0 popped and i undid the other tree and it was falling over and papa was laughing at me trying to get it back upright, and it was a fruit tree that i had been dealing with really for years, and it would not stand up straight. >> were you and paul having a good time at that point? >> you could not be around papa, you could not be around him and not have a good time. >> were you close to paul? >> you could not be any closer than papa and i and buster and i. he was wonderful. >> and one of the things that you enjoyed doing was just riding the property? >> i loved doing anything with papa. it was an absolute delight. but yeah, one of the things, and i mean, pa's passion, and he was passionate about a lot of thing, but that property was a passion of his, and he loved to work the food plots and loved to hunt. he would work on the roads, and i mean, he would work on all of it. i mean, he would work on the structures, and he worked on the whole property. it was his passion. >> so on the evening of the 7th, and the jury has been inundated with data from different sources. >> sure. >> but ball park, can you, i mean, knowing, you know, what we know now after reviewing everything, but roughly when to you remember paul getting there and starting around the property? >> now that i have had the benefit of seeing all of these records, papa got home, i believe a little before 7:00 and i got home a little bit before him, and the details are that i got home around 6:42 or 6:45 or something like that and paul got there, you know, very quickly thereafter. by 7:00. >> so you rode the property for a while. do you remember when maggie arrived? >> yeah. it was later than that. it was 8 or after 8:00. i think that it was after 8:00 in looking at the records. a little after 8:00. >> do you remember her arriving or where you were when she arrived? >> i believe that i was at the shop when she came through. which would not be unusual for her having been away. if blanca had gotten the mail maybe not, but if she had gotten the mail, maybe she did pull through there, and i believe she did pull through that day, and paul and i were in the shop that day. >> and what did you do after maggie arrived? >> maggie went to the house, and i know that. but shortly after, however i learned that maggie went home, i went to the house when maggie went home, and i left paul at the shop. >> so, what did you do when you got to the house? >> i saw mags and talked to mags and i took a shower. >> the clothes that we saw in the snap chat video was -- was that the clothes that you had on work that day? >> yes, those were the clothes that i had on at work that day. >> and the jury seen you and in those clothes and on june 7th, how tall were you and how much did you weigh? >> on june 7th, well, i'm a hair over 6'4", and right at 6'4", and on june 7th, i was about 265 pounds. 264, 265. >> and this was in june. june 7th. >> yes, sir. >> when you are outside, riding around and doing some, do you get hot and sweaty? >> yes. paul and i had done some things, and we had unloaded a bulldozer and cleaned the bulldozer and fooled around. and yeah, i had sweated. i was heavy, and taking prescription pills also makes you sweat worse or at least taking oxycodone makes you sweat more than you usually do. >> so was it unusual for you have to take a shower when you got back to the house? >> not at all. >> so after you took a shower, what did you change into? >> i changed into the clothes that you have seen in this trial, shorts and the shirt. >> okay. when you got out of the shower. you changed your clothes, what did you do next? >> i went back out where mags and papa were for dinner. >> what was going on? >> mags had, and as you have heard, blanca had prepared dinner, but it had been cooked earlier, and mags had fixed, and i know that mags had fixed mine and her plate, and because i did not fix a plate, and papa was almost done eating by the time i got back out, which also wasn't unusual. i mean, papa was always on the go. i mean, he never sat still. you know, he would sit down to eat, but then he is going on to his next item. so then maggie and i ate. >> did you eat at the table or what was the habit? >> when we ate at the table, it was more formal or more organized thing. but normally what we would do on the regular thing is that we would eat in the den in front of the tv, and that is where we ate that day. i ate on the couch, and the table. maggie had a little tv tray that she kept over there, and papa would usually sit in the recliner and eat off of the ottoman. >> was the tv on? >> yes. >> was that normal for the tv to be on? >> yes, if we were in the house, the tv was on. >> so what happened next, alex? >> papa moved on the do whatever he was doing. >> i don't know whether he was in the gun room doing something or in his room doing something or outside doing something, but i thought that he had gone to the shed in the shop, but looking at the benefit of these records, that