Is happening is cases with evidence go to court and when there is not evidence they don t go to court. it s not complicated, alex. that is what you are seeing here and it doesn t have anything to do with whether you are a democrat or republican. it seems to me they painted themselves into a corner on this one. they don t have anywhere to go because donald trump is been convicted of 34 felony counts so the only thing they can do is echo what donald trump is saying when in reality, you served in the u.s. congress, you ve served in the senate. you know it s real. this is a jury of trumps fears that convicted him on these felony counts. what is most damaging about it is what they are attacking. first, they go after free and fair elections and say no there is not fair, even though there is no evidence even than
Embrace donald trump. by the way, i would add that might want to ask harold does, have ever met alex s oars? harold: i have a seaport why is it that when his finger bids are everywhere, he s been pushing the phrase convicted felon, how mentally embarrassing is he that you have never seen him on tv? he s behind everything awful. is a sense of the something google wrong with him? harold: nothing that i know of. judge jeanine: that you have a conversation with him? greg: what are you hiding? [ laughter ] he is the one that has been pushing the convicted felon thing. harold: if it was reversed and joe biden been convicted of 34 counts, would donald trump not be saying the same thing? greg: jesse: he s not smart enough to be convicted, his own justice department said that. harold: but if it were revised in donald trump to be calling yes, he wouldn t let me answer for you to five he
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Just that they actually have been predisposed to think america is unaekly averse to this kind of, you know, authoritarian politics. and seeing it now kind of tear through american politics is frightening and disorienting for a lot of europeans. well, mckay, it s so deeply researched and so deeply reported, everyone should check it out. mckay coppens with the atlantic, thank you so much for your time and essential reporting. thanks, alex. still ahead tonight what one supreme court justice has to say about the court s rightward shift and the secret conservative movement that got us all here, that s next. t thatt us all here, that s next number smart bed? i need help with her snoring. sleep number does that. thank you now, save 40% on the sleep number special edition smart bed.
And when there s not evidence they don t. it s not complicated, alex. that s what you re seeing here. and it doesn t matter if you have anything to do with democrat or republican, the son of a president or a former president. they don t have anywhere to go because donald trump has been convicted of 34 counts, so the only thing they can do is echo what donald trump is saying that none of its real. when in reality is they know it s real. this iskn a jury of trump s pee that convicted donald trump. this wasn t joe biden pup masteringde this. first they good go after freo and fair elections and say they re not fair even though there s no evidence, even thougc none of the courts found any evidence, it was all rigged. if you don t win, it s rigged. so they re attacking people s faith in elections. now what they re doing for a huge number of americans is the
Last night you showed there from the fund-raiser on camera at a rally because obviously it s a very different thing when you re saying that, you know, at a donor event, alex, than on camera. yeah. claire, what is your expectation on that front? and there s a debate in a couple weeks and, and are we going to hear any of this? everyone knows he s a convicted felon. it s not like anybody in the america doesn t know donald trump was convicted. what he does need to do is stand up for those jurors. he needs to stand up for the institution. he needs to stand up frp the institutions of america that have made our country so wonderful, and that s what trump is campaigning against. he s actually campaigning against the essence of our system. and that s what he needs to convey. he needs to go after trump in a way that really strong just like
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Necessarily mean it was sufficient to alter how you might vote. ijust thought, you know, just to throw that into the mix around it. but yeah, i think you re right, alex, in the round, did anyone. ..? it s always hard, this sort of, who won, isn t it? what is victory? but i think where given where rishi sunak was, as we reflected last night, where rishi sunak was psychologically and with his own party, he came out looking like he had plenty of fight in him. and i think that matters, even if only for morale on his side and nothing else. i think maybe the more relevant question in the debates to come and of course, last night s is maybe not who won in the voter comments, but did anyone really lose? ie, is this sort ofjeopardy and danger of a huge mistake greater than maybe a sort of narrow edge of victory in this campaign? because that actually might end up going on to have much more consequence.
Politician a liar, 0k, that might not seem that big a deal in normal speech, but it kind of political speech it s a big deal. really, really quickly, you ve also just got to wonder as a pull back, as we talk about this, what that claim and counter claim and accusations and figures and whatever thrown around just does to people watching all of this and looking on and thinking, you know, blimey, we re two weeks into an election campaign, i ve got to make a decision about the prime minister of the united kingdom, who that s going to be, and this claim and counter claim is where we re at. alex, thank you very much. pleasure, as always. and chris, thanks to you, too. thank you. newscast from the bbc.
Time now to digest the day s election campaigning in newscast with adam fleming and the team. now, obviously, we will do the political fallout from tuesday night s first televised leaders debate amongst the people who could be prime minister because there was a scottish one on monday. but before we do that, give me the planes, trains and automobiles behind the scenes, because you were all in salford. because i was here in my living room. you, were missed? yeah, thanks. it was this kind of, like, slow trickle of, like, people rocking up in different parts of sovereign at different times, all having got various trains to get there. and i think i bumped into chris in salford in the reception of a hotel. oh yeah. very late at night. yes. and there was a sort of boom from alex.