on, it is all about himself and how wonderful he is, and he made a total mess of the eu referendum, including the negotiations with europe that preceded it, and yet this is the man thatis preceded it, and yet this is the man that is now in charge of the foreign office. i've got very serious doubts. all i can say and i have said it before is that i am very glad that i found the courage to leave the conservative party when i did, because i certainly would be leaving now. did, because i certainly would be leaving "ow-— did, because i certainly would be leaving nova— leaving now. and you are course observed in _ leaving now. and you are course observed in the _ leaving now. and you are course observed in the foreign - leaving now. and you are course observed in the foreign office, i leaving now. and you are course | observed in the foreign office, in the home office, i should say, pardon me, before. what advice would you be giving to james cleverly right now? i you be giving to james cleverly right now?— you be giving to james cleverly riaht now? ., �* ~ , right now? i don't think he needs much advise. _ right now? i don't think he needs much advise, i— right now? i don't think he needs much advise, i think _ right now? i don't think he needs much advise, i think he - right now? i don't think he needs much advise, i think he is - right now? i don't think he needs much advise, i think he is a - right now? i don't think he needs| much advise, i think he is a sharp individual. he handled his previous brief very well under extremely difficult circumstances. so i don't think he needs advice. but the crucial thing i would say is that the nation is waiting for delivery. don'tjust the nation is waiting for delivery. don't just tell as you the nation is waiting for delivery. don'tjust tell as you are going to stop the boats, suella has been telling us that for years, just do it. telling us that for years, 'ust do it. , ., , ~ ., telling us that for years, 'ust do it. focus on delivery. and what do ou think it. focus on delivery. and what do you think in _ it. focus on delivery. and what do you think in terms _ it. focus on delivery. and what do you think in terms of _ it. focus on delivery. and what do you think in terms of these - you think in terms of these appointments as we go into what is effectively the starting gun for next year's general election? well, i mean, next year's general election? well, i mean. that _ next year's general election? well, i mean. that is— next year's general election? well, i mean, that is what _ next year's general election? well, i mean, that is what this _ next year's general election? -ii i mean, that is what this reshuffle is about, is about the team that is going to take us into the general election. but what we are going to have now is the fallout over the next few days, the fallout of sacking suella, the fallout of appointing david cameron because there will be quite a big fallout in one section of the party, and rishi is going to have to deal with that. and that is going to be the real test, the test is not the appointments he is making this morning, the test will be how he deals with the fallout, and i think there will be quite a big one. former conservative minister ann widdecombe. talking about what she saysis widdecombe. talking about what she says is the fallout from these appointments. to discuss that further, i am joined appointments. to discuss that further, iamjoined by appointments. to discuss that further, i am joined by kitty donaldson, the uk political editor for bloomberg news. i'm sure you are listening to what ann widdecombe had to say. what do you think will be the fallout from these new appointments?— the fallout from these new a- ointments? ~ , , ., ,. ., appointments? absolutely fascinating what ann widdecombe _ appointments? absolutely fascinating what ann widdecombe was _ appointments? absolutely fascinating what ann widdecombe was saying. i appointments? absolutely fascinating i what ann widdecombe was saying. and absolutely, i think she speaks for quite a few of the right of the party who are furious at what rishi sunak has done to suella braverman this morning, i understand people are gathering in groups in westminster thinking about what they can do and react. some of the reaction has been quite muted on twitter and on the news channels, but behind the scenes, i think things are not restful for the but behind the scenes, i think things are not restfulfor the prime minister, let's put it that way. and minister, let's put it that way. and what do you _ minister, let's put it that way. and what do you think was the motivation behind the bringing back of david cameron? i think almost everyone i have spoken to this morning on bbc news who covers westminster was pretty surprised by it. what do you think the motivation was, how will this change the game for him? i think you've got to remember that all these people in rishi sunak�*s office and himself, he is 43, he came of political age when david cameron was in charge and i think it harks back to a kind of golden era where george osborne and cameron were kings of all they surveyed and they are trying to grasp onto that it was a bit and hope it will change the fortunes with the electorate next year. i'm not sure that is a gamble that will pay off, actually. david cameron is a divisive figure, he carries a lot of baggage with him. noticeably a brexit of course. he was the guy that took us out of the eu, he campaigned not to. and he is also carrying baggage about the company he lobbied for on behalf of them are lobby the government on behalf of. and it's interesting in the party also from a party management perspective. lots of tory mps going round this morning saying, what is wrong with me? why can't i be appointed or surely you must have some talent that we don't need to make someone appear to bring them back and why is the prime minister not using the talent in the house of commons already? so that is another fallout, if you will. it is very much a statement of intent on behalf of the prime minister. he is saying in the clearest possible terms, i am stamping my authority on the party, this is the first reshuffle he has been able to do in his own image, and trying to make a break with what happened last week with suella braverman's attacks on the police and attacks on the marchers. and also, by bringing back david cameron, heat that sort of modernist, cameron centrist view and thatis modernist, cameron centrist view and that is what ann widdecombe said, it will upset a lot of people in the right of the party. but will upset a lot of people in the right of the party.