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that. you mean the folks at cpac. not republicans in general. >> well, a lot of republicans in general do believe that. because they live in this echo chamber. for 40 years they've been doing the same thing and it has worked out well for them. and they look, okay, we've been told by our pollsters about these demographic changes. all we need is a different messenger. >> if christie is being ostracized, won't that just help burnish his brand as an outsider and in turn perhaps help him with these independent-minded right-leaning voters? >> you are absolutely right in saying that the best thing in christie's short term interest is that the press pick up on the fact the conservatives didn't want him there. he is about, unless things change, to get reelected next year in a democratically leaning state. it certainly helps him in the short term. in the long term, what kneads to
i think it will be interesting to see when we get a readout after the meeting if members are willing to talk, would some of the newer more outspoken members, i'm thinking of the ted cruzes and the mike lees, will they try to take floor and challenge the president? that would be very true to their style thus far. we would expect the more senior members to talk to the president. based on what we've heard with how he interacted at the dinner from last week, and with the senate democrats, that there would likely be quite a give and take. where the president is both listening and and big issues in front of them, of course, immigration is one where people think they could have some possible of moving forward. we saw news on guns today. that probably won't be as much of a topic in a republican meeting and certainly budget. what to do about long term deficits. craig? >> kelly o'donnell from capitol hill to start us off on this thursday. thank you. not far from capitol hill, the three-day conservative political action conference. also known as cpac got underway
when more americans prefer freebies to freedom, these fertile grounds will become tyranny. i speak from experience when i say there is nothing on this green earth that a liberal progressive fears more than a black american who wants a better life and a smaller government. >> and they're eating it up. they're eating it up. you can hear them in the background. that's red meat for the base there. it fires up the base. but how does that help the republican party right now? >> it gets perceived in middle america like the bar scene in star wars. that's what i said at the outset. you have to police the ranks. i'm telling you, this is not the way cpac was in the '80s when i had hair and ronald reagan was the headliner. >> we have to find some video of it. thank you so much to all three of you. archbishop timothy dolan
character of the lawmakers. getting a call from the president is a big deal. having dinner with the president is a big deal. even if you hate the guy. he is still the president of the united states. and this does mean something to these folks. i think you can sense it in the way the senate republicans, house, i don't know about those guys. the senate republicans, i think, are moved a little bit by this access to the white house. >> will it change their decisions? >> i think it possibly could. don't underestimate the ability of the power of the president to kind of get into the heads of these guys. >> michael, so many of us continue to be taken aback by your attendance at cpac. i didn't want to pivot back to that before we get out of here. the tea party favorite allen west, one of the first speakers on the bill there. i want to play a snippet of what he said. take a listen. >> real peace comes from the marine corps. not the peace corps.
happen for the folks who go to that conference is something new to them. to have a sense of practicality. this is a group of individuals who would rather win the battle and lose the war. this is the origin of that mentality that says give us christine o'donnell as a candidate in delaware even if she is going to lose a general election. we would rather lose with principle. that doesn't get you anywhere. >> i want to pose the question the "washington post" posed today. it asks does cpac even matter anymore. this is an excerpt from the article. they write, this year's cpac will once again capture the mood of conservatism in the united states. bewildered, disfungal and struggling to find its moorings after two consecutive gop presidential losses. is it still relevant? >> it is in that it is a guide post to where the republican party thinking is today. but it also shows how difficult it will be to get anything done. also, you saw in today's
immigration in the least. that's one of the troubles that the republican party faces. its militant wing doesn't want to reach out and make the tent bigger, which seems to doom the republican party as a national party. and that's why some republicans look at cpac and say, this is just crazy. this is exactly the opposite of what we need. >> one of the highlights every year at cpac is the presidential straw poll. that will happen despite that we are several years away from a presidential race. at this point any idea who a front-runner for the cpac might be? >> i would guess rand paul. i think this is rand paul's convention. cpac has a lot of college kids wandering around it in various stages of sobriety. and like all straw polls, it is fixed in the sense that
conservative action conference is underway just outside d.c. at cpac, conservative stars like rand paul, marco rubio and sarah palin are the headliners of the three-day event. florida former congressman allen west stirred up the republican base. >> this conference, this audience, these values, all jealously guard conservative identity from liberal wolves in sheep's clothing. >> noticeably an send from the event, governors chris christie and bob mcdonnell. political columnist roger simon writes about the snub saying, quote, gop wants crazy after all these years. roger joins me now. good to see you. let's take a look at the list of the star speakers. mitt romney, wayne lapierre, donald trump. when you look at the list, what strikes you about those names? >> what strikes me about those names is that for the most part, they're on the extremes of
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american politics. cpac has been described as the militant wing of the republican party. and that's true. the question is, is this what the republican party really needs? is this the time for more militant wing? is this what american citizens are asking for? or are they asking for just the opposite? >> marco rubio got one of the prime spots today. he talked a lot about small government. he talk about conservative principles. he even made a number of water jokes. one thing he did not talk about though is immigration. even though it's been one of the biggest issues he's working on right now. what can we make of that omission? >> we can make of that omission, that he is going to trim his sales, depending on what group he speaks to. he didn't have the courage to talk about immigration to a group that is not pro