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whereas you are assessing the evidence that he was guilty the majority because the martin majority of the questions was was he what was he when he filled out that form at the gunshot. okay. and he listed no, he was not. it was not it attic when it said are you a unlawful addiction to drugs or are you addicted to drugs? >> well, i first read the first one and x hearing all the evidence, i believed that he was and he did knowingly by the gun, knowing that he was a drug addict. >> i want to get your take on naomi biden's testimony. what is your so estimate of the defense's decision to put her on the stand, how did that impact your decision it did not impact our decision that much. >> i felt i felt bad that they put naomi on trial witness i i think that was probably a strategy that should not have been done no no daughter should ever have to testify or again sir, dad so do you think that hunter biden should go to jail after this verdict? well, i was talking earlier and i deliberating, i was we were not thinking of the sentencing and no, i really don't think that hundred belongs in jail if you if you if you look at this case and you realize that one, haley haley dump that the gun in a trash can and it was retrieved and hunter biden did not want to press charges because he was the victim of theft of the firearm he did not want to press any charges against aly and another thing that i also thought was they asked him did you want your gun back? and he said no, he did not once a gun back when he said he did not want that gun back and gun sayyed in evidence for almost five years i think that may have been what led to his downfall had he had he taken possession of that gun? i don't know if we would even have trial because, you know, or he may have sold the gun, got rid of the gun, sold it back to a gun shop or whatever and it wasn't like it was sitting in evidence. >> i just think i believe that beans that was sitting in evidence and somebody got a hold of that and say, hey, let's let's check this out a little bit more and see exactly how he obtained that gun. >> what do you think of this case overall? i mean, do you think that this was a legitimate use? this a taxpayer resources to bring this case yes i do believe it what once they found out that, you know, hundred baltic a gun. >> and did he did he buy it legally? was. he an attic was addicted to crack when he purchased it and that was the biggest factor in this whole case. and that's what the whole case was about. and. so all 12 jurors did agree that yes, he know on laying bought a gun when he was an attic or he was addicted to drugs cnn's paula reid is live outside of the federal courthouse in delaware. it's fascinating paula, to hear and those questions that you had for juror number ten, to hear, what happened behind closed doors, to hear the jurors thinking on this drives elliot williams, who said sitting next to me completely not because it is something that he will talk about how this could actually imperil the prosecution's case if it comes to an appeal, but tell us what more jurors are saying after this conviction. >> yeah, that's where the legalistic instincts are in conflict with journalistic instincts. i got to this all the de, all day long, so i understand how kids concerns. we'll look at so important for people to hear exactly how they came to this store decision because this case has come under a lot of criticism. and while that juror said that he believes that yes, this was a legitimate pursuit, a different juror told our colleague, hanna, event awaits had they did not believe that this was hey, good use of taxpayer resources. and we learned from the jurors that initially when they did their first pole of the jurors yesterday as they began deliberations, they were split six six and then this morning when they came back, it was actually 111 in favor of conviction. and then they focused on that one juror who had concerns about whether prosecutors had proven beyond a real his novel doubt that hunter biden knowingly lied on this atf for of they focused on that juror and then were able to build consensus. but learning about this process, yes. this will likely be used by defense attorneys on appeal, but this is fascinating because we were also able to ask that juror if politics weighed on any of these jurors while they made there their deliberations made their decision. and here that juror said, no, president joe biden's name only came up once during deliberations. now, it's interesting that that juror also does not think that hunter biden should go to jail as a result of this? again, i don't think that that is going to be considered too weighty of actor when his sentence is calculated, but it's notable because we've heard even high profile republicans today, like a representative matt gaetz, criticizing this case. earlier in the trials under lindsey graham, a staunch trump opponents said, yeah, i look, i think that the los angeles tax case, that is something that should be pursued, but he said, here this gun case, no good can come from this. so it is really interesting to hear from the people who had to ultimately make the decision how they came to this decision, i think it is really important thing. who were the american people to understand, but i completely agree with elliott. this will likely be used by hundreds lawyers on appeal and we will discuss that with elliot williams in just a moment. paula reid from the courthouse in wilmington. thank you so much. let's go to the white house though, because president biden will soon head to wilmington, delaware after his son's convictions, cnn's kevin lip tack joins us now, live. kevin, the president reiterated support for his son yeah, and we did see the president speaking at this gun violence event just a few moments ago, he really belied none of the anguish that we know that he has been feeling behind the scenes as this case has proceeded, but he did make one interesting mentioned, i thought of his son beau talking about how he had died trying to relate with parents who had experienced the loss of their own children from gun violence that really was the closest he came in that speech to talking about some of the circumstances against which this trial was unfolding, because we know that hunter biden's addiction, which is really at the center of this case, really began when his brother beau in 2015. >> so you heard in the president's voice when he said it's hard you know, there is a reflection there of the circumstances that he was talking in. now, we did here the president in a written statement which has been his preferred mode of communication about this case reared reiterating support for his son of the president said, as i said, said last week, i am the president, but i am also a dad. jill and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today. so many families who have had lunch, loved ones battle addiction. understand the feeling of pride seeing someone you love come out on the other side and be so strong and resilient and recovery. the president went on to say, as i also so said last week, i will accept the outcome of this case and i will continue to respect the judicial process as hunter continue considers an appeal, jill and i will always be there for hunter and the rest of our family with love and support. and the president concludes, nothing will ever change that. so you see the president really viewing this through the lens of a father, not necessarily as a president and two important things in the statement