— will upset a lot of people in the right of the party. but to many who are sunporters _ right of the party. but to many who are sunporters of — right of the party. but to many who are supporters of mr— right of the party. but to many who are supporters of mr cameron, - right of the party. but to many who are supporters of mr cameron, thisj are supporters of mr cameron, this is a very smart move by the prime minister, not least because david cameron has international recognition. he has experience in foreign affairs, he has travelled to many of the countries that the uk needs to strengthen its alliances with and will continue to keep good alliances with, so many would say this is actually a very smart move. yes, you can absolutely argue it that way. he clearly has international experience, he is a recognisable figure, he is one of these elder statesman types. yes, absolutely, you could argue it that way and probably when he goes round—the—world, he will probably be able to get the meetings. but his sort of foreign policy stance has already raised eyebrows in the tory party, people like iain duncan smith... china hook say his view on relation to china is out of date. if you remember back to when he was drinking a pint in the pub in oxfordshire with the chinese premier and heralding the golden age of uk and heralding the golden age of uk and chinese relations. things have changed quite a lot since those days and the tory party have become more sceptic and he might face a battle is within his own party even as he says he builds bridges abroad. kiting says he builds bridges abroad. kitty donaldson, from _ says he builds bridges abroad. kitty donaldson, from bloomberg, thank you forjoining us. and kitty's sentiment really will bring true across westminster today. some people will be happy with the changes that rishi sunak has made at the top of his government. but there are of course many others who will see this as a big disappointment. we are starting to get reaction from some conservative mps who share both of those different viewpoints. suella braverman was sacked this morning, that triggered the changes at the top of government and some of these great offices of state. and we did hear a very brief statement from suella braverman this morning. she said she is expected to release a statement or will speak further later in due course, she said. so we are waiting to hear what comes next when it comes to suella braverman. she is a politician who is no longer in front line government. but she remains an mp and she has a huge wing of support in the conservative party and amongst the rank and file. and there are many who say she has big political ambitions and one day, perhaps could lead a conservative party. let's take a look at her rise in politics. my colleague helen catt. she's the daughter of migrants who put taking a tough line on immigration at the centre of her agenda as home secretary. suella braverman inherited the government's flagship policy of sending illegal arrivals to rwanda, but it's one she wholeheartedly embraced. she was also a leading voice pushing for curbs on all migration and was prepared to say bluntly what she believed. where individuals are being persecuted, it is right that we offer sanctuary. but we will not be able to sustain an asylum system if, in effect, simply being gay or a woman or fearful of discrimination in your country of origin is sufficient to qualify for protection. originally given the job of home secretary by liz truss, six weeks later, ms braverman was out of the picture. she'd broken the ministerial code by e—mailing a document to someone who shouldn't have seen it and she resigned. when the new prime minister rishi sunak reappointed herjust a week later, it was controversial. was his home secretary right to resign last week for a breach of security? the home secretary made an error ofjudgment, - but she recognised that, she raised the matter- and she accepted her mistake. ms braverman stayed, popular with the right of the party, but there were increasing concerns about her choice of language. the wind of change that carried my own parents across the globe in the 20th century was a mere gust, compared to the hurricane that is coming. she clashed with the metropolitan police commissioner, sir mark rowley, over pro—palestine protests in london and caused a backlash when she said sleeping rough in tents was sometimes a "lifestyle choice". suella fernandes. it was in 2015 that ms braverman, then suella fernandes, first entered the commons. a brexiteer, she quit as brexit minister over concerns about theresa may's version of the withdrawal agreement. but laterjoined the cabinet as borisjohnson's attorney general. and in 2021, she became the first cabinet minister to take maternity leave, after a change in the law was rushed through to allow it. she never hid her ambition, though, for the topjob. asked if she would run for leader here before her boss had actually resigned. i'll be straight with you, robert, yes, iwill. in the resulting contest, she came sixth, but suspicions swirled that her punchy style was, in part, about setting the ground for another run. it's the guardian—reading, tofu—eating, wokerati, dare i say, the anti—growth coalition that we have to thank for the disruption that we are seeing on our roads today. for now, suella braverman will return to the backbenches. it seems unlikely, though, that she'll do it quietly. helen catt, bbc news, westminster. of course, it was the sacking of suella braverman by my name occurred this morning that triggered a very interesting and surprising day here interesting and surprising day here in downing street. we saw former prime minister david cameron walk up the street here to a much surprise amongst many here in westminster. and he is now back in front line politics. he is the british foreign secretary. i don't think many people saw that coming. he is replacing james cleverly, who was foreign secretary. he has now moved to the home office to replace suella braverman. there have been other moves as well in politics. some ministers who have also said they won't be staying in their roles after the next general election. to discuss this in a bit more detail, i'm stilljoined by my colleague ione wells in downing street. the sun has come out a bit, it has been a cold morning. what reaction has there been know that this news has sunkin there been know that this news has sunk in across westminster, are we hearing from more mps about their view with this reshuffle? taste hearing from more mps about their view with this reshuffle?