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Morning Joe

>> right. >> again, as we've been saying for some time, that spells doom for republicans next fall. >> joe, i would argue, though, that biden needs those republicans. he needs a slight sliver. >> yeah. >> 5% to 6% of those never trumpers, he needs them to propel to victory. it'll come down to a hundred thousand votes in pennsylvania and wisconsin the end of the day. the way jon meacham is framing the way the narrative should be, are you going to vote for an insurrectionist? are you anti-constitution? it's the framing democrats should adopt. right now, i see republicans who are creating narratives. they're creating narratives about a biden crime family, narratives about a stolen election. they're creating narratives that just aren't being combatted with the same strength because

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CNN Primetime

>> is there room for a third party candidate in 2024? after, all polls have consistently shown most americans do not want a donald trump versus joe biden rematch. now, a nonprofit political group known as no label says it is determined to give voters potentially another option, especially if the country is in store for that 2020 rematch. the democrats and anti trumpers say that a third party could just end up playing spoiler in all of this by siphoning votes from president biden in swing states and, therefore, handing the election to donald trump. joining us now is a longtime associate of no labels, former michigan republican congressman, fred upton. i know you told me not to call you congressman. let's talk about this group, no labels. as the wall street journal is, riding its latest report says, it's called no labels, many political strategist have their own label, spoiler.

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The Beat With Ari Melber

from the deep state. and graham has just speaking to himself publicly to such a degree that even donald trump supporters can't abide by him anymore. >> i think, david jolly, you may be the one who told me that you would put these folks into three camps, right? you have the loyalists. you have the people who are sort of putting their heads in the sand and they are like hopeful that all of this just passed. and then, you have that never trumpers. and i wonder, if you are someone, if you are an elected republican who has been loyal to donald trump. and you watch what went down for lindsey graham this weekend in district, what is the lesson to you? that the bar on loyalty is continuing to shift, or that it is impossible to clear that donald trump himself, even when you are fully loyal to him, can't give a full-throated endorsement, where he says, no, no, no, no, no, we don't boo this guy.

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Morning Joe

country is a threat to all of us. i think those supporting him to go back to the white house ought to consider the mentaling of the man. >> you listen to the explanations he gives in interviews about what he was doing when it was evident by listening that he was showing these documents, and you understand that he knows he's cornered. if people want to go to jail for a decade, susie wiles, if she wants to lie, she can go to jail. the people who talked, and we've said this from the beginning, whether it's jack smith or whether it's the january 6th committee, they're all trumpers. they're all people that are around him. they're all people that have worked for him. if he lies, he will lie, and his

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The Ingraham Angle

infused the constitution, the founding of our nation came from that. most of the leaders and the founders of the nation, we're all christians. >> so you still have hope for america, right? >> oh, my goodness. i have so much, so much hope for america. >> the way we take back america is by taking back that god-given right and that faith in god that our country is founded where everybody, no matter who you are, has the opportunity to succeed, be a blessing to their family, be a blessing to their community and move this country forward. >> we are finally at a point where we can no longer put our head in the stand and pretend like the things that are happening right outside of our doors aren't occurring anymore. we didn't start the culture war but i think we can and we will win it. >> laura: you know who they are the former republicans dining out on being former republicans who want you to think into the emerging republican party isn't just destroying conservatism but it's actually destroying religion itself. >> trumpers have not only taken over and twisted and distorted

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The Ingraham Angle

itself. trumpers have not only taken tvr and twisted and distorted the republican partyty, they'vev done it to conservatism and they've done it perso to evangelicalism. that's been the most personally pae to see notto mna just the damage to the country, but to the damage to the faith,s which i think is almost incalculable. >> joining us now is ralph reed, founder and chairman of the faith and coalition. ralph, i'v>>e heard a of attacks on the populous, on the and the the kind of anti-establishment part of the gop. i like to call the gi m the reap republicans. yeah, right. but now destroying religion >>selfublicans . yeah. you know, the only thing that these christians guilty of onl committing is citizenship. that's the only crimcrime they'e committed. i mean, the reality is law that throughout american history, citizens have engaged in the civic process. t they've lobbied on behalf of legislation that reflected vathey'v. es

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Morning Joe Weekend

every american did. and people died. millions of people died. that's one thing, the second thing, i defeated i.s.i.s.. i've never heard a president, i've never heard a commander-in-chief say something so stupid in all of my life. no, the men and women in uniform, that donald trump and trumpers regularly attack, men and women in uniform who went over there to risk their lives, they defeated i.s.i.s.. under barack obama's leadership, under donald trump's leadership. so again, that whole i-defeated -- it's grotesque. >> it really is. >> it's on american. and it explains why donald trump would think that it was his army. like toy soldiers he could play with. they were his. and why he thinks nuclear secrets were also his. my military, no donald, not your military. it's america's military. you didn't do anything.

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Morning Joe

journal"s with republicans saying, they dealt with this. even durham said when he was doing his investigation, garland never got involved. this great irony of talking about a biden doj, people say, if only the doj was as aggressive as republicans think it is. in fact, it is the opposite. as you say -- >> and -- yeah, you bring up two great points. durham, who made a total fool of himself yesterday, and then the prosecutor in delaware, both of them were holdovers. they're both trumpers. >> yup. >> biden, garland stayed away from them, let them do their job. tim scott is out there promising, "elect me, i will weaponize the donald trump." donald trump says, "elect me, i'll weaponize the justice department." there is a contract.

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Morning Joe

they're listening to the refs, again, who happen to be insurrectionists, weirdos and freaks, trumpers. it is shocking they wouldn't even mention the name of the man responsible for the riots on january 6th. elise, i want to -- just something, you know, you and i, former republicans, you and i conservatives economically with a libertarian slant. you remember a couple years ago when everybody freaked out and melted down on the right when barack obama said something, you didn't build it yourself. we all built it. you don't say that to conservatives. we believe -- we never say, we did this. i did this for the economy. i'm responsible for 22 million new jobs in the '90s. we don't do it because we don't believe it. if you're a conservative, if you're a republican, traditionally what you believe is, if things go well in war,

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Morning Joe

he withheld the information. >> he lied. >> he lied. >> it was murderous. >> who paid for that economically? all of us did. every american did. millions died. that's one thing. second thing, i defeated isis. i've never heard a commander in chief say something so stupid in all my life. no, the men and women in uniform that donald trump and trumpers regularly attack are men and women in uniform who risked their lives. they defeated isis under barack obama's leadership, under donald trump's leadership. again, that whole "i defeated," it's grotesque. >> it really is. >> it's un-american, and it explains why donald trump would think it was his army, they were toy soldiers he could play with, and they're his, and why he

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