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CNNW Anderson Cooper 360 August 28, 2013

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>> reporter: i think they are hearing it. i was in with the information administration store who is a powerful figure and he spoke differently than i seen syrian officials speak in the past couple days. before that you would hear them say if attacked, syria would fight back. the syrian people would rise up. you still hear that rhetoric but a lot less bold, and it comes of course after statements like secretary of state kerry yesterday and the one from vice president biden today. right now what i'm hearing them say is the u.s. ought to give the u.n weapons inspectors on the ground here more time to do their work and wait for their assessment. of course, the u.s. has gone a step further and says the syrian government is starting to realize it's less a question if the u.s. and allies will strike and rather more a question of when. that's the mood i got today from a meeting with the information minister of this country. >> fred, you obtained exclusive video from an area allegedly hit with chemical weapons. what does the video tell us? what does it show? >> reporter: it was taken by an independent film maker, shows the district of these alleged chemical weapons attack with the highest death toll. more than 400 people killed. it shows a lot there, that it was used as a mass grave. it was plowed over. there was graves made there, a lot of bodies placed in there and very little space left in that area to put more bodies into. the thing is that the filmer that went into the ground there said inside the makeshift field hospital they had there, there are still a lot of bodies laying in there that have not been claimed. they can't find the relatives of those people. so there is a lot of dead bodies and children inside that field hospital. a lot of deaths, a lot of destruction down there. the people told the filmer that a lot of people died in their sleep because it hit at 2:00 in the morning and they died before they woke up. there are tails of survival. there was one man that made a makeshift gas mask out of a cup, cotton and cole to make a filter. that's how he survived. a very surreal scene where many hundred people died. >> appreciate the report. be careful. we're looking at what president might do how and what help? we'll focus narrowly on the pluses and minuses. first, the broad strokes the staff writer, peter for the daily beast and editor of the daily beast blog and fred town son on the homeland of security and chief national correspondent john king. we were told the u.s. would release a declassified report on syria, perhaps with information about this attack. you're hearing there is a debate in the administration. >> there is a debate what to release. look, there are memories, right, of the failed intelligence prior to going into iraq about wmd. so i think administration feels compelled to release some information that, you know, under scores and verifies what you heard president biden say today, absolutely the regime absolutely used chemical weapons. the question and debate becomes, anderson, how much do you reveal? is enough to convince the international community you really do have solid proof of the regime's use of these awful weapons versus how do you protect the sources -- >> so that's the concern, whether it's interception of signals intelligence or something like that or on apptive on the ground. >> correct. >> they don't want to reveal that? >> that's exactly right. so you want to give as much detail as you can without revealing sources and methods. >> in your reporting, everybody focuses on this attack and the knowledge of one smaller attack before. in your reporting you've seen there were as many as 35 other chemical attacks. >> yeah, yeah, i mean, i talked to a number of -- i talked to somebody and a number of syrian groups trying to track these things, and what you had, basically, over the past several months is a series of low level attacks, maybe 30 or 35 and the total number of people killed, total is only about 150. >> prior to the last attack. >> prior. this last one is completely different. >> we don't know the exact numbers at this point. there is people buried and names not known and people who still haven't been buried. >> it looks like maybe more than a thousand dead but the strategy until now i think is we use this and use it to cause panic and prepare the battle ground for when the troops go in, and they got away with it by in large and so obviously, he decided to go big. >> because, it mean the red line comment was that a year ago, if memory serves me correct. >> yes. >> and you find this move by assad interesting because the title of the battle. >> you would think somebody who did what apparently the regime did last week would be desperate, and by all accounts his situation is much less decemb desperate than six months ago. >> why do it? >> i think he thought he would get away with it. if you look at the red line, president obama laid down the red line a year ago. if in fact there has been as many as 35 attacks, what price has assad paid for that? they wanted to send rifles and bullets to the rebels but there is no evidence those arrived yet. >> we were reporting like a big change of policy but in fact, not much on the ground changed. >> or nothing on the ground. >> or nothing. >> so far for assad there is no price to pay. >> john, we heard