bars in clark county. you have potential victory is lying in those sales at least for now. i want to i guess is it makes a huge difference night, i step toward voters like elliot carver hall having their voices heard, it felt a little bit of empowerment, a little slow, a little tiny bit sara marie joins us now from las vegas. so this is the first time he s running boost had been used. how did the process go? it went pretty smoothly, although there were voters who showed up to vote and found out they were actually registered in a different county or in some cases, in a different state, which is negating the education gap that still exist for those who are behind bars. there were dozens of folks who wanted to vote from the jail today and we expect that that s going to number is going to be even longer when we get to the general election in november. this was sort of a dry run for the big event coming up, anderson be interesting to do polling and see if they re running for it? sir, maria, thanks so much in news continues. the source of kaitlan collins starts now i m kaitlin collins. welcome to the source tonight. president biden wasn t scheduled to be back home in wilmington or what happened? inside the delaware courtroom earlier, abruptly changed his plants is only surviving son, hunter biden was convicted on all three felony gun charges just that he was facing today. hours later, hunter biden was standing on the tarmac, as you can see here, to greet his father when marine one landed in delaware it was striking to see the two of them embrace for the first time since that guilty verdict came down. in his only comment so far on the matter, president biden said, in part in his statement i am the president, but i am also a dad because he also praised his son for overcoming a battle with drug addiction. but this conviction also comes in the middle of a presidential election. there was also a message tonight and biden statement regarding his role as president he said that he will accept the outcome of this case, that he does accepted and they also respect the judicial process, seeming to reiterate a promise that he made last week that he won t part in. hunter biden but as biden balances both being an english parent and president in-between the verdict and that we re union that you just saw there on the tarmac. he also gave a speech on gun safety in washington it s time once again, do what i did when i was a senator, ban assault weapons before that speech, that was preplanned. i should note before the verdict came down this morning, it was in the delaware courtroom where the jury s decision on hunter biden was unanimous, guilty but notably three jurors told cnn after that they question whether or not these charges should have been brought at all a fourth, that was known to only us as juror number ten, said no politics were at play when they were deliberating their decision pressure, inviting never really even came in to play for me. you kinda put that out of your mind. politics was not even spoken about the first family was not even spoken about. it was all it was all about hunter and of course, as we know it, as far from over for hunter biden, he is facing sentencing on the gun conviction that is going to come at the height of the general presidential election and another potentially even more serious trial on tax charges. this fall. few people know more about the personal toll that this is taken on president biden than my source tonight. evan owls knows is one of the country s foremost biden biographers and a cnn contributor. he is the author of joe biden, their life, the run and what matters now and having joins me now, i mean, there s basically no precedent for what we are seeing right now. a president s a sitting president s immediate family member has never been convicted on any kind of crime while they were in office. and i just wonder what you make of it, what stood out to you have how president biden reacted today? yeah, it is something extraordinary to see. i mean, he is balancing these two distinct roles as father and as president and on some level, this combination of private life and public life has been at the center of his relationship with hunter since hunter was a baby after all you remember, of course, his mother was killed in that car accident when he was a toddler, joe biden at that point was between being elected and being sworn into the senate his hunters entire life has been in some ways straddling the struggles, the privileges, the choices, the risks that come with that. and i think of this tonight is a moment in some ways, it s part of this long arc, this really sort of epic american political story. yeah. i mean, the family seemed surprised when this came down today. it did it happened relatively quickly. hunter biden himself is not even at the courthouse today and you saw them them rushing back in there and including the first lady, jill biden. but after we didn t see any of this anguish or they re real response in front of the cameras. at least we saw the embracing the tarmac what do you think it s like behind closed doors and wilmington tonight? yeah. they ve got abundant experience of tragedy on some level, and tragedy is not to be exculpatory here when nobody and least of all, joe biden is saying that hunter biden didn t make choices that lead to this result. but they have also learned over the years about how you get through this. they turn inward. they have this. it s not a coincidence that they re going to wilmington for this. that s sort of the ancestral homeland and they go there and they meet as a family. they have these traditions of these family meetings and the line that you often hear in politics from biden is that through pain you have to find purpose. it can sound like it s a line, except that for him, it is at the core of how he gets through