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BBCNEWS BBC July 2, 2024



to you live from southern israel about three kilometres from the gaza strip were intense fighting continues, particularly around al—shifa hospital, gaza's largest hospital where the situation is increasingly dire. the hospital manager saying bodies are piling up around the hospital. that is prompting increasing international criticism, particularly on the israeli strategy around that hospital with president biden saying that he wants what he says are less intrusive action around hospitals. the who warned that al shifa has become, in its words, nearly a cemetery. al shifa's director says 179 people including seven babies have now been buried in a mass grave. he went on to say there are bodies littered in the hospital complex and there is no longer electricity at the morgues. there is also the issue of how to help those in need of medical attention. around 30 babies were said to be in need of intensive care on monday. this is the heartbreaking image of the made public by the hospital. it wants them evacuated to egypt. israel insists it is only targeting the al—shifa hospital because it is a supply centre and it conceals tunnels belonging to hamas, which it saysis tunnels belonging to hamas, which it says is a terrorist organisation and that it says is a terrorist organisation and thatitis says is a terrorist organisation and that it is running its command centre from underneath gaza's medical facilities. centre from underneath gaza's medicalfacilities. it released these images which it says are of incubators which it is offering to transfer to the medical teams there. but there is no indication yet that any of the medical equipment has been delivered to doctors at al—shifaa. there is also the question of how to keep aid coming to the people in gaza. the un refugee agency for palestinian refugees says that it could cease operations as early as today because fuel is almost completely out. that's prompting renewed calls for fuel to come in to gaza. it has not come in at all since seventh october when hamas launched its surprise attack on israel killing around 1200 people and taking almost 240 people hostage. let's get the latest on the ground in gaza and we can speak live to our correspondent in southern gaza in khan younis, rushdi abualouf joins us now. what do you understand the current situation at al—shifa hospital? in the last ten minutes i spoke to may be the last remaining journalist inside the hospital. he told me they are preparing now a mass grave for around 170 bodies. he said already they have started to bury some, they were trying to get them out to the cemetery yesterday and this morning and since they failed they decided to bury them in a small courtyard of the hospital. they said they are going to be buried, 170 people. he already 30 bodies put in the grave in the last ten minutes or so. he said the situation remains the same, very tense situation around the hospital with some air strikes and explosions around the hospital this morning, including a mosque nearby hit this morning. he told me moving from one building to another inside the hospital is a risk and he said even burying the people is a risk because tanks are surrounding the hospital from all around. the hospital from all around. the hospital is quite big, i've been to this hospital hundreds of times. it is about six or seven huge buildings in one complex and it is facing four directions. tanks were in three directions. tanks were in three directions yesterday but overnight he said tanks are also close to the main gate of the hospital. he said that communication is really very difficult to maintain. now what the doctors are trying to do is trying to keep the babies warm because this morning there was heavy rain here in gaza and also here in kahn younis and also in gaza. we have seen people who are struggling because they don't have the proper clothes to deal with such weather. and also most of the people are sleeping on the ground. i saw somebody who was sleeping on the ground in the middle of the rain. he had nothing to cover over his head. the humanitarian situation is getting to the age of crisis here in kahn younis. but not as bad as for those who are still living in gaza city where we believe about 300,000 — living in gaza city where we believe about 300,000 - 400,000 living in gaza city where we believe about 300,000 — 400,000 people are still in gaza city and the north and they are without electricity, water, and somebody told me this morning that he had to share one bread with ten people. that he had to share one bread with ten --eole. ~ . that he had to share one bread with ten maple-— ten people. what is your understanding _ ten people. what is your understanding of - ten people. what is your understanding of the - ten people. what is your - understanding of the situation of those babies at al—shifaa in terms of incubators getting to them? what are the doctors saying about the increasing number of babies that are dying there? the increasing number of babies that are dying there?