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it is good to be back with you, on this second hour of "chris jansing reports." at this hour, breaking news. the jury in hunter biden's trial was just dismissed for the weekend after emotional testimony from hunter's daughter. what we know as our team on the ground tries to get answers. and the chilling new video of the moments before a woman unleashed hell on a mother and her 3-year-old toddler. the new details of what led up to that horrific attack. also, donald trump's latest target, well, in his words, the unselect members of the january 6th committee, why the former president is now calling for them to be indicted. plus, boos and the walkout, the negative greeting from some lawmakers in the pennsylvania state house when officers who defended the capitol during the insurrection walked in. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments, but we begin with nbc's ken dilanian who's outside the courthouse in wilmington where the hunter biden jury was just dismissed for the weekend. ken, do we know why this happened? >> reporter: yes, chris. in a word, there's been a change of plans by the defense after announcing that james biden, president biden's brother would be a witness for the defense, and we saw him walk into the courthouse today. hunter biden's attorney, abbe lowell told the judge they decided not to cause him after all, nor any forensic effort and they're going to wait to decide on monday whether to call a final witness, which we understand to be hunter biden. the trial will resume at 8:15 on monday. it's not clear what prompted this change of strategy, but i will say that the consensus of our team here at nbc news is that the naomi biden testimony, the testimony of hunter biden's oldest daughter did not go well on balance, for the defense. she did humanize hunter biden, she teared up and told the jury she thought he was doing well in terms of his drug addiction during the period where he owned the gun. on cross-examination, prosecutors confronted her with some very disturbing text messages and evidence that he was in communication potentially with drug dealers and we can presume that they would do the same thing with james biden. if he came into court to testify that he believed that hunter biden wasn't using drugs. the point is prosecutors have evidence he was using drugs. it's not definitive. it's enough that they can continue to introduce it and use it to cross examine these witnesses, and so bottom line, james biden will not be appearing at this trial, and we'll wait to see whether hunter biden will testify in his own defense on monday, chris. >> they have the weekend to make the decision. ken dilanian, thank you. now to disturbing new video showing the moments before police say a woman stabbed and killed a toddler and stabbed his mother at an ohio grocery store. nbc's maggie vespa joins us right now. this attack happened in five seconds. what does this video tell us? >> you said at the top of the show, this woman unleashed hell on this ohio mother and her toddler. we have the surveillance video released by north olmstead police, a city near cleveland. you see the woman who's highlighted. she's carrying a knife. look at the hand swinging closest to the camera. this was on monday, leading up to the attack, and police say, you can see no one tried to stop her. no one was stunned. you can see people not noticing, it seems like she had her knife, and right there, is where she sees the mother and toddler with that cart, she turns and she follows them out to the parking lot. police say this was a stranger on stranger attack. they have no idea why this woman, bianca ellis zeroed in on that mom and toddler. here is what police say happened next. >> spotted mrs. wood and her son, and then proceeded to follow them out to the parking lot and somewhere near their vehicle ms. ellis attacked the two of them. the young child suffered two stab wounds, one to the face and one to the back, and then she suffered one to her shoulder area. >> now, just adding to, again, the hellish context of all of that, that stabbing attack was caught on camera, we're obviously not going to show that video. that's why police say they have such a strong case against this woman. her name is bianca ellis. she has been arrested and indicted on ten charges, including aggravated first-degree murder for the death of julian wood, his mother margot wood survived the attack. she lost her child in this random stabbing and ended up being the one who pulled through. bianca ellis set to be arraigned on monday. in the meantime, she's being held on $1 million bond. >> beyond heartbreaking. thank you. to the trump campaign, after the former president called for january 6th committee members to be indicted. nbc's vaughn hillyard is reporting on this. what more can you tell us, vaughn? >> reporter: right, chris. in the last days, donald trump has equivocated when asked about whether he would seek retribution against his perceived enemies if he were to take back the white house. he suggested other republicans have urged him to do so, he has said he would have to see exactly what such action would look like. of course those comments are happening after a year in which he has suggested the arrest of