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>> to talk about trump. it's definitely the right strategy. for example, with chris christie, he is known as the aggressive going to bash on trump. he's very validated in that. he took the opportunity to be mindful. he was a ceo. he had made tough decisions. he got stuff done with democrats and the legislature. it's about saying no matter what hand you deal, me i can win. it isn't just give me republicans and then mail gets it done. he took that opportunity. macon governor desantis, they're known as the anti woke eyes. they need to broaden their mansion a little bit to talk about fiscal discipline and draining the swamp and limited government and returning power to the states. >> you talked about how the issue of abortion is a bit of a tricky one for the republican party. i do not want to put words in your mouth. the candidates did seem to have a little bit of trouble with that this week in the debate. obviously, mike pence has a
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i cannot be reclaimed, the anti chris christie's, credit he tried. we went out, there he got booed more than he got here forcing it. but he said something interesting he said ignore the criminality for a moment because most republicans are ignoring the potential criminality. he said, just think about the contact. we shouldn't even be approving of this conduct. and that is also something he got booed for. he is trying to bring this back to, the republicans, we don't want association with the guy with us the things we know he does. forget about the, charles forget about what is going to be proved in court. we know who donald trump. this because, as my angela tells us, he told us who he was. >> yes, absolutely. but christie is not doing well in the polls because of that. that is not what they want to hear. i also thought that on the debate, when it was very interesting and said that they talked about the discussion of whether mike pence did the right thing on january six. and there was zero discussion of trump having put him in that
vivek ramaswamy lines. and no one had a pre-canned ron desantis line. nobody -- >> to jen psaki's smart point, they all planned to attack vivek, not desantis. and i felt that -- she mentioned pence and nikki, but even christie, who -- he sort of high water mark is a republican primary candidate in 2016 was -- candidacy, even he targeted ramaswamy and not desantis. >> -- >> oh, go ahead. >> -- running for president. -- potential running mate with the person who was not there who is still the former president on the way. so, the anti trump people, if you want to say that is christie and asa hutchinson, okay, bring them inside. and pence he's the one person with experience on the job who cannot be the running mate again, for all the reasons we know. so, he is actually also out. and so i do think that someone like senator scott and desantis are on this relatively short
what about my community? >> absolutely. the song they reference here at the beginning this -- i said before this debate started -- i said, i want to win the first reference to richmond north of richmond is going to take place -- to the point john is making, a lot of americans feel that way. that is why the song was so wildly popular. and i think that is what was reflected in the ramaswamy positions in a lot of. this and -- in the des moines suburbs, which but is not going to win -- overall. >> in all this, donald trump is the clear front runner. it did seem like she was playing to college educated voters, women in the suburbs. there was a toning down of some of the anti woke. some of the more rhetoric. let somebody else fill that lane. i think she was signaling to frankly donors who might be souring on desantis or somebody else that i can be the normal steadfast republican. litigating the case for ukraine. it might not be the majority of the base within the party who
nobody -- >> to jen psaki's smart point, they all planned to attack vivek, not desantis. and i felt that -- she mentioned pence and nikki, but even christie, who -- his sort of high water mark is a republican primary candidate in 2016 was ending rubio's candidacy, even he targeted ramaswamy not desantis. >> i was gonna say, they're not all running for president. we know some are running to be a potential running mate with the person who was not there who is still the former president on the way. so, the anti trump people, if you want to say that is christie and asa hutchinson, okay, put them aside. and pence is the one person with experience on the job who cannot be the running mate again, for all the reasons we know. so, he is actually also out. and so i do think that someone like senator scott and desantis are on this relatively short list when we actually think about it, of relative people who could position and and this thing in a decent place and -- >> --
reference to richmond it will take place. i didn't realize that fox had raised. it to the point that john is making, a lot of americans feel that way. that is why the song was so wildly popular, and i think that is what was reflected in the ramaswamy positions in a lot of this, and why nikki haley may do well in the des moines suburbs, but she will not win iowa overall. >> in all of this, donald trump is a clear and faraway front runner, but if we are analyzing tonight, i think nikki haley saw a pivot in strategy. it did seem like she was playing to college educated women, voters, women in the suburbs, there was a toning down of some of the anti woke, some of the more, that kind of rhetoric, you know? as she let someone fill that lane and i think she was signaling to frankly donors who maybe souring on a desantis or someone else. i can be the republican. she is litigating the case for ukraine and it may not be the majority of the base within the republican party who will reject anyone they think is disqualifying if they do not support ukraine. so, it is this weird thing that we are facing. i thought >> i thought pence
accusative and backing of the praise. why? >> bradley cooper landed in hot water because of a prosthetic nose and anti-. sheic similar to black face but the family supported bradley cooper immediately after saying perfectly fine with the nose and said their father had a very nice, big nose and in the joint statement and they said that cooper involved them in every part of the process along the way and sort of unequivocally stand by cooper. he has the family's blessing to make the movie and the way he decided to make it. >> great to have you, chris. >> come back. do this often. >> yes. >> all right. back to politics. that was fun, though. enjoyed that. informative. tim scott is a viable option for republicans soured on to the former president. a big question everybody's asking. we'll hear from some republicans having a chang
too, by himself, he is sitting there on the pedestal by himself. i think here we are talking about a massive conspiracy, a group of individuals coming together, and i think we go charges support that narrative. so what she wants us to take from this indictment is that all of these people coordinated, conspired, worked together to try to overturn this election. >> scott jennings, one of the things that we heard from trump, even before it was concerned that he was indeed indicted, which we expected, is that this was political interference in the election. she was asked about that and said that this is completely nonpartisan when it comes to the law. >> that is not how trump and his supporters are going to portray her. they are going to portray her as a partisan democrat who is doing this for political reasons in a county that overwhelmingly voted for joe biden and in a county where she is elected by those people. on the indictment, i have to say, whether you are pro trump or anti trump on, this it is a startling thing to read. that the president of the
again, i'm only on page 16 of anti. eight but they also talk about soliciting the justice department, we know the former president tried to use his own justice department, top officials there, to help him overturn the election. they also talk about soliciting the vice president. we know and have extensively reported the pressure campaign that former vice president mike pence was facing. the pressure that he faced not only from former president trump, but from other people, encouraging him to overturn the election and not to certify the results in president biden's favor. they also talk about breaching voting systems, and also filing false statements. so at a very high level, these are the categories that they believe these defendants allegedly engaged in a conspiracy. and that only takes you about a fifth of the way through the indictment. and then you get into the real nitty-gritty. but the average person who reads that should be able to at least understand, at a high-level, a conspiracy that fani willis is alleging here? >> paula, i will let you go