— view with this reshuffle? we are, indeed. certainly _ view with this reshuffle? we are, indeed. certainly the _ view with this reshuffle? we are, indeed. certainly the main - view with this reshuffle? we are, i indeed. certainly the main reaction so far has been to the appointment of david cameron as foreign secretary. among lots of conservative mps, this has been quite welcome to. we have heard from big high—profile mps like the former prime minister theresa may congratulating him on his appointment. also the former cabinet minister andrea leadsom hasjust tweeted saying, it is a vital moment for our country and the world and david cameron's knowledge and experience as well his contacts will be greatly valued. a nod to how well—known he will be across the world in his new brief, given he was prime minister and had to engage in lots of diplomatic relations in that role previously. it hasn't gone down with everybody. another andrea on the conservative side, andrea jenkyns, who was a loyal boris johnson supporter, has criticised the move. criticised the sacking of suella braverman in particular, saying that rishi sunak is in her words giving into the left. i think she is clearly one of the figures on the right—wing of the conservative party who may well be unhappy with this decision to sack suella braverman. the big question now will be, whether she go next and how to her supporters coalesce around her? ione wells, thank you forjoining us this morning. we are going to say goodbye to viewers watching us on bbc two, but there is full coverage for you on the bbc news website. if you are staying with us here in bbc news, we are of course reporting live from downing street on what has been a very busy morning in british politics. it began with the sacking of home secretary suella braverman. a sacking which was widely anticipated, but this morning, rishi sunak did the deed. that led to a vacancy at the home office and james cleverly, who was until this morning foreign secretary, has moved into that post. and the new foreign secretary is quite the surprise, former british prime minister david cameron, who makes a remarkable return to front line politics. let's have a listen to what james cleverly had to say when he was in his new office or home office earlier this morning. it office or home office earlier this morninu. ., , office or home office earlier this morninu. .,, , office or home office earlier this morninu. ., , ., morning. it has been a huge privilege _ morning. it has been a huge privilege to _ morning. it has been a huge privilege to serve _ morning. it has been a huge privilege to serve as - morning. it has been a huge privilege to serve as foreign secretary and in that time, i worked very closely with my colleagues in the home office, cracking down on illegal migration, reducing the number of small boats arrivals. and now is a home secretary, i'm absolutely committed to stopping the boats as we promised. also making sure that everybody in the uk feel safe and secure going around, going about their daily business, knowing that the government is here to protect them. so it is a fantastic job and it is a real privilege to serve, thank you very much. and job and it is a real privilege to serve, thank you very much. and you want to distance _ serve, thank you very much. and you want to distance yourself _ serve, thank you very much. and you want to distance yourself from - serve, thank you very much. and you want to distance yourself from the i want to distance yourself from the rhetoric of the previous home secretary?— rhetoric of the previous home secreta ? ~ ., ., , secretary? well, i intend to do this 'ob secretary? well, i intend to do this “0b in the secretary? well, i intend to do this job in the way _ secretary? well, i intend to do this job in the way that _ secretary? well, i intend to do this job in the way that i _ secretary? well, i intend to do this job in the way that i feel— secretary? well, i intend to do this job in the way that i feel best - job in the way that i feel best protects the british people and our interests. i have had a very good conversation with the prime minister, who has made it very clear that he wants us to deliver on our promises, to stop the boats, to protect the british people, make sure everybody feels secure in their lives. 50 sure everybody feels secure in their lives. ,, ., sure everybody feels secure in their lives. , ., ., lives. so there you have it, the first remarks _ lives. so there you have it, the first remarks from _ lives. so there you have it, the first remarks from britain's - lives. so there you have it, the | first remarks from britain's new home secretary. and he certainly does have a very challenging intro going forward as he touched on. to discuss that further earlier, i spoke to our home editor mark easton. ~ g ., , , easton. well, james cleverly, famously _ easton. well, james cleverly, famously loved _ easton. well, james cleverly, famously loved being - easton. well, james cleverly, famously loved being foreign| famously loved being foreign secretary. he was suggested as someone who might be a defence secretary, he has a military background and apparently let it be known, you will see marks on the parquet floor in my office if you tried to move me. i don't quite know what his attitude would be to taking on the huge and very complicated brief at the home office. it is complicated right now, he is immediately coming into the arguments about the relationship between the home secretary and the police, the metropolitan police, the manner in which they have been policing protests in london. the government has made it clear that they would be interested in trying to give the police more powers to arrest people more quickly who are involved in hate crimes on marches. so that is something that is going to see —— come pretty fast at him, as is of course the rwanda judgment at the supreme court on wednesday morning. that is of course a judgment on a centrepiece of rishi sunak�*s government. and indeed, it has been for the conservative government for some time. and we don't know which way it is going to go. butjames cleverly don't know which way it is going to go. but james cleverly is don't know which way it is going to go. butjames cleverly is going to have to really get up to speed on all the implications of that win or lose. he also has to deal of course with the asylum system, which is in a terrible state, with hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people stuck in the system, many, as your viewers will no, in huge —— in ho