surrounded by a circle of books. it's appropriate for new skies because _ it's appropriate for new skies because adam fleming is the more intellectual side of the bc, and all these _ intellectual side of the bc, and all these books here, we actually had surprised — these books here, we actually had surprised him out of the mediaeval history— surprised him out of the mediaeval history section, but we are lucky he is here _ history section, but we are lucky he is here now — history section, but we are lucky he is here now. the history section, but we are lucky he is here "ow-— is here now. the funny thing is, we have been — is here now. the funny thing is, we have been sat _ is here now. the funny thing is, we have been sat in _ is here now. the funny thing is, we have been sat in front _ is here now. the funny thing is, we have been sat in front of— is here now. the funny thing is, we have been sat in front of the - have been sat in front of the computing section, so i don't know how good yourjavascript per programming is. we will catch up with one newsnight is doing on what is happening in the general election campaign today. heirs is happening in the general election campaign today-— is happening in the general election campaign today. new skies from the bbc. campaign today. new skies from the sac. hello, — campaign today. new skies from the sac. hello, it's— campaign today. new skies from the sac. hello, it's adam _ campaign today. new skies from the bbc. hello, it's adam in _ campaign today. new skies from the | bbc. hello, it's adam in birmingham. hello it's victoria _ bbc. hello, it's adam in birmingham. hello it's victoria in _ bbc. hello, it's adam in birmingham. hello it's victoria in eminem. - bbc. hello, it's adam in birmingham. hello it's victoria in eminem. and - hello it's victoria in eminem. and it's nick in — hello it's victoria in eminem. and it's nick in birmingham. this - hello it's victoria in eminem. and it's nick in birmingham. this is i it's nick in birmingham. this is where you _ it's nick in birmingham. this is where you started _ it's nick in birmingham. this is where you started out - it's nick in birmingham. this is where you started out as - it's nick in birmingham. this is where you started out as a - where you started out as a journalist. i where you started out as a journalist-— where you started out as a “ournalist. ., �* ., journalist. i love birmingham, i worked here — journalist. i love birmingham, i worked here in _ journalist. i love birmingham, i worked here in my _ journalist. i love birmingham, i worked here in my first - journalist. i love birmingham, i worked here in my first job - journalist. i love birmingham, i worked here in my first job as l journalist. i love birmingham, i worked here in my first job as a worked here in my firstjob as a report on radio, commercial radio, as you know, had no staff, i was the only reporter and comparative bbc local radio, there loads of reporters, so we were so hungry. i had sharp elbows, that's where i developed my sharp elbows. what developed my sharp elbows. what was our developed my sharp elbows. what was your favourite — developed my sharp elbows. what was your favourite story _ developed my sharp elbows. what was your favourite story from _ developed my sharp elbows. what was your favourite story from that. ? - developed my sharp elbows. what was your favourite story from that. ? it - your favourite story from that. ? it was all quite serious stuff, it was the tail end, this is showing my age, the west midlands serious crime squad and the corruption involved in that birmingham is a mega new dispatch, superb use to was around the rotunda and the roads here. band the rotunda and the roads here. and nick, politicaljournalist, part of many tory political conferences. that's right, after the political parties — that's right, after the political parties moved away from the seaside i parties moved away from the seaside i pined _ parties moved away from the seaside i pined for— parties moved away from the seaside i pined for blackbird —— blackpool, it has— i pined for blackbird —— blackpool, it has been— i pined for blackbird —— blackpool, it has been fascinated, near of the last 15_ it has been fascinated, near of the last 15 years, just scale of development. as the incredible economic— development. as the incredible economic development going on and it is the _ economic development going on and it is the new. _ economic development going on and it is the new, by the side of the old, but the _ is the new, by the side of the old, but the great thing about birmingham are the _ but the great thing about birmingham are the waterways that you just don't _ are the waterways that you just don't see — are the waterways that you just don't see them, they are not obvious, _ don't see them, they are not obvious, but once you know the waterways, incredible.