this. and i can tell you that is no question what he is telling the other members of his family that if we re going to get through this part of our purpose is to demonstrate that nobody is above the law that a president does not interfere in the activity because of the court that a jury can still find its way to a result even in a time of intense partisanship, you ve spent a lot of time with biden. i and his family as you are writing your book, did you ever think that you d see a day like today? i ll be frank. no, i think when i first started interviewing joe biden back in 2014, a decade ago, beau biden was alive. it was actually kind of a hopeful moment in the course of his treatment. they thought that they might have had some good news. and in so many ways, this story, the one we are inhabiting today is the result of beau biden s death in 2015. it was like a bomb that went off in that family and i have to say one of the things we learned from this trial and it really was a revelation even to people who know the family well was the depth to which the impact of addiction rippled all the way through hallie biden, as we heard, of course, also ended up involved with crack cocaine. it was just a a period of his life and i think as as political observers, we study president s not only because it helps us understand the choices they in make the pressures that they re under. but it s also a reflection of ourselves, of our country and our time and what this family was going through between 2015 and 2021 and all toya all the way up to today is in itself a very american story as someone who studies biden. i mean, what is it? what did you take away from? they already had this pre-planned event on gun safety at the white house, which i think a lot of people were thinking to themselves. i mean, the timing here is unbelievable, but he came out, he didn t give the full speech. she actually was going to talk about a new gun restrictions that the doj has enacted what that has resulted in. he did not he spoke about it more broadly. his speech that had been previously planned, but he didn t seem to give anything away. i don t want i saw that speech. yeah, not a word. i think there s a way that he has drawn this bright line between what s happening with the family and what s happening in politics. and it can almost look, i think a little awkward because people are expecting him to talk about this thing in his life. but he is so concerned that it will be turned into a talking point by his opponent that i think he s almost going out of his way not to talk about well, i wonder how, how does a way on him when he hears three jurors who told cnn obviously they voted. this was unanimous. they voted to convict, but they were asking themselves if this would have been brought it all had he not been a hunter biden. that s been a fact for awhile. i mean, joe biden is said to have told people around him that he knows that had he not continued on in politics, that his son might not be facing the charges that must really weigh on it. i think to tap that i think it s a very heavy burden and look the joe biden s decision to be in public life as long as he has has added to the pressure on hunter biden, joe biden has always known for a long time that the gene of addiction, which is in this family is in hunter biden his life and by staying in politics, by being is exposed as they are in some ways, it has put pressures on hunter biden, and i do think that weighs on the president. and obviously officers coming in the middle of the election year, we will talk in a second about how republicans are handling this. but how does biden handle this at the debate? i don t think anyone thinks it s gonna have a huge impact on the election, but we ll see, but how does he handle it for the debate trump, who of course, at the last debate brought up a hunter biden. i think in the broader sense, there is a way in which this adds to the psychic load of what he is contending with. i mean, if you think about the middle please do you think about the us and now of course, within his own family, actually though as a pro, as a political matter and in the debate that s actually an area where joe biden knows how to handle this. you remember in 2020 there was a moment when he essentially telegraph very clearly back-off. i love my son and actually, and the data in the campaign was clear about this. that was a moment that americans responded to. i think there is some piece of the public that says we want to see not only that president, but also that dad. yeah. everyone else and it s great to have you on this. thank you for joining us. pleasure. of course, as i mentioned, the fallout from this verdict is already happening in a fast and furious way from capitol hill all the way to mar-a-lago. tonight, joining us here also, andrew mccabe, the former fbi deputy director and cnn senior law enforcement analyst, ashley allison, scene and political commentator and the former coalitions director for the 2020 biden campaign. and also david urban, cnn, senior political commentator and former trump campaign adviser. so we really got the entire gamut here. and andrew mccabe. but let me start with you because we did hear from the special counsel, david weiss today, someone we have not heard from very often in this case, he came out and spoke after the guilty verdict no one in this country is above the law everyone must be accountable for their actions. even this defendant however hunter biden, should be no more accountable than any other citizen convicted of this same conduct obviously, andrew mccabe, a hunter biden s legal team has made clear they re going to challenge this, but this is not the end of the legal exposure. legal troubles front or biden. he s got another case pending this november or this fall yeah katelyn, he s not out of the woods by