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account the reality of our state of the world today. so i'm completely behind donald trump in that statement. >> i'm not so sure that it's about idea but i don't know that it's a great idea either. >> i'm a veteran paratrooper, been in three different campaigns and two different wars, iraq and afghanistan. and i've had too many brothers and sisters lost over there in those two wars to just let them come here free range in our country now. it's a kick in the face to every veteran there is that's fought in those wars. to us trying to protect our homeland from them coming in and then the current administration letting them in. >> but reaction against trump has come fast and furious today. the highest ranking republican elected house speaker paul ryan weighing in denouncing donald trump earlier today. >> normally, i do not comment on when's going on in the presidential election. i will take an exception today. this is not conservatism. what was proposed yesterday is not what this party stands for. and more importantly, it's not what this country stands for. not only are there many muslims serving in our armed forces, dying for this country, there are muslims serving right here in the house working every day to uphold and to defend the constitution. some of our best and biggest allies in this struggle and fight against radical islamic terror are muslims. >> joining me now nbc news political director moderator of "meet the press" chuck todd with steve kornacki here in the newsroom. we just heard within the last pour of jeb bush. i want to play that sound and then we'll talk. >> what we shouldn't do is to just, you know, say, all muslims aren't coming into our country. you've got to find the proper balance of believing in american values and being serious and real about keeping us safe. it's not about the blowhards out there just saying stuff. this's not a program. that's not a plan. this is serious business. >> and, chunlg, the big political, does any of this hurt donald trump? does it help donald trump? does it hurt or help jeb bush? >> look, if donald trump wants to be president of the united states he's really hurt himself. okay? this is not way to get to 50% plus 1 in this country and probably the support of majority of the republican partiment is it going to hurt him right now? probably not. this is basically the same message to preach since getting in the race. all of the problems you're feeling, let me tell you who to blame. mexicans. it is china. >> it's gotten -- >> no, no. >> more hard core. >> he escalates it and what's it done is you have had a republican party that's been afraid to confront him. you've had a republican party behind the scenes saying what do we do? they're condemning today. the question is, it's the next step. are they going to go to the point to hear candidates saying, i won't support him? are you going to go to the next step and the rnc says we don't want you on our debates and then decide it is so bad for the brand of the republican party that we have to make a public effort to keep him out of the party? which in many ways might only help him more with the same group of people who, of course, feel as if the establishment or the elites let them down? i'm not saying that's the answer but that is -- seems to be the only logical next step for the party to go. the party is panicked on this because he is -- he is doing -- this is doing to the party what they have always feared trump could do. one thing and everybody has to respond. every single republican in the country has to respond. >> we have heard from one of them today. >> going ahead and doing what paul l ryan said. i don't like to have to respond but today i have to. it's detrimental to the brand of the party. >> a brand new poll shows 68% of the trump supporters would vote for him even if he ran as an independent. i assume that has to be the rnc's biggest fear. >> well, yeah. i think that gets to the fear of the republican party has that chuck's talking about right there. the more they go after them, the more they go after him, i think the more loyalty engenders of the core of trump's base, the idea he is fought by the party establishment, he is the enemy, out to get him. and i'm looking at the reactions today and, right, it is true. not going to find a republican speaking up and saying, yes, i agree with donald trump on this. i, too, i want to embrace this plan. you had paul ryan really going out of his way to condemn the statements. same time you had ted cruz. you thought this was the most interesting one. you had ted cruz coming out, no, saying this isn't my proposal and then praised donald trump and then said he would refuse any opportunity to attack donald trump. >> steve, we have that sound if they want to roll it. go ahead and roll that ted cruz sound so people can hear what he had to say. >> i disagree with that proposal. i like donald trump. a lot of our friends here have encouraged me to criticize and attack donald trump. i'm not interested in doing so but i believe we need a plan that is focused on the direct threat and the threat we're facing is radical islam terrorism. >> so that's a different tone, chuck, from hearing and there are gradations of tone. >> this is ted cruz's strategy all along. any time that trump said something that people think call or require a condemnation, cruz has always refused to condemn the man, only the idea if he disagrees with the idea. but he's clearly walking that line because anybody that would stand to benefit the most from trump somehow getting out of the race would be ted cruz. so, you know, they are sort of swimming in the same pool of voters a little bit here and he can't be looking totally anti-trump or hurt himself. >> speaking of that pool of voters, steve, there is clearly a segment of the republican voting population who this all appeals to and iowa poll in september found that only 49% of iowa republicans think the religion of islam should be legal in america. let me say that again. 49% of iowa republicans said islam should be legal. of course, it is legal. to practice in the united states. but does that point to the group of voters that we heard from, from his event and gave him a standing ovation last night, steve? >> yes. but i think it's broader than that. a lot of times we look at trump saying this is a phenomenon of the republican base. i think specifically on this question of islam, on this question of muslims, it is broader than that because there was a poll taken just last month that asked the question, is islam itself compatible with american values in the american way of life? 56% of all americans, all parties said that it isn't and that includes 43% of democrats. i think that's one of the things you're seeing with donald trump here. you find the numbers tend to be all over the place a little bit depending on the poll you look at. what kind of voters are you encolliding in the polls? opening it up to non-traditional republicans, trump does better. we don't necessarily aappreciate it. it's not just the hard-core republican base. he is appealing to a broader swath than that. >> don't forget, kate, you know, we as americans and it's a human nature thing what you don't know you fear. and the fact of the matter is a lot of americans don't know a lot about islam. they just don't know a lot about it. there isn't this -- the two people you could say, let's -- these are two people you expect to speak for the religion of islam in america. that doesn't -- >> unfamiliarity. i grew up in upstate new york. i didn't know a single muslim american growing up. >> most famous people speaking out in defense of islam are american politicians not islam, not muslim right now. it is mostly the president or speaker ryan. plenty of people saying don't, you know, don't do this. i think that that also presents the challenge here where, again, the unfamiliarity breeds the fear because they just hear it's radical islamism. the lack of familiarity with a religion adds to this. >> chuck, lastly, what we're doing right here, the fact that we're talking about donald trump. >> hijacked everything. >> rush limbaugh today, i won't quote him directly but essentially said donald trump is playing the fmedia like a fiddl. >> the media, the press, the country. everybody's got their own conspiracy theory. in there to help the clintons secretly. he was worried the polls fall and threw this crazy idea out there and look what it did. everybody stopped in their tracks and everybody's talking about trump, trump, trump again. he doesn't do -- he isn't -- he doesn't do anything willy nilly. >> he's strategic. >> he is in this and you can't help but note the timing of this as ted cruz is surging in iowa from all -- no matter how you