- obvious, but once you know the waterways, incredible. more canals in venice, waterways, incredible. more canals in venice. is— waterways, incredible. more canals in venice, is that _ waterways, incredible. more canals in venice, is that true? _ waterways, incredible. more canals in venice, is that true? it _ waterways, incredible. more canals in venice, is that true? it probably| in venice, is that true? it probably is true. we would go virtually from birmingham to scotland, because the snp launched their manifesto for the election, and the of course was ready steady james cook, hello james. hello, item. do you want to tell us about the vibe launch? the lunch was here _ tell us about the vibe launch? the lunch was here in edinburgh, a place on the _ lunch was here in edinburgh, a place on the outskirts _ lunch was here in edinburgh, a place on the outskirts of— lunch was here in edinburgh, a place on the outskirts of the _ lunch was here in edinburgh, a place on the outskirts of the city, - lunch was here in edinburgh, a place on the outskirts of the city, which i on the outskirts of the city, which i on the outskirts of the city, which i was _ on the outskirts of the city, which i was told — on the outskirts of the city, which i was told was _ on the outskirts of the city, which i was told was a _ on the outskirts of the city, which i was told was a bakery— on the outskirts of the city, which i was told was a bakery and - i was told was a bakery and cultural centre. _ i was told was a bakery and cultural centre. which— i was told was a bakery and cultural centre. which i_ i was told was a bakery and cultural centre, which i didn't _ i was told was a bakery and cultural centre, which i didn't understand, i centre, which i didn't understand, do you _ centre, which i didn't understand, do you know— centre, which i didn't understand, do you know what _ centre, which i didn't understand, do you know what type _ centre, which i didn't understand, do you know what type mints, - centre, which i didn't understand, j do you know what type mints, but centre, which i didn't understand, - do you know what type mints, but the pastries _ do you know what type mints, but the pastries were — do you know what type mints, but the pastries were good, _ do you know what type mints, but the pastries were good, not _ do you know what type mints, but the pastries were good, not much - do you know what type mints, but the pastries were good, not much i - do you know what type mints, but the pastries were good, not much i can. pastries were good, not much i can tell you. _ pastries were good, not much i can tell you. and — pastries were good, not much i can tell you. and the _ pastries were good, not much i can tell you, and the vibe, _ pastries were good, not much i can tell you, and the vibe, it— pastries were good, not much i can tell you, and the vibe, it was- pastries were good, not much i can tell you, and the vibe, it was busy, j tell you, and the vibe, it was busy, lots of— tell you, and the vibe, it was busy, lots of snp — tell you, and the vibe, it was busy, lots of snp politicians _ tell you, and the vibe, it was busy, lots of snp politicians there, - tell you, and the vibe, it was busy, lots of snp politicians there, not . lots of snp politicians there, not 'ust lots of snp politicians there, not justjohn — lots of snp politicians there, not just john swinney. _ lots of snp politicians there, not just john swinney, the _ lots of snp politicians there, not justjohn swinney, the leader, i lots of snp politicians there, not . justjohn swinney, the leader, who was in _ justjohn swinney, the leader, who was in charge — justjohn swinney, the leader, who was in charge of— justjohn swinney, the leader, who was in charge of the _ justjohn swinney, the leader, who was in charge of the launch - justjohn swinney, the leader, who was in charge of the launch but - justjohn swinney, the leader, whol was in charge of the launch but they seemed _ was in charge of the launch but they seemed pretty— was in charge of the launch but they seemed pretty buoyant, _ was in charge of the launch but they seemed pretty buoyant, it - was in charge of the launch but they seemed pretty buoyant, it seemed. seemed pretty buoyant, it seemed relatively— seemed pretty buoyant, it seemed relatively slick, _ seemed pretty buoyant, it seemed relatively slick, it _ seemed pretty buoyant, it seemed relatively slick, it went _ seemed pretty buoyant, it seemed relatively slick, it went off, - seemed pretty buoyant, it seemed relatively slick, it went off, from . relatively slick, it went off, from their— relatively slick, it went off, from their perspective, _ relatively slick, it went off, from their perspective, without - relatively slick, it went off, from their perspective, without a - relatively slick, it went off, from i their perspective, without a hitch. the document— their perspective, without a hitch. the document is— their