Transcripts For MSNBC The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell

Transcripts For MSNBC The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell



take as much time as you want. >> i'm done. i'm done. i'm done. >> thank you, rachel. thank you. well, we are going to be joined tonight by congresswoman grace meng, who had a moment today in a house judiciary committee hearing that gave powerful voice to the thoughts and emotions that many asian-americans have experienced this week in particular. you could see in that moment a frustration that had been building for much longer than just this week. congresswoman grace meng took on a republican congressman from texas who tried to change the subject of the hearing, when the subject of the hearing was supposed to be about violence against asian-americans. we'll show you what happened in that hearing and grace meng joins us later in this hour. today the fbi released new videos of what officials called ten of the most violent but still unidentified suspects in the january 6th attack on the capitol. quote, the fbi is asking for the public's help in identifying ten individuals suspected of being involved in some of the most violent attacks on officer who's were protecting the u.s. capitol and our democratic process on january 6th. these individuals are seen on video committing egregious crimes against those who have devoted their lives to protecting the american people. now, i want to warn you that some of the video that the fbi released today shows graphic attacks on police officers. in one video, a suspect is seen using what appears to be a tree branch to strike at officers who are trying to prevent the crowd from entering the capitol. in another video, a suspect wearing a blue mask is seen hitting the face mask of an officer at one of the entrances of the capitol and trying to remove the officer's gas mask. another video shows a suspect wearing a dark blue jacket with a hood, walking up the stairs that overlook an area occupied by police officers at that time. the suspect is seen spraying something onto the officers and then walking away. in another video, a suspect wearing a gray and white striped shirt repeatedly thrusts some kind of long stick at police officers. and another video shows a suspect wearing a black hoodie punching a capitol police officer in the face. the fbi has arrested more than 300 people who took part in the riot at the capitol. of those, more than 65 were arrested for assaulting law enforcement officers. but the fbi's work is far from over in bringing the trump mob to justice. yesterday the fbi arrested four prominent members of the so-called, self-described proud boys. no one's ever known what they're proud of -- for their involvement in the attack on the capitol. according to "the new york times," quote, in the indictment, prosecutors accused charles paschal donohoe, a proud boys leader from forecast, and zach rehl, the president of the group's chapter in philadelphia, of conspiring to interfere with law enforcement officers at the capitol and obstruct the certification of president biden's electoral victory. two other high-ranking proud boys, who were already facing similar charges, ethan nordean of washington, and joseph biggs of florida, were also implicated as part of the conspiracy. with this new conspiracy indictment, prosecutors have now brought charges against a total of 13 people identified in court papers as members of the so-called proud boys. in a new u.s. intelligence report shows that domestic terrorism continues to pose a major threat to the united states. according to a joint assessment from the office of the director of national intelligence, the department of justice, and the department of homeland security, quote, newer sociopolitical developments, such as narratives of fraud in the recent general election, the emboldening impact of the violent breach of the u.s. capitol, conditions related to the covid-19 pandemic, and conspiracy theories promoting violence -- will almost certainly spur some domestic violent extremists to try to engage in violence this year. a new pew poll finds that 69% of americans believe it is very important for federal law enforcement agencies to find and prosecute people who attacked the capitol. 18% believe it is somewhat important, and only 8% believe it is not too important, and 4%, 4% believe it is not important. among those 4% who think it's not important are, no doubt, the 12 house republicans who voted against the resolution to award congressional gold medals to the capitol police and the d.c. police in recognition of their service during the attack on the capitol. those 12 republicans now in a fierce competition for most deranged and irresponsible member of the house of representatives are, marjorie taylor greene, matt gaetz, louie gohmert, tom mass massey, andy kbigs, andy harris, lance gooden, michael cloud, andrew s. clyde, greg stube. bob good, and john rose. leading off our discussion tonight, democratic congressman jason crow of colorado. he's a member of the house armed services committee. also with us, andrew weissmann, a former fbi general counsel, former federal prosecutor. he was one of the prosecutors working on the mueller investigation. he is an nbc news and msnbc legal analyst. and, congressman crow, let me begin with you and the fbi's continued search for suspects and this release of video to us on social media that we all see and now millions of people can see. they have been identifying an awful lot of people that way. >> yeah. good evening, lawrence. thanks for having me on. yeah, we have to just continue to remember that this is