we have, i know that he was still at the house, or somewhere around the house doing something, but he was not in there with maggie and i. but maggie wanted to go to the kennels. i had eaten dinner, and i laid back on the couch where i was sitting, and maggie wanted to go to the kennels and she asked me to go. and i didn't go at that time. i didn't want to go. >> why didn't you want to go? >> it was hot, and i had just had a shower. i knew that i would end up doing more work, sweating more. and the dogs is always a chaotic scene. and i just didn't want to go right then. >> let me ask you. what had you done the previous days, like friday and saturday and sunday? >> start with friday or go backwards? >> yes, start with friday. >> all right. >> just briefly. >> so, 7th, 6th, 5th, 4th. so june 4th, my dad was in the hospital in savannah, georgia, at memorial hospital. i went down to visit him friday afternoon. i stayed with him in the hospital. i spent the night there, you know. he was real sick. i mean, he was having a hard time. >> did you get much sleep friday night? >> no. i mean, a real sweet nurse found me, at first there was a hard chair like this, and then she found me a soft chair like a recliner. i am sure i slept, but i did not get a night's sleep, no, sir. >> saturday and sunday? >> saturday, we had plans with buster and brooklyn, and you have heard about brooklyn, who is buster's wonderful little girlfriend. and mags and i had plans to meet them in columbia to go to the south carolina, and it was a regional baseball tournament in south carolina was playing virginia, i believe. so, when i got back from savannah, and met up with mags, at some point, we headed to columbia. so, it was not a lot going on in between there. we headed up to columbia and met bus and brooklyn. >> did you stay in columbia saturday night? >> we did. we went to the ball game and i remember it was an evening game. we went pretty early and tailgated. maggie had reconnected with a college friend who coincidentally had married a college friend of mine, and they had a son who played for carolina and he was the first baseman. a really good little player. and we met them and tailgated with them, and it was a lot of fun. they had a lot of parents of the players that were playing for carolina. it was just, it was, it was a fun time. we tailgated and then we went, and it was a night game, and so we went to the game, and when the game got over, you know, it was fairly late into the evening. after that, bus and brooklyn and mags and i, i believe we went to a restaurant in the hotel where we were staying, but we went and had dinner and then bus and brooklyn went home and of course maggie and i went to our room. >> and then you get up the next day and another game? >> yes, another game the next day. that is right. >> and then after that you headed back to moselle with maggie? >> yes, we went to the game. that is right. mags and i go back to moselle. >> and the jury has heard about i think miss razz bringing krispy kreme doughnuts to your dad? >> yes, maggie spoiled my dad and always taking him something. my dad loved sweets, and she and i picked up doughnuts and took krispy kreme doughnuts to him. >> and then, y'all both spend the night together at moselle on sunday night? did you both spend the night at moselle on sunday night? yes. >> the 7th was a workday? >> yes, that is right. monday june 7th. >> hang on, let me rephrase it. >> sorry. >> was monday the 7th a workday for you? >> yes. >> okay. and i just wanted to get the background in moving forward when you testified previously about maggie asking you have to go to the kennels, were you tired? >> oh, yes, i was tired. >> and you had just had a shower? >> i just had a shower. >> and you said that, well, did you go with maggie to the kennels immediately? >> no sno, i did not. >> did she leave? >> yes, she did. she left and papa was gone. >> do you know how she got to the kennels? >> no, did not. but looking at the condensed records and understanding the time line, it is clear to me that she rode with papa. >> okay. >> and did you stay in the house? >> yes. >> for how long? >> not long. i laid back on the couch and i put my feet up, and like many times when maggie asked me to do something that i did not want to do or didn't start out doing, i changed my mind and decided, i am going to ride up there. and i did. >> and how did you get to the kennels? >> i went on the golf cart. >> was the golf cart at the house, the main house? >> yeah. it was. it was there most of the time. >> and when you got down to the kennels, what was happening? >> it was just what i thought that it was. it was a little bit of chaos. i mean, it was clear to me that mags had just let the dogs out. the two dogs that were out were really her pet dogs. one is grady that you have heard about a black lab, and that is grady, and that is buster's dog, and the other is a yellow lab, and that you have heard about is bubba that