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BBCNEWS The July 2, 2024



a huge road block today — as the supreme court ruled the government's flagship plan to send asylum seekers to rwanda was unlawful. but the prime minister says he will push ahead and find other ways to push the policy through — and says he's prepared to change uk law to do so. also on the programme tonight, the latest from gaza, where israeli forces have said they have found weapons after searching the largest hospital in the strip. we'll speak to one of benjamin netanyahu's senior advisors. we will be live in san francisco — where us presidentjoe biden is meeting his chinese counterpart, leader xi jinping for the first time in a year, for talks over military conflicts, drug—trafficking, artificial intelligence and trade. we will have more on all of that shortly. but first lets let's go to another live and breaking story we are following tonight. five of labour's shadow ministers look set to leave sir keir starmer�*s top team in a rebellion over his refusal to back a ceasefire in gaza. they've all voted in favour of an amendment by the scottish national party to the king's speech backing a ceasefire. 56 labour mps voted for the amendment in total. the front bench rebels included the high profile shadow cabinet memberjess phillips. labour had ordered its mps to back the party's own amendment which called for longer "humanitarian pauses" and abstain on the the snp propsal. our political correspondent iain watson is at central lobby at westminster. this looks like quite a rebellion, doesn't it? we have the definitive figures from the number of people who are either resigning from labour front bench, their top team or have been sacked, there are eight shadow ministers that are going, and to parliamentary aids, also regarded as being the front bench, one of them is a parliamentary aid to angela rayner, just for a record i would run you through some what we want from labours front bench tonight because they voted for the s&p motion back in cause for an immediate cease—fire in gaza. the eight shadow ministers are, not shaw, i slaughter, jess phillips, zeroing, and your gun, and to others, parliamentary aids who have worked with angela rayner. that is the definitive list but not the full scale of the rebellion was stub those are people on the front bench but a total of 56 labour mps back the s&p called for an immediate cease—fire. some of the smaller parties here in westminster back that as well. to put 56 in context, it's about one quarter of labour�*s are the mature party. some of them have made the use clear through social media and news articles, and is cleared there is significant damage to sir keir starmer. he said clearly to his mps that he wanted them to abstain, not to vote on this motion by the s&p, he saw that as playing politics, but there was an extensive effort over the last 2a hours to try to negotiate labour�*s position, their own motion, to try and minimise the skin of the rebellion. it doesn't look like it has succeeded but labour are reiterating it has —— israel has a right to defend itself from terrorists threatening, and it was critical of some of the actions by that campaign, it talks about lifting siege conditions, talked about getting food and fuel into gaza, about israel having a duty to protect hospitals, scene of course those pictures are from gaza today and the israel raid on the hospital in gaza city. so labour or try to take on some of the concerns of the mp, some of the grassroots and some of their constituents, but it wasn't enough to prevent a significant rebellion in one of the most significant challenges sir keir starmer has faced since he became labour leader. find starmer has faced since he became labour leader.— labour leader. and those who mps will be aware _ labour leader. and those who mps will be aware of _ labour leader. and those who mps will be aware of what _ labour leader. and those who mps will be aware of what their - will be aware of what their constituents are telling them and how they feel about what is going on in the middle east and we can look at a scene outside where you are right now, there is a pro—palestinian protesters outside of the house of commons, so they'll be aware that they are accountable to their constituents, and that's perhaps why the ability to how they have. ., �* , ~ perhaps why the ability to how they have. . �*, ~ h, have. that's right, i think some --eole have. that's right, i think some peeple felt _ have. that's right, i think some people felt this _ have. that's right, i think some people felt this was _ have. that's right, i think some people felt this was a _ have. that's right, i think some people felt this was a major - have. that's right, i think some l people felt this was a major issue for many years, felt that the palestinians had a raw deal, that a peace process has been far off track, especially with the netanyahu government in israel. others are certainly feeling the pressure distinctly and robustly from their constituents in recent weeks, and felt that if there was an opportunity to vote for a cease—fire, they had to do it even if they are on the front bench and risking their own jobs to stop so here at westminster, we are sitting outside at this very vocal process for a cease—fire, many smaller protests and demonstrations are lobbying, call it what you will, of z mp offices and some of them is a great deal of pressure with people writing to them and membership at grassroots others. in the particular view of one of the departed front ventures, she felt the party leadership was not impartial enough on this issue, they felt they were too supportive of israel's tactics of these in the early days of the conflict. there's pressure the other way from that labour leadership as well but keir starmer had allowed people to effectively freelance a bit over the previous weeks, so long as they did not come onto the media and at psyches leadership directly, but when it came to a parliamentary vote, he felt he had to exercise some discipline, he says he regrets the loss of the front ventures tonight but if they have a parsing government they need to impose a collective accountability, that's why ten of the sherman service had to go. why ten of the sherman service had to no. , , why ten of the sherman service had to ion , ,, why ten of the sherman service had toio. , ,, ,,., why ten of the sherman service had to i�* , ,, ,,., to go. just as sir keir starmer was t in to to go. just as sir keir starmer was trying to get _ to go. just as sir keir starmer was trying to get his — to go. just as sir keir starmer was trying to get his party _ to go. just as sir keir starmer was trying to get his party together- to go. just as sir keir starmer was trying to get his party together to | trying to get his party together to face an election, in what could be a general election year next year, this is quite a setback to those plans. where does that leave his labour party right now? this plans. where does that leave his labour party right now?