several individuals as a potential imprisonment of bill and hillary clinton, he made those comments just this week, and just yesterday, well in route to the state of arizona for a campaign event here, he posted on his social media account that the individuals, the members of congress who were a part of the january 6th select committee should be indicted. he directly referred to the not only adam kinzinger as crying adam kinzinger, and liz, quote, out of her mind cheney, but he's suggesting that it should be the individuals who are part of the select committee that are the ones that should be indicted. they are the ones, not him, who committed crimes by, in his words, deleting evidence that they had gathered in not turning it over to this current congress. now, there has been no direct allegations or inquiry into actual any illegal wrong doing on the part of the january 6th select committee. instead, those members who are part of the committee, they released a full report. 845 pages, as well as transcripts of each of their interviews, and the committee maintained that they had preserved all relevant records, that they were statutorily obligated to preserve before the turn of the congress and before the january 6th select committee came to an end. all of that said, donald trump clearly still top of mind is at a federal election interference case continues to loom over not only his campaign, but of course after the november election, whether he wins or not, the potential of that election to continue or i should say that trial to continue to move forward, chris. >> vaughn hillyard, thank you. some of the police officers who were attacked at the capitol on january 6th were greeted with boos at the pennsylvania state house. nbc's ryan reilly joins us with more on this. what exactly happened? >> yeah, so these officers have been going around to various swing states on behalf of the biden campaign. this wasn't really a direct quote unquote event. this was giving honors to officers who served on january 6th, and you had boos there. you had people walk out, and it really sort of speaks, i think, just to the difficulty of the position that the republican party is in in some ways here because so many in the republican base believe the election was stolen and believe that what happened on january 6th was, you know, exaggerated wasn't that bad. you end up with targeting of individuals who did their duty on january 6th including as we saw last week, michael fanone, who was actually, you know, his mother was targeted after he spoke out against donald trump. this facilities into an ongoing pattern. i got a chance to speak with officer gwynelle last evening. he said it was shocking, but not surprising to see what happened at the pennsylvania state capitol there. they walked out, began jeering at us, and they'll probably go on tv and say they support police. gonell was telling me that essentially the republicans literally turned their backs on him because they turned away and walked out. i should say some of the republicans there, democrats have told nbc news did actually stand and applaud. there were a lot of republicans who turned away and walked away, chris. >> ryan reilly, thank you for that. up next, 40 years apart, but striking very similar tones. how joe biden looked to harken back to ronald reagan's speech this morning. we're back after this. is morning we're back after this. you want thicker, stronger, fuller hair? 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they stormed the beaches alongside our allies, does anyone believe these rangers want america to go it alone today? >> joining me now, douglas brinkley, presidential historian, professor at rice university, and coauthor of "the nixon tapes" 1971 to 1972. i'm watching ronald reagan, and what an iconic speech that was. it isn't the first time we have heard a president pull from the reagan playbook. for this democrat, joe biden, what do you make of his choice to evoke that famous speech and the particular device of linking events to today? >> well, it was essential for joe biden to link it to ronald reagan, because reagan went there, and gave really one of the best speeches in presidential history june 6th of 1984. the speech was classic, biden stood at the same spot. these were the u.s. army rangers, second rangers of division that came and climbed the cliffs 100 feet straight up to destroy with grenades and gun-to-gun combat, destroyed these giant blasting guns that were pointing out over the english channel, and by their valor at point du hoc it allows so many americans not to get slaughtered at omaha and utah beach. i'm here in simi valley. yesterday i was with peggy noonan and all the people that were part of great stage crafting by mike deeber, that incredible spot in normandy by the white crosses and the stars of david, and it's become a place to go to talk about democracy and the cost of freedom, and so i think biden connecting it to ukraine, talking about putin being the new authoritarian threat like hitler was, you know, back in world war ii was apropos. >> peter baker wrote about this in the "new york times," i'm going to quote from him. like mr. reagan, mr. biden wants to use the inspiring story of the rangers at point du hoc for the case of americans at