from secretary kerry yesterday, secretary hagel this afternoon, biden this afternoon, will we hear from a president before an attack? in memory, we don't usually hear from a president before the attack. >> that's a debate within administration and the conversation you're having under sorps the credibility challenge. there was plans to release more intelligence today, perhaps satellite images, there is a tug-of-war within administration what to do. we hear from the prime minister of great britain and france and some are saying when will we hear from the president of the united states. they are trying to get more people publicly on their side. a lot of phone calls into the arab world and in the arab world they are getting a lot of go for it, good luck but not public endorsements from these countries right now. at the moment with the exception of great britain and france, when it comes to a military perspective and people willing to stand with you as public allies and public endorsements, it's a lonely job. >> it's interesting, nobody can say that they haven't known what has been happening in the ground in syria. it's been documented in cell phone video from the first demonstrations in dara and 100,000 people have been killed, but 1,000 people dying from a chemical attack that spurred the u.s. does that make sense to you? >> this is different from libya in that we're not trying to end the conflict. if you look at what kerry said a couple days ago, what is amazing is he said nothing at all really about the larger syrian civil war other than the chemical weapon strike. they were trying to isolate it and say we're trying to make a statement globally about non-use of chemical weapons but one might think the lesson to dictators around the world could be butcher your citizens in other ways. so i mean, obviously, it would be terrible to have a taboo on this chemical weapons but if this is successful as possible, assad doesn't use chemical weapons, there will be a day syria will spiral toward a more and more horrendous civil war. >> they aren't talking about changing the kak lus on the ground, just not use chemical weapons. >> you can't hit the chemical weapons themselves or storage sites because you release chemicals. the under yapgss are, we don't know yet, but they will attack some units that used chemical weapons. that's not going to change, that's not going to materially change the nature of that conflict at all. >> is part of that, anybody, is part of that reflection within the concern of the administration and around the world after assad they knn what? the al qaeda inspired groups? >> right, i think that's exactly what the concern is and they are saying -- they are not doing this to tip the balance of power because it's not clear where it goes. >> they don't want to break it or own it. >> can they not own snit president obama has a clear vision throughout the presidency. he'll get out of the two wars and rebuild america's strength at home and doesn't want to be too distracted but we're facing a big test whether in fact, america cannot be districted. we're being brought into this. what happens if jordan next door starts to teeter? if this gets worse and worse american remains the hedge mon in that region and itself defeating to stay out because you get pulled in at a later and worse point. >> the president runs the risk, frankly, of even if he launches a cruise missile strike, the analogy after the east africa bombings when the clinton administration did the same thing and we wind up with 9/11. so a cruise missile strike all by itself -- >> regan fired cruise missiles into tent and a few people were killed. that was about it. >> john, what is also so interesting, i don't hear from anybody -- there is no enthusiasm about this in any quarter in the united states. nobody really wants to go down this road. the population -- you know, the voer voters included. >> the american is public with 12 years in afghanistan from the financial cost and human cost. the president helped shape that public opinion in his presidential campaign. it's time to get out and focus elsewhere and not have a military presence in this part of the world. in congress, he'll have some supporters. he'll be muted because he's a democrat tick president. what is the bipartisan agreement, skeptical you can do this. what the administration is talking about, look at a map. this is not delivering blunt force trama knowing you won't impact california. look how close lebanon and israel is and iran and will be looking to take advantage there are skeptics, experts, i talked to retired general how will you do what they try to do without there being a ripple effect, reaction in a very tightly packed messed up neighborhood. >> dexter, there are legitimate concerns what happens if he does fall and what kind of retributions for their actions over the last two years. >> yeah, you can just imagine what is going to happen when assad finally goes and it's not going to be pretty, yeah. probably they will all go to lebanon. they will run for the borders, or it's just going to get really ugly for them. >> dexter, great to have you on the show, all my guests. what exactly are the military options and the likely choices peter and dexter mentioned could leave the chemical weapons untouched. the special report on the charity spot that earned a spot on the bottom. playing your simpympathy for dy kids. >> they wanted sick kids? 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