perspective, without a hitch. the document is shiny. _ their perspective, without a hitch. the document is shiny. it's- their perspective, without a hitch. the document is shiny. it's not. their perspective, without a hitch. i the document is shiny. it's not very long. _ the document is shiny. it's not very long. only— the document is shiny. it's not very long. only 20 — the document is shiny. it's not very long. only 20 pages _ the document is shiny. it's not very long, only 20 pages long, - the document is shiny. it's not very long, only 20 pages long, and - the document is shiny. it's not very long, only 20 pages long, and i- the document is shiny. it's not very| long, only 20 pages long, and i said tojohn _ long, only 20 pages long, and i said to john swinney. _ long, only 20 pages long, and i said to john swinney, it _ long, only 20 pages long, and i said to john swinney, it smells _ long, only 20 pages long, and i said tojohn swinney, it smells of- tojohn swinney, it smells of ink, he said" — tojohn swinney, it smells of ink, he said" well, _ tojohn swinney, it smells of ink, he said" well, it's _ tojohn swinney, it smells of ink, he said" well, it's been - tojohn swinney, it smells of ink, i he said" well, it's been printed, so it would" _ he said" well, it's been printed, so it would! — he said" well, it's been printed, so it would". �* he said" well, it's been printed, so it would". ~ ., ., _ ., it would". also, we have a copy to the fair, it would". also, we have a copy to the fair. not _ it would". also, we have a copy to the fair, not in _ it would". also, we have a copy to the fair, not in colour, _ it would". also, we have a copy to the fair, not in colour, saving - the fair, not in colour, saving money on the printing, and nick has the open—ended page independence, right at the front, not the first page got but the first few. the first page. _ page got but the first few. the first page, james has it there, it says— first page, james has it there, it says vote — first page, james has it there, it says vote snp for scotland to become an independent country, so if you were _ an independent country, so if you were in— an independent country, so if you were in any— an independent country, so if you were in any doubt, there it is all. i'm were in any doubt, there it is all. i'm sure— were in any doubt, there it is all. i'm sure james can talk about it, but it— i'm sure james can talk about it, but it talks — i'm sure james can talk about it, but it talks about howjohn swinney is saying _ but it talks about howjohn swinney is saying that if they get a majority of parliamentary seats in this westminster election, that would — this westminster election, that would be — this westminster election, that would be a mandates, as they say, to begin— would be a mandates, as they say, to begin immediate negotiations with the uk _ begin immediate negotiations with the uk government to give democratic effective _ the uk government to give democratic effective the scotland independent. james. _ effective the scotland independent. james, tell us what that paragraph of the manifesto means, because i remember two years ago when nicola sturgeon was first minister and leader of the snp, she said and general election where the snp won the majority of seats in scotland should almost be a referendum and negotiation start straightaway. there has been curious talk about whether— there has been curious talk about whether or— there has been curious talk about whether or not _ there has been curious talk about whether or not the _ there has been curious talk about whether or not the bar— there has been curious talk about whether or not the bar for- whether or not the bar for negotiations— whether or not the bar for negotiations to _ whether or not the bar for negotiations to open - whether or not the bar for negotiations to open on . whether or not the bar for- negotiations to open on scotland simply— negotiations to open on scotland simply succeeded _ negotiations to open on scotland simply succeeded —— _ negotiations to open on scotland simply succeeded —— seceding i negotiations to open on scotland i simply succeeded —— seceding from the rest _ simply succeeded —— seceding from the rest of— simply succeeded —— seceding from the rest of the _ simply succeeded —— seceding from the rest of the united _ simply succeeded —— seceding from the rest of the united kingdom - simply succeeded —— seceding from l the rest of the united kingdom would be a n1ajority— the rest of the united kingdom would be a n1ajority of— the rest of the united kingdom would be a majority of votes _ the rest of the united kingdom would be a majority of votes in _ the rest of the united kingdom would be a majority of votes in a _ the rest of the united kingdom would be a majority of votes in a scottish i be a majority of votes in a scottish referendum. — be a majority of votes in a scottish