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lukashenko lukashenko is essential for him. it helps him have the divide and conquer leadership has. if you are a dictator, and you worry about the power of the military and generals, ahead of the military, one of the things that prigozhin did is to try to weaken them. he would play these people, and institutions against each other. he is the ultimate arbiter between them. when push came to shove he couldn't rely on the loyalty of the same people. this is really dangerous. if you are a dictator, it's all about power. he's always talked about been the man for stability and russia, and it was all just cracked hard yesterday. esterday to that point, we don't know where prigozhin is right now. and even if the wagner group is now out of business, does that mean elements of the

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this unfolded. no update from the man himself, who probably everyone wants to hear from. everyone is looking to see what is the meeting will be. yesterday, when he made that television address well this whole address was unfolding, he looked a visibly angry. he was talking very strongly in terms of mutiny, trader, being stabbed in the back, and punishment. that is very strong wards by the end of the day, they didn't make him look particularly strong. by the beginning of the day, he was talking about prigozhin going to jail, being punished for what he's done, facing the full prosecution, the full punishments of the legal system. by the end of the day, he was given exile. they were told that he wouldn't face any punishment as wagner fighters won't face any punishment. they can even joined the russian defense ministry. he's come out of this looking much we command that he was before. we spoke about this in the last hour, in the early 90s, when there were coups against boris

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i don't know if we've even seen in the soviet era. >> is that fact to stay alive right now? >> to some degree, yes. i, mean i don't know that he's stays alive forever. there is a pattern with russia, and it's dissidents. they may go away for awhile, but you know, eventually putin's assassins come to haunt them in one way or another. going to belarus, it is important to note that prigozhin had helped out lukashenko at various times. a couple years ago, lukashenko had an uprising in his own country. prigozhin dispatch some of his bloodhounds to do work for the belarusian president. there is a tight relationship there. ultimately, when you look across the border, prigozhin is someone who gets things done for putin. putin, as much as he probably doesn't like what's going on, also needs to figure out an exit strategy. as a last note, prigozhin was facing lucy must-have his

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organization he couldn't continue under existing or a new capacity, or even that prigozhin might resurface. >> all of these things are possible. the wagner fighters could be incorporate into the regular defense or the army. how do you take these people been fighting in a completely different way, and put them into a bureaucracy and make that work? it shows weakness of the leadership, it shows a weakness of the system. and if prigozhin is going to be in belarus, this is a problem for the future of putin, and a lot of people have speculated that putin would just kill him. that creates a separate set of problems for vladimir putin. he has created this every man view that he supports the troops, that the rich elites in moscow were not serious about taking care of the russians at the front. killing him could create real

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in the russian military. they are not going to know who to trust, on the eastern front in ukraine. they are not sure and this is going to be very significant instability for the long term. we are going to have a very clear picture in protecting ourselves, our forces, and giving ukraine the capability it needs to accomplish the job. >> thank, you heather connally. we appreciate it so much. after the break, the u.s. secretary of state's acting to the crisis in russia and weighing in on that g7 emergency call. you don't. our sulfate-free collections smell incredible... ♪ and leave your hair touchably soft and smooth.

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dropped. both have been vocal, including a fiery speech by putin. neither him nor prigozhin have been seen or heard from publicly since the deal was announced. joining me now in london, nbc news correspondent -- in kyiv ukraine, foreign correspondents -- and security analyst and former special agent with a joint terrorism task for, clint walks. ali, the russian foreign minister says the country remains in support of president putin by prigozhin left the southern town and done, a column of tanks and armored vehicles to cheering crowds. still no word from inside the kremlin? >> that's right, no word from inside the kremlin after 24 hours of extraordinary mutiny and mayhem. we have heard [inaudible] that vladimir putin will give a television of addressed today, but that television address was reported on the 21st of this month, that's before any of

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a different direction. that's why you had everybody at the white house monitoring this hour by hour. that is why the president has been continually briefed by all of this. that is why the administration, even though they've known about this for days now, and they've seen some of these signs for weeks, i'm told, they don't want to speak about this publicly in any way that could affect how this is perceived, in terms of what role the u.s. would have placed what they are calling this internal russian affair. that is why the president and the white house has put the focus and the emphasis on these diplomatic steps instead they're taking place here. what they are calling the leader of germany, france, and the uk. and with the secretary of state blinken. often really sending most of yesterday on the phone, with their critical counterparts. all with support for ukraine. so there is still no sense or conclusion that can be drawn from u.s. officials that i've spoken to, about what this means for the larger war in

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front yesterday, and gains by the ukrainians as well. chris. >> el rio -- clint watts, thank you so much. joining me now, former cia officer, john cipher. cofounder is by cropped entertainment, and a nonresident senior fellow at the atlantic council. it's great to have you. here for the institute and the study of war, as you, know as a washington d.c. based think tank, which has been intently following russia's invasion of ukraine, says that the kremlin failed to mount a response to -- underscore an internal security weaknesses that is due to weaknesses that we have talked about, also the element to surprise. i wonder if you agree, what do you think the status of russian forces and intelligence as right now? >> well, certainly the person who comes out of this look at the weakest's vladimir putin. frankly, so to the russian security forces. yes, they're fighting in

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where his focus has been. our focus is resolutely and resolutely on ukraine. >> we saw a demonstrable crack and uproot and strength. the only real answer here is that putin is going to stop this war, and pull out of ukraine. if he wants to save his country, save his leadership -- >> >> the armed rebellion initiated by the leader of the wagner mercenary forest, which has been fighting on russia's behalf in ukraine, and it in the middle of a reported moth just to moscow with no bloodshed. it ended surprisingly quickly less than a day after a began, raising questions of a coup. then, a deal was brokered by fellow russian president, it's lukashenko a very close ally of putin, who also has close ties to prigozhin. according to lukashenko, you prigozhin will be ex communicated to belarus. they'll be charges will be

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groups coming july. they were trying to roll the wagner group into the military defense. there are some motives behind the scenes for prigozhin and why he push this when he did. this is coming up in that july deadline. >> early this morning, as you know, the ukrainian president said, quote, the man from the kremlin is obviously very afraid and probably hiding somewhere. he knows what he is afraid of because he himself created this threat. talk a little bit more but what we heard from president zelenskyy and how all of these developments are resonating on the ground there in ukraine. >> yeah, it's interesting to note, chris, that that part of his address overnight was in russia. . he specifically said i'm speaking to rush, i'm speaking to you and rachel now. i'm telling you that president putin is probably in high dane. there's a bit a taunting, there is he's been known to do. also saying that as long as you stick with that leader, with president putin, all you will get is disaster.

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