measure it, all of a sudden he freezes the race in place with this. everything, everybody has stopped in its place in the political world to deal with this. >> steve, steve schmidt, the gop analyst said to politico today, when republican voters look at obama, they see weakness, fecklessness and indecisiveness and trump is in their estimation the antidote to that. >> yeah. no. i mean, there's a contrast here, too, on trump's part. with this proposal, chuck's saying we have the different theories why he chose now. another one you throw out there is he threw it out a day after president obama gave his prime time address on his plan to defeat isis, dealing with terrorism and all sorts of commentary there about was the president strong enough, did he have a clear enough plan and here's donald trump going about as far as possible in the opposite direction as you can go. i think probably trying to draw a very intentional contrast there to appeal to voters feeling obama is very weak on this. >> steve, chuck, always good to see you goois. thanks for being with us. >> see you in a couple of hours. coming up, we'll go to capitol hill where the house is expected to vote on tighteninging restrictions on the u.s. visa waver program. proud of you, son. ge! a manufacturer. well that's why i dug this out for you. it's your grandpappy's hammer and he would have wanted you to have it. it meant a lot to him... yes, ge makes powerful machines. but i'll be writing the code that will allow those machines to share information with each other. i'll be changing the way the world works. 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that could go on indefinitely. >> >> it's all it is a feel or a touch. look. how many people more people got checks put into their accounts? obviously somebody gave them money. i hope that the fbi and our great law enforcement are able to figure this out. but they have tremendous money. i said knock out the oil. nobody listened to me. nobody knocked out the oil. i said check the banking systems. they have intricate banking webs. they have tremendous money. how many other people given $28,000 or more or less to go out and do destruction like the two animals did the other day in california? we have a very, very serious problem and we can solve the problem but we have to solve it through intelligence and we have to solve it through toughness. >> this is nicole. >> hi, nicole. i hope your father still likes me. >> i was going to ask you about your supporters. you have a lot of supporters and drawn to your strength and your straight talk for many, many months now. you have been atop of the republican field for a long time now. do you feel any obligation to them to balance your passion for the issues in the wake of the paris attacks in san bernardino with things that come part with the values and the constitution? >> yeah, i do. i have an obligation, not just to my supporters, the country. i have a great obligation to the country and i'm saying something to be said. and not all the candidates i'm running against come out and scorned me for this. i'm using common sense and something we have to use. you will have other world trade centers. you are going to have other cities being blown up. we don't want that. we don't want that to happen. that's going to happen. we have very, very lax laws. we have a president that's incompetent. we have a president that made a speech the other night that was at the end of the speech, i said, what did he say? he said nothing. reaction to donald trump is coming in today from capitol hill, as well, where we're also following developing news at this hour, the house expected to begin a vote on tightening parts of the so-called visa waiver program. currently that visa waiver program allows easier entry into the united states for those with passports from the 38 countries you see on the screen. for more, let's bring in nbc news capitol hill correspondent luke russert. luke, vote expected pretty soon? >> reporter: well, it was supposed to be in this hour, kate. however, it's now being delayed. not because there's a problem with the bill. this visa waiver's tightening bill expected to pass overwhelming and because democrats are on the house floor right now using a series of procedural motions to protest the vote they can't get a vote on a bill to prevent terrorists no-fly list from bying guns and something the senate voted on last week. democrats want the opportunity to vote on it here. they're not getting it. the visa waiver program, this is something that's going to get a huge number, we are talking over 300 or so votes on the house floor and originally zuszed in light of paris. there's a huge emphasis on it after san bernardino. and the idea essentially is that you would have a department of homeland security working in connection with interpol make some real changes to the poll with bio metric screening, more accountability in terms of coming in and out of the country and these are things that a lot of security professionals talked about as being very important and the president gave it his endorsement unofficially i would argue during his speech on sound so expect it to gate big vote, kate. >> what's the reaction like on capitol hill today to donald trump's proposal? there was some speaking out on the floor of the house. >> reporter: i think you played that clip of speaker ryan and i covered him and that's the most forceful to talk about anything, saying this is not in connection with american values. you sad david jolly, a member of the house from florida, he is's running in a senate republican primary in florida. he said that trump should bail out of the race. mitch mcconnell, doesn't usually talk about presidential politics, took an opportunity today to say donald trump's language wrong and not in connection with american values. similar to what paul ryan said. you're starting to see a real run away from trump in the most forceful manner that i remember. i even think it's fair to speak late at this point, kate, while the establishment said they'll support the nominee, after what happened with trump yesterday, from conversations i have had with a lot of members and a lot of aides, i think if trump were to get the nomination, there would be something would happen in cleveland from this establishment. they did not -- this scared them today and might be the one that really gets people working against donald trump in some cohesive manner behind the scenes. >> luke russert following it all on capitol hill, thank you. >> thank you. contributions of the growing muslim american community in context plus more of the extensive interview today with donald trump. wildlife rescue workers open up a lot of dawn. tough on grease...yet gentle. dawn helps open... something even bigger. go to facebook.com, dawn saves wildlife. ♪ hi, tom. how's the college visit? 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that's really surprising to americans the hear. highest levels of government, particularly on the issue that donald trump says they're going to be the most harmful which is national security. when you look at where muslims sitting in the national security apparatus in the united states, they're at the heads of counterterrorism efforts within the cia. they are analysts, linguists within the -- >> invaluable because of their knowledge of the region and arabic and all of that. >> absolutely. you have the numbers of how many muslim americans are in the military. about 6,000 active members serve currently in the united states military between guard, reserves and active duty and on top of that, you talk to law enforcement officials, whether it's the fbi and others that are on the front lines of thwarted terrorist attacks and tell you they get so many tips from the muslim american community and by some estimates out of 188 terrorists arrested in the united states, about a third of those have come from tips within the muslim american community. they're a tremendous ally for our security and our own safety in this country. >> and segues into what i wanted to play for our audience this morning on "morning joe" this interview we have been playing a lot of, donald trump was pressed on the importance of having the muslim community in as an ally essentially in the fight against terror. take a listen. >> you and i both know if you we win the war against isis and stop terror in america we have to make sure the muslim-american community is on our side. it's like community policing. you've seen, my gosh, you were tough on crime in new york city in the 1980s. you took out full-page ads and then you have giuliani, bloomberg and others coming together and they did community policing. >> right. >> if you see something, you report something. >> i have always been tough on