a long shot. the case that he has coming up in september on the tax charges very serious case, and it s one that on its own brings the threat of much more extensive potential jail time. now, of course, they ll go into that case, having already been convicted of another felony, so he s no longer considered a first-time offender in the resolution of the tax case, which could make his penalties if he s convicted even more intense okay. so you do believe age or became that it would it could impact the outcome of the case potentially yeah, there s no question. he goes into that case now is having been recently convicted of another totally unrelated offense. so that s not a good thing for him. i think it was interesting that weiss made those comments about the fact that hunter biden should not be held more accountable than anybody else there s no question that this the trial was conducted in the way you would expect to see any criminal trial conducted. the prosecutors had an overwhelming amount of evidence. their case went in very smoothly. the defense had a very, very limited range of motion to work with here, trying to get the jury to basically thread the eye of a needle and focus on the fact that hunter allegedly wasn t taking drugs the day he bought the gun that was kind of a hail mary pass and obviously didn t work for them. all of that aside, despite the validity of this jury verdict, i think mr. weiss is going to have some really tough questions to answer in the long run about the broader decisions that he made along this path. why he offered such a favorable plea deal that he then walked away from and wouldn t give back to the defendant once when he asked her that initially. so there s a lot of questions about why hunter biden was held to this standard. maybe prosecuted in a way that most other defendants who might be who were allegedly involved in similar conduct would not have been held to the same standard. those questions are still i think hanging out there for me. yeah, weiss, it we don t often see a case like this broad as we ve noted and looked at the historical context david, can we talk about how the trump campaign responded to this day? because obviously republicans talk about hunter biden a lot, but this i noticed this today with the trump campaign where they first released a version of the state of a statement on what happened criticizing biden, criticizing his family, essentially saying that hunter biden should have been charged with with other things. but at the end, on the initial statement, they said, quote, as for hunter, we wish him well, in his recovery and legal affairs okay. but then they retracted that and put out another one striking that last line and no longer wishing him well and then resending the statement all together. what do you make of that? well well, kaitlan, i like i like the first version better, right? obviously, nobody wants to see anybody languish in an addiction and spiral downward any more than they already have been. and is well chronicled on the laptop and is andrew pointed out correctly, september 5, hunter biden stands trial. again on these tax charges, which is what are much more serious, they re seven charges, i think three felonies and for misdemeanor charges, he is facing for not paying over $1,000,000.5 in taxes over a five-year period on $7,000,000 earned and so he s he s in for, some rough sledding ahead and two, your earlier get to evan s point earlier, it s going to be right in the middle of that campaign, september 5th. and it was kinda right when people are getting ramped up in campaign season. and that s gonna be weighing heavily on joe biden mind, he is not campaigning and it s going to be in the news every day is american goods are contemplating what they re gonna do. i don t think it s going to have a positive impact on who votes for whom, but people republicans are going to point back to the laptop and the 50 plus national security individuals who said the laptop was rushing russian interference camp the pain and it wasn t real. and in this case, the laptop with the fbi said laptop was real. israel could be so it s going to provide a bunch of fodder for the campaigns. for the republican campaign moving forward. yeah. i just wanted to when we ve had any of those officials who ve signed that letter, james clapper, brennan, we ve talked to them about putting their name on that and what not but ashley, in the sense of this of what we re hearing from republicans and then struggling to kind respond to this. some of them are saying that they believe that conviction is kind of dumb in the words of one of them. in other situations they ve been arguing there was this two-tiered system of justice, but, but i mean the president s son was just convicted by his justice department yeah. i mean, it s interesting to see republicans contort themselves in certain moments to make the story work for them. downtown was prosecuted. will the state a state-level charge not joe biden, they blamed joe biden now, hunter hunter biden. joe biden s son is prosecuted by the department of justice, who joe biden are president nominated attorney general, and they still are not satisfied i love i think at the end of the day, i agree with david in terms of there will be another case that hunter biden and involved in. and i do not think that these outcomes of the case particularly related to joe biden, son joe biden, like donald trump, but joe biden s son will be determined them on how voters actually the decide to vote in the fall. but what i do get allows an opportunity to do is to draw a contrast. yet again, on how the two 21 former president, one current president, who both our fathers approach the situation, talk about the situation, handled it with compassion or lack of compassion, handle it with honesty. and i think that will be in there ll