that outbreak probably won't help. the woman caught on tape attacking the judge sentencing her and her husband is right there watching. you're going to see how the whole thing played out. and one more bit of news in the unfolding saga that is casey anthony. as people turn out for a memorial for her murdered daughter, she plans to get out of jail in just a few hours. we're live for you in orlando tonight. plus the pictures that you have to see to believe, a giant telephone tower goes up in flames and what happens next and people scrambling for their lives as it all played out on their tvs at home. and debt talk deadline, a friday has come and gone and republicans stiand democrats st don't agree and republicans don't agree with each other. i'm don lemon at the cnn headquarters in atlanta. thank you for joining us, the news starts right now. we have been paying a lot of attention to the contentious debt notion negotiations go og washington, but the fire has been across the pond, the company that owns fox news and it's widening from news of the world to the sunday times and now even the fbi is opening an investigation. the allegations, hacking the personal phones of public figures and the not so public from murder victims to dead war heroes. >> and that is a firestorm, if you like, that is engulfing parts of the media, parts of the police and indeed, our political systems' ability to respond. >> shame on you! shame on you j! shame on you! ? >> the company's founder, powerful media barron and once untouchable until this, rupert murdock forced to shut down the paper and something he's not used to doing, apologize. i am the founder of the company and i was appalled when i found out what happened. i apologize. >> today murdock apologized to the british public with advertisements in seven national newspapers, topped with the headline "we are sorry". the parent company of the fox news channel, also owns 21st century fox movie studios, the "new york post," "the wall street journal," what are pharp publishing and probably your fox affiliate, among in others. this could have dire implications not only for murdock and the people under him, but for the british prime minister himself. andy colson is also a former editor for news of the world. colson has been arrested for his role in all of this. so the question is, what did his former boss david cameron know and when did he know it. >> let me say once more, if i was lied to, if the police were lied to, if the select committee was lied to it would be a matter of deep regret and a matter for criminal prosecution. >> order! order! anybody might think some orchestrated noise is taking place. order! order! the house will come to order. and these exchanging will continue in an orderly way. mr. ed milibang. >> mr. speaker, the prime minister has just made a very important admission, he has admitted that his chief of staff was given information before the general election that andy colson had hired a man, jailed for seven years for a criminal conspiracy who made payments to the police on behalf of the news of the world. this evidence casts serious zout on mr. colson's assurances that the phone hacking over which he resigned is an isolated example of illegal activity. >> do you know what, mr. speaker? i think the public and the victims of this appalling scandal want us to rise above this and deal with the problems that this country faces. >> mr. speaker, he just doesn't get it. he just doesn't get it. >> i'm afraid, mr. speaker, the person who is not getting it is now the leader of the opposition. >> the unfolding firestorm was brought to light by hollywood actor hugh grant, a brit himself who secretly taped this former news of the world reporter talking about the unsavory practices that he says everyone in his organization condoned and even encouraged. here's hugh grant on why he did it. >> it began with just a personal grievance because i was a victim of phone hacking. and then i had this extraordinary piece of luck where i ran into an ex-features editor for the news of the world himself, it was an unlikely scenario where my car broke down, but anyway, he started boasting about hacking me, ha hacking everyone, all the dirty tricks of the news of the world, the sinister relationship with the police and with the prime minister. >> paul, was this type of hacking business as usual, even expected at your paper and even at others? >> reporter: sorry, i'm unclear, was that question to me? >> yes, was this condoned? was hacking condoned or even encouraged to you and at other papers? >> yes, i mean -- i mean, the public has long since been hacking people like hugh grant up until a few weeks ago, they think that him earning $3 billion a picture and ten turning around to complain about rupert murdock's employees and talking about his private life, there seems to be some hypocrisy there. in fact murdock's empire is so big, i, myself, i remember when -- >> my question to you, mr. mcmullen, if we can stick to this -- because i know that you and hue grant -- >> i was by murdock. again, little sympathy for stars who take the money for a 20th century fox picture. >> mr. mcmullen can you hear me? >> analyzing their private life, it hasn't caused change. this week, laughingly, but when hugh grant turned me over in the same way that i had -- >> producers, can we stop this, please? yes, i would like him to be able to hear me, so we're going to bring him back after the break, because he's not answering my questions, that's paul mcmillan who's a former news of the world reporter, he says that that type of behavior has been condoned and encouraged at his newspaper and others. when we can hear me we'll bring him back right after the break. a kentucky woman is told to stop speaking in court and goes after the judge, it's all caught on camera, you're going to see how it all played out. and if you haven't heard of southern california's one of the major highways is shut down today prompting fears of a carmageddon. we have reporters covering just about every angle of this story and it turned out it was. you can check out my book "transparent." when we come back, we'll have reporter paul mcmillan back with us. announcer: when life's this hard, it's no wonder 7,000 students drop out every school day. visit boostup.org and help kids in your community stay in school. okay, back now to our news of the world story. i want to get to paul mcmullen, he is a former reporter