crime. >> don't we need to do the same thing with the muslim community where the muslim-americans see themselves as part of the american fabric where they're on our side against the radicals? don't we need to reach out to them? >> i want them on our side, joe. i hope they are on our side. >> can he reasonably expect muslim-americans to be on his side? >> on side of the united states of america and muslim organizations repeatedly said this that they're cooperating with law enforcement officials on every level of the united states effort to try to defeat and thwart terrorist organizations. they're not answering to donald trump. you hear this time and time again, very strong cooperation of leaders, religious leaders and social activist leaders in the muslim-american leader with law enforcement officials. i mean, it goes beyond that. it goes to the level of human intelligence in some of the most dangerous parts of the wars that the united states is fighting. people who are operatives working with the government feeding information back to the u.s. to prevent terrorist attacks. >> are you hearing concerns today in light of what donald trump are saying, hearing concerns of people saying, we don't know how we're going to be able to work -- if he become it is nominee, if he's the president of this nation, then what? >> well, in terms of responses today, you have heard condemnation of a few organizations, prominent muslim-american organizations like c.a.r.e. and muslim-americans commenting a thbt and people going to be very -- it's questionable to see when he does and if he does become president whether or not he can implement something like this. forget the ban on muslims and such but in terms of the impact this will have on national security, once you're in power and you have responsibility on your shoulders, the decision making process is very different and when he's across the table from law enforcement officials in this country, and they're telling him these are some of the best assets, best allies we can't just pull them out of the theater because you want to ban muslims. that's not going to happen that easily nigh a piece of "time" magazine writes this. another generation or two will see a vastly different american islam that will likely have an impact on muslims global from marginalized minority american muslims are poised to become mainstream leaders and as the death knell for islam's golden age this muslim renaissance is growing out of the west itself. interesting perfective. >> it is. it's also very true perspective. you have already seen that a lot in the private sector. america flourishes with the freedoms and giving the opportunity we know that we get the best out of human potential. and so what we're seeing is that some of the effort that is the united states is trying to engage in with the muslim world to try to defeat isis to try to combat extremism, some of the best ideas in that realm alone are coming from muslim-americans and not just that, it's also the art, the sciences, the business world. you are getting so much contribution of the muslim-american society that with the scale of time those contributions constantly get larger and a larger impact in the world. and on muslims around the world. not just in the united states. >> ayman, so good to have your perspective today. is trump's proposal unconstitutional? 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>> well, no, because fdr did it. if you look at it, i mean, you know, they said the same thing when i said we have to do strong borders and look back at dwight eisenhower. i like ike. >> did the japanese -- did the japanese internment camps go against american values? >> we have to be smart, mark, and we have to be vigilant and if we're not going to be smart and vigilant and honestly, we also have to be tough. >> did the internment -- >> three things and we don't have a country left. >> did it violate american values? >> we are not talking about internment. >> i'm asking you. >> that's a different question. don't ask me that different question. let me ask you -- >> did they violate your sense of american values? >> mark, what about franklin roosevelt's presidential proclamations, 25, 25, 25, 26 and 25, 27. take a look at it, mark. >> one more time, did the internment of the japanese-americans violate your sense of american values, yes or no? >> i don't want to respond. you know why? that's not what we're ding. >> you're appealing to the fears. do you feel good about what? >> no. i want to live in a place of peace and people don't walk in to rooms with innocent people. they didn't have guns. it would have been a different story. but i really want where people aren't going to walk into a place and shoot everybody and they have no protection. i mean, gene, we have a world trade center knocked down. almost twice. the first time, people forget the first time. but we have other things happening. we have isis that wants to destroy us. and we take people openly and then we find out they become radicalized and what you do is you have to look at other parts of the world and see what happens when this happens. it's a very, very serious problem for our country. >> so if you've been checking your facebook feed or twitter today, you know that trump's comments have created a firestorm on social media. they come as concerns grow about the number of anti-muslim incidents in the united states. according to a new report, the attacks in paris have sparked a widespread backlash and even though muslim groups condemned the attacks in paris and san bernardino. for more, i'm joined by cal perry with us. you have been kind of looking at all the social media traffic, the online discussion. >> yeah. we are tracking the anti-muslim attacks. the attorney general lynch mentioned this saying she's worried this talk, this rhetoric leads to attacks. here's a map of anti-muslim incidents taking place in the united states in the last two weeks. this is between the time period of the paris period before san bernardino. making that clear to our viewers. before san bernardino. i want to show you. they're spread out around the country and show you three specific examples. we're going to start here with clayton alexander and put on facebook to shoot up a mosque and images of himself holding a gun with the ammunition, kate, saying that this was going to happen and arrested. he was charged with making a terrorist threat. second, john, hancock, new york. he helped organize some of the protests in and around arizona. the fbi issued a warning around the country flagging hit to the new york state police to know he was probably headed there. that's another one. so then finally, third, we have the mosque in manassas. this mosque has taken repeated threats, a lot of them over the phone and voicemails. most recent one after the paris attacks, if any jews killed in that paris attack, we'll vandalize this mosque and a growing concern online and people share these comments, spread it around. >> is there any way of telling how much of the online conversation is negative against what trump is calling for versus positive? >> from what i've seen, it's overwhelmingly negative against trump and supporters are coming to his defense especially on twitter and facebook. >> all right. cal perry, thank you so much. in the statements last night and today, donald trump is proposing limiting entry to this country for anyone who practices islam. on "morning joe" this morning, he clarified that what he's proposing is for an agent at a border entry to say, are you muslim? and if they said, yes, they would not be allowed in the united states. is that idea actually constitutional, joining me now msnbc chief legal correspondent ari melber. is that constitutional? >> no. it's not constitutional and almost certainly legal and as lawrence tribe put it, harvard constitutional scholar, interviewing him about this last night, both illegal and stupid. his word and i spoke to scholars of stamford and cornell law school. nobody thinks it's constitutional because even dealing with non-citizens and don't get all the same protections as american citizens under the law, this is still suspect categories, kate. that's the idea that the government can't pick and choose and say we only like this race or we only like this religion. even in the area of what lawyers call the lower scrutiny for non-citizens because it's not case that everyone abroad has a right to come here. we make those decisions. >> we can scrutinize certain people with good reason. >> exactly. and so what you have here is a plan bigoted, illegal, unconstitutional. you go through federal immigration law right now and only reference to religion is a reference to other foreign governments that discriminate on the basis of religion. we count that