americans dominating the competition. the bees first indian american champion who now leads an organization dedicated to getting students in that community to the top of that contest is with us. >> like if word of that all right. have a great show, victor. >> thank you very much. let's start right now well, first of all, you can cannot credibly campaign on law and order and claim the justice system is rigged because you don't agree with the jury's verdict. >> but ahead of his felony sentencing on july 11, former president donald trump is doing just that if they can do this to me, they can do this to anyone these are bad people these are in many cases, i believe sick people where trump and his supporters wrongfully see persecution here. >> other see accountability. >> but my first guest today sees karma. >> raymond santana, along with korey wise and try and mccrae kevin richardson, and yusef salaam were teenagers when they were charged, tried, and convicted, or beating and raping a woman in central park in 1989 donald trump paid for a full page ads in new york city newspapers. he called for the death penalty to be reinstated in new york. trump wanted these boys killed in 2000 to a convicted rapists and murderers confessed to the central park rape. and the central park five became the exonerated five. but trump has never acknowledged their innocence or apologized a raymond santana, one of the exonerated five is with me now, ramy. good morning to you and thank you for spending a couple of minutes with me. we've now had about 36 hours since the verdicts were red what now is your reaction after you've had some time to think about it? >> first off, good morning victor. thank you for having me you know, for me, it was about comma. it was the example of this is what happens when rich billionaires, who stand on white privilege now have to answer, right? so it becomes a surreal moment. it also becomes a a moment where you just got to take it in, right? this is the stuff that we had to deal with of 1989, go to trial, hearing the conviction right. even a guilty verdict. and then now having to sit there and wait for sentencing i understand that process. all too well i think now it's like you get to see a person of donald trump's stature, right? who was a former president and now you get to see that he's not above the law, that he can be touched. right? that he can have this experience that very similar to mind it becomes it becomes a moment that is a surreal moment it's a full circle moment for me as soon as i posted on my social media that you were going to be joining me this morning there were more than a few people who said, well, they need to now take out the ad. it's time for the exonerated five to pay for these full page ads. i'm sure you got the same thing. what do you tell people who say turn it on him and you take out the yeah, 100%, you know, i mean, these ads, this was the $85,000 page ad i was calling to reinstate the death penalty for 14 and 15-year-old kids. >> i think for me it's tasteless to call for the death penalty for donald trump and then also these people wanted to take out these ads and his newspapers and these were the same newspapers and 1989 who wrote the most outrageous headlines to sell papers. so they will also decide in a contributing factor to i will conviction. so why would i go and spend promotional dallas. dallas to put an ad with the same newspapers we will call it also for us to be to be guilty do you have thoughts on sentencing? >> if you had your druthers, what the punishment would be for donald trump i mean, a perfect world, but loved the seat down trunk, go to prison. >> but i have to be realistic, right? this is his first felony, even though is 34 counts so we know that there's a range when it comes to sentencing. we do understand that portion for me. the only thing that i think about now is that not at donald trump had experienced the criminal justice system. now that he has dealt with prosecutors, dealt with the court system itself said that is rigged acts for vineyard you change, right. said that there's no respect he called it he caught he said it was a rig decision. and so now that he has gone through this experience and he has experienced the criminal justice system. and its toll is almost totality i want to ask them, do you think that we're still guilty? >> wow. all right. youtube that the criminal justice system is a correct. >> that's an interesting point because there are some people i've had black republicans on this show who've told me that because of their experience is black and brown peoples experiences with the criminal justice system. and when trump says it's rigged, that his rhetoric in dears him to them, that they sympathize or empathize with him. what would you tell the black and brown voters who are more likely to vote for him simply because he says the system's rigged against me. it's rigged against you. and now we have some relationship because of that and tries to get their vote through his lies about the president setting this up for his political take-down. >> well, i mean, at the end of the day, he hasn't really talked about criminal justice reform now that he has experienced it, you don't have come out in the nauta criminal justice system has had he said, alright, by getting offers, i'm going to change the system. he has he has doubled down on other policies to reinforce the system. you know, he's talking about giving police officers the immunity. >> immunity means that technical issue there. unfortunately, with raymond santana, one of the exonerated five reacting to the conviction of a former president trump. my thanks to raymond santana for being with me this morning all right. now, president biden mentioned the exonerated five in a speech this week. he's warning black voters about what he calls donald trump's racist and toxic agenda. watch this what would happen if black americans a storm the capitol i don't think he'd be talking about pardons this thank guy wanted to tear gas, you as you peacefully protest at george floyd's murder. the same guy who still calls the central park five guilty, even though they're exonerated he's that landlord or denies housing application because of the color your skin he's, that guy who won't say black lives matter and evokes nail nazi third reich terms well, that speech was the launch of black voters for biden harris, the big kickoff was in a state that he's returned to again and again since he took office pennsylvania and joining me now is pennsylvania state representative malcolm kenyatta. he is a member of the biden harris campaigns national advisory board representative. good to see you again. before we get into pennsylvania tuple black voters, let me start here and we'll pick up a little bit because i've got some more time left. unfortunately, the last name interview ended unexpectedly how much should the campaign invoke this criminal conviction, this felony status or felon status for donald trump, do you think that should be central to the message that the president takes to voters for the next several months listen ultimately what we saw in that trial with something that's very important for every single american to see the justice system working for a long time. >> i heard people sort of opine. there was no way that our system can handle i'm doing what democracies around the world have done. and that's hold everybody accountable, even former nationwide leaders, we've seen it