- labour party right now? this is a articular labour party right now? this is a particular issue _ labour party right now? this is a particular issue where _ labour party right now? this is a particular issue where clear- particular issue where clear divisions within the party are exacerbated by events out of their control in the middle east. obviously people have come back into the labour party since the corbin era, someone supported israel, not all, others from different political traditions with the labour party, so wasn't all that together in the face of this international conflict was going to be a big challenge but the view is this is the biggest challenge, and another issue is trying to show more unity, certainly from his point of view, he has been fortunate because of the government was �*s issues over the rwanda policy, and the second of suella braverman, it is overshadowed some of his internal difficulties, but these difficulties will not be resolved tonight and there will still be difficulties, i believe as grassroots, it will be difficult to bridge this gap but from sir keir starmer�*s point of view, the ice with the international coming sakala for longer humanitarian pauses rather than a cease—fire, but they arguing officials calling for a cease—fire to stop so, i think this is challenging for him but he does not leave it is a sign of wider disunity, but what his opponents with hope is that people will speak out against other policies he is pursuing and that we might see more dissent rather than the added discipline we have seen in the last year or so. discipline we have seen in the last year or 50-— year or so. good to have you here there to explain _ year or so. good to have you here there to explain all _ year or so. good to have you here there to explain all of _ year or so. good to have you here there to explain all of that for - year or so. good to have you here there to explain all of that for us. there to explain all of that for us tonight, iain watson of our political correspondent in central lobby at westminster. we can see on screen, labour scene ten mps have been sacked from the neighbour front bench. that is the opposition front bench. that is the opposition front bench after voting for the s&p i made ben's calling for a cease—fire in gaza. an important difference in the language, whether this is a call for a cease—fire or a pause in the fighting, and that is the significant difference here. so, the labour party seen ten mps have been sacked for the voting for the s&p commitment for cease—fire, the labour party had had his own motion causing for a pause, to allow aiding people to leave, rather than a cease—fire that could potentially give hamas time to really. it's been a busy day in westminster. the prime minister says he will press ahead with plans to send asylum seekers to rwanda — after the highest court in the uk ruled that the government's policy was unlawful. the supreme court found there was a real risk that asylum seekers who were sent to rwanda could be wrongly assessed, and returned to their country of origin, where they could face persecution. but rishi sunak said new emergency legislation will enable parliament to "confirm rwanda is safe" and that he remained committed to stopping thousands of migrants crossing the channel in small boats every year. labour called the proposals a ridiculous and pathetic spectacle. let's speak to natasha tsangarides associate director of advocacy at freedom from torture. natasha thank you for being on the programme, and you welcomed this ruling today?— ruling today? absolutely today is a real victory for— ruling today? absolutely today is a real victory for reason _ ruling today? absolutely today is a real victory for reason and - real victory for reason and compassion, as you said, what this supreme court has found is what many of us already knew, that this cash for humans scheme is both immoral and deeply unlawful, the stakes could not be higher in a case like this. we were with survivors of torture who have been through the most unimaginative things and every day in our therapy rooms we are hearing of the absolute horror that the scheme has inflicted. today's judgment really sent a clear message to the government that rwanda is simply not a safe country.- simply not a safe country. wasn't the lan, simply not a safe country. wasn't the plan. the _ simply not a safe country. wasn't the plan, the proposal, _ simply not a safe country. wasn't the plan, the proposal, the - simply not a safe country. wasn't the plan, the proposal, the ideal simply not a safe country. wasn't. the plan, the proposal, the idea of this policy was that it was more of a deterrent rather than something enforced in reality? the idea that it would make it less attractive to come to this country? it would serve as a deterrent to prevent people coming here in the first place, hopefully not needing to be used in practice. that determines idea is an important one, isn't it? irate practice. that determines idea is an important one, isn't it?— important one, isn't it? we are in agreement— important one, isn't it? we are in agreement that _ important one, isn't it? we are in agreement that these _ important one, isn't it? we are in agreement that these boats - important one, isn't it? we are in agreement that these boats need j important one, isn't it? we are in i agreement that these boats need to be stopped but, actually, there is no evidence that the rwanda scheme would indeed stop the boats or act as a deterrent. that has been very clearly laid out even by the governments own advisers. what we know is the people up and down the country are seen through the bluster, care and compassionate people, now want the government to get a grip and scrap the rwanda scheme. it is not representative of the country that we are and is threatening to rip up every rule book, every rule in the rule book, is frankly, terrifying and astounded.