sometimes as a reason to take in a refugee because some other government is doing religious discrimination. not an idea anywhere in modern federal immigration law or constitutional precedent to be the ones doing the discriminati discrimination. >> donald trump pointed to fdr in world war ii saying we have taken measures in the past. we all remember the internment camps. this morning, let me play a little piece of sound again and remind the viewers what he said on "morning joe" this morning. >> look at franklin roosevelt, a respected president, highly respected. take a look at presidential proclamations back a long time ago. 2525, 2526 and 2527, what he was doing with germans, italians and japanese because, look, we are at war with radical islam. >> okay. so he's rattling off 2525, 2526, 2527. what is he referring? >> referring to proclamations that dealt with in part internment and upheld by the supreme court and considered one of the most shameful actions taken during war or peacetime in american history and other stuff of the aliens and sedition acts from the early, early 18th century and also completely discredited now. and again, i think there's a useful moment here to take a step back from just what he's proposing and think about how he's doing it and serious. kate, when donald trump has a business deal, he has his lawyers looking it up and down and very precise and specific and those contracts we know run dozens and dozens and hundreds of pages. he is not bringing that same seriousness or rigor to this. this was a couple paragraphs in part to rattle the republicans, get the media talking about it and then after he put it out, he picked up the fdr stuff partly from an interview on tv. this isn't the way he runs anything he cares about and his money on the line. and i think that offers a window into what donald trump thinks of this presidential campaign, what he thinks of the american citizenry and those of us in the media who pick up the phone. >> we are clear on what he thinks of us. >> it's got that level, right? useful frame because i first thought when i read a written statement. i seal see what he cites. no citation. willie geist here as we pointed out asked the question, how would you do this? because -- >> how do you implement it? >> he said basically i don't know, i don't care, i haven't thought about it. not direct quotes and what jumped out as a lawyer the complete lack of interest in how to do it. it's not a serious proposal. >> he said ultimately as we said before i would have some kind of -- i think customs agent which isn't the right person that checks you coming into the country. >> right. >> i would have them ask are you muslim which on its face as you said first is not constitutional. >> it's not -- >> discriminate. >> and also if that's donald trump's genius legal plan for keeping us safe, then he's not serious. because there are questions to ask that could be helpful. are you a member of isis? does donald trump think people would admit to that? does he think the way we patrol the borders and the waiver program and the visa program and thing that is people have spent a long time, people spend careers, brave men and women in the government thinking through these issues taking them seriously to protect us, donald trump isn't disrespecting just muslims here but people in the military, muslims-americans that work on the issues and everyone else with the lack of rigor and seriousness suggests he thinks this is just one more joke kind of thing to throw out there. not how it works and the inquiries that we currently use that are not discriminatory do more than just asking questions and that was the best explanation on "morning joe" trying to do here so this is truly a joke. not a funny joke and legally it is a jek. >> ari, thank you so much. next, heading to dearborn, michigan, home of the one of the largest populations of american-muslims. ideas are scary. they come into this world ugly and messy. ideas are frightening because they threaten what is known. they are the natural born enemy of the way things are. yes, ideas are scary, and messy and fragile. but under the proper care, they become something beautiful. his day of coaching begins with knee pain, when... this is brad. hey brad, wanna trade the all day relief of two aleve for six tylenol? 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this is the sort of thing that's being discussed here today, but you asked me the feelings of the community and i think that i can sum it up in one word and that word is hurt. >> all right. kevin tibbles in dearborn, michigan, thanks so much. our colleague rehama ellis is outside on the streets of new york getting reaction. cross-section of america here in new york. what are people saying? >> reporter: it really is a cross-section. right here in midtown manhattan, a lot of people passing by going to the radio city christmas spectacular show. i want you to see behind me that there are police here who are armed and folks say that they feel very comfortable having them here. the comments of 80% saying that donald trump went too far and 20% saying he's sounding a concern that they have. listen to some of the comments. >> donald trump probably has overstated his position but he's probably got an idea to probably hold back on immigration for a period of time until this thing settles out. >> entertainment to me. >> i think any rhetoric that's divisiveness in language that seeks to alienate a set of people from entering the country and might be safer and better off i think has gone too far, absolutely. >> reporter: a lot of what we have heard out here is people expressing concern about their safety. and they want someone to articulate what's going to happen to make them feel safer. as i mentioned, when you have a police presence out here, they say that makes them feel better. some are saying again, they're concerned about the heightened rhetoric from donald trump. and others saying it voices a concern that they have. kate? >> rehema ellis, here in mid town manhattan, thanks. donald trump's republican rivals are condemning his proposed plan, but will it hurt him among his base? steve kornacki back with fresh reaction from jeb bush on the trail after the break. and that was amazing. along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. it absolutely reduced my urge to smoke. some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility, agitation, depressed mood and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping chantix. some had seizures while taking chantix. if you have any of these, stop chantix and call your doctor right away. tell your doctor about any history of mental health problems, which could get worse or of seizures. don't take chantix if you've had a serious allergic or skin reaction to it. if you have these, stop chantix and call your doctor right away as some can be life-threatening. tell your doctor if you have heart or blood vessel problems, or develop new or worse symptoms. get medical help right away if you have symptoms of a heart attack or stroke. decrease alcohol use while taking chantix. use caution when driving or operating machinery. most common side effect is nausea. i can't believe i did it. i quit smoking. ask your doctor if chantix is right for you. ♪ (vo) some call it giving back. we call it share the love. during our share the love event, get a new subaru, and we'll donate $250 to those in need. bringing our total donations to over sixty-five million dollars. and bringing love where it's needed most. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. >> i've never seen people's opinions change so quickly on anybody. >> i need my "morning joe." jeb bush has weighed in on donald trump's proposal to stop muslims entering the u.s. here he is moments ago in manchester, new hampshire. >> you know, i don't think donald trump is serious and what he's saying is serious. and we're living in a serious time and we need real leadership. all of this helps his buddy, hillary clinton, for sure. in our fight against islamic terrorism, we have to maintain our values and what he proposed, that is not a serious proposition. >> msnbc's steve kornacki has more on political reaction to trump's plan. it's been coming all day long. >> well, yeah, what we have here are new numbers that show why trump's opponents like bush are frustrated, why some leaders in the republican party who have been condemning trump, why they're so nervous about it. this is a new poll that just came out this afternoon, a usa today/suffolk poll, donald trump continuing to lead the republican race for president. in second place notably there, ted cruz, the one republican opponent of trump's who has not condemned him over the remarks. cruz's strategy has been to be as supportive as possible of trump without condemning him and hoping to pick up his support if trump falls back. but if you're a nervous republican about donald trump being your candidate and representing your party, this isn't the most concerning number in this new poll. this is. look at this. 68%, that's the percent of trump voters in the new poll who say, if donald trump were to bolt the republican party and run as an independent next year, they'd go with him. these are voters who right now are saying they're going to vote for trump as a republican, but if he's not a republican, they'll vote for him as an independent. that's the doom's day scenario for the republican party, something they have to think about as trump comes out and makes statements like this. if they condemn him harshly, does he just leave the party and take those voters with him? a couple of numbers quickly, a head-to-head match-up, if trump were to win the republican nomination, this poll has him losing to hillary clinton by just four points, 48-44. maybe this a little bit more surprising. who would do a better job handling isis? look at this. it's a tie, trump, clinton each at 44%. so interesting new numbers there. and we should point out, this is one of the first polls we're seeing that was conducted basically all after san bernardino. so if we're starting to see a san bernardino effect in the polls, these are the numbers that start to register. >> steve, thanks so much. trump is basing his controversial plan off his concern for our country's national security. straight ahead, counter terror experts weigh in on the threat. plus, reaction from social media and from overseas. stay with us. ♪ ♪ (phone ringing) you can't deal with something by ignoring .t but that's how some presidential candidates seem to be dealing with social security. americans work hard and pay into it, so our next president needs a real plan to keep it strong. 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>> yes? >> almost every high ranking member of the republican party and candidates, they're all condemning your plan and your comments. do you see what's happening? >> they were condemning practically everything i say, and then they always come to my side. they were condemning the wall, illegal immigration, they were condemning all of the things that i've been espousing and now most of them are on my side. and the ones that aren't on my side are down to about zero in the polls and they're not going to go anywhere. >> despite the criticism he's getting for his comments, harsh words coming from democrats and republicans alike, donald trump is standing by his words. he said the ban on muslims coming into the u.s. is a matter of national security. >> we can't live like this. it's going to get worse and worse. you're going to have more world trade centers, it's going to get worse and worse, folks. we can be politically correct and we can be stupid, but it's going to get worse and worse. until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victim of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in jihad. >> joining me for more on this, nbc's ayman mow heldeen. he's saying there's a threat. give us a reality check on the threat of isis, the threat of terrorism. what do people tell you who you talk to in national security? >> it is a major threat. it's one evof the biggest secury threats the u.s. is facing. if you look at the terrorist groups out there, they are keen on striking against the united states, whether it's abroad or here in the united states. we've heard that from isis, and al qaeda. there's no doubt that other groups if they had the ability and capability, they would be willing to do that. the question is about, a, how do you remedy that, and b, who are the potential allies of these terrorist organizations that you're going after? donald trump is going after the 1.6 billion muslims in the world. he's casting a net, saying, we don't trust any of them. and because we don't know what the heck is going on, as he said, we gotta take this measure and everybody's got to stay outside the gates. >> and what do national security experts make of that kind of wide net? >> it's removed from reality. when you speak to a lot of law enforcement officials, counterterrorism officials, they are going to dismiss that. forget the arguments about human rights, values, legal arguments. when you're talking to experts about trying to make america safer, the one thing you do not want to do is take some of your valuable intelligence and security assets, linguistic assets, analytical assets, and alienate them and take away 6,000 americans who are fighting every day in the military and say, you no longer have a role, you no longer have a home in this country. >> what's been the response globally to donald trump's suggestions? >> it sums up in two categories. the mayor of london, others, who have distanced themselves from it, condemned it -- >> not kinda. pretty much condemned. >> they've been very critical is what i'm trying to say. officials in the middle east, a few now in different countries who are kind of saying this is a domestic issue in the united states. we're watching it very closely. we don't have an official response, but he's not an official candidate. if he gets to that level and makes these types of comments, there could be diplomatic consequences between united states and these countries. you heard from one of the most prominent sunni institutions out of cairo. they condemned that. that's rare for them to weigh in -- >> on a political race. >> but i thought the comments from, there was one young palestinian american, and we can play the sound bite and i thought that was very telling. we can talk about it on the back end of that. >> twhat's happening around the campaign is very worrying. the sense of racism across america is not only addressed at muslim americans, but all ethnic communities in the united states. he would do himself well by buying a $3 calculator to figure out how much he's going to lose by. you cannot alienate clusters of voting populations and still think you're relevant in the u.s. political system. >> the flip side of that back here in the united states is that you speak also to young muslim americans and they say this is a product of the past 15 years. you talk about some of the grea grievances the muslim american community have suffered from, law enforcement, and mass surveillance, infiltration of mosques and universities, and in the end, they say this culture, this climate is what is allowing donald trump now to be able to speak so openly. that the concern is not so much with donald trump's comments, but the atmosphere and the climate that we've allowed in the united states to exist for the past 15 years against muslim americans. >> interesting what you said about other foreign governments kind of waiting and saying, we're not going to weigh in right now. they must be looking at this thinking, if this man being abou -- becomes the president of the united states, they're going to have to deal with him. >> you have countries trading with the united states, billions of dollars, to turn around and be slapped in the face over their faith and be told they can't come to the united states. if the muslims can't come to the united states, certainly their dollars shouldn't be allowed to come into the united states as well. it will be interesting to see how he walks that back, what kind of diplomatic tight rope he finesses if he does secure the nomination and ultimately become president. there's a whole different reality when you become president and security advisers are telling you, you're not playing in the small leagues anymore. you're on the world stage, your words have consequences. >> ayman, thanks so much. trump's comments have resulted in a host of mixed reaction on social media. not just in the united states, but all over the globe. for more on that i'm joined by discovery desk editor cal perry. cal? >> as you were just mentioning with ayman, and he was referring to some of those tweets, we'll bring a few of those up on the screen. we'll start with david cameron, prime minister in the united kingdom. he called the comments, divisive, unhelpful and quite simply, wrong. the french government for their part, trump, like others, is stoking hatred. our only enemy is radical islam. the mayor of london who is getting quite snarky on twitter, he tweeted that he doesn't visit new york because he's afraid he'll run into donald trump. previously he tweeted, donald trump's comments are utter and complete non-sense. and from our desk, bombastic. the philadelphia daily news answering with their own bombastic cover, comparing donald trump to adolf hitler. this is stirring its way online. people are using this to talk about this issue, kate. >> cal