for the news of the world. so, paul, i want to ask you about this type of hacking because it's been said by some that its business as usual at news of the world and even at other papers, did your higher ups know about these practices? >> actually everybody knew, i mean it started from the time way back in the '90s when you could actually buy a scanner in a shop and sit outside a star's house and actually tape record their entire conversation, when that became illegal to buy a scanner, all you were left with was getting into the voicemail box of the celebrity or politician or whoever was being targeted. everybody knew, i mean it was common place, it wasn't just doing it with kids in a schoolyard, it was a very common trick, all you had to do was hit 9 and put in the pin code. they didn't even change those pin codes from four zeros. the problem is, people got just such good results from early on. there's an example, someone on a fishing expedition hacked her phone and listened to three messages and the last one was saying, darling, we had such a good night last night. when you get that quality of information, instead of being a unup every now and then, it started to be done routinely and not just to the hugh grants and nicole kidmans of the world, but to our readers and worse than that, sadly, to the mobile phone of the girl who was in fact murdered and died. and that was really where it came to a head and one of the reporters who did that actually deleted those messages so those messages actually didn't get to her parents. >> were people as high, potential, as rupert murdock co complicit in any of this? would rupert murdock, or people under him have known of these practices? >> when rebecca brooks who was his right hand woman in england, we had the same book, and we were spending 4,000 pounds a week on private investigators doing these kind of practices and just extraordinary, if she was the department boss, she then moved up to be editor, how could you not notice the spending of over 100 grand a year on this kind of thing and not even ask what it's for, so her position is ludicrous, and even worse than that, and for her to turn afternoon and initially, to turn around and say we don't know about it, it was a rogue reporter acting on his own. and five reporters have been arrested and i was taken into scotland yard and threatened with being arrested three times. it's just like a general saying it wasn't me, it was the soldier. >> okay, paul, for those of us who are on this side of the pond, as you say, we're learning that there's now an fbi investigation, also "the wall street journal," the person who heads "the wall street journal" and was a news of the world editor at one point and also a news corporation executive as well, les hinton has had to resign. we're wondering about exposure here in the united states. >> yeah, well, you see i actually was under the misunderstanding that it was legal in the states because they were sharing leads around as friends where courteney cox hacked into her new boyfriend's phone to listen to his ex-girlfriend's messages and everybody made a big joke about it and i thought, huh, it must be legal in the states, but clearly it isn't. i have worked in america, but i certainly have never done it myself in america, can't speak for american journalists, but if your tv show is making a big joke about it, it's got to be pretty common practice in the states as well. >> actually it's not and when it comes to journalism here, it is not common practice. at least i don't know about it. and people i work with don't do it. but these are serious allegations and we appreciate you joining us, paul mcmullan is a former reporter with news of the world and he said everyone knew about those plastics and it was encouraged and expect. so this story is going to keep going for a while. we were all led to believe that the roads in los angeles would be some kind of gridlock hellscape right now, a sea of red taillights, bumper to bumper, the 405 one of the busiest highways in the country shut down, well, the warnings must have worked. because it's not that bad right now, paul buchanan is driving from the burbank airport, and lynndie, i see you, how is it going? >> reporter: it's going really well, don, just look around me, this is wide open freeway, see all the open spaces? you just don't see that in l.a., we have made almost i would call it a 75-mile roundtrip and i would say this is probably the best i have ever seen traffic in l.a. in fact, you know, they talk about carmageddon, this is breezy and light and fluid, it's almost like that boy george song, karma chameleon because this is a piece of take. >> be safe, we're going to go to sandra endo now, is it any worse where are? things look pretty smooth actually. >> reporter: oh, yeah, don, smooth sailing here on ventura boulevard, we have been trying to find people figuring out ways to get around town. we have seen some people walking, some people on bikes, the city has been encouraging people to take mass transit. also more trains, they're free as well. take a look at ventura boulevard, this is one of the major streets here in the san fernando valley, if there was a carmageddon, if there was a car populous, you would see the traffic backup on this boulevard, but it's smooth sailing, a lot of people just minding their business, going about their day like it's any old day, and actually this is pretty light for an average saturday, so clearly, everyone took heed of the warning and stayed home or are just not getting into their cars. >> i don't know if i have seen traffic that night on ventura boulevard. thanks again to paul buchanan. >> when we come right back, trying to make sense out of a senseless murder that has rocked the jewish community in brocklin, new york. how do you give your child the independence to walk home without putting him or her in harm's way. i'll talk to wendy walsh. ask me about my tempur advanced ergo. ask me about having all the right moves. these are real tempur-advanced ergo owners! find one for yourself. check out twitter. try your friends on facebook... see what they have to say...unedited. it goes up... ask me what it's like to get a massage ---any time you want. ...it goes down... ergo...nomics... ergo...nomics... tempur-pedic brand owners are more satisfied than owners of any traditional mattress brand. 