— is frankly, terrifying and astounded. ., , astounded. the government says it will do the exact _ astounded. the government says it will do the exact opposite - astounded. the government says it will do the exact opposite to - astounded. the government says it will do the exact opposite to what i will do the exact opposite to what you said some people are calling for, introducing emergency legislation to mark rwanda as a safe country and getting around this latest ruling, briefly for us, if the government will press ahead with that legislation, it changes nothing right now, does it was you mark? it doesn't change anything because the court gave us this unanimous and clear decision laying out all the reasons as to why white rwanda is not a safe site, extradition hold killings and torture, so it's absolutely appalling that rishi sunak is once to plan ahead. i want to add that this government has pushed through to legislations recently, both of which they promised the public would deliver. they are consistently failing to deliver it because they are not being honest. this government, when it came to power, there were 7000 people in the backlogs, as ofjuly that figure rose to 130,000. they have wholly neglected the asylum system, we want and need this government to back down and do what the majority of people in this country want. to scrap the scheme, to develop a humane protection focused asylum system, that processes claims and dealings with people with dignity.— processes claims and dealings with people with dignity. thank you, good to have us at — people with dignity. thank you, good to have us at natasha _ people with dignity. thank you, good to have us at natasha tsangarides, l to have us at natasha tsangarides, discussing the latest plans from the uk government as far as asylum—seekers are concerned. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. let's look at some other stories making news. a city councillor has said a tower block in bristol that was evacuated over safety concerns, was not built according to plans. more than 400 residents were forced to leave their homes on tuesday, with the council declaring a major incident. building surveys showed barton house would not be safe in the event of a fire. the french train maker alstom has put more than 1,300 jobs at risk at the uk's largest rail assembly factory in derby. the site has no confirmed workload beyond the first quarter of 2024 due to a gap in orders. a spokesperson for alstom says it is working to secure a sustainable future for the factory. the royal mint has unveiled a new range of coins to celebrate 60 years of the james bond films. each design will feature a scene from a different decade from ian fleming's series. the first coin is from the sean connery era — and depicts the gyroplane from the 1967 film �*you only live twice'. more on the stories on the bbc website. the idf says its troops have found weapons, combat gear and technological equipment in the al—shifa hospital complex in gaza after a long search of the complex today. israel says, the al shifa hospital compound, conceals an underground command centre used by hamas — a claim doctors there deny. according to reporters that were among those inside the hospital today, the soldiers have left, but the idf says that their operation is continuing. tanks entered the al shifa hospital complex in the middle of the night, and soldiers searched the site, interrogating patients and medical staff. there are reports from inside the hospital in the last few hours that the soldiers have now left. though we of course have not been able to independently verify that. straight to the scene at the un security council in new york, another vote tonight, this is the latest vote trying to reach some sort of consensus at the un security council at a humanitarian pause to allow aiding and people to leave gaza. you will note that in recent weeks since this conflict has begun, there being five attempts that have failed to reach an agreement, a consensus, on what the un should decrease what would happen in the conflict between israel and gaza. that boat is due within the hour, we will take you back to life if there any further details. we can speak now tojonathan panikoff, director of the scohcroft middle east security initiative at the atlantic council. good to have you on the programme with us tonight, and i want to talk a bit about talks with the military operations, we've spoken about the humanitarian crisis, but looking at the longer term indications of what is going on there. given your experience, what is your assessment of what is israel's and game in all of what is israel's and game in all of this. we know the international contamination is going as a humanitarian tool grows, i wonder how israel will respond with an eye on in and game and exit for this war. ., ~' on in and game and exit for this war. ., ~ , ., on in and game and exit for this war. ., ~ i. ., ., war. thank you for having me, i think that _ war. thank you for having me, i think that is — war. thank you for having me, i think that is a _ war. thank you for having me, i think that is a big _ war. thank you for having me, i think that is a big question - war. thank you for having me, i think that is a big question that| think that is a big question that everybody still has some israel's and game right now is dedicated to ensuring that hamas is decimated as a military group, is a medicine organisation, that it's terrorist capabilities and terrorist organisation is no longer workable, his command and control centres included under al shifa are not operable and confiscated. but it leaves a big question regarding what happens in gaza next politically in terms of long—term security and the humanitarian situation to stop that is something i think israel, the international community, including the us and uk and others are still working through. lots of questions more than answers as to how you get past the miniature portion of what happens right now. is past the miniature portion of what happens right now.— past the miniature portion of what happens right now. is there a chance of stability here? _ happens right now. is there a chance of stability here? where _ happens right now. is there a chance of stability here? where was - happens right now. is there a chance of stability here? where was so - happens right now. is there a chance of stability here? where was so busy come from? we know there's been a void in the uk parliament, and in the next hour this boat at the un security council, we note it is been difficult for the international community to come together and agree a form of words and recommendation for what happens in this conflict. what hope is there of any short—term stability? in what hope is there of any short-term stabili ? , ., , ., t. stability? in the short term you can hav

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