across the world and tragically, now we've seen it here in the united states. it's, it's not great to have a person running for president is it a who has been convicted of 34 felonies by a jury of their peers, but ultimately, this election is going to be about people looking around. their living room at the people they love best in the world, and answering a very serious question about who they think cares about them and has the capacity to advance a real agenda that makes their lives better. and so i think the answer to that clearly, plainly is joe biden, the president is going to go out and make that case every single day but certainly these 34 felony convictions are a piece of the puzzle that people are going to have to use to make a decision. but this is going to be decided at the ballot box not in the courtroom. >> let's talk about the commonwealth of pennsylvania. now, you've called it the center of the political universe it's a lot harder for a democrat to win the white house without it is that, that element of the blue wall, the president and has been there 39 times since taking office. in 2021 but it's still very tight. what is he getting out of this? it was tightened 2016, tight, twice typed in 2020, but what is the challenge that the president is having that? are these visits paying off, that it's still so close compared to the times of donald trump has been there far fewer well, listen, i look forward to the president's 40 visit back to back to his home. and so we love, we love having the president here. and i think a part of the reason pennsylvania is not just important place to visit, but an important backdrop is because pennsylvania really does look like this country he looked geographically, racially and you see america represented right here in pennsylvania. and also pennsylvania. i always say this, we have a special responsibility to protect, preserve, and expand this fundamental experiment in democracy. the president understands that. and what he did the other day is gonna be a big part of the strategy the president during his speech went through a list of things that donald trump has lied about, really trying to take credit for the president's record. and so i think there's a lot of mythbusting that needs to be done and is going to continue to be done by the president by me and by many others who are going to go out and tell this president's record, wish joe biden, that actually got the largest investment and infrastructure that we've ever seen. donald trump talked about it, talk about it, but joe biden got it done. joe biden, lower in the cost of prescription drugs taken on a big pharmaceutical companies winning josiah, actually putting checks and the people hands, slides and tried to take credit to take to voters. let me ask you about this though. this disparity in the reaction from black voters in the latest new york times sienna college poll, in which president biden, if they had to vote on the de in which they were asked, black voters 50% would vote for president biden, but the democratic senator bob casey, there is it 72%? why is president biden performance so much worse than the other statewide democrat on the ballot. 12th, 22 points behind let's, let me tell you this i am a young black man from north philadelphia who also happens to be running statewide here in pennsylvania, i spent a lot of time going around this commonwealth to every single corner and pocket. >> and i'm telling you this vector here today. joe biden is going to win pennsylvania and he's going to win black voters overwhelmingly. but joe biden is doing something that me and folks you've interviewed for years have asked politicians to do don't take anybody for granted, don't take black voters for granted, don't start talking to black voters in october. it assuming that they're going to come out in support you, you have to make a case and that's what this president is doing. he's not saying to anybody who you voted for me four years ago. of course, you're voting for me four years later. i don't need to talk to you know? he's talking to every single voter including black voters, about the stakes of this election, about his vision for the future, and about his capacity to actually get things done. donald trump beyond anything else. >> he does not have the capacity to be president. >> he doesn't know what's going on. he doesn't understand the issues, but more than anything else, he 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deputies and an officer were charged for brutally torturing and abusing two black men near jackson but more than two dozen other people told the papers something similar happened to them the report is found conversations that went back years and some of the deputies in the chat are still in the department joining me now is brian howard. >> he's a local investigations fellow with the new york times and investigative reporter at mississippi today. and the mississippi center for investigative reporting. brian, good morning. do you think thank you for this work you're doing and for speaking with me first, the department of justice found that the abuse and the attacks on michael jenkins and eddie parker were planned in a group chat. have they found evidence that what they discuss in these group chats actually happened at there really are other victims tell us it's about your reporting thanks so much for having me, victor the contents of the group chat have not been connected to any real-world events that we're aware of save for the michael jenkins and eddie parker and so we're not entirely clear whether the whatsapp chat that was used to plan the michael jenkins and eddie parker incident was the same as the one that we've unveiled this week. >> what we do know though, is that the content of the chat, the jokes that deputies were making? bear striking similarities to what we uncovered over the past two decades here in rankin county deputies joking about tasing people in the face and genitals joking about kidnapping people. they didn't like joking about making a game out of shooting people or handcuffing people beating them up. these mirror are the allocations that we discovered from the accounts of at least 22 people over the course of 18 years here in rankin county let me show one example of an exchange you found where they're talking about turning the job into a game where one asks how many points is a shootout? >> another says depends if they die or not. one more times, then they'll die another, they die, and then hahaha at the end. do we know if there is a possibility of consequences for people other than the officer and the deputies who are already responsible, being held responsible for the attacks on michael jenkins and eddie parker what's the sheriff's office saying about that well we know that the department of justice is continuing its investigation into the rankin county sheriff's department. >> they recently held a town hall asking for local residents to come forward with information about incidents involving deputies at the department in terms of the sheriff's office? after we brought the results of our most recent investigation to them, they released a statement saying that the sheriff's office have conducted a review of its deputies are review that they say is ongoing and had found that the actions of their current employees are and will remain proper as they serve the citizens of rankin county now, i want to put this in context. this statement is coming