time is anybody going to watch the debate biden zeros then what trump? >> trail, which is four days left sloss. >> great expectations joe biden and this debate will make clear the and trust to pollsters break down the candidates targets how should i handle him? >> should i be taught for nasty or should i be nice? and calm? and let him speak as we have new reporting on a key vulnerability for biden. and rough draft, this is no pie in the sky proposal but congress expand conscription. two women inside politics, the best reporting from inside the corridors of power starts now good morning. >> welcome inside politics sunday. manu raju. it is now officially debate week and ahead of thursday, a day that could change the trajectory of a race that has been deadlocked for months. the two candidates are spending their final days much differently president joe biden has been engaged in intensive preparations behind closed doors. at camp. david, huddling with no fewer than 16 advisors and holding 90 minute mark debates former president trump meanwhile, has spent this past weekend onstage speaking to a christian audience in dc before rubbing, revving up his base at a rally in philadelphia. and that's where we begin this morning. steve contorno, who joins me from philadelphia. so steve, you were in the room last night. what does trump have to say about the debate? >> well, mono entering last night's rally, trump, as you said, spoke to a dc off audience, also stopped for philly cheese takes making that sort of traditional pennsylvania campaign, stop getting an a full day of campaigning on his final saturday before this debate. and clearly he enjoyed juxtaposing how he spent his day versus joe biden's more studious approach. listen to what he told his rally last night right now, crooked joe's gone to a log cabin to study, prepare. no, he didn't do his sleeping now because they want to get him good and strong so a little before debate time, he gets a shot. the and that's they wanted to strengthen them up so he comes out, he'll come out. >> okay i say he'll come out all jacked up right all jacked trump yesterday also said that he for the first the first time trump also said he has made a decision on who who will be his vice presidential pick telling that philly cheesesteak, proud that he has a decision quote in his mind, though he hasn't told that person yet nor is he ready to tell while the public, but interestingly, all the potential contenders will appear at a debate. >> watch party thursday for president trump, including the three people that we have heard are leading front row honors, j.d. vance of ohio, senator marco rubio of florida, and north dakota governor doug burgum, lotto. >> all right. see, you can turn on philadelphia. thanks so much. and let's break this all down with new york magazine's olivia nude. see cnn's jeff zeleny, cnn political director david chaldean, and susan pays from usa today. >> good morning, guys. >> to be here. for you to join us. thanks for being here it's totally interesting because we know we've been watching trump and everything that he said over the campaign season, of course, inside politics, viewers have been watching everything that donald trump has been saying and the like. >> but there's so many viewers who are going to tune in on thursday for the first time really year harris in hearing what trump has the same they may have actually two now what trump has to say, he is laboratory to reach those viewers, those kenny meet that moment though well, i think it is an extraordinarily important moment for both candidates. >> i think that this race, as we know, has been remarkably stable and i think to your point, manu one of the reasons why i think the biden campaign wanted to debate earlier than ever in presidential history in terms of a general election, is to do exactly that, is to try and wake up voters who have been disengaged in this and put the contrast on display between these two men, the biden campaign of course, thinks that contrast works for them the trump team is quite eager to have the contrast with biden on the stage as well. you just heard donald trump team that up, that he's sleeping at the log cabin. i mean, they're hoping the contrast and stamina and biden's hoping for our contrast in terms of sort of chaos versus a more steady hand and you're done welcome to the biden campaign, but irregularly, how do they see it? with a log cabin he was talking about as camp david. that's where president biden is spending the weekend preparing, look what they've been trying to do for months without much success really, as david said, it's been a stable race for all that's happened in this race to convictions a war, other things. >> it has been remarked markedly stable. a lot of that is some voters are not engaged, are interested what the biden campaign is hoping is to shake some of those democratic voters get the base back around him by reminding what donald trump was like, but also talking about what he has pledged for a potential second term. so one of the interesting things talking to a variety of biden advisers, they said, obviously the biggest challenge for president is defending his own record. four years ago it was all about trump. this year. it's all about biden, but biden has been the president, has been internalizing and studying a lot of what trump has been saying at the rallies and other things. so he's trying to make this of course, about trump. but the reality is now it's about biden's records. so that is kind of this split-screen moment. >> and what we saw just because there's no rally crowd here, there's no audience. and what does trump still trying to cater to his base as he does every time and time again, if you did this past weekend and throwing, you read me, going after migrants and saying things like this. >> if i took this shared of you'd see a beautiful, beautiful person. >> but you'd see wounds all over all over me. i've taken a lot of wounds. i can tell you more than i suspect any president ever trump was treated the worst andrew jackson second, and abraham lincoln there. but i definitely