— dying there? the official number from the hamas _ dying there? the official number from the hamas run _ dying there? the official number from the hamas run health - dying there? the official number. from the hamas run health ministry said 36 people died within the hospital because of the lack of fuel and the lack of equipment. they said 36 people including babies. they didn't say exactly whether they are from the people because of the lack of incubators. they said in general 36 people including seven babies died, this is the official statement from the hamas run health ministry inside the hospital. no aid was allowed into the hospital, was allowed into the hospital, was allowed nobody out of the hospital for the last 48 hours. he said four people yesterday tried to escape from the hospital and they were shot, bleeding on the ground for about two hours and the medical team had to rescue their lives and drag them inside the hospital. he said about 400 patients are struggling and they are facing a real danger of dying because some of them were connected to the life—saving machines before the power went down and there is no sign of anything. again i was asking the director of the hospital about the fuel this morning that the israelis are offering. he said 300 litres is enough for half an hour and we need 10,000 litres to be able to run all of the generators in the hospital and the hospital can function again. but he said we are not dealing with the israelis because it is too risky and we need a third party to intervene and deal with this. find intervene and deal with this. and what of the _ intervene and deal with this. and what of the situation around you in kahn younis? you talk about the 300,000 or 400,000 possibly who have been sheltering. how many more are coming down into the south and how are they coping with the scarce resources and supplies available there? . , ., , resources and supplies available there? . , ., ., , there? the city was already overwhelmed _ there? the city was already overwhelmed even - there? the city was already overwhelmed even before l there? the city was already - overwhelmed even before opening there? the city was already _ overwhelmed even before opening this humanitarian corridor. every day, thousands of people do mcphee free on here because kahn younis is the second biggest city and considered the capital of the south. —— thousands of people are fleeing here. it is the hub of the towns and villages in the south. here at the hospital, thousands of people, there is no, people are living on top of each other. it was hot when the war started but now we are facing 10 degrees down this morning. it was raining. isaw degrees down this morning. it was raining. i saw a chaotic situation here, people running out of their tents trying to find anything to cover from the water, with people everyday coming, every day we see hundreds of people the fighting in the north and they are travelling on the north and they are travelling on the salah al—din road making this journey about six or seven kilometres to the south. you have to understand that even in the south, the hospitals in the south are also struggling because there is no fuel since october seven entering this area. and now any available fuel anyway in the south are only given to the hospital is to keep them just running. there is a risk that this hospital, nasser hospital, is now serving two thirds of the population, which might be out of service soon if fuel doesn't arrive here. , a ., ., here. rushdi abualouf with the catastmphic — here. rushdi abualouf with the catastrophic situation - here. rushdi abualouf with the catastrophic situation in - here. rushdi abualouf with the catastrophic situation in the . here. rushdi abualouf with the i catastrophic situation in the whole of gaza and also in the south as well, thank you very much indeed, and our thoughts go out to you and yourfamily. do stay and our thoughts go out to you and your family. do stay safe, thank you forjoining us. let's pick up on some of the latest. let's speak to the deputy mayor ofjerusalem, fleur hassan—nahoum. shejoins us live. thank she joins us live. thank you for joining us. can eid festival ask you about the issue of the incubators and those what is the latest on the inky is being transferred to the hospital, because it is the lack of fuel not the lack of incubators.