them to pay. >> and the lie one member of brit tissue parliament told about me. >> if all you know about tom arnold is his marriage to roseanne barr, then you don't know the half of it. >> jenny craig offered me and my wife $20 million to lose 20 pounds. who could not do that? i can think of two people. >> he'll talk about his friendship with arnold schwarzenegger. that's tom arnold and this is "piers morgan tonight." good evening. a dramatic day for rupert murdoch. hours of tough questioning coming to a sudden halt with this. murdoch slattered with a shaving cream pie, thrown by a man identified as johnny marbles. murdoch's wife, wiendi deng, leaping to his defense. more questions to rupert and his son james. louise mensch accused me not one but twice of boasting in a book that i had gotten scoops when i worked for the daily mirror. >> piers morgan side open until his book, clearly published before this whole controversy broke, that he had hacked phones, he said that he won scoop of the year for a story, and he actually gave a tutorial on how one accesses voice mail by punching in a set default code, and clearly from the account that he gives, he did it routinely as editor of "the daily mirror." >> absolutely wrong, mrs. mensch. i never hack aid phone, never told anyone else to hack a phone. here is what i actually said in the book "the insider." apparently if you don't change the standard security code that every phone comes with, then anyone can call your number and if you don't answer, tap in the standard four-digit code to hear all your messages. i'll change mine just in case. but it makes me wonder how many public figures and celebrities are aware of this little trick." she was confronted directly are what kind of evidence do you have to make that acquisition against piers morgan. >> i said what i said in the committee room, but i'm afraid right now i'm going to say that i can't comment about it outside of the committee room. inside parliament, when i speak in a select committee of parliament, i am protected by parliamentary privilege to repeat something outside of parliament doesn't give me cloak of privilege. >> piers morgan is joining us on the phone right now. i want to give him a chance to respond to that very direct allegation you made against him and his reputation. piers, go ahead and respond and tell mrs. mensch what you think. >> i'm amused by her cowardice in refusing to repeat that. what she did is a deliberate and outrageous attempt to smear my name, cnn's name, and the daily mirror's name. and to have the breath taking gal to sit here and calmly say i can't repeat that because i haven't got privilege is an outrage. and i call on you now, ms. mensch, to show some balls, repeat what you said about me and go buy a copy of my book "the insider" and see where in that book these claims that you made today in a televised committee, watched all over the world, where that claim is in that book? because it isn't there. >> all right, mrs. mensch, do you want to respond to that? >> as i've just said, i made the claims in the select committee. and people will look at them. >> it's not in the book, though, mrs. mensch, is it? let's figure on exactly what you said. for more, i want to bring in cnn producer jonathan ward. he was not only in the room, but seated right behind rupert murdoch. you are not a cnn producer. very confusing for the pair of you. you had an amazing ringside seat to this. quite extraordinary scenes when the protester attacked rupert murdoch. what was it like for you being so close to that? >> well, it was -- it was very dramatic. at first i wasn't sure what he was doing this gentleman appeared from the back of the room. he didn't seem threatening. i thought perhaps he was trying to make his way to the other side of the room. next thing i know, he was speaking to rupert murdoch with the in to nation of someone scolding a naughty child, and he said you're a greedy billionaire, and then he took out of a plastic bag that he was holding by his side, this polystyrene plate filled with what i found out later was shaving foam. i found out because it went everywhere, including me, it was shaving foam, and plunged it in his face, prompting an almighty reaction, particularly from rupert murdoch's wife, wendi deng. >> she moved faster than a navy s.e.a.l. and took out this guy, pretty impressive. >> she was closest, but nonetheless, she struck him with a right hand, and then she took the plate, which the attacker used to strike rupert murdoch and hit him back with it, give him a taste of his own medicine, and as we left the room, we were all asked to leave, that is the members of the press and members of the public. so that the session could be suspended. she was sitting next to rupert murdo murdoch, and she has had recognized that no real damage had been done. it was shocking, but no real injury, and she was sitting next to him smiling and pleased with the speed and the effectiveness of her reaction. >> jonathan, what do we know about the attacker? >> well, right after the attack took place, i started speaking to the police who were running arou. all they were lling me, this was a live incident and looking into it urgently. they have since said it was a 26 year old who they arrested on suspicion of assault, but he has tweeted, in fact, he tweeted just before the incident, under the name of johnny marbles. he's listed as an activist and comedian. and he tweeted, it's a far better thing that i do now than i have ever done before, splat. and that was moments before he threw the shaving foam pie into rupert murdoch's face. and i've seen some of his youtube clips and it -- it certainly looks exactly like the individual i saw carry out this attack