is my dog and it is really maggie and bus and my dog, but it is a dog that i hunted. she loved bubba, and she had a special place for grady, but she loved bubba. when you let them out, the first thing they would do is to run. if you are looking at the overhead picture of where you have seen, there were planted pines behind the kennels. so you have the kennels and the chicken coop form a l-shape. in that "l" is the planted pines. so the first thing they would do is to go out there in the kennel and bubba and grady i think learned it from bubba, but grady would do it, too, but bubba had to mark every tree. he would go and he'd do a little number on this tree and that tree and you know how the dogs do, and marking territory. and so that is the first thing those dogs did when they came out, and when i got there, those dogs were in that area. so that is why i believe that it had not been long before they had been let out. grady was chasing guineas which is a normal thing to do. >> what are guineas? >> a guinea fowl is like a chicken. it is a domestic bird that, you know, we had them. they make a lot of racket. it is like a, and i know it sounds silly, but it is like a guard bird, because any time, you know, they make a lot of et unusual is going on, and if anything disturbs them, and it could be a person or anybody driving up or whatever, they are going to be making a lot of racket, and grady is chasing the guineas. you know, paul is fooling with the rogan's dog cash, and maggie is just kind of standing there watching the dogs which is normal, and they were in that place. as the dogs are out longer, they branch out more. at that point in time, they were right there and that told me they were not out that long. bubba catchs a chicken and i am talking to maggie for just a short time before bubba catchs the chicken. i take the chicken, and i put it. when bubba didn't chase -- these dogs didn't chase the chickens to kill them. they did not normally kill them, but they did kill them sometimes, but it is about the chase with the dogs, and they were proud when they caught one, and you could tell by the way that bubba would prance the way he brought the chicken to you, he was proud of the way that he caught one, and he was not trying to kill it, and most of the time, they would not kill it, and that chicken would not be dead and that chicken was not dead, but they would be lethargic, and you could put it somewhere so that the chicken could be by itself for a minute, and eventually, usually, it would come back to normal and go on about its, you know, whatever a chicken does. >> did you get the chicken out of bubba's mouth. >> i did. i got the chicken from bubba and i put it on top of that -- >> now, we have seen this video of paul with cash, rogan's dog, and did you know that was going on -- what do you remember about that? >> yeah, i knew that paul was fooling with -- when i pulled up on the golf cart, maggie was standing back sort of where the driveway would be, and it sort of runs out at the feed room. the storage room is what we call it, and it has been called the feed room i, but it sort of ran out, and maggie was back there where she could see the angle, and paul was fooling with rogan's dog back towards the kennel, and if i remember, paul was more in the driveway and then i knew that paul was in the kennel fooling with cash, but i did i know what he was doing, not exactly. i knew that he was fooling with his tail. >> was cash in the kennel when you pulled up, do you think? >> not when i first got there. >> okay. did bubba or grady have any collar on? >> yes. >> both dogs or one dog? >> i don't know about grady, but i know that bubba had on his what we call a tracking collar. paul for the hunting dogs, he had a system, a series of tracking collars, and i think that there were five and maybe six, but it is a tracking collar that had a device that would tell you where that collar was. so that bubba was bad about, you know, he would stay close for a minute, but then he would take off, and especially do that on maggie, and he would take off and run. so he had on the tracking collar that if he did that, you could, you know, could know, okay, he's, you know, a half a mile down here. it is not going to follow him, but so far, but it would follow a good long distance, and so you could go get the dog if he ran off, which bubba would frequently do especially when it was just mags and bubba. so paul probably would have been the one to put that on bubba. >> so you have us where you have gotten the chicken out of bubba's mouth, and put it on a doghouse or something? >> i believe what i put it on, and i don't remember this, but i have seen pictures in all of this, and i saw the chicken sitting on top of the what looks to me like a portable dog crate or whatever it is sitting on i would have put it on there, and no reason to believe that anybody moved that chicken and ultimately that chicken did die. >> and what did you do after