be opportunity hey, this fall to see the state contrast how one side handles it versus the other. well, and we heard from the house speaker mike johnson on this listen to what he told manu raju today. david mr. speaker, you ve been saying two-tier system of justice for some time. here s the president sayyed being convicted on three counts as that undercut your it doesn t every case is different and clearly the evidence is overwhelming here i don t think that s the case and the trump trials and all the charges because it had been brought against that have been obviously brought for political purposes. a hunter biden is a separate instance okay. but david, is that really i mean, it does undercut the claims that it s a two tiered system what it does, it look, everyone s saying, look, two things can be true here, right? people are saying, oh, this wouldn t have been brought if hunter biden wasn t joe biden? in sun, but yet nobody is saying that same thing, right? except maybe for fareed zakaria, that nobody would have brought the case against donald trump if you weren t his name work donald trump so possibly both those things are true in this and these both cases, and i think that s what s getting republicans goats here. andrew mccabe, can i just get your thought on this? i mean, you were the deputy director vector of the fbi. how do you view this in the sense of, you the rule of law and justice system overall and how that is. but this new political weapon at the center of everything caitlin, i spent my entire professional life in it. the justice system in this country is not perfect. it s got a lot of flaws, but it is not two tiered. i have also seen that people who have outcomes, they don t like, generally don t like the system. and people who have favorable outcomes, they like it this politics aside, that s basically what shapes people s opinions i guess the speaker believes that his own judgments about the quality of evidence in each individual prosecution, which he admits they re all very different, his own judgment about those things should supersede the decisions of judges and juries. i disagree with that but i guess we ll just have to leave it there and i should note figure johnson was not actually in the courtroom. we were listening to all of that evidence, of course, andrey cave, ashley, i ll send david urban great to have you all talking about this, breaking it down with us tonight. thanks thanks for having me. i head, stop the steal flags and now the wife of the supreme court justice samuel alito is condemning the pride flag and more lots of flag talk. it s all in tape will let you listen to it in a moment also for her republican house speaker unloading on former president donald trump tonight, holding nothing back truly he is a populist. he s not a conservative this populism is untethered to principles presidents, the former under our leadership, the forgotten man and woman, will be forgotten. he no longer the current typography is still a sacred qarrah. there s no country in the world better positioned to lead the world on who will be the next, the most anticipated? they did moment of this election, the weight only cnn can bring it to you moderated by jake tapper and dana bash to cnn presidential debates thursday, june 27, unknown live on cnn and streaming on max start your 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years. well obviously the meeting itself isn t surprising. mitch mcconnell meeting with trump really isn t surprising. he s a political animal at his core. i mean, he s a he does some honorable things like the support for ukraine and stuff like that, but he s made it clear from the very beginning that he will support the republican nominee money i wish he wouldn t because, i mean, obviously, he could stay away. he could not say anything at all. and it s pretty obvious he s not going to be there in a number of years. so why not go out with the legacy? so it s too bad, but like i said, i m not surprised at all well, i mean, it s essentially the opposite of what we are hearing from paul ryan. he said is now voting for trump. he s going to write someone and he did that in 2020. so it s not a surprise. but this is what he said to neil cavuto about why he can t bring himself to vote for donald trump i think it really is just character at the another day and the fact that if you re willing to put yourself about the constitution and oath new or swear when you take office in federal office where there s president, remember? for congress, you swear an oath to the constitution. and if we re willing to suborn, it to yourself, i think that makes you unfit for office why do you think that other republicans more republicans who feel the same way, paul ryan does, don t say it i don t know when i wish they did. i mean, i look, there s reality that members of congress and former members of congress, particularly, or ones that are leaving don t want to make the party mad because they can go make a bunch of money lobbying after that. and so a lot of them stay quiet, which is why people asked me how can somebody that s leaving stays quiet? you don t want to tick off the party. i m very proud of paul ryan for saying that because he could have stayed silent. he could have not said anything, but he made a very clear, concise case for why he he s unqualified and on the point about the constitution law, caitlin when i swore in to congress, i did not take enough to my district. i didn t take an oath to the 700,000 people i represented. i took an oath to the constitution of the united states. that is the most important thing more than any issue. we re than any tax rate. the most important thing is, are we going to uphold these basic principles because democracy can t survive if you don t. so i think paul the speaker, made a very compelling case. he did it in front of an