earlier today. >> well, mr. marbles may have had his day, but, of course, he probably ensures all of the headlines tomorrow will be about wendi deng's right hook and less about the murdochs getting grilled, which may not have been what his objective was. i want to speak with becky ward who has worked with several murdoch papers. james fallows for the national correspond respondent and richard quest back in london. let's me start with you, james fallows. a massive day for the murdoch family and news corporation. what is your overview? how did they do? >> miraculously, the pie may have saved the whole day for the murdoch family. of course, as you pointed out it will dominate the headlines. the spectacle of wendi, trying to step in and protect her husband, and rupert murdoch being wronged. that changed a very difficult beginning for both murdochs in the first hour of the hearing. when rupert murdoch seemed sometimes confused, slow, and often in an almost touching way, james murdoch would try to intervene and supply information that his father didn't have. and the mps would say, no, we'd like to hear from rupert murdoch. the pie changed the whole dynamic of the day. >> very dramatic scenes. would you agree it was the pie that won it? >> no, i actually don't think i would agree. i think the pie incident will be seen for what it is, which was a disgraceful, appalling breach of parliamentary regulations and will be dealt with as such. and that fundamentally, people will turn back. the pie will be a side bar, and it may have made the headlines tomorrow, but the answers that were given by the murdochs in the hearings, will be what people will focus on in the longer term and don't forget one other crucial point. there are the police inquiries, the independent police commission, where you have this massive judicial inquiry that still has to get under way, along with further inquiries that will come from this committee. long and short, the pie might be the froth, if you like, but i think that people will concentrate on what was said. >> and for thefrom what you saw where were the murdochs weakest today? >> clearly on the fundamental question, which never got answered. why did you not know? i mean, they danced around it. got into some incredible detail about payments to "x," payments to "y." what did you know, who signed this contract? it was very detailed. parliamentary process at its best and worst. but we never got to the answer, why didn't you know? and particularly with mrs. brooks, again and again, it was brought to her, but we never really fundamentally understood how did these people who should have or perhaps might have known failed to know? and i think that is still very much a question to be answered, probably by the judicial inquiry. >> let me turn to you, vicky ward, a personal friend of the murdochs. we spoke to you yesterday. you movingly spoke about rupert murdoch. it's a difficult day. he started off saying it's a the most humble day of his life. >> and there was an e-mail from wendi, that she had slapped him. and i e-mailed back, go, girl, or go, wendi. he was very fragile, contrite at the beginning and started to get more resilient, more rambunctious toward the end. he came out strong about the telegraph. an important point here. two years ago, the british public seemed quite content to -- when the "daily telegraph" broke a very big story about the abuses on mps' expenses and obtained this information by paying for it, paying for stolen documents, what he was trying to point out, he created a culture there to expose the establishment. and clearly what we saw today was the beginning of a process which needs to draw a line between exposing and making a democracy transparent which is good, and tampering with the law and doing illegal things and describing police, which is clearly very, very bad. but it was apparent that he wasn't -- >> let me bring in james fallows on that point. what was interesting watching it, i saw people observing the murdochs seemed to be a mibit mumbling. this reminded me of the meetings i had with him 16 years ago. when he warmed up, he was the murdoch of old. i expect when he started, he was very conscious of not saying the wrong thing and that is why he was taking time to answer. what's interesting to me, he made it clear he didn't feel the buck stopped with him is that a position that's acceptable for a guy who is chairman and ceo of a news corporation? >> it's quite a surprising position, and there is a different of your reaction to this and most of the public. most of us have never done business with rupert murdoch and know what he is like inside. the first impression of him being very cautious and sometimes worse than cautious, unsure of what he is saying. that is a surprise giving the view of murdoch of this controlling figure. probably the most influential media figure in the world and finally his saying he wasn't accepting responsibility. i think especially to an american audience, that would be a jarring thing to hear, because the normal way to deal with these things to say that finally as the captain of the ship. head 6 the enterprise, commander of the unit, one does take responsibility. that was a jarring note, at least to an american public. >> i found it quite applaumusin. people talking about the repeated banging of the first. he has done that all his life. it can convey both pleasure and displeasure. i wouldn't read too much into that. the stock price of news corp. rose by 6% today. huge amount of money has come back into the company as a result of these hearings. clearly the markets didn't feel there was any more damage today, if anything, a baft stabit of a stabilizing of the ship. do you see it that way? >> i