— the lack of incubators. israel su lied the lack of incubators. israel suwlied to _ the lack of incubators. israel supplied to the _ the lack of incubators. israel supplied to the hospital. - the lack of incubators. israel supplied to the hospital. it l the lack of incubators. israel| supplied to the hospital. it is tragic what is going on there. let me tell you where there is no lack of fuel. underneath the hospital where hamas has built the nerve centre of its terror base. there they don't have any lack of fuel, food or water. hamas has brought upon this terrible tragedy its own people by attacking brutally the state of israel on the 7th of october by decapitating our babies. yesterday we received a report that a woman in captivity, one of the hostages, has given birth. we don't know what is going on with her baby, with this woman. we don't even have proof of life of the 240 hostages that are there, including babies. if we are going to talk about babies, there is babies on both sides that are suffering because hamas decided to break the ceasefire on the 7th of october completely unprovoked. it is horrible what is going on in gaza. but there is one address to blame for all of this carnage, and that is hamas who hide like cowards underneath a very hospital where these terrible things are happening. there are babies on both side, there is trauma on both sides and israel of course continues to mourn the loss of some 1200 people killed in those attacks and search for almost 240 are still being held hostage. but, deputy mayor, there is is no fuel, very little food and water and increasing suffering of the people increasing suffering of the people in gaza. israel is facing ever more international pressure from its western allies like the us and france, how much longer can this really go on?— france, how much longer can this really go on? ultimately we need to do two things. _ really go on? ultimately we need to do two things, otherwise _ really go on? ultimately we need to do two things, otherwise israel - really go on? ultimately we need to do two things, otherwise israel is i do two things, otherwise israel is at an existential threat. the first thing we need to do is dismantle the genocidal regime that runs gaza since 2005 that has created all this tragedy for its own people. gaza before the war had four hours of electricity a day. whose fault was that? who was running the show? they were taking electricity for their very deep and very extensive terror tunnels, biggerthan very deep and very extensive terror tunnels, bigger than the london underground command they have no lack of fuel or electricity and they are hiding there like cowards whilst the people face the music, face something they created to begin with. first of all, israel has to dismantle... israel has to dismantle the terror infrastructure. dismantle. .. israel has to dismantle the terror infrastructure.— the terror infrastructure. sorry, there is a _ the terror infrastructure. sorry, there is a delay. _ the terror infrastructure. sorry, there is a delay. are _ the terror infrastructure. sorry, there is a delay. are you - the terror infrastructure. sorry, i there is a delay. are you alleging there is a delay. are you alleging the tunnels underneath al shifa are full of fuel and how not allowing the fuel to come up to the incubators and respirators inside the hospital? incubators and respirators inside the heapital?_ incubators and respirators inside the hosital? ~ , . ., the hospital? absolutely. we have intelligence _ the hospital? absolutely. we have intelligence they _ the hospital? absolutely. we have intelligence they have _ the hospital? absolutely. we have intelligence they have fuel- the hospital? absolutely. we have intelligence they have fuel for- the hospital? absolutely. we have intelligence they have fuel for 2-3| intelligence they have fuel for 2—3 months in london there while they leave their people like cowards on top of something they have created. that is the saddest and most tragic thing. it is an existential threat to us. it is not me saying it, their leaders, who are sitting pretty in qatar who are saying we are going to do october the 7th again and again. any normal country would protect its citizens. the second thing we need to do is bring hostages home. want to do is bring hostages home. want to talk about a ceasefire, very simple, bring hostages home and then we will talk about a ceasefire. they could end this tomorrow, they could end this in a day.— end this in a day. where are we on the hostage _ end this in a day. where are we on the hostage deal? _ end this in a day. where are we on the hostage deal? there _ end this in a day. where are we on the hostage deal? there is - the hostage deal? there is increasing talk about a like for like hostage release between the israelis and palestinians. what can you tell us today about that? eager? you tell us today about that? every da we you tell us today about that? every day we hear _ you tell us today about that? every day we hear something _ you tell us today about that? every day we hear something new. - you tell us today about that? e7 day we hear something new. i've spoken to the families of hostages, some of them are friends. last week a picture of a 12—year—old boy was released by islamicjihad saying they would release the boy, i spoke to his mother, she had hoped for about an hour to his mother, she had hoped for aboutan hour or to his mother, she had hoped for about an hour or two that this would happen and it can happen. i'm not privy to that type of intelligence but we pray that our hostages come home. if they want all of this to end they should bring hostages home, release these innocent babies, elderly people, children, teenagers, then we can start talking about a ceasefire. the world wants a ceasefire. the world wants a ceasefire in the world should also be asking for the hostages to be returned home. {lilia be asking for the hostages to be returned home.