referendum, which— be a majority of votes in a scottish referendum, which is— be a majority of votes in a scottish referendum, which is obviously a i referendum, which is obviously a much _ referendum, which is obviously a much higher— referendum, which is obviously a much higher bar— referendum, which is obviously a much higher bar than _ referendum, which is obviously a much higher bar than the - referendum, which is obviously ai much higher bar than the majority referendum, which is obviously a i much higher bar than the majority of the 57 _ much higher bar than the majority of the 57 scotches _ much higher bar than the majority of the 57 scotches seats _ much higher bar than the majority of the 57 scotches seats that _ much higher bar than the majority of the 57 scotches seats that are - much higher bar than the majority of the 57 scotches seats that are beingi the 57 scotches seats that are being contested _ the 57 scotches seats that are being contested this — the 57 scotches seats that are being contested this time _ the 57 scotches seats that are being contested this time around, - the 57 scotches seats that are being contested this time around, so i the 57 scotches seats that are being contested this time around, so in. contested this time around, so in that sense. — contested this time around, so in that sense. yes. _ contested this time around, so in that sense, yes, we _ contested this time around, so in that sense, yes, we have - contested this time around, so in that sense, yes, we have pretty. contested this time around, so in- that sense, yes, we have pretty much heard _ that sense, yes, we have pretty much heard this _ that sense, yes, we have pretty much heard this before. _ that sense, yes, we have pretty much heard this before. what _ that sense, yes, we have pretty much heard this before. what i _ that sense, yes, we have pretty much heard this before. what i wanted i that sense, yes, we have pretty much heard this before. what i wanted to i heard this before. what i wanted to know _ heard this before. what i wanted to know from — heard this before. what i wanted to know from a — heard this before. what i wanted to know from a john _ heard this before. what i wanted to know from a john swinney, - heard this before. what i wanted to| know from a john swinney, because heard this before. what i wanted to i know from a john swinney, because it was not _ know from a john swinney, because it was not totally— know from a john swinney, because it was not totally clear— know from a john swinney, because it was not totally clear in _ know from a john swinney, because it was not totally clear in the _ know from a john swinney, because it was not totally clear in the text, i was not totally clear in the text, when _ was not totally clear in the text, when you — was not totally clear in the text, when you look— was not totally clear in the text, when you look at _ was not totally clear in the text, when you look at the _ was not totally clear in the text, when you look at the text - was not totally clear in the text, when you look at the text it i was not totally clear in the text, | when you look at the text it says was not totally clear in the text, i when you look at the text it says if the snp _ when you look at the text it says if the snp wins — when you look at the text it says if the snp wins a _ when you look at the text it says if the snp wins a majority _ when you look at the text it says if the snp wins a majority of - when you look at the text it says if| the snp wins a majority of scottish seats. _ the snp wins a majority of scottish seats. the — the snp wins a majority of scottish seats, the scottish _ the snp wins a majority of scottish seats, the scottish government. the snp wins a majority of scottish i seats, the scottish government would be empowered — seats, the scottish government would be empowered to _ seats, the scottish government would be empowered to begin— seats, the scottish government would be empowered to begin immediate i be empowered to begin immediate negotiates— be empowered to begin immediate negotiates of— be empowered to begin immediate negotiates of the _ be empowered to begin immediate negotiates of the uk _ be empowered to begin immediate negotiates of the uk government i be empowered to begin immediatel negotiates of the uk government to -ive negotiates of the uk government to give democratic— negotiates of the uk government to give democratic effective _ negotiates of the uk government to give democratic effective to - give democratic effective to scotland _ give democratic effective to scotland becoming - give democratic effective to scotland becoming an - give democratic effective to - scotland becoming an independent country— scotland becoming an independent country stub — scotland becoming an independent country stub i_ scotland becoming an independent country stub i wanted _ scotland becoming an i