certainly would. initially when we went into the day, there was the prospect of this rumor, of a board meeting and perhaps murdoch would retire or resign, and the stock price rose, and we all interpreted this stock price as being murdoch's out, new man in, investors love it. by the end of the day, they got a flash that news corp. is by no means over, and anybody who had written it off, had better certainly watch out for their own back. >> finally, richard, greatest scandal in british history from your experience? >> oh, no, no, no, no. no. a good scandal. a grade "a" scandal, but it doesn't come -- in my humble opinion, it doesn't come close to the electorate, the mps' expenses scandal. this was elected politicians basically robbing the public. here we have a private company up to no good. >> and for many of the members of parliament, clearly a bit of payback i would think. thank you, all, very much. coming up, my candid conversation with tom arnold. he tells all on his roller coaster life and dark childhood secret. 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>> i think if you do standup, the kind of standup i like, you have to tell the truth and hopefully you've had some interesting thing. the saddest things, most painful things, are oftentimes the funniest. so before i did the special, i did some specials in '91, '92, '93, with judd apatow. i did some studies on audiences and i hoped they didn't know everything, but they do. even young people. >> it's interesting, the saddest stuff is often most comic. is there anything about your life that you can't joke about? >> well, i can't think of anything. there are things that are better than others. you know, i think if -- it's hard to find a way to make child abuse funny. you know, sexual abuse. you know, but i think there's probably a way. i think someone could do it. since it happened to me, i own it a little bit. i can -- i can direct people where i want, and, you know, nothing is off-limits. >> let's play a little clip from the dvd. >> america has got the fattest poor people on the planet. i tell you, our poor people weigh 400 pounds, smoke 4 packs of cigarettes a day. i'm not too worried. you go to africa, their poor people look hungry. but we're americans, damnit. >> i'm from iowa. >> but are you considerably smaller than i thought you might be. >> i'm working on it people think i'm shorter and fatter. i'm 6'2", 240. they think i'm 300 pounds, 5'6". >> have you had sort of an ongoing battle? >> my battle with food and my weight is the core of my alcoholism, of everything. my self-esteem is tied to that. and so it's been a battle since i was a kid. >> and how are you feeling these days about the way you look? >> i need to lose some weight. i have lost some weight, but i would like to lose more. i've never been happy. i thought i was fat when i was thin. when i was a kid, afraid to take my shirt off in front of other kids. when you come from a farming area, that's hard. you get a farmer tan. but i think i'm still -- my self-esteem is caught up in it. >> you worked as a young guy in a meatpacking plant in iowa. >> um-hum. >> do you remember that experience well? >> i remember working at hormel very well. the good things, i had a lot of friends there. they still work there. it was hard work. it was a good job. i had insurance. and i really -- you know, best job in ottumwa, iowa, to get at that time. it also was a place without windows. there is a lot of death. we killed 5,000 hogs a day. that can get -- get on your nerves a little bit. >> were you a good hog slayer? >> i was. my nickname was gunner. we try to do it in a humane way, but it's tough. it's a rough business. >> if your life hadn't taken your deviation to standup, do you ever wonder you would still be there now? >> you know, when i don't feel -- i got fired from hormel. arrested for public nudity in an old folks home. >> what? >> me, mike, and mo, nothing to do in ottumwa, iowa, after 10:00. i called in sick to work. they had a strike system. three strikes and you are out. the party ended at 10:00, and on the way back, i was staying at indian hills community college. on the way back, let's streak. the only thing open were the diner and jefferson square manor. the diner, no one was there. we knew the nurses at jefferson square mondayor it wasn't for the people. the nurses called the police, and i got arrested. hands cuffed behind my back. in the middle of main street on a cold december day. >> what was that moment like? >> terrifying. i hope this is funny one day. powerless, you're handcuffed. people driving by, people i've known my whole life. and i pray this is funny one day, and here it's sort of funny. my dad had to come bail me out of jail, naked. >> hard to explain to your father. >> especially my father, jack. very upright citizen, people love him. his oldest son was crazy. >> the naked hog splayer. >> exactly. >> standup saved you from all of this. when did you realize this could be a career and not just a bit of fun? >> the first time i got offered a paying job, $15, university of iowa they had an open mike night. you could come and tell jokes, read a poem. whatever, i signed up for it. and i loved the response. i live in minneapolis, come up there and i'll give you a job. i packed my stuff in a trash bag, got on a bus. had 100 bucks, showed up at the club, i have a full-time job, and they said, no, no, no. one night for $15. i got scared, and i was a bartender down the street. did i whatever i could to support it, but getting that $15 changed my life. >> you are obviously inexorablely linked to roseanne barr. >> yeah, how is that? >> is that a good thing or not a good thing? >> i haven't talked to her face to face in almost 18