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[ crying ] >> it's so hard to listen to that, you can see, you can just hear how distraught he is, the father is speaking yiddish, but his sobs need to translation, he grieves for his boy, levy clutsky. police arrested aaron for allegedly murdering the child when he asked for help. it is so hard to listen to that man, he's just grieving for his son. the boy was an orthodox jew and we believe the murder suspect is also an orthodox jew as well. but do you think that played a part in the boy asking for help because he felt comfortable, he's in the confines of his community, and a sheltered community pretty much at that? >> i think certainly there's this false sense of security in small towns, in small communities and communities of nate who are faith-based. but mental illness knows no religion. and in fact, many people with mental illnesses gravitate toward religious communities because of the nurturing supportive communities they r i think the important thing here is that kids have to be educated in a different way than we did it a long time ago. it's not about stranger danger, and in fact strangers might be perfectly safe. it's about telling kids to listen to their stomachs more, and about tricky people and how to recognize that. >> i think it comes with maturity, and you have to maybe watch your child. and maybe a better question is what's a better age or a better time or maybe it's just maturity wise, when you can leave your child home alone or let them walk home, and it probably has to do with individuals rather than an age. >> i think it has to do with individual kids, their gender, their maturity level and it has to do with communities. i walked to school a half a mile, and i went back there to visit, and i was like i couldn't believe i walked that far in kindergarten. but it was a community in nova scotia, canada. kids need to walk with a group of kids where it's much more safer. these parents did everything they could. this is in no way blaming these parents who tried to prepare their child as best they could. but it's really for other parents who are trying to make these decisions. >> i took a city bus, my smaller cousin and i across town to go to school. it's a different day and age now. >> yeah. >> let's go on to another parent issue, something brought up by the respected journal of the american medical association. these two people, i want you to take a look. a pediatric endocrinologist say that kids who are morbidly obese should be put into foster care, these are kids who are severely overweight we are talking about. an example is a 12-year-old kid who was 400 pounds. is this a good idea? >> they are speaking from the place of their disciplines and i have great respect for medical doctors and i speak from the place of psychology, i think an attachment injury, tearing a child away from their parents and making the child blame themselves for their behavior because kids always blame themselves and suffering in a sense of longing, leads to a greater attachment injury can lead to certainly greater attachment disorders as an adult. in a perfect world, if medicine and school can get together, it should be a family intervens. >> when they say morbidly obese, they're in danger of dieing? >> they're in danger of dying. >> so these parents are in a sense killing their kids because they're not given the right situation, why shouldn't they be taken away? >> a child of that level of obesity in a house, there's got to be at least one obese parent, so there's got to be an intervention, everybody needs help. but tearing kids away from families sometimes adds a greater injury. . a possible reason there's no deal on the debt talks might be because republicans aren't on the same page themselves. i'm going to talk to cnn contribute for will king who's been in on the debate on the debates. e power train warranty. and the horsepower. only ram delivers this kind of muscle. that'll thin out the herd real quick. guts. glory. ram. [ gun fire ] the sounds of gun fire on the streets of damascus, syria. you can see ben in plains clothes, firing guns. the anti-government protests show no sign of easing. 21 civilians died in protests yesterday across the country. a private meeting at the white house between president barack obama and the dalai lama. the white house says the president repeated his support for a direct dialogue between china and tibet. he also praised the tibetan spiritual leader for his commitment to nonvines. -- nonviolence. i want to get there, i want to do what i think is in the right -- the best interests of the country. but it takes two to tango and they're not there yet. >> republicans like house speaker john boehner had big differences with president obama over raising the debt ceiling, but one reason there's no deal yet, because republicans aren't 100% in agreement with each other. we asked cnn contribute for will cane to weigh in on the political debates on the political left and on the political right. you have seen several factions dividing republicans here, what do you see? >> yeah, this is how i see it, don. i see that you have got about three different groups on the republican side. first you've got the populous. you can read a poll and see that people are wrongly against raising the debt ceiling a second group would be just the stubborn. that's eric cantor, cantor wants to live up to his 2000 promise to get big spending cuts. but he doesn't seem to understand that you can't govern from one branch of the government. the third group would be the deal makers, these are boehner and mcconnell, the people who really know how to make a deal. they are really motivated by the desire to reduce the size of government. >> what about cantor? >> it's not just eric cantor. people are saying why aren't republicans taking the big grand bargain that obama is asking for, the $3 trillion cut, but there's bigger issues than just what's going on on the republican side. i think there's a trust issue. i think two months ago when we averted a government shutdown, we had some cuts that turned out to be nothing. republicans can't go back to their constituents that turn out to be bogus. >> we really don't know what the deal s right, because they haven't even come close enough to let the cat out of the bag, so to speak? here's what i'm wondering and i think a lot of people are wondering the same thing. have republicans, because of the extremes in the party, the tea party and what have you, have t