took taps but have an idea. why don't you set up a migrant league? he didn't like that idea too much, but actually it's not the worst idea i've ever had i mean, that was last kopan was about the ufc championship leader dana white, about setting up a migrant leading to fight each other out these migrants a fire each other out. >> that aside, i mean what do you think or how trump, is going to approach this and come thursday. >> so that's the donald trump that joe biden hopes shows up at the debate. somebody who's advisers hope some of his buddies hoping that donald trump does not yes, that's trump's some trump advisers would like a slightly different calibrated trump to show up. >> but the biden camp would like a trump to show up. who is focused on grievances against him, not the problems that americans face and say things that seemed just a little nutty like this idea of a, of a fighting league and of course the trump will have two different biden's. they want to have sharp. >> one is would not be the one that showed up at the state of the union who looked vigorous and funny and had some rough forte, but rather the biden that sometimes shows up at public appearances that seems less sure footed. >> yeah. and obviously, trump has been saying some of the people in the trump campaign saying lead biden speak, let him speak as he's the one who's going to stumble. >> but trump has a very hard time letting someone else speak. >> yeah, although i think the format of this debate will probably help facilitate a conversation which both parties get some time to speak. >> but the idea that there's some other trump, that there's ever been a presidential pivot is absurd. >> he is the guy who called as for migrants to fight each other on ufc that there's only one donald trump. and i think that i think a lot of americans, i think he's benefited in some ways that the stakes have been so much lower in the post-presidency. he sort of exists as a meme. people forget what it was like every day with this onslaught of news and him threatening to do all manner of unprecedented things. and the majority of people i think who had been paying attention to what he has said, at his rallies are people who really support him, who are inclined to tune and into that type of thing. so i think that the biden campaign, if he can be alert and awake and more like the state of the union biden that you were referring to? i think the biden campaign just have an opportunity here, but that's a big if you look just to take a step back up where this race is. at this moment, there's a fox news poll from earlier this week, just breaking down the voting, how voters see the two men according to this poll. men, trump has an advantage favorable, 15 point advantage over biden women. trump biden according to let's pull up 17 points and then there's the rural, urban divide that has been so persisted for some time. and older voters have been favoring biden in recent polling and including in this 115 points and biden and this one is nine points ahead on the independence david, do think that's an accurate reflection of the race? >> well, i think that it's a no clear leader margin of error are national poll. and that is an accurate reflection of the race. i think we're in a no clear leader national race that is within the margin of error. and i think that you're seeing in a lot of the critical battleground states. we're talking about margin of error stuff as well. so this is a close contest and this is what i mean and what jeff was talking about about it's been that way since the beginning, but you go and look at that same fox poll back in october, it looks very similar. i mean, it eddies it is just not responded to all of the crash of news developments yet partially because of this disengaged factor of voters who really don't like their choices and just aren't signing up to get involved actively in paying attention to what's going on but also, i just think we are in i think we forget a lot. this is our first post covid election. and i just think that in the american psyche, there was a glitch in the matrix that was covid, right? that i don't think we've fully solved for yet. and so i just think we're in a new realm. i know it's two candidates that have faced each other before, but it's a totally new environment for the country in which they're doing not so clear when you go back and watch the debates, the last ones which i did this week, it's been four years since the two have been in the same room. think of all that's happened the insurrection, the dobbs decision, invasion of ukraine, the war in the middle east, the felony convictions on and on. so yes, it is the same people's davidson, but it's an entirely different script here. so this is not the same debate last time it was largely fought around the coronavirus and the trump administration's handling of them. now let's on the economy, on immigration and the biden record. i so if trump says, are you better off now than you were four years ago, that's a difficult question to answer because four years ago at this moment when a quota if virus was happening the summer of 2020 perhaps, but not necessarily in all parts of the trump term. yeah. we were obviously reaching a new point in this campaign, not just what the debate, but also in terms of what we're going to see just said no more onslaught of advertising throughout the these key battleground states there are adviser being placed by biden, by trump's campaign is buying for the first time really since march. and the campaign is starting to put ads in battleground states and some of its trump campaign has been boyd by fundraising. it post conviction, hundred and 41 million biden has a trump has raised in may compared to biden at $85 million. how do you think trump is going to deal with i mean, we know trump's going to deal with conviction question come thursday, he's going to say he was persecuted, biden because he hammer that home on thursday. >> and also, how do we had a donors response? under a conviction, 34 counts of felonies and apparently they respond by thinking this is a great