perry, thanks so much. trump's republican rivals are condemning his rhetoric, but senator lindsey graham is going one step further, saying it's putting our soldiers and diplomats at risk and that trump is empowering the enemy. joining me now, laith alkhouri. laith, graham's not the only one. in the atlantic, it's said donald trump is now an actual threat to national security. he's providing jihadists ammunition for their campaign to demonize the u.s. do you agree with that, or is isis not paying any attention to the political dialogue? >> i agree, and i would add more. i think what the comments by mr. trump has played directly into the isis playbook. what he's saying is what isis has warned about before. isis issd a number of videos, telling refugees, don't go to the west, they are going to treat you pretty badly. what he said today, confirms to a lot of jihadists that this might actually be the case, if we have somebody who is running for the president of the strongest country in the world, the most free country in the world, but actually saying comments like that, so it's definitely playing into their playbook. >> "the new york times" explores the ideas of prophecies and isis ideology, and that they sort of want the western enemy. that's what they've built their philosophy on. >> yeah, that's a big part. isis believes in this apocalyptic vision that one day there will be voices of good and voices of evil, have this massive, epic battle in northern syria and dabbic and that they will win and go and conquer europe and move on to be on the atlantic. so having a group like this, with such apocalyptic visions capitalizing on trump's comments is going to be very vital forras ideology. >> when we think about isis recruitment and where isis fighters are coming from and of course we've all been watching what's happening in san bernardino, is the biggest threat people coming from overseas and coming into this country to attack, or is it home-grown radicalization here in they're in the united states? >> i think the threat is multi faceted, but i believe when it comes to radicalized individuals at home, those are the ones that are very difficult if not impossible to see coming. those plots are difficult to foil, very difficult to stop. and for that matter, very difficult to find a permanent solution for self-radicalization, especially if they are american citizens. this is not something you can resolve by banning muslims from coming to the united states or marginalizing muslims here. by marginalizing muslims, you're maximizing isis goals. >> laith, thank you. up next, republicans are coming out against donald trump's ban on muslims entering the u.s. but will it matter? we'll dig deeper into voter sentiment, including who might be receptive to the attitude at the heart of trump's proposal. it's a fact. kind of like playing the boss equals the boss wins. wow! ho, ho, hello... can you help santa with a new data plan? sure thing... uh right now you can get 15 gigs of data for the price of 10. that's five extra gigs for the same price. looks like someone just made it to the top of the nice list. in that case, i want a new bicycle, a bike helmet, a basketball, a stuffed animal that talks when you squeeze it. and... yes, yes. i got your letter. we're good. oh. okay i was just making sure. get 15 gigs for the price of 10 now at at&t. gas mileage, horse power, on ttorque ratios... three spreadsheets later, you finally bring home the one... then smash it into a tree. your insurance company is all too happy to raise your rates... maybe you should've done a little more research on them. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise your rates due to your first accident. see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance. so wi got a job!ews? 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"the new york times" is saying you chose to make this announcement because one poll showed you behind in iowa. >> give me a blereak. i don't call it "the new york times." i calling it the failing, money-losing "new york times." cnn came out with a poll that has me clopering everybody in iowa. there was a poll that came out where i was a little behind cruz but only in iowa. there was one outlier that came out yesterday which i disagree with their patrolling aolling a. cnn came out with a poll, and they're very correct, i was absolutely clobbering everybody. do you agree with that? >> you're ahead. >> no, not ahead. how much was i ahead? >> way ahead. mr. trump, you are way ahead in the polls. you could become the republican nominee and eventually president. how do you think your first meeting with the united arab emirates, they're flying missions over isis, they have women in their army, how do you think those meetings would go, after you proposed a policy like this? >> i think i'll get along great with them. i've always been a unifier. i've even gotten along with joe and mika for years. >> this is true. >> you know who is not a unifier, president obama, he's a disaster. the greatest divider i've ever seen. >> i don't disagree with you, but you don't see any -- >> i'm joined by nbc's katy tur, steve kornacki and kasie hunt who is in atlanta. kasie, i want to start with you. rick santorum reacting to donald trump. >> reporter: there's some indication, kate, that rick santorum might be one of the few presidential candidates who is willing to embrace at least part of this ban that donald trump is calling for. according to a report from radio iowa, at a rick santorum event in iowa today, he said the muslims coming from countries where there's known radicalization, like libya and syria, should not be allowed in the country, not offering the broad condemnation that we've seen from so many others in this field, kate. >> and we haven't seen donald trump since "morning joe," he was on the phone then. he's here in new york today, but he's tweeting again. >> yes, couple times. >> about independents and the potential of running as an independent candidate. >> he's tweeting a poll that came out today that said 68% of his supporters would vote for him if he left the gop and decided to run as an independent. this isn't a veiled threat. this is an open and very honest threat that he's going to leave the republican party if he feels like he's not being treated fairly. we saw reince come out and sort of criticize him today, chairman of the rnc. and this is donald trump pushing back and saying, watch what you do, if you push me too far, i will run as an independent. they've got to thread the line here, the rnc does. because if they push back too hard and force him to run as an independent. they're worried about that, they're worried about galvanizing his base against the establishment. he's painting himself as the anti-establishment candidate. they need to find an appropriate time to push back and not lose support. and not allow him to run as an independent. >> steve, is there a point of diminishing returns for donald trump? or can he just keep on attracting that core element of his base? >> well, it seems like controversies like this draw that base even closer to him, make them more loyal to him, especially when he starts taking incoming from members and leaders of his own party. he sort of positioned himself as this -- to his supporters at least to this truth-telling voice, these are supporters who don't trust a lot of major institutions, think the republican party establishment sells them out. so when he says things like this and comes under attack from republicans leaders, it strengthens the identity he's already built. you have to keep in mind, there's been a swift and broad condemnation across the political spectrum, democratic leaders, most republican leaders, a lot of people in the media. but one thing to keep in mind is the spirit of the proposal, the spirit of the comments that donald trump is making, i think, is shared, or may be shared by more people across this country than we realize. just a month ago, there was a poll taken that asked if islam itself is compatible with american values and the american way of life. in 56% of americans said "no" it isn't. keep that in mind when we think about reaction to this proposal. >> katy, you were at the event in south carolina where he got a standing ovation for making these comments about keeping muslims out of the united states. you talked to voters and people in the crowd, they support this? >> i think donald trump is empowering them to state their fears, to state that they don't trust muslims, they don't think they should be here, to be scared and to have him come out and say, it's okay to be scared, i get it, it's real, the threat is out there and i'm going to keep you safe. they like this. they like him being unequivocal, they like him being