a brutal attack that we are dealing with on january 6th. it was an insurrection. it was an assault not just on our democracy but on police officers and members of congress, on staff. several police officers are dead. over 140 were brutally beaten. people that were part of the mob were killed as well. you know, we can't sweep this under the rug. even though we have a handful of folk who's are kind of depraved and, as you said, deranged, who want to try to recast this as something else, it's very clear what happened here. there's video that people saw in real time on january 6th. we saw it again during the impeachment trial. we're seeing it again with the newly released video. these people have to be brought to justice, and the fbi and doj is doing just that. >> when you look across the aisle, congressman, and you see 12 republicans vote against medals to the capitol police and the d.c. police for their defense of the capitol on january 6th, what goes through your mind? >> well, lawrence, you know, it's really easy to find yourself being pulled into this abyss of negativity right now. it's very hard not to be pulled into that. but i choose to focus more on the folks who aren't doing that, who actually are standing up, who are exercising courage, who are doing the right thing, trying to move us forward. if you just focus on those handful of depraved folks, it can kind of overwhelm you. so what i'm trying to do is not allowing that behavior to be normalized. i'm standing up to serve as a voice against it. i push back on immoral behavior, behavior that i think is contrary to our democracy, to our democratic norms, to our values as a society because we can't be silent in the face of that. we have to push back. but we also have to spend most of our time focusing on the people that are doing the right thing, who are trying to build and move forward. so, you know, we really have to do both. >> andrew weissmann, i want to get your view of the fbi's investigative technique in sharing all that information with the public and asking for help. >> well, that's something that is really a time-honored tradition. just think of, you know, in the 19th century, putting up wanted posters and trying to get public help. you know, it happened in the boston marathon bombing that was sort of a very successful instance of that. here, you know, the thing that's somewhat ironic here is that it's fine that they're doing that now, but of course the fbi and the department of homeland security had a lot of advance notice that this was going to happen. so why they weren't at the scene at the time and they're only doing this now is, i think, a real question for congress and for merrick garland to be focusing on. but, you know, it's good that they're doing it now. >> and also, andrew, what are we take to make of the conspiracy charges, and what will that mean legally? >> well, i think there's something that i think is important to focus on here, is there's some very interesting tidbits in the dni assessment that came out. and focusing on what the congressman said, which is the positive, avril haines, who is the new dni, put out a really terrific report saying that domestic terrorism is a big threat for the united states. and within that threat, domestic terrorists who are racially and ethnically motivated are particularly lethal. that's her term as the head of the intelligence community. and one of the things she noted about groups that believe in white supremacy is that they are also linked to overseas groups. so you can see that they are really laser focused on this problem and really thinking about this in terms of groups, and are they sometimes, of course, lone wolves that can be particularly hard to deter and detect and prevent what's going on. but also linkages in this country and overseas. and i think, you know, avril haines is really to be commended that, you know, her first reports are focusing on domestic terrorism, and it's a real signal that she and merrick garland are really going to be taking this very seriously. and i have to say, you know, it's something that is great to see since we have not seen that in the last four years. >> congressman crow, will there be more oversight hearings in the house to get at what andrew wieszman was just talking about, how this could have happened and the lack of anticipation of it happening in other federal agencies? >> yes, lawrence, there will. it's important that we get to the truth and get the information because, you know, the negative thing is that under donald trump and because of donald trump in part, we have seen the normalization of some of this extremist movement, which has allowed it to come to the surface and to come out in the public. but there's actually an opportunity there too because a lot of this stuff was lying under the surface for a very long time. a lot of this is not new. so the opportunity for us is we now see this in plain sight for us to say, you know, we have a problem. we have a chance. so let's now deal with that problem and that challenge in a vigorous way. so i'm actually leading in the house, the government accountability office investigation on the senate side, senator michael bennet. so between michael bennet and i, there's going to be a gao investigation that's going to be comprehensive and look at all of the intelligence failures, the interagency failures and everything that did not happen and should have happened, and actually compare that to the black lives matter protests from last year and see the very obvious differences between how those two were treated. so we're going to do an analysis. but as andrew said, there's also a nefarious