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senate, i've got bill barr at the justice department, and as long as i've got those things, i can act basically with impunity. >> i think, though, what the president has done, what he's finally been caught doing, because we don't know that he hasn't been doing this all along, is to really ensnare his top human shields in this. i mean, the whistle-blower names bill barr and rudy as the president's accomplices in this wrongdoing. we know from jeanne's reporting that mike pompeo was on the call, so mike pompeo either thought there was nothing wrong with eight requests to investigate hunter biden, or he'd seen something worse and i'm not sure -- i think both make him an even more important witness to be responsive to subpoenas. >> it's interesting, the thug culture. if you probably -- saw a tape of bill barr 10, 15 years ago, saw a tape of mike pompeo 10, 15 years ago, different. it's amazing that transformation that happens in trump's orbit, and to your point, to your point earlier, i do not think the invincibility translates down.
myself, what should snoop have been standing behind? right? he is an l.a. crip. how many bodies did he put in that morgue, right? how many governors in states that don't allow citizens to have firearms. how many of those guys have been people people in morgues. what about the people who are over detroit, the mayors. the mayor of baltimore. the mayor of cincinnati. you know, daily people are killed. i would defy. abby: just stand over no dead bodies? what happened to respect in this country? regardless if you disagree with the political opinion. disgusting. >> the thing that gets me is i bet you snoop can't name the last person in the home town where he lives who was killed by a gang member, something that he espouses to, thug culture. he can't name a single person that was killed. but he will stand before the president as if donald trump is the person doing drive byes and killing people in black neighborhoods. steve: kevin jackson is going to be hosting the program this weekend along with abby and. abby: pete. this is a warm up for you kevin. we're excited to have you. >> glad to be here.
emboldened the police aren't doing anything and the thug culture comes out, starts looting, rioting destroying people injuring people killing people. we had a lot of deaths as a result of that. >> from seeing your perspective both from being a police officer and understanding the rights of peaceful protests which i'm hearing you saying that's not what we're looking at here. when you have mayor -- i'd love to get your insight on this -- saying there is space to destroy. we're going to allow space to destroy. how negligent was that? >> if that's what she said they played her quote and she said something we allowed a space to destroy. i don't know if she was saying like we inadvertently allowed -- >> she said we also gave those who wish to destroy space to do that as well. >> if i interpret that that she intentionally gave space to destroy, no lessons have been learned in the last 35 years. that's the mistake we learned long ago. let them kind of burn the
listening to rap music. the fact that this perpetuation of young black men, because you listen to rap music? rap music is a reflection of our society. what i liked about president obama today, he didn't blame thug culture for our problems. he looked at the systemic problems. >> but the president did say that they had negative reinforcements and take that for what it is. >> the thug culture did not create low third grade reading levels, or kids who can't have -- >> does it help those people? >> it's a reflection. the mirror doesn't help anything. >> bernie shaw? >> it's a reflection of culture. o'reilly is uncomfortable with this culture, that's understandable. he did not come from this culture. that culture has some validities, if you will. i'm thinking about before my generation, people condemned
vehicle. but this will not be the last time a jury will consider this case in court. after last week's verdict was announced, florida state attorney angela corey vowed to dunn again on the outstanding charge of murder in the first degree. joining me are marcus mabry, "the new york times" editor of "the new york times" lead blog, seema eyre, a former prosecutor for the bronx d.a. office, khalil mohammad, and igor volsky, managing editor of thinkprogress.org. seema, i have to come to you, and ask, the dunn jailhouse letters, the one that i just read in the setup, let me read a little bit from another one in which dunn talks about thug culture. he says, i'm really not prejudiced against race, but i have no use for certain cultures. this gangster rap ghetto-talking thug culture that certain segments of society flock to is intolerable. now, the prosecutor, john guy,
people are asking if corey mishandled the case. and some are also asking why letters that dunn wrote from jail weren't talked about in court. in one letter he wrote, quote, i'm not really prejudiced against race, but i have no use for certain cultures. this gangster rap, ghetto-talking thug culture that certain segments of society flock to is intolerable. dunn also wrote, quote, i just got off the phone with you, and we were talking about how racist the blacks are up here. the more time i am exposed to these people, the more prejudiced against them i become. these comments are explosive. they generated a lot of passionate debate. but the jurors never got to see those letters. joining me now, a former u.s. attorney kendall coffey and criminal defense attorney john buroughs.
thug culture that certain segments of society flock to is intolerable. now, you have talked about that there was a way that these prosecutors could have responsibly and this judge responsibly could have introduced the concept of racial bias into the conversation in a way that could have given the jurors more of an opportunity to say, you know, maybe we need to see this from a different per spect pif. >> sure. and the most obvious would have been in response to the defense witnesses who said, michael dunn is gentle and peaceful. that's what the jurors heard over and over again from a series of witnesses. at that point, the prosecutor should have leapt to their feet on cross examination, waved the letters around. are you aware he said, for example, the more i get to know those people, referring to african-americans, the more prejudiced i am? the prosecutor should at least have attempted to call his neighbors, who are on videos online on globalgrind.com, saying that he use the "n" word over and over again and his white neighbor from georgia told
he told the police in the interview, i have everything good to live for. this is the last thing i ever wanted to happen. his mind set was the music. there are a dozen of letters that were not introduced. my client repeatedly said this is not brak and white. this -- black and white. this is a subculture of young kids who listen to very violent music, watch very violent movies and they try to emulate what they see. >> it southbounded like he was -- sound like he was blaming thug culture and he thinks more people should act against them. that's what it sounded like. >> no and i understand that. again, it was one letter out of dozens. what he's conveyed to me personally is if you're going to go around and grab a weapon, whether it's a firearm, a stick, a screw driver, and you're going to threaten another man or
there are also letters that mr. dunn wrote to his family from jail where he talked more about thug culture and thug music and how people had already made up their mind about him, because he was a white man. the teenager killed was a black kid. >> carol, that's right. i think the letters that mr. dunn wrote from jail might come in on the rebuttal case. if dunn takes the stand and says, i was in reasonable fear for my life. the prosecution is going to want to take the position that this was a racially motivated killing. the fact that dunn's lawyer was trying to get in this expert witness on acute stress syndrome, i think, might have been an angle to not have dunn testify. if the expert would have been able to come in and testify, what dunn was experiencing, the trauma he was experiencing, to try to show he was in reasonable
cultures. this gangster rap, ghetto talking thug culture that certain segments of society flock to is intolerable. to his daughter he says, this may sound a bit radical, but if more people would arm themselves and kill these "expletive" idiots when they're threatening you, eventually they may take the hint and change their behavior. i'm sure we're all going to be accused of race baiting, but those comments go to a certain bias that this person had when he potentially saw those four young men, heard that music. it sounds to me like that triggered something for him. >> well, i think also, karen, unlike the zimmerman case where we sort of talked a lot about race and wasn't really sure if he profiled him or he was black or whatever. here we have specific evidence of this man making very, very racist comments. the one thing i would say about what's happening in america right now and michael dunn's fear of the young black male is