audience that didn t want to hear that. and i hope he says it more. it didn t talk about people though who are political animals that are interested in keeping their jobs on capitol hill. i mean, i think they look at this in a cynical way and say, okay, well, if i say what paul brian s out there saying, look at paul ryan, he s no longer in washington. he is no longer the house speaker. he left he s out why would i take that route if that s going to portend my fate? yeah. and let s look, it s true. you will be kicked out. the question is of conscience what is most important to you, a title, an identity. i mean, those are powerful things where you re conscience or your country, or the legacy that you leave. and so these people look at him, they ll look at, you know, liz cheney and i this is what a colt does by the way, it takes a few people that are out of line that don t swear fealty to the leader. they kick him out they politically execute them, and it sends a message to everybody else, don t get out of line. and that s why over the last eight years, we ve seen increasing, not just loyalty to trump but increasingly members of congress, for instance unwilling to go outside, criticized him for anything unwilling to go outside of what other whatever his daily orthodoxy is, which has nothing to do with conservatism and look, it s really just a question of conscience i m glad you said that about conservatism because this is what paul ryan s essential take was on what trump has done to the republican party. obviously, your lifelong republican, this is what he said also today i m a conservative republican. he is a populist. he s not a conservative. i want to see someone who s, who has fidelity to principles. i would prefer a party that is based on principles not personality or populism this populism is untethered to principles, but is that the future of the republican party mean that is the direction it seems to be moving in more and more look it depends how far in the future i think in a year, yet still that party i think if you fast forward ten years, i believe there s not going to be a person on this planet alive that will ever admit they support it and donald trump, because i think look, if he loses, obviously he s a loser once again. and that has a way of basically waking people up in a movement or in a political party, even if he wins, he s president for four years. very few presidents come out of that more popular than they went in america will be exhausted of 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high court, a surreptitious audio recording of the justice samuel alito and his wife, martha. and it was captured by a liberal activists who posed as a sympathetic, sympathetic supporter. and like-minded admirer i want sacred heart of jesus because i had to look across the lagoon at the pride flag for the next month. exactly and he s like, oh, please don t put a flag. i can i won t do it because i m deferring to you. but when you are free of this nonsense get up and i m going to send them a message every day this audio of course, coming to light after the new york times first reported on two flags that were flown on alito properties including an upside down american flag, which became the symbol for the stop the steal movement around january 6, justice alito responded to that in a letter to congress saying that the response to that reporting, blaming his wife for putting those flags up tonight, their neighbor in the alitos house, emily baden, said that she believes that everything that has happened, everything new here on this audio proofs are right absolute horror if there s one thing that is the basic job description of a supreme court justice. it is to remain impartial and with the upside-down flag, with the appeal to heaven flag. samuel alito has shown that he is not impartial here tonight. the vernon jordan chair and civil rights at howard university law school. cheryl, an ipl and it s great to have you here. i should note, we ve heard the full recording. this is just what has been posted online that we can hear but from what we did here i wonder what stood out the most to you and all of this audio that is mostly about martha-ann alito, but also we re from justice alito himself as well yeah. katelyn, i am focused as well on the recording involving the justice himself. justice alito and the parts that i found most disturbing, probably the part that i find most concerning is when the reporter says that we need to return this country to godliness. and he says, yes, i agree with you. i find this to be a very shocking statement coming from a supreme court justice in a democracy like hours, which is not a democracy ruled by a particular religion you know, when john kennedy was asked whether as president his allegiance would be to the catholic church or to the constitution. he said, i swear an oath to the constitution. and that is what will guide my, thinking and my work. as president of the united states. i would ve expected justice alito or any justice on the supreme court to say the same and then similarly, i was very alarmed by his endorsement of the idea that it is impossible to compromise around a set of issues that people feel passionately about. the very nature of the judicial function on an appellate court like the supreme court, is to engage in compromise, to engage in conversation, to find a way towards an answer. justice alito is fond of citing brown versus board of education, which is indeed a magician important decision that changed american democracy. but it was born of compromise to get to a unanimous decision striking down separate but equal required months of work and wrangling. but but ultimately, the court created a unanimous decision because they understood the importance of coming before the country as one speaking to such a volatile issue and