strong in the face of what they've seen as weakness from president obama. and they like it when he says he's going to not let muslims in, they like it when he says he's going to bomb the hell out of isis. >> harry reid had some strong words today. i want to play that sound and ask you about it. okay, we don't have that sound bite. oh, do we? okay, yes, we do. here we go. >> republican candidates condemn trump's remarks and adopt his racist policies as their own. we shouldn't try to fool ourselves. this sort of racism has been prevalent in republican politics for decades. trump's just saying out loud what other republicans merely suggest. political leaders must condemn these hateful unamerican stements with their words and their actions. this only empowers biggots. >> he said this sort of racism has been prevalent in republican politics for decades. is that fair? we're hearing so much condemnation today from republicans against trump. >> reporter: we are, frankly. i think harry reid called on republicans to not be silent. in fairness to the vast majority of republicans we've heard from today who are leaders in the establishment, they've come out and said, we're going to condemn this, this is not okay. reid sometimes is prone to hyperbole. sometimes that's the case according to those who work with them. i think he's seizing on the opportunity. but i don't think what we've seen from the candidates bears that out. one person we saw condemn trump today was mitt romney. i bring him up because he's somebody who's had to deal with this in the republican party over the course of quite a long period of time. he accepted an endorsement from trump during the 2012 campaign. his campaign aired robocalls that trump recorded in michigan in 2012. they were in part, trying to make sure that that section of the party, that conservative base that really didn't like romney, but that is now obviously coming out and being unified for donald trump, didn't kind of get too far afield. they were essentially keeping him in the fold, potentially giving him a role at the convention. but romney stepped out and taken a little bit of a different role in the party since losing that nomination. somebody who's stepped out as being the person who calls for calm in these situations and you saw this tweet from him today on this. you saw him tweet earlier this year about the confederate flag issue, one ever the most re-tweeted tweets of the year, according to twitter's data. so i think there are plenty of examples of republicans who are standing up to trump. the fact that the only person we can find so far who's offering an embrace of this as a policy in any part seems to be rick santorum. kate? 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>> we can tell you, the fbi is very interested in this deposit. $28,500 in their account. and when you take into account that farook himself only made about $53,000 with the county, that's a huge sum of money. investigators are looking at where it came from, was it transferred by individuals hoping to fund them, or was it a loan they took out in the weeks prior. that's what the fbi is looking into. they want answers on that, kate. >> are authorities making any progress examining the electronic communication? >> we have already learned that the couple was in communication with people with extremist views in the l.a. area. police have confirmed that through electronic communications. the key they're still hoping to unlock are the two crushed cell phones that were found near the house. some of the information on that cell phones was encrypted. they are still working to see, though, if anything can come of those damaged cell phones. >> and one last question, the garage. there's been all these reports that perhaps there were other people who entered and left that garage. any more on that today? >> we know people have been coming in and out of the garage, according to neighbors at that house, where that apparent bomb-making factory was. we know they've interviewed the childhood friend of farook who bought the two assault rifles in the attack. they say he's not a suspect. but they want to know the timeline of events, of how he bought the weapons and transferred them to farook and if he can shed light on when farook became radicalized. he's among the 400-plus people who have been interviewed so far. but they're still operating under the guise that these were lone wolf attackers. >> thanks so much. after the break, how americans really feel about trump's proposed ban on muslims entering the u.s. ♪ the way i see it, you have two choices; the easy way or the hard way. you could choose a card that limits where you earn bonus cash back. or, you could make things easier on yourself. that's right, the quicksilver card from capital one. with quicksilver you earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere. so, let's try this again. what's in your wallet? 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and perhaps that this is incredibly counterproductive? >> no, i think it's something that has to be done. i think it's a temporary move. i'm not looking at this long-term. i'm looking at it temporary. look at what happened in paris, the horrible carnage, and frankly, if you look at paris and i hate to do this, because the commerce department of paris, the chapel chamber of commerce is going to go crazy. paris is no longer paris. there are sections there where the people are radicalized. the police refuse to go in there. we have places in london that are so radicalized that the police are afraid for their own lives. we have to be very smart and very vigilant. we have to find out who gave this guy $28,000, how many other $28,000 checks were made? are there thousands all over the country? when you say you're afraid, i think you should be afraid. you should be afraid of the other side, not my side. i want to get our hands around a very difficult situation. >> my colleague is outside on the streets of new york, getting reaction to donald trump's proposal to ban muslims from entering the country. what have people been saying? >> well, it's very interesting, kate. because here in mid town, manhattan, we have people from all across the country, who have come here for holiday events, i have to tell you, they feel confident and feel better that they see there's law enforcement here, that is heavily armed and we didn't have to explain anything to them about donald trump's latest statement. everybody seems to have heard about it. the majority of people we spoke to said they think he's gone too far. but there was a fraction of people who say that he's expressing a concern that they have. listen to some of what they say. >> our country needs something to change right now. i don't necessarily think that's the right direction, though. >> trump's ideas are not okay. >> why not? >> we're not there. >> i think he's just spreading racism, to judge someone and label all muslims or all people that follow islam as terrorists and to in the let them in the country, it's ridiculous. >> i would say from what we've heard from people, about 80% of the folks that we've talked to said they do not agree with donald trump's statement, but 20% said, again, that something that he is saying resonates with them. there's a fear factor and it concerns them. they think that he is addressing that fear, but so many more people are saying, this goes too far, his latest statements. kate? >> thanks so much. we're also getting in new interviews from folks in patterson, new jersey, just across the river from new york city, home to the second largest arab american community in the united states after dearborn, michigan. and the town that was at the center of donald trump's claims that people were cheering on 9/11, take a listen to what some of them said today. >> i don't know what the effect is going to be. but to just create that whole hostility to begin with, against muslims or against any different nation or different beliefs, it's just wrong. >> i think the government is supposed to fight the racism, but this guy, he's like one from the racism point, like kk or something, he think you got money, he's got everything. >> we don't need him to know or love islam. what i need him to know is just to know the constitutional law, the basic constitutional law. that's it. >> joining me now, host of the last word here on msnbc, lawrence o'donnell is with us. lawrence, i'm curious, your perspective coming in planning for your show later tonight. >> i just heard the best line of the day, the last one to speak who said, i don't care what he thinks about islam. i need him to understand constitutional law. that guy understands the constitution far better than donald trump does. donald trump, i want to put the country and the world at