— returned home. 0k, fleur hassan-nahoum, - returned home. 0k, fleur hassan-nahoum, we - returned home. 0k, fleur| hassan-nahoum, we have returned home. 0k, fleur. hassan-nahoum, we have to returned home. 0k, fleur- hassan-nahoum, we have to leave returned home. 0k, fleur— hassan-nahoum, we have to leave it hassan—nahoum, we have to leave it there. thank you for your thoughts on bbc news. let's get the perspective now ofjuliette touma who is with us from the united nations palestine refugee agency you and rwa. we spoke yesterday on bbc news. you told us of the chronic shortage of fuel. the deputy mayor ofjerusalem was saying how mass has plenty of fuel underneath the al—shifa hospital and it is not releasing it out to the hospital. what are your teens on the ground saying about the fuel shortage and can unrwa remain operational? we do not have fuel — can unrwa remain operational? we do not have fuel as — can unrwa remain operational? we do not have fuel as of— can unrwa remain operational? we do not have fuel as of this _ can unrwa remain operational? we do not have fuel as of this hour, _ can unrwa remain operational? , if not have fuel as of this hour, unrwa does not have fuel, unrwa has not received any fuel from outside of gaza since the war began on the 7th of october. and yes, we are on the verge of becoming nonoperational if we do not get an urgent shipment of fuel. ., ., , ., , ., ., fuel. how many hours away are we from the un _ fuel. how many hours away are we from the un ceasing _ fuel. how many hours away are we from the un ceasing operations i fuel. how many hours away are we | from the un ceasing operations and aid delivery? has from the un ceasing operations and aid delivery?— aid delivery? as of this morning we are notable — aid delivery? as of this morning we are not able to _ aid delivery? as of this morning we are not able to go _ aid delivery? as of this morning we are not able to go and _ aid delivery? as of this morning we are not able to go and pick - aid delivery? as of this morning we are not able to go and pick up - are not able to go and pick up trucks that i plan to cross the border with egypt and bring in much—needed supplies. unrwa was responsible for picking up these tracks that were delivered since zist tracks that were delivered since 21st of october. as of this morning we are not able to do that. the incubators _ we are not able to do that. the incubators for _ we are not able to do that. the incubators for the _ we are not able to do that. the incubators for the babies that the israelis are providing, and a representative i spoke to earlier said it was not an issue of a lack of incubators per se, it is a lack of incubators per se, it is a lack of fuel for those incubators. is that the problem here, as far as your contacts are saying on the ground? your contacts are saying on the round? . your contacts are saying on the i round? ., , your contacts are saying on the round? ., , ., ground? gaza needs fuelfor humanitarian _ ground? gaza needs fuelfor humanitarian purposes, - ground? gaza needs fuel for - humanitarian purposes, including for the unrwa operation but also for medicalfacilities the unrwa operation but also for medical facilities across the gaza strip, including shifa hospital. it also needs fuel for the bakeries to function, it needs it for the generators, for the electricity. it needsit generators, for the electricity. it needs it for water pumping station. gaza needs fuel for humanitarian purposes. and i can confirm that since 7th of october at no fuel has come in to gaza and unrwa has not received any fuel from outside of gaza since seventh october. it has been five weeks now and we are on the verge of not being able to continue our operations if we do not get fuel. we don't need itjust for the trucks, by the way. can get fuel. we don't need it 'ust for the trucks, by the way._ get fuel. we don't need it 'ust for the trucks, by the way. can you help me to understand _ the trucks, by the way. can you help me to understand how _ the trucks, by the way. can you help me to understand how these - the trucks, by the way. can you help me to understand how these thingsl me to understand how these things work on the ground? we had the deputy mayor ofjerusalem saying, deputy mayor of jerusalem saying, according deputy mayor ofjerusalem saying, according to their intelligence, there are 2—3 months worth of fuel that are still underneath al

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