the face of aggression and for himself. the difference for biden of course today is the growing nationalistic fervor, right, in the republican party led by donald trump. and the message may be the same, the geographical backdrop is the same. how different is the political backdrop? >> well, of course it's different, but this is, you know, i think if the biden administration sees our present state kind of like europe in, say, 1938, not world war ii, and not the great victory of the battle of normandy. but that this is an ongoing fight that, you know, fdr framed world war ii. you have a choice between totalitarianism or democracy or communism. there were three choices in the world. the fact that our soldiers of democracy failed, biden needed to be in europe, have a powerful moment when zelenskyy came there to normandy and talked to a veteran, and said you to an american veteran, you saved europe, and talk and try to give nato some momentum. i mean, the whole building block of u.s. foreign policy from harry truman all the way to joe biden has been nato's first. put all of the attention on nato. keep the atlantic alliance tight and strong. only donald trump has been an aberration from that. he's an isolationist kick back, and we had a lot of isolationists in the 1930s that want america to pull up a wall around the u.s., and don't engage or help countries in need. biden, i think, correctly has upped the ante that we are going to stick by ukraine, come hell or high water, half the republican party is with biden on this. it's going to be a big issue in this campaign, and curious to see how trump talks about ukraine because i was aghast when he backed off of supporting zelenskyy and our democratic ally in ukraine, and seemingly is favoring putin, and trump had said, you can do whatever you want with the nato countries if they don't pay their bills, and saying all of this ugly raw meat kind of thing. nato is the united states. it's how we keep democracy alive and well at home and around the world. >> you know, we always have talked about whether or not we as citizens have learned the lessons of history, and it occurred to me as i was watching the events unfold over the last 24, 48 hours or so, this will almost certainly be the last u.s. president who will have been alive on the actual d-day. we look at those incredible men who to quote my colleague kelly o'donnell showed this life force to make this trip. they are in their 90s, many over a hundred. probably the last time they will go to normandy. does the lesson start to fade as the people who were a part of it fade or how is it kept alive? how are the lessons of history and in particular this lesson kept alive, doug? >> well, i wrote a book called the boys of pointe du hoc about the u.s. army second rangers, and i got to interview them and got to interview on tape 150 d-day veterans, including people on the first wave and the oral histories will live on and on. people like tom hanks right now is gearing up with the history channel to do like 36-hour world war ii commemoration pulling together oral histories, video, tape, so we have to constantly remind ourselves of what the second world war was. i mean, we were attacked by fascism on the pacific, japanese, and hitler declare war on us. we pulled it together. we won. and i worry that was the world war ii generation or what tom brokaw dubbed the greatest generation disappears. all of it, guys, i interviewed, chris, from d-day, and i became great friends with jack coon, they're all gone. here i interviewed these people and they're gone. i credit reagan for making june 6th this day that presidents have to go and think about the cost of democracy. before reagan, we would focus in our country on pearl harbor. pearl harbor was unpreparedness. we lost the battle of pearl harbor. june 6th reminds us what a democracy can do, and if we put our shoulders to the wheel, the democratic traditions can reign around the world. i find it very significant that whoever is president, following the war and liberation of western europe commenced, even though it was a hard record after normandy in the battle of the bulge and the march to berlin, the u.n. prevailed and i think d-day is the single greatest military event in u.s. military history, nothing like it. >> maybe somebody's calling to give you a review of your appearance, doug, can i just say that -- >> i think they're trying to kick me out of my room. >> have you passed the checkout time? >> i passed the time. i saw people loitering in the hall, when is he leaving the room. >> well, we will release you, but i'll just say i'm a tiny bit jealous. i would have loved to be a fly on the wall for your conversations with peggy and others. i take great pride in knowing you overstayed your welcome to be on the show. douglas brinkley, thank you. >> there was margaret thatcher -- >> we lost him. a new investigation into potential police misconduct. we'll show you disturbing video when we're back. plus, remember them, the st. louis couple who made national news during the black lives matter protest in 2020, why they're pushing to get their guns back. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. reports" only on msnbc (♪♪) [shaking] itchy pet? 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