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would an economic downturn cause president trump's base to abandon him? survey says. 7,559 votes cast, the noes, 61%, no, it would not. i don't agree with that. i don't agree with it for the following -- it depends who his opponent would be, for sure, but on the issue of would this be the exception to the fifth avenue rule, you know, the one thing that president trump would be held accountable for? i think he would be held accountable for it. i tell you why, the blame game wouldn't work. if the economy tumbles he couldn't lay it off on obama, he couldn't lay it off on hillary or page or the dossier or christopher steele or all the usual suspects. he could try and pass the buck to the federal reserve, but i just don't think so. i think it will all be about him. he's taken full credit for the economy, great, but if it should turn -- and by the way, i hope it doesn't -- i think he'll be
his wife, homemaker marie, had lost five children, attributed to various conditions. ranging from bronchopneumonia to congestive heart failure. yet the couple, apparently desperate to start a family, had another child. letitia. the result was the same. the child died. but this time, there was no question about what happened. >> they knew that it was going to be a stillbirth. mrs. noe described the situation where the doctors knew that the cord was wrapped around the baby's neck, the baby was dead and they believed that medically she should carey it to term. >> after the stillbirth, three years passed before mary lee, the noes' seventh baby, was born in 1962. marie reported having many problems with mary lee and would call her doctor four or five times a day, complaining that the baby was crying. >> the baby wouldn't eat for her. and he considered this to be really off the scale. he just considered her to be a highly nervous, excitable woman.
>> in fact the noes had insured some of their other children. an investigator for the medical examiner's office found that at least six of marie and arthur noes' babies had been insured. some for as little as $100. and some for up to $1,000. but soon the noes had no need to adopt. approximately nine months into the process, marie announced she was withdrawing her adoption application. because she was pregnant. the impending birth put the philadelphia medical community on alert, determined to save this next child at all costs. >> when mrs. noe announced she was pregnant, dr. spellman, the medical examiner, was quite concerned. he called what was the beginnings of sort of the child and youth services agency and asked them to monitor the pregnancy. the medical examiner's office was paying rather close attention to this. and if you think about this, medical examiners investigate deaths. they're not usually following
moms who are about to give birth. >> the noes' tenth child, arthur jr., their second son to be given that name, was born in july of 1967. 18 years after marie noe gave birth to her first child. like catherine before him, arthur was kept in the hospital for observation. doctors and nurses were also observing the noes' behavior during this time and they noted how little the couple visited their newborn baby. >> one nurse said that they came twice during the three months the baby was there. >> without solid evidence against the noes, the authorities couldn't keep little arty in the hospital any longer. three months after he went home, marie noe reported finding her tenth child face-up, gasping for breath. and turning blue. arthur jr. died january 2, 1968. he was just 5 months old.
up with was dr. depena and dr. halbert fillinger who had recently joined the medical examiner's staff as an assistant medical examiner, got a grant. the grant was that they could offer the noes free medical care in order to allow them to monitor mrs. noe's pregnancy and her childbirth and the child's life after the child was born. >> but the noes rejected the offer. >> the noes were told by their doctor, and they told this to me, that they shouldn't get involved with this study because these big highfalutin doctors in the medical examiner's office were going to take their baby away from them. >> in 1963, theresa, the eighth child was born. she died after only six hours from a blood abnormality. dr. salvatore cuciatta, who delivered theresa, said he also recommended marie noe get additional care and psychiatric treatment beyond what she was getting from her primary care physician, dr. gangemi. but this offer was also rejected.
it was considered an odd case. >> constance was the first noe baby the doctor performed an autopsy on. the doctor said she found no apparent cause of death. but instead of ruling it crib death, or sids, she said the cause was undetermined. >> no cause of death is apparent in the conduct of the autopsy. it was just nothing. which, of course, is quite unusual. >> the first person i called was molly depena. she is a very famous, used to be a very famous pediatric pathologist. she had done a number of the original autopsies when she lived in philadelphia in the '50s and '60s and she'd also been the first person to ever let out there had been suspicions about the noes way back when. she recalled the medical examiner at the time. dr. joseph spellman, who is dead, that he believed the noes had been responsible for their children's deaths. >> the doctor says the diagnosis of crib death just wasn't possible in several children from the same family.
>> we released the article to them the minute that it was available. and what i was told was that they took the article, they highlighted it, the parts that they needed for information, and they went and took the noes in for questioning. we weren't told about any of this. it was all happening in secret. >> on the evening of march 25th, 1998, arthur and marie noe were taken to philadelphia police headquarters, separated and questioned. this was the first time, according to police records, the pair was questioned outside their own home. and the first time they were questioned separately. >> they spoke to mr. noe for a short period of time and spoke to mrs. noe for a long period of time. mr. noe was sitting in the area watching tv, not understanding why his wife, they were taking so long with his wife. >> two detectives questioned marie noe for 11 hours. approximately a week before they brought the noes in for questioning, police got some new
led by doctors hal fillinger and molly depena, the medical examiner's office launched an investigation. interviewing neighbors, family members and as many doctors as they could find. and what they discovered was disturbing. >> they went to talk to the noes' doctor, dr. gangemi. a physician the noes loved. they had no idea what he was telling the medical examiner in his investigation was of the extreme suspicion of the noes. he described her as being possibly schizophrenic, possibly psychotic. and he really had grave questions about her mental capacities. >> investigators with the medical examiner's office also learned that marie noe claimed to have been raped, at least twice. once when she was pregnant with her first child, and a second time, exactly nine months before the birth of her fourth child. >> she was found by her husband, tied up in his neckties in their closet and claiming that somebody had come, that jumped out of the closet, surprised
>> it was a pattern in those days that the family doctor would refer their maternity cases to the specialists, including psychiatric treatment. >> but dr. gangemi would later come to regret his decision not to refer marie for psychiatric treatment. >> ironically, the doctor would later privately be coming to the medical examiner's office saying i want you to help me do something about these people. and i don't know what to do. >> it was during this period that "life" magazine wrote an article about the noes and their terrible string of tragedies. the magazine used a pseudonym for the couple. it was also around this time that president kennedy and first lady jackie kennedy lost a newborn baby. not to crib death. but it brought the issue of infant death to the forefront. all of this fueled an atmosphere of sympathy that now surrounded the noes and caused investigators to think harder about their growing suspicions of foul play.
possible. led by doctors hal fillinger and molly depena, the medical examiner's office launched an investigation. interviewing neighbors, family members and as many doctors as they could find. and what they discovered was disturbing. >> they went to talk to the noes' doctor, dr. gangemi. a physician the noes loved. they had no idea what he was telling the medical examiner in his investigation was of the extreme suspicion of the noes. he described her as being possibly schizophrenic, possibly psychotic. and he really had grave questions about her mental capacities. >> investigators with the medical examiner's office also learned that marie noe claimed to have been raped, at least twice. once when she was pregnant with her first child, and a second time, exactly nine months before the birth of her fourth child. >> she was found by her husband, tied up in his neckties in their closet and claiming that somebody had come, that jumped out of the closet, surprised