foreign element here as well. our adversaries who want to actually take what have been some of our strengths, and that is our open, transparent, accessible society, and they want to turn that against us, and they want to leverage social media and technology to do so, to fan the flames of this extremism, and they're already doing that. so we're going to be doing investigation review and making sure that we understand the nature of that threat and we're prepared to deal with it. >> congressman jason crow and andrew weissmann, thank you both for joining us again tonight and for starting off our discussion. we really appreciate it. >> you're welcome. >> thank you. >> thank you. coming up, president biden's economic adviser jared bernstein joins us next as 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>> it is absolutely essential. first of all, great to be with you, lawrence, and thank you for raising these important achievements because the president has always said, but so has the chair of the federal reserve. this is as much a health necessity as it is an economic one. there will be no reliable, robust, lasting economic recovery until we finally control the virus, produce and distribute the vaccine, and get shots in arms and checks in pockets. this is the recipe that is not only built into the rescue plan, but that's a plan that's calibrated to do something that hasn't happened yet, which is to finally get us to the other side of this crisis so we can reliably launch the next economic expansion. so critically important to be overachieving at this point. >> as you read the business pages of the major newspapers for the last several months, it's very common to see statements that were, in effect, "we will reopen our offices when everyone has the vaccine," and they started to target it. very commonly you hear september of 2021, september of this year, and that builds in everyone being vaccinated and having a month or two of a buffer after that. and so it's been implicit in business planning that there is no return to anything like normal in business planning without full vaccination. >> absolutely, and that's precisely the point that the president has continually made, and it's one of the reasons -- it's not the only reason. obviously making sure that folk who's have been disproportionately hurt by this, many of whom, black and brown people and essential workers, folks in communities of color, addressing their health needs, but, yes, very much the economic story is much as you described it. and it's definitely businesses reopening, but it's also schools safely reopening. you know, one of the things we've seen is a significant decline in the labor force participation of women even more so than men, and particularly moms. so many of these folks are care takers of their kids. if you can -- once we safely open the schools, to the extent that those moms and some dads want to get back into the job market, they'll have a clearer path to do so. finally, remember, our economy is almost 70% consumer spending. so until people are ready to safely reengage, confidently reengage with commerce -- again, can't launch the reliable recovery that's waiting on the other side of the crisis. so a lot of what the rescue plan does is pull that extension forward. >> i want to get your view as a congressman to something congresswoman katie porter said about how this relief money is going to be spend. >> the research is crystal clear. when you give low-income or struggling families additional money, what they spend it on is food, more food and more nutritious food. that is the first thing they put it toward. this bill is literally going to keep kids from going to school hungry. additional money to low-income families helps them meet their basic needs, and that benefits our entire workforce and our entire economy. >> jared, what's your reaction to that? >> yeah. i'm so glad you played that clip because as i was just completing what i was saying, i was thinking, wait a second. it's true. i'm talking about these aggregate statistics, you know. we have a 70% consumer spending economy. that's the macro economy. what congresswoman porter was talking about there is the fact that not everybody in this economy, of course, has experienced this pandemic and its associated recessionary conditions the same way. that's why we've talked about it as k-shaped. what she was just referring to, completely accurately, was those on the bottom leg of the k who have borne the brunt of both the economic and the health part of this crisis, and the american rescue plan targets those folks. she mentioned food support, nutritional support. we've seen tremendous food insecurity up to this point, and the rescue plan will help that. the direct checks disproportionately go to families with kids in the bottom half of the income scale, and that's one reason why the child tax credit, the checks, the unemployment coverage, you put it all together, we're looking at a reduction of child poverty by over 50%. so this kind of targeting is precisely what the congresswoman was just referencing. >> jared bernstein, economic adviser to president biden, thank you very much for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. >> my pleasure, lawrence. >> thank you. and coming up, we have breaking news. nbc news has just obtained surveillance video of the suspect in the mass murder in georgia this week. nbc's kathy park will join us next with the latest and this new video. and it's definitely not "close enough or nothing." mercedes-benz suvs were engineered with only one mission in mind. to be th

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