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that with than chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. his book "keep sharp build a better brain at any age" just came out. doctor, thank you for being here, what are your takeaways from a busy week of data? >> well, first of all, with regard to the studies around vaccination and boosters, i think this is important. there's two things that really jumped out at me. i can show you the data, in terms of the likelihood of someone developing a breakthrough infection if vaccinated versus vaccinated and boosted. what they found was the biggest difference between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. you did get a benefit, not an insignificant one from being boosted as well. there's two stories here. as you point out, michael, less than half the people who qualify have actually gotten them. but a larger part of the country is still far and awade the unvaccinated.

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Cuomo Prime Time-20210804-01:20:00

not be blamed. they should honestly be blaming themselves because it is the unvaccinated that is overwhelmingly passing this virus around. >> another reason why i wouldn't be a good politician. i've rarely seen mandates work, especially in situations like this where you couldn't really enforce it. but the vaccinated need to be respected by power and they do want mandates for the unvaccinated. how so? >> look, again, the vaccinated are sick and tired of the unvaccinated not being vaccinated. so the vaccinated adults say the unvaccinated should get vaxed in order to go to college. 77% go to kindergarten to 12 school. or go to work, 6%. this is -- 68%. this is a story across the board. the vaccinated want the unvaccinated to get vaccinated, because if the unvaccinated do decide to get a shot, this

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Cuomo Prime Time-20210804-01:13:00

into battle without bulletproof vests, to see that we're not letting them utilize the tools that we know work to help stop this pandemic. thank you for having me on. >> thank you for putting that message out there unprompted. surgeon general, thank you. >> thank you. ahead we have new numbers on who the vaccinated blame for this ongoing pandemic versus the unvaccinated. and we have new data on whether mandates would actually work. there is some interesting findings. "the wizard of odds," next. oh um, doug can we talk about something other than work, it's the weekend. yeah, yeah. [ squawk ] hot dog or... chicken? [ squawk ] only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ i know a thing or two about cars. and, sometimes, buying them can

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Cuomo Prime Time-20210804-05:22:00

effect of what was intended. >> look, it's an old number. it would be interesting to see what there is now. two variables. one, you have the delta variant so people have a better reason than just feeling pressure to get vaccinated and we would see them get vaccinated. so you have a small pool that are more resistant to getting the vaccine if they're going to stay unvaccinated even with this variant out there. that may skew the numbers. harry, thank you as always. >> all i'll say in the end is there is still 15% who definitely say they won't get vaccinated, but that number has shrunk from 20%, so that's good news. and see and we're still going to get to herd immunity, so that number is not the problem, per se. the governor says he's tired of everyone's judgment.

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Cuomo Prime Time-20210804-01:11:00

within your workplace, within your child's school you have appropriate levels of protection so you can prevent spread from turning into an outbreak. so think about what you can do and what those around you can do to protect yourselves. that's how we stop this pandemic. >> kids, parents, there is confusion. some of it is being, once again, politicized and weaponized. they want you to mask right in front of your kids. i don't know why that would be a dirty thing to do, by the way. what is your guidance in terms of how to deal with kids? cities are going to have to figure this out. as i said at the top of the show, parents can't do anything about their kids not being of age to get vaccinated, and many parents are going to be hesitant to get a kid vaccinated when it's not fda approved, but localities will have to figure out what their plan is for kids. but for parents who are confused about what kind of masking to do themselves and their kids have guidance. >> absolutely. i think, number one, if you are unvaccinated, then you absolutely need to be wearing a

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Cuomo Prime Time-20210804-05:20:00

it's what the science tells us. >> another reason why i wouldn't be a good politician. i've rarely seen mandates work, the vaccinated need to be respected by power. they're the majority. especially in situations like this where you couldn't really enforce it. but the vaccinated need to be respected by power and they do want mandates for the unvaccinated. how so? >> look, again, the vaccinated are sick and tired of the unvaccinated not being vaccinated. so the vaccinated adults say the unvaccinated should get vaxed in order to go to college. 77% go to kindergarten to 12 school. or go to work, 6%. -- 68%. this is a story across the board. the vaccinated want the unvaccinated to get vaccinated, because if the unvaccinated do decide to get a shot, this variant would be a lot less. >> but it doesn't mean the mandate is the best way to approve it. i get the feeling.

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Cuomo Prime Time-20210804-01:22:00

all. now i'm going deeper in my corner and there is no way in heck i'm getting vaccinated. i think we need to be careful in our messaging and how we put this across if, in fact, we do want vaccine mandates, otherwise it could have the exact opposite effect of what was intended. >> look, it's an old number. it would be interesting to see what there is now. one, you have the delta variant so people have a better reason than just feeling pressure to get vaccinated and we would see them get vaccinated. so you have a small pool that are more resistant to getting the vaccine if they're going to stay unvaccinated even with this variant out there. harry, thank you as always. >> all i'll say in the end is there is still 15% who definitely say they won't get vaccinated, but that number has shrunk from 20%, so that's good news. and see and we're still going to get to herd immunity, so that

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Cuomo Prime Time-20210804-01:18:00

now, three months ago only 3% of canadians were vaccinated. but once they got their hands on those doses, they lined up for the shot. now they have more fully vaccinated than we do. they're at nearly 60%. what's the difference? division. the division is making us sick. and that divide is not getting better. the vaccinated are being held hostage by the unvaccinated. and that's going to make trouble. let's bring in the wizards of odds. the blame game. what do we know about it? >> here's what we know about it, the vaccinated are starting to get pretty perturbed. look at this. who do the vaccinated blame for the rising covid cases? number 1. 79% say the unvaccinated. 36% say donald trump. i think there is a little partisanship going on there, and that's especially true when you

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Cuomo Prime Time-20210804-05:11:00

and what those around you can do to protect yourselves. that's how we stop this pandemic. >> kids, parents, there is confusion. some of it is being, once again, politicized and weaponized. they want you to mask right in front of your kids. i don't know why that would be a dirty thing to do, by the way. what is your guidance in terms of how to deal with kids? cities are going to have to figure this out. as i said at the top of the show, parents can't do anything about their kids not being of age to get vaccinated, and many parents are going to be hesitant to get a kid vaccinated when it's not fda approved, but localities will have to figure out what their plan is for kids. but for parents who are confused about what kind of masking to do themselves and their kids have guidance. >> absolutely. i think, number one, if you are unvaccinated, then you absolutely need to be wearing a mask when you're around people outside your household. your child should be wearing a mask if they're unvaccinated when they're out in public regardless.

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Cuomo Prime Time-20210804-05:21:00

i'll tell you who will like that slide, president biden, because it kind of gives him a pass. go to college? that's up to colleges, not the federal government. go to work? that's going to be federal employers. 2 -- k. through 12 that's localities. now the question of the day. does it work? social pressure, mandates. >> maybe. but there is the chance that there could be a backlash. so this is a poll from a couple months ago, and it basically said do the unvaccinated seem unfairly pressured to get vaccinated? a lot of them do, 41%. the majority don't feel that way, but 41% is an awfully large percentage, and it gives you the idea that although you may get some of the unvaccinated vaccinated through these mandates, there will be a good portion of them saying, wait a minute, i don't like this at all. now i'm going deeper in my corner and there is no way in heck i'm getting vaccinated. i think we need to be careful in our messaging and how we put this across if, in fact, we do want vaccine mandates, otherwise it could have the exact opposite

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