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and some of america's billionaires once critical of trump are now flocking back. the question is why. and unicef spokesman recounts the horrendous incident he witnessed as he was delivering critical aid in gaza. i'm ayman mohyeldin. let's do it. in europe, the generations fear of the far right appears to be slipping. that's the top line from this week you elections although the continent centrist coalition is set to retain power radical right parties without makeup the second-biggest block in the european parliament. in germany, a blow to u.s. ally chancellor olaf scholz after the anti-immigration and anti- muslim party alternative for germany beat his social democratic party and last week's boat. and that was after the party pompously candidate sparked a major scandal saying last month that members of the nazi ss were not necessarily criminal. and such a humiliating defeat to give president emmanuel macron centrist renaissance party that the french leader responded by calling for a snap election. a risky move that could inflict further losses. both personally and for the president's party. the news overseas immediately sparked headlines here at home with pundits and analysts speculating over what the far right victor could mean for our elections in november. they are rising the success could forecast a donald trump win in november. however if you ask the atlantic's and apple bound, there's a few problems with that prediction. according to her, trump isn't america's version of le pen. he's much worse while europe's right-wing is fueled by a similar kind of nationalist fervor, the success of their politicians is marked by at least their appearance to tap to the center. as apple bound points out, while goals may secretly be more radical, they are succeeding by hiding that radicalism from voters the same cannot be said for donald trump. quote, the former president is not tacking to the center and he is not trying to appear less confrontational. on the contrary, almost everyday he sounds more extreme, more unhinged and more dangerous and perhaps the most dangerous distinction the ex- president's attacks on democracy. a harvard political scientist and coauthor of how democracies die told the associated press that trump's antidemocratic rhetoric stands in contrast with european populists. quote, they are much less openly authoritarian than trump . none of these guys have rejected election results. in fact the real risk here is not that we could follow europe's lead, it's that they could follow hours after steve bennett was pushed out of the white house, the x trump adviser made it his mission to bring trumpism to europe, meeting with a slew of far right leaders and entangling himself in political parties across the continent. even plan to turn a former monastery in italy into a so- called gladiator school for populist leaders. the project was shuttered due to legal issues earlier this year but he told politico he plans to reopen the school adding that the reboot would be launched by the inauguration of a second trump presidency. with that kind of ambassador preaching the suppose that american values overseas, it's no surprise that views of our country pop as democracy are souring abroad four in 10 surveyed said that although u.s. democracy used to be a good example to follow, it no longer is. so, as apple bound warned, we aren't in danger of following european voters in extremist direction because we are already well past them. of trump wednesday november, america could radicalize europe , not the other way around. let's discuss this with a professor of history at new york university and the author of the strong men. mostly to the president and a columnist from the new york times. it's great to have both of you with us. your reaction to the european parliamentary election results is calling this a win for the far right. is that too simplistic in your mind? >> i mean, i'm the last person to underestimate the gravity of major countries like france and germany having such gains with the far right. and this is both the appeal of those politicians like murray le pen who was extremely smart and appointing as leader of the national rally party a 28-year- old, who could be the next prime minister if things go bad for macron with this snap election. so this is a vote for youth. the national rally party actually, it's history is that le pen's father founded it and he was a famous white washer of the holocaust . having this 28- year-old at the helm is very smart. so, we can't underestimate what could happen there. >> let's turn to the u.s. and what this means for us or vice versa, what it might mean for europe if trump wins. does trump's antidemocracy rhetoric set him apart from other far right leaders on the world stage at the moment? does it make it more dangerous that he out of all the populist, far right leaders around the world, he is the one that perhaps more than others rejects democratic norms, rejected the results of the 2020 election. refuses to acknowledge whether he would accept the results of the 2024 elections. >> right. i think that stephen lipinski is right and told me this before that they conduct rhetoric, the violent rhetoric, the talk about locking up his opponents, the talk about hardening -- pardoning the january 6, quote, unquote, warriors if you don't hear that language from le pen or afd and germany. it's much more violent and, frankly, much more for cystic then you hear from these parties that involved out of the actions of european fascism. what i also think but we see in the results of these you elections is something we see all over the world, which is just this incredible anti- incumbency move. this incredible frustration with the status quo. it's why the one place where the left is surging and seems likely to do very well is the uk we have had years and years and years of tory role or miss role. this is kind of what biden is up against. i think we look at biden's phone numbers and you can blame that on various decisions that he made. but i think you also have to keep in mind that pulse for incumbents are really bad everywhere, and in most places quite a bit worse than biden's. >> what is your take here? is donald trump markedly different than europe's far right politicians? do they overlap in some ways and are they seeking different things for their respective countries and control? >> there is a lot of overlap in terms of platform conspiracy theories about public health, great replacements theory. the host of the g7, she is so extreme about replacement theory that she believes is a plot to flood europe and italy with muslims and nonwhite immigrants and she calls it ethnic substitution, which evokes ethnic cleansing. all of that racism, anti- immigrant euro skepticism, anti- nato sometimes, not maloney but others, that is common. by the way, to the first point you are making about america being the lead. we already have this because paulson aro had his own january 8 insurrection. it didn't work and he is now banned from politics. the liaisons included steve bannon and jason miller, who are trump advisers. so we have already had this playbook exported by the u.s. to another country >> to the point, ruth, let me follow up because i mentioned that pole a few moments ago. declining faith in american democracy globally but does that number risk slumping even further come november and how big of a test is this election to america's standing? is there a way for america to regain a standing as a beacon for global democracy, even if her rejects trump. they rejected him in 2020 but he still on the scene and that number of competent and american democracy seems to still be declining, even with trump not an office. >> well, he did an enormous damage in his four years to american democracy abroad. he had the thuggish mike pompeo as secretary of state. he pursued self-dealing. trump businesses are international enterprise. and he just brought down the prestige and integrity of american democracy, and that has lasted. also, other countries see that this is a bipartisan country and a very powerful country and one of the two parties is an thrall to this cult leader and is behaving in ways that are nakedly autocratic. so that brings down our prestige in the world, as well. >> ruth, always a pleasure. to do for joining us this evening. michelle, stick around. we have more to discuss with you throughout the course of this hour. we do have breaking news out of michigan we want to bring to you at the moment. at least nine people have been shot at a splash park in the city of rochester hills, about a half hour north of detroit. moments ago police spoke to reporters on the scene and have confirmed that the shooter is not yet in custody but is contained about a half-mile from the scene. right now investigators say they believe the shooting was random. the gunman had no connection to the victims. they say this afternoon the shooter drove up to the waterpark and started shooting, emptying nearly 30 rounds before running off. again, as of now, at least nine people shot this saturday at a splash park in rochester hills, michigan. we will keep you updated as we get information throughout the course of the next hour. we will take a quick break and be right back. stay with us. wait, there's an elevator? 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