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chest, and it's hunting season and the police are out to get you. >> hurley contends even innocent people will make mistakes when talking to police. >> they're trying to trick you and trap you. no matter how innocent you are, you're a human being, you're frail and you can make mistakes. all it takes is one trip over the wrong log. you find yourself on the wrong end of an indictment. >> rudy and charlie don't have to talk. the constitution's fifth amendment gives them that right. no person shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself. >> first of all, i believe there's no such thing as the perfect crime. >> john dematto is the attorney for anna's sister, angel. >> as a former prosecutor, i can tell you your legal training, your experience as a prosecutor and your prosecutorial instincts tell you that a crime was committed and it's very likely that this person committed the crime. however, the same experience,
>> she would have never left her dog. she would have never left her money. she would have called. >> according to friends, anna was trying to break away from charlie at the time of her disappearance. she was finally getting her life together, they said. she had just started a new job as a customer service representative and was looking for a new apartment. >> from my estimation, she was really trying to break up with him, but he kept luring her back. >> anna met charlie at grant city cars in 1994, where she worked as a driver and he as a mechanic. he told anna he had a son but said he was estranged from his wife. he was different from her bohemian boyfriends. >> she saw stability in him because from the outside he was a regular guy and seemed stable. >> this was san francisco. >> anna capalutti was anna's cousin and next door neighbor. >> the relationship was weird.
want from rudy. she had read in a baby book for single mothers that she should get a legal document signed by the father stating that he would never sue for custody. kristine told kathy she had tried numerous times to contact rudy by paging him. finally one day his new wife rochelle responded. >> rochelle called kristine several more times and actually talked. they had like discussions. finally rochelle said, i know you're pregnant. >> kathy said kristine admitted she was but told rochelle if she wanted to know more, speak to rudy. kristine told friends she had no intention of breaking up his marriage. >> rochelle said i'm leaving him. i'm throwing him out of the house. i can't believe he did this. she was irate. and called kristine one last time and said i threw rudy out. you can have him. >> kathy now believes this was the beginning of a set-up for murder. the first step to gaining back kristine's trust and more. >> at this point, he said he was homeless. he had lived with his cousin for
place which is right behind us over here. that's a cousin of rudy's and owns a body shop in queens. they suspect he might have been involved. >> when we were doing our investigation in the beginning, we found out that tim was a close cousin of rudy and could help him under these conditions. >> there's a drive-in place so rudy could have driven his car inside the garage. that's why no one saw kristine with him, maybe. >> they also discovered that several weeks after kristine disappeared, a four-inch cement slab floor was poured inside the garage. >> there's a possibility she may be buried underneath the garage. i mean, it's not definite, but there's a strong possibility. >> the pressure is really on him, police have been going to see him, he gets really nervous, he may start thinking that he might get in trouble instead of rudy. and he might decide he wants to talk. >> he did not respond to our request for an interview. gil hopes by investigating those around rudy someone will come forward.
she was scared at that point that he poisoned her. >> rudy went to the kitchen and washed kristine's glass. her roommates claim he never washed the dishes before. >> i know he worked at an adhesive plant and he was a biology major and he taught lab at baruch college. so he knows his chemicals. >> she said, will you take me to the emergency room? and he said no, you'll be fine. don't worry about it. >> kathy's husband came and took kristine to the hospital. fortunately she and the baby were fine. two weeks later on october 24th, rudy came back to pick up kristine. she told friends and family she was going to help him clean his new apartment. kristine's roommate said he was acting suspiciously. >> he came upstairs and proceeded to pace. he didn't want to eat. he didn't want to talk. he was just very nervous, like agitated.
>> but it was a hollow victory for the culberson family. >> yes, we did convict the man who took my daughter's life, but yet we still didn't have what we wanted most and that was carrie. >> even though this case in ohio is providing kathy and angel some hope that rudy and charlie might one day be brought to trial, there's no justice that will compensate their loss. >> if i had to choose kristine's body or rudy in jail, i'd much rather find kristine and take care of her. >> as far as i'm concerned he won. he robbed my sister of her life. she was 34 years old. she had her whole life ahead of her. >> neither charlie nor rudy has been charged with any crime in connection with the disappearance of anna or kristine. we tried repeatedly to contact both men as well as their lawyers or others who might speak on their behalf.
>> rudy has since stopped talking. he did, however, speak to police briefly ten days after kristine's disappearance. he has not been charged with any crime. >> a lot of the questions at the time that he was interviewed weren't answered because his attorney was present and advised him not to answer certain questions. >> where is kristine? where is kristine? >> kathy, however, would not let rudy's silence deter her. >> i wanted him to keep knowing that she was loved, that she is not forgotten, and he's just not going to get away with it. >> you can't get away with murder. >> when we come back -- >> i called the police because it's been a couple days. and they tell me, oh, she's off in atlantic city somewhere. she would never have left her dog. she would never have left her money. she would have called.
she had gotten pregnant. >> he was desperate. his wife knows. she could be pushing him to get something done quick. so who are we going to ask? rudy is very controlling, you know. he had to know exactly what happened. >> they systematically met people close to him. >> we found out a lot, just about his family. who he hung out with. who he would trust, who he was around. >> in building their case, they would have to disprove rudy's version of events the day kristine disappeared. he told police he took kristine to queens mall and dropped her off at a health food store near her house. he claims that was the last he saw of her. >> i did a canvass of almost every store, going up and down to see if they saw kristine, see if they saw anything on that day. and nobody saw anything on that day. >> the next step was to figure out where he might have taken her. since october of 1998, they've searched abandoned buildings and spoken to hundreds of people. >> here's what we're going to do. we're going to go to cam rogers'
>> both families have taken out large billboards in their neighborhoods. >> he has to pass it every day. so that's a little reminder. that's a little reminder. mr. chorman, you know, everybody is waiting and watching, and we're not going to forget anna. i'm not going to let my sister die in vain. >> you tell the client from the very beginning, you are going to become hannibal lecter or worse, expect that. >> hurley tells clients to expect to be legally stalked. but counsels them never to sue because once in the courtroom, they'll be faced with the questions they were trying to avoid. >> the defendant in that matter is going to say we are not maliciously trying to harm anybody. we are using our first amendment rights to point out something that we believe in. the moment that you have that issue, then they will be entitled to ask rudy, rudy, i think you killed ms. kupka.
said kristine never came back. i said oh, my god, he killed her. >> those who knew kristine say she would never run off as police had suggested. friends say 28-year-old kristine kupka had everything to live for. with a 3.97 grade point average, she was two months from graduating from baruch college and had plans to go to law school. she had a steady job at a new york city restaurant, and she was having a baby. >> get over here. you were a good dog. you didn't bark. >> kristine's mother, elaine bodell. >> she was ready to have a baby. her older sisters had babies of their own. she wanted a baby. >> kristine had become involved with rudy persaud, the only son of guyanese parents. he was her chemistry lab instructor at baruch. some who knew rudy said he's charismatic but controlling. >> they started seeing each