what justice alito essentially said was that he concedes he gives into the idea that there are simply things he cannot compromise on and that the two, what he calls the two sides cannot compromise on. and his framing of these decisions as well. winners and losers also suggests something that is, that i think is contrary to how we think about the judicial function. what does it say to you that we haven t heard from justice alito since these recordings were published? well, i d say a few things. kaitlan that i think we should be keeping our eye on. first of all, as, you know, senator durban is going to try to move forward. the senate ethics bill that he and senator whitehouse have put together that s obviously going to be a difficult thing to do, but he s determined to do to it. and when he was asked why he s doing this, pushes it because of the recordings. he said it is not because of the recordings and he said it was because of a financial disclosures and ethic statements. and i would remind everyone that justice thomas issued new disclosures, just a few weeks ago revealing trips from 2019. so quite late. and justice alito sought a 90 day extension, which he was granted so there may be other shoe to drop so we don t know. and i think that justice alito is not going to respond to every drip and drop of the revelations that are coming out. i think he responded last week around recusal from the case because that is imminent. yeah. but i don t think he intends to respond to each of these allegations. we saw him respond to that because they were asking him to recuse himself. he said he didn t fill he didn t think that it met the standard here. but cash you something else though because i m curious as we talk about this is i wonder what you would say to people who listen to this recording in their responses. well, i m uncomfortable or i m skeptical of this because it was someone posing as a conservative supporter or a sympathizer of what the alitos deal with. i wonder what you would say two people who raise questions about that when they listen to these audio recordings yeah. i mean if the questions are about the ethics of recording someone pretending that you are sympathetic to their cause. that is one set of questions that i think are actually not the focus of our concern. i think that the focus is that justice alito was speaking in an environment where he felt very comfortable. he was speaking unreservedly. he had a sounded as though he were speaking quite sincerely as did mrs. alito. and what was also interesting was that it confirmed much of the account that was given to us by the neighbor of the very disturbing account about what was happening winning between them in that community. and even that violates at least as i read it, the court s own code of conduct that they released in november last year in response to pressure that they were getting after the revelations of financial disclosures, many of us have criticized that code but that code does say that adjusted should require similar conduct by those subject to the justices control in terms of harassing behavior and conduct, simply saying it was my wife who hung the flag or it was my wife who was engaged in the altercation by their own standards is not enough so we learned a lot from that recording that i think is important, and we ll be watching closely for the disclosure as well. cheryl, an i fold great to have you. thank you thank you. caitlin. and i should note that tonight on laura coates live, you will hear new audio of justice samuel alito. it comes from the person that we were just talking about, those recorded this the liberal activists, 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debate, june 27th, nine live on cnn and streaming on max breaking news as cnn can now project that republican congress amend nancy mace will win her south carolina primary tonight former house speaker kevin mccarthy tried to take her down by supporting one of her challengers after mace and seven other other republicans voted to oust mccarthy from the speakership last year. his revenge tour, not playing out though necessarily as he predicted. if you ve watched her, just her philosophy and the flip-flopping yeah. i don t believe she went through election cnn s senior political data reporter harrington is here as these primary results are coming in, not just in south carolina, but also across the country. and obviously, the mace race was interesting because she had kind of didn t hesitate to criticize trump previously, especially after january 6, that all changed as she was facing this challenge. listen to what she said in her acceptance speech tonight about president trump i also want to give a giant heartfelt thank you to the 45th and 47th president of united states for his support. president trump, south carolina will have your back in november how much of an impact did he have in this race? i didn t hurt. right. i mean, last time around in 2022, nancy mace barely squeaked by in that primary against kt arrington when she was seen as more of the anti-trump candidate. now she has this massive advantage and that kind of lines up with what we ve seen throughout this cycle, which is when trump makes an endorsement in either governor s race those are congressional races. his candidates have always one and 2024, at least before tonight. and the other thing i will note is somebody cares, at least in the republican primary electorate, what kevin mccarthy has to say, he s not the speaker anymore. the idea that he could go on this revenge tour and somehow get revenge against these candidates. these voters care about donald trump. he runs a reply publican party, not kevin mccarthy. yeah, there was some funding that kevin mccarthy helped with with mazes challenger, but but that was pretty much it. but we re also projecting that the republican