rest. donald trump does not have a plan. he does not have a plan. what he announced was something that would have to be legislated by congress. and paul ryan stepped up to today, became the speaker of the house weeks ago. paul ryan today became the official leader of the republican party, and he stepped out there today and said, this is outrageous. paul ryan decides what legislation passes -- >> gets considered, right. >> he has said, this is outrageous, it would never be brought to a vote in the house of representatives, mitch mcconnell has said the same thing about the senate. there's no plan, nothing's going to happen. the most imbecilic any party has ever seen running for president in america, said something imbecilic. that's all that's happened. >> let me play some rush limbaugh. here's a piece of what he said on his radio show. >> why is trump still in the race? this is not the first outrageous thing he said, by far. it's not even the most outrageous thing he's said, depending on who you ask. why hasn't anybody been able to humiliate him? why hasn't anybody been able to destroy him? and by anybody, i mean the media, because that's who both parties rely on to do this. why can't the media touch the guy? he's given them all kinds of ammo. >> i'm going to guess there aren't a lot of days, lawrence, when you and rush limbaugh are on the same page? >> he's not on the same page. listen, i'm a long-time rush listener. rush got to be the richest person in the history of political media anywhere in the world by walking a very careful tight rope where he takes dictation from his audience. they call in, they tell him what they think. he knows, in order to keep this business going, he's got to say what they think. so rush has been very pro-trump up to now. rush will abandon trump when his audience abandons trump. so he leaves little breadcrumb seeds. he hated romney as a candidate until there was no other choice but romney, then he tiptoed his way back to romney. >> so you don't read that as himself distancing himself from trump yet? >> he's on the tight rope. rush will stay with trump as long as trump is supported by his audience. and trump is supported by the rush limbaugh audience. the jet fuel of the trump campaign is hatred. rush peddles in hatred constantly, he always has, it's the energy of his show. rush will be the first one to abandon the sinking ship. i believe the trump ship has begun its sinking today. i know everyone's reluctant to say that, because they've seen him, and i think this is a mistake in reading, to say that trump has survived his previous controversies. he hasn't. what a candidate has to do when he's at 25% in the polls is go up. you don't have to go up much from where hillary clinton is in the polls. she's over 50 in the polls. everything over that you don't need. trump is not in a winning position in the polls, he never has been. >> oh, he would dispute that. heavily. >> understand the mathematics of the country we live in. he's at 25% of the republican vote. that's 12% of the vote. now his big totally empty threat today, run as an independent, which he will not do for a variety of reasons, he's bragging that he gets 60% of his voters to vote for him if he runs as an independent. he's bragging. >> he's tweeting. >> but the polls show he might get 6% of the vote if he runs as an independent. he knows that. he will never run as an independent. >> you don't think so? >> absolutely. and -- >> so what is all of this then? >> this, you know, rachel had a great theory last night that she advanced, and i've had it before and rachel and i are going to talk about it on my show tonight, which is, trump is trying to lose. when you look at the things that he's done, if you could think, how can i screw up trump's campaign today, you would whisper in his ear, go out there and say, you want to ban all muslims from coming into the country. that ought to do it. ridicule john mccain for being a prisoner of war, that ought to do it. but you have to pay attention to the fact that his numbers have not gone up. his share of the vote has not gone up during this whole time that he's been the front-runner. hillary clinton's numbers have gone up. that's the way a front-runner works. when they're improving. >> why would he be trying to lose? >> because the whole thing from the start, people say he's a brave candidate. he's a brave candidate only if he's trying to win, because he says things that risk winning. what does hillary clinton say that would risk winning? nothing. your job as a candidate is to never speak a sentence that risks the possibility that you might win, that increases the chances you lose. trump is happy to say things that increase the possibility of his losing because, and this would be part of the rachel theory that we explore tonight, he never went into this thing to win. he was running to maintain fame, that's what i thought he was doing at the beginning. the polls indicated he was doing a very good job of maintaining fame, but what i've never seen in the polls, not for one day, the slightest hint that there was anything in these polls indicating donald trump could actually win. and i think we have a choice. donald trump is a moron, which is an available choice to all of us based on everything he says every day, or donald trump is smart enough about numbers that when he looks at the polls, he looks at it the way i do and says, well, that's nice, but i can never win. and therefore he doesn't fear losing because he knows he's going to. and the job of maintaining fame will have worked, which is what this campaign is about. he has spent less than anyone else campaigning for president because he doesn't expect to be president. he's not trying to win. >> lawrence o'donnell, always interesting to get your take. >> more of that theory will be explored tonight. >> you're on rachel's show? 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>> it's a real concern they have. when jeh johnson did a press conference yesterday, he was standing next to an imam who heads the second largest mosque in america, it's in suburban virginia. i've gone there, spoken to them, long before paris, long before what happened in san bernardino, california. they talked about how important it was to keep these relationships between muslims and others open and people are often afraid of what they don't know, right? so getting them to know what islam is really about. but i think you were in paris with me, and you know that a lot of people there who are expert on this, said the difference between the united states and paris is the assimilation of muslims. they feel like they're part of the community. if this kind of rhetoric starts to make them feel like they're not part of the community, if it fuels a hate, essentially, then the concern rises that you'll have a situation that you have in some places in europe. >> and i assume that's why we heard from the president. >> it is. >> in his presidential address on sunday night, such a clear message to the muslim community. he was really speaking at points to that community. >> he absolutely spoke to that community. >> it's a relationship they've tried to develop. they have actually gone into some communities. they have pilot projects where they are working in places like los angeles and minneapolis and looking at ways to engage young people in those communities, but particularly, to have organizations that work with those young people, whether it's a community center, whether it's a mosque, to work with them and identify people who may be susceptible, who may feel somehow out of the mainstream, and to bring them back into the mainstream. they've had some good luck with really working closely with some mosques, but it's a really small program now, and i think one of the things they're looking at very seriously, how do we expand that? 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"mtp daily" starts right now. ♪ >> if it's tuesday, unhinged, offensive, outrageous. that's what donald trump's republican opponents are calling his proposal, to block all muslims from entering the united states. but will this be any different than the other trump fire storms that just made him stronger? this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. ♪ good day. donald trump versus the republican party, or has he hijacked the republican party? nationally polls show trump as the unquestionable front-runner. he's not backing away from his plan to ban muslims from entering this country. >> i'm using common sense. i spoke in front of thousands of people last night. there were thousands of people, your reporters are reporting it. -- thousands of people outside of yorktown, this tremendous ship that couldn't hold all the

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