they talk about how so many americans have suffered similar experiences with addiction, trying to connect their own experience with that trauma that so many other families have suffered but also saying very explicitly, i will accept the outcome of this case, trying to make a very clear distinction between what's happening in wilmington today and former president trump's own criminal convictions in new york. of course, trump has called the system rigged. president biden wanting to make very clear that he views this as a he legitimate jury outcome. he did speak a little bit to that last week in an interview listen to what he said back then let me ask you, will you accept the jury's outcome, their verdict, no matter what it is? >> yes. >> and have you ruled out a pardon for your son yes. you have to very terse yeses in that answer, all reflecting, i think the painful saga that this verdict now punctuates, guys all right, kevin, thank you so much. >> we do appreciate that. and let's bring in our legal experts. now we have elliot williams, khuza'a cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, and duncan 11, who was a former federal prosecutor and criminal defense attorney duncan to you questions, right now, this conviction is raising for you when what we should expect to head with sentencing and also the other case that hunter biden is facing yeah. >> i mean, it's highly unlikely that he's going to see jail time off of this case. and the reason for that largely is the genesis of this this was a case that frankly is very sad. it's a case about addiction. and while it's a legally correct verdict, i think even this judge who's done a lot to hobble the defense here, we'll see this as a human tragedy. i mean, this is a case that started really because of a finding of a gun dumpster tossed into a dumpster by his den girl friend hayley biden, who's his sister-in-law. he is the one who took steps to have it retrieved and that's what started this case in the first place. this is a case that was supposed to end in a plea agreement with pretrial diversion. he was not supposed to see any jail time at all on it and that police fell apart in large measure because the parties wanted judged nor hey, got to be in charge of deciding whether he was in compliance with that plea agreement or not. so it fell apart and went to trial, but i don't think there's any reason to believe that there should be a trial penalty here that because he went to trial, which really wasn't a his choice, that he should wind up with any significant jail time as a result of it. going to trial rather than going through pretrial diversion, which would have resulted in absolutely no jail time. he's still looking at significant jail time in september where he is expected to be charged, tried in california on three felony counts of tax evasion and failure to file. that is a case that is actually giving him far more grave legal consequences in this one you agree? >> i do certainly the point that the california case, brynn, far more grave legal consequences. >> now it's hard to know exactly how the sentencing guideline range for this charge will be calculated. we've been going back as you know, we've been sitting you're going back and forth with some my colleagues, other attorneys and former prosecutors as to whether it would be at the zero 026 month range, which would be at the bottom of the federal sentencing guideline range, or probably more likely at the 15 to 21 month range, depending on which enhanced minutes or whatever else that goes into the sentence. but needless to say, it's not a very long sentence. this whole idea that he might get 25 years in prison as the statute says, that's not going to happen. but certainly the far greater case and bigger peril for 100 biden is that california tribe duncan to you? >> we heard a moment ago from some of the jurors and they sort of reflect it on their own internal deliberation. >> and what the conversation was like in the room. i'm wondering what you took the away from what they shared with cnn well, i mean, obviously they took it very seriously. >> it sounds to me like politics did not seep into this switch on the one hand is something that you would expect because they took it seriously, but also delaware is biden central, the defendant's father is has a photograph hanging on the lobby of the courthouse where the jurors enter every day, everybody knows let's who they are. the first lady of the united states is sitting in attendance at the trial for them to ignore it is something that is commendable. they the case itself was very strong. it was a legally strong and sound case that the prosecutors put forth. you can obviously question the politics of how it got to go to trial in the first place. but they took it seriously. they looked at the evidence and i think the fact that politics did not play into their deliberation says a lot about how they looked at the evidence and took it seriously one of the jurors referred to the first lady is jill. these delaware eons are on a first-name basis with the first couple and their family members elliott what of what you heard from the jurors? do you think might create issues for the prosecution as they're looking towards this appeals process. i don't think anything creates a clear issue. >> i think the defense attorney is going to take the transcript of our interview here and every word that these jurors say publicly and pick it apart for anything that says that they deviated from considering the facts and the law of the case base. and so all these statements about we didn't think he should go to jail. he did not think this was a sound use of prosecutorial resources may not imperil the conviction, but it still bringing other things into the jury room. now they're human beings and are entitled to their views. and of course, people would go in and say these things amongst each other and so on. now, if you're a defense attorney making appeal, you're making a case that these jurors deviated from discussing the facts and the law, and it's certainly it will be the headline and maybe not the headlining point, but it'll be a big point in the briefs they send up to the appeals court or without question, really interesting, elliott. thank you so much, duncan. 11 great to have you. thank you of course. >> so when we come back more on the fallout from hunter biden's conviction it's they would cnn new central the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes couldn't be higher. >> the president and the former president, one stage two, very different visions for america's future. the cnn presidential debate thursday, june 27th, tonight's life. i'd cnn and streaming unmapped the, whole world. >> is about to burn your team. they are decent people that you would make we all belong with decent this is your last shot at homelander with fast i'm a rusty old, bold hitch and i am barely hanging on it while we're still miles from the leg. >> i'm going to want this right see ya you save money on odd or service and be protected from may happen. yeah. >> like me men tell us when they use just for men to eliminate gray, there's a great before and after. then. there's the after the after that boost you get when you look and feel your best. and that's why more men menchu, just for men oh, carney isolde. >> it's gotten me. i saw them. that's what i said. god-man, to gardenias one, second, grandma, this guy's gonna buy my car. okay. do you need car bomber entering plate number no accidents, right? 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