reason to contribute to this candidate. i mean the legal, the legal process in this election has been, i think surprising in that they indictments bolstered trump in the primaries, and that convictions are bolstering him in his efforts to raise money. and that is wipes out a huge advantage that the biden people expect. it is a biden do not think that the trump, do they think that the biden people think that trump conviction? let's trump hurts biden. >> i mean, just objectively, it's hard to say. it helps any candidate to be a convicted felon. but donald trump has been challenging the common sense on that certainly i do think that biden's at risk of overplaying his hand and playing into the perception whether or not it's fair that this is a political persecution. so i think that he should be careful about crowing about that too much. >> all right. we'll see how he deals with it coming up. >> could anything from this historically early debate shake up the polls and shake loose some votes will talk to, to pollsters about what to expect the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes couldn't be higher. the president and the former president, one state to fill three different visions for america's future that cnn presidential debate thursday night at nine live on cnn and streaming on max this is the one who helps everyone stay safe. >> an unsung hero in a building full of everyday heroes is just how he likes it. the industrial great products you need call clicker stopped by granger for the ones who get it done why use ten buckets of water when you can use one fire extinguisher and a fight heartburn, my dig ten and acids throughout the day when you can take one priceless sec for easier heartburn relief, one beats ten, probably less echo gc, one pill 24 hours zero heartburn to give your teeth a dentist clean feeling. >> start with a round brush head ad power, and you've got oral-b round cleans better by surrounding each tooth to remove 100% more plaque for a superior clean oral-b brush like a pro switch to shopify. >> so you can build it better scale is faster and sell more much more take your business to the next stage when you switch to shopify my grimy film on your teeth, dr. g actually the buildup of plaque bacteria which can cause cause cavities. >> most toothpaste quit working in minutes, but cresco helps antibacterial fluoride protects all day stuff, cavities before they start crafts. >> tara loss 42 pounds with life md. >> i've struggled with my weight my entire life. i tried exercising, eating the healthiest of foods then the addiction side of the food comes back. you just search for weight-loss programs and life md came up. you just take your shots. it does feel like you're on a diet when i wasn't expecting it to do was to shut off the food noise. i had gone from 237 to 195. this was life-altering and if i can you what i feel like anybody can do it yet started for just 129 a month. i'd get life md.com this is how a g1 works to upgrade your health routine by combining many quality ingredients into something powerfully simple it's time to get foundation on nutrition at drink a g1 dot com i have relapsing a mess but i still want to spend my time my way. i chose cuts into because it works for me and my schedule keys symptoms at once monthly treatment for rms that have powerful results are reduced rate of relapses and slow disability progression. don't take if you've had an allergic reaction to the tumor, mab life-threatening injection related reaction to key center where have hepatitis b, tell your doctor if you've had hepatitis b as it could come back keys into can cause serious side effects, including fatal infections, while no pml cases he recorded an rms clinical trials. it could happen until your doctor, if you had are planned to have vaccines or if you are or planned to become pregnant, keeps him to may decrease certain antibodies. most common side thanks for upper respiratory tract infection, headache, and injection reactions ask your doctor about key symptom those savings fargo during omaha steaks, fourth of july sale event, where you get 50% off sidewise, save on favorites like are faint in this fork tender filet mignon, juicy chicken breast sides, desserts, and more. >> order now and get aid omaha steaks, burgers, three this forth so july ignite the savings on guarantee perfection from america's original butcher visit, omaha steak.com slash tv. >> today hello free diapers ballpark of free, ultra absorbance super soft, comfy, and secure diapers hello, bella. get your first pack free scan the qr code on your screen. >> now are you certain you can fix that? 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and for that kind of bounce to last for whoever is perceived to have won the race i would expect that we will see slightly fewer undecided voters to the extent that we have even this 34, 5% still out there saying, i truly don't know what i'm going to do. that may after seeing the debate, either have their concerns about biden. okay. my my my mind is it ease those concerns are laid or if trump does really well saying, hey actually maybe i can't see myself putting this guy back in for four years. >> so we could clear up some questions for the type of voter that i would call lower engagement. the foreperson who is not tuning into watch a ton of news all the time. >> they may have pretty clear views of who trump and biden are. but in terms of what they will do a november may still be thinking through that decision. >> is that are you i mean, certainly it is a good moment for a huge number of people who haven't really been paying that much attention, to really see what the contrast is. remind themselves like what trump is like when he's lewis says all reports will be he's not giving a rambling speech by himself. he's forced to engage normally, i'm in a historically president's their first has not been as strong, but the differences trump has not been debating either. if he had been in primary debates against nikki haley as opposed to giving rambling battery battery late in speeches that might be a little bit differ