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from matt gaetz is if rosendale is the one who votes mccarthy. >> yeah, that sound about right. and i wouldn't be surprised if they have something planned out. i don't know that, but i think -- if mccarthy wins this, he certainly has worked hard to get it. what i'm going to be interested in, i can say as a guy just out of a job if i'm sitting there and still voting for mccarthy i would be very concerned about the rules package because what has he given up? and i think that's where -- i don't know. i know representative gonzalez said he's voting no. i don't feel there's a broader movement on that, but i'd certainly be considering tanking the rules package at that point, and then you'd be in another standoff here. i don't think that's going to happen, i don't know. but that's what i'd be thinking and it might be interesting to watch the mind-set of where this goes. >> standby, congressman. i want to bring in manu raju on capitol hill who has new reporting. >> yeah, matt gaetz actually

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it's a very sad moment for america. >> kevin mccarthy owns part of that. >> people are taking it seriously. i think some of these folks like rosendale, if you give somebody your word, you should stand behind it, and that's what kevin mccarthy expected tonight. and we'll find out who it was. and not just about attacking kevin mccarthy at this point. the house is in chaos. >> of course it is. >> what happens at this very moment? >> this thing is losing right now. in 11 votes, there's 11 people tend to cast. it's down by six, there's three minutes left in this vote. four republicans have voted no. i mean, we don't know what's going to -- by the way, human dignity for a minute. let me just say a word for the people who came back. wesley hunt came back. >> his baby is in the nicu. >> ken buck had a medical

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delay, about 60 names, 50, names and we will get to gates, and if gates casts that same present vote, that will be enough for kevin mccarthy. >> let's bring in ali vitali in. as we were watching this stuff in, we were doing a reporting, and we saw the scene, that gaetz was sitting for a long time. then he got up and he was walking towards the front of the chamber with eli crane. and you have been telling us all night, keep an eye on eli crane, or at least the mccarthy people want to keep an eye on him, he's one of the two names that they are focused on. he's perhaps not as hard-line and things as the other people consistently voting against mccarthy. what do you know about that? >> well clearly, the mccarthy team was talking to gates, they were talking a rosendale, they were talking to everybody and their plan as we were talking about, when they thought they had this buy low and forwards voting, yes and matt gates being their backup plan, so to speak, then they were back to the drawing board but what we're watching play out here

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where he has to negotiate with the other chamber, the senatet or the democrats. i mean, it's going to be like this but so much worse every single time anything of substance comes before the house of representatives. and, yeah, mccarthy had to learn that, he did learn that. >> they thought they had a deal. they trusted people who can't be trusted. >> took the words right out of my mouth. >> the irony where they claim they can't trust kevin mccarthy. >> mccarthy people thought they had this figured out. >> and who did they think was going to vote -- they're gaveling back in so let's listen in. but i would love to know did they give names of who they thought were going to vote? >> some of them believed rosendale would go along with the present. >> would vote present. if he didn't he gave an angry andy biggs yell, i think. >> the tellers agree in their tallies that the total number of votes cast is 432 of which the

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an opportunity to change his vote before they officially close this vote, but matt gaetz wants to adjourn to monday. the leadership doesn't want to do that. they want to finish this up right now and kevin mccarthy on the brink of the speakership all in the hands of matt gaetz who is not willing to give it to him right now, jake. >> i should also note that i don't see any action going on in terms of the floor of individuals who voted for other candidates, any one of them voting present would also deliver the victory, and that's andy biggs, elie crane, bob good or matt rosendale. >> outside the chamber have just reported they were talking outside the house doors and they walked back onto the floor. >> those four? >> the three of them, rosendale, good, and biggs. this was according to our producer nicky robertson who's standing out the house chamber right now. >> if one of those four who voted for someone else changes their vote just to present then

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many are going back to tom emirs office. that's really the hullabaloo negotiations have been happening on capitol hill. but mccarthy remains in the chamber. talking to jim jordan, one of the key people who have been with him -- i remember i talk to jim jordan late last night as they were leaving negotiations. i, said what's your best-case scenario -- he said, kevin mccarthy's elected speaker. i said with the realistic scenario? he said, i guess we'll find out. i guess we are. >> ali, let's say they keep things going today. what will that look like? what will it be? matt gaetz got what he. wanted the grand finale, he gave the switcheroo. what's gonna happen between now in the morning? >> my question is why they're spending so much time with matt gaetz when there are other people here, again, i go back to rosendale. i know velshi and i talked a little bit about the home state politics about this. but at the same, time you've got to wonder why they're spending so much time on gates.

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patted him on the shoulder i think after that happened, if it speaks to what we were talking about earlier, what rosendale was going to do. rosendale also got a call from former president trump earlier today urging him to vote for mccarthy, did not work. >> every description i've heard of those calls, though, i've heard trump describe as it being cursory or half heart. >> that's definitely what i heard earlier this week. i don't know about the calls today. but it does speak to what you're saying, jake, how the split and what's been created here and how it's kind of out of control. and -- >> it's going to be like this for every successive vote that kevin mccarthy has to get on the floor. >> kevin mccarthy is saying earlier they learned how to govern today and hours later -- >> i don't think mccarthy really understood what this was going to be like until this moment. and not only that he's only negotiating with himself at this point. he's not even in a position

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changed the vote. it may be gaetz, it could be one of the others. >> so here's interesting -- our team has just flagged this. this is tweet from a bloomberg photographer who managed to snap marjorie taylor greene trying to get rosendale on the phone, someone we're watching, on the phone with d.t. >> right before mccarthy ran up he was talking to matt gaetz, then he ran up and had a bunch of his deputies come with him and a whole bunch of mccarthy supporters came up and that's when he turned around and said we have enough, meaning we have enough to keep the house in session, and then he pulled another one of his allies apart and he said one more time. >> so i don't know if congressman hines is still here. thank you for bearing with us. i assume you are, because it doesn't look like you're going anywhere anytime soon.

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gaetz, lauren boebert, andy biggs, and others. there is a group of individuals including former white house chief of staff mark meadows, including trump's former budget director, including former republican senator jim -- including ginni thomas, the wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas. there are a number of individuals plugged into maga world even if they are not part of trump's inner circle per se at least right now who want matt gaetz and andy biggs and crane and good and rosendale, want them and will reward them for what they're doing right now. we don't see it right now, and it's certainly not present among the house republican conference, but there will be applause for them at cpac or whatever. >> and rosendale went up and

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life to winning the speakership of the house of representatives. but he needed either one more yea vote or one more present vote. and the two people voting present congress people boebert and gaetz, and the four people voting against him for candidate congress people biggs and good and rosendale would not play ball. so right now the lieutenant for mccarthy, congressman patrick mchenry of north carolina, who's done so much to wrangle votes for mccarthy has made a motion to adjourn congress until monday at noon eastern. and we are seeing if that happens. it seems likely that it will given the fact matt gaetz was asking for adjournment until monday and the mccarthy people were also asking for adjournment until monday. >> i would like to first give you my apologies --

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