you got that chicken out of bubba's mouth? >> i got out of there. i went back to the house. >> before we do that, we seen the dog kennel video with cash and mr. davis and we slowed it down for him, and did you see the water hose in that video on the ground? do you remember seeing that? >> yes, i do. >> was the water hose out? >> obviously, in the video. i don't specifically remember that, but i can look in that video and see it. but that is not something that i noticed. >> so, but, you seen it in the video here? >> yes, sir. >> and then the two dogs were out? >> absolutely. bubba and grady. >> and then you -- how did you get back to the house? >> the same route i had come on. i came down the driveway and made a left on, you saw my route in the car and i drove that same route. >> my question was not clear enough. were you in a vehicle, did you walk? what mode of transportation did you use to get back to the house? >> same way, i went back in the golf cart. it is the golf cart that mark ball testified that he saw where we normally would park it, you pull up, and pull along the front entrance and either you come in from the left and go just past it and it would be on the right or come in from the right and you would be just past it on the left, and that is where i got it in, and that is where i put it back. >> did you do anything else before leaving after you took the chicken out of bubba's mouth? >> no. >> we have heard about bubba being stubborn, and how long did it take you to get the chicken out of bubba's mouth? >> well, bubba could be stubborn and he would listen to me. and when he had the collar on. >> did bubba have on the collar or grady? >> i know that bubba had a collar on. i am not sure about grady. >> okay. go ahead. >> if i misspoke on it, and there is no question about it, bubba had on the collar. i assume that grady did, too, but even though i saw grady, i did not notice for a fact that grady had on a collar, but he probably did. it would make since toense to m he would. >> how long to take the chicken out of his mouth? >> well, bubba is coming back to me to say, hey, i am showing you that i got this chicken. and he is not running from me, but he is proud of the fact that he caught it. he is coming up to me, and bubba is really strong, but you just take your thumb when the dog is clinch and the mouth is little bit open, and all you do is to take the thumb and push in the gum really tight with the sharp teeth and the mouth will open up, and took the chicken out, and i put it on, i believe the portable dog kennel. >> and then you left. >> then i left. >> and did you go back to the house? >> i went straight back to the house to the air conditioner. >> and what did you do when you got back to the house? >> i laid back down on the couch. >> and then what? i mean, was the tv on? >> the tv never got cut off. >> so you went back to the house, and laid down on the couch, and what happened next? >> i am not positive. i dozed off for a minute or didn't doze off for a minute, but i got up off of the couch and i made up my mind that which gouzing to go visit my mom. >> had you spoken to barbara mixon earlier in the day? >> yes, i talk to barbara most days. if i did not see her, i talked to her. >> what was the understanding of your mother's condition on late on the afternoon of the 7th? >> she was agitated. which she got agitated when my dad, and i mean, we were putting my dad in the hospital, and i mean, he had a lot over the 18 mo months, two years, i mean, my dad was in the hospital, he was in the hospital a lot. my mom, i believe my mom knew when my dad was not there, because i mean, she would get agitated, and that is the only term that you could think of. she would get agitated. she'd cry a lot. and she'd be fussy when she normally would not be fussy. i know that alzheimer's patients are unpredictable, but i am convinced that she knew, because it happened frequently. and barbara ann told me that your mom is agitated and you need to check on her. i gave her medicine. she is resting. so it was not anything urgent. but she is resting. so what barbara would do, and barbara could handle her. barbara could handle her better than -- i mean, my mama, and we all love barbara and my mama loved barbara and barbara could get my mom to do things that nobody else, and when she would fuss for anybody else, including me or my brothers and sisters, barbara could get her to, you know, in order. but barbara had given her medicine and to settle her down and calm her down, and that would sometimes make her go to sleep for a little while, but then she'd be agitated when she woke up. >> so, did you go to check on your mom? >> i did. >> did -- where did you park when you got there? >> in the -- you saw the pictures, and there's two exits off of that deck. one of them to the right and one of them straight out that back door, and i would have parked to the left, if you are coming down these steps, and if these are the steps, it