michael ruling is going to win that that special election in ohio s six congressional district. this obviously matters because right now republicans having teeny tiny majority in the house and heal help with that margin just to teeny tiny bit. yeah. yeah. he ll help in that. but really what s interesting to me there is the margin which is he s not winning by a whole heck of a lot of the margin i last checked around was about ten percentage points. and why that s important, it s trump won that district by nearly 30 points. this is just another example of democrats turning out and high numbers in these special elections democrats are highly engaged and that s the thing they re hoping for come november, right? that this highly engaged electorate that they re seeing in these special elections will translate come november and their voters were turnout and trump s voters perhaps won t. okay, so that s interesting. so he wanted the district by how much in 2020 trump won it by a little less than 30 percentage twice and now you re seeing how close that is in that race is exactly right, and that s something we ve seen throughout the special elections since roe v. wade was overturned as democrats been outperforming their 2020 basin and democrats are hoping that translates to 2024. but of course there ll be a much wider turnout in 2024. the question is, how much larger? well, that turned out, actually, yeah, and highly engaged voters important can i ask you? we re going to talk about a few of the other races were still waiting on some polls so close in nevada, cui talk about what is happening with george santos, your war, the associated press is reporting tonight that the former congressman who has, we know is facing federal fraud charges right now, has just one. this bid from a judge to be able to go and visit the poker nose and pennsylvania yeah from a judge essentially granting his request to be able to leave the state to go to this area. it s restricted as a condition of his release while he awaits trial, but he is going to be at least allowed to go to the poker news, isn t that nice? you know, he can go skiing and the poke anos perhaps that could be my winter vacation come next year, the next time i take a winter vacation, i can go to the polk and maybe still a little bit with george santos and have a good time. i mean, george santos is the gift that keeps on giving. that s really all it is. his comedic relief and a political world in which everything seems to go wrong. and so down he is the comedic relief that actually allows us to smile once in a while when talking about politics, people don t ski in this summer, harry, you know what asking, taken water ski. why don t we go to a water park with george santos? we could do that. skiing s is for all seasons i ll leave that to 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to enter the united states well, the good news is that the system worked, right? so let s just everyone take a deep breath. federal officials caught these individuals. they investigated them, they track them down. they have them in custody. so this is exactly how it s supposed to unfold. why didn t catch them when they entered is a whole different conversation. they will have to hear soon as the investigation goes through, it may be because of what we call trade craft. these individuals may have hidden their intention. they may be well coached. there may be a larger conspiracy at play. and if federal officials followed them that look at some of their communication, some of their activities, and deemed that they were a threat. so that s good news. they were caught the bad news is as christopher wray in an april and many cbp customs and border protection high-level officials have told members of congress and the public that they re concerned about terrorist and known as what we call k asts, known suspected terrorists, and people in the no fly list sneaking across the southern border because of the the volume of individuals that are coming and the number of countries are coming from. i mean, this is exactly what we ve heard from republican critics of the southern border and how it s being handled at this moment is a concern that this something like this could happen and the system not working yeah, it s always a concern, especially when we would call them up the gottaways. so if you look at if one in every hundred thousand individuals who get away is a known as suspected terrorists. you can have dozens or hundreds of individuals that could potentially threats and so this is a wake-up call to all
that s going to do it for us tonight. i told you it was going to be a show and a half. now, it is time for the last word with lawrence o donnell. that evening, rachel. i listened to episode one of the new podcast today, and i ve got to ask you a favor. could you stop doing this thing where you reveal really dramatic, interesting stories about united states senators i ve never heard of? because, one of the angles of me getting a paycheck out of this place is i pretend that i m like the senate expert around here because i worked there for a while and this is not helpful, rachel. i spend the day listening to you tell me about a senator i ve never heard of and by the way, the single most dramatic thing that has ever occurred in the russell senate office building where i used to work and i did not know what happened until today listening to you, and it s not supposed to be like that. i m very sorry. i will start doing podcasts that are about like state legislatures and states you ve never been to. and rachel, i am filled with questions and possible spoiler questions that you are free to deflect, but could you possibly join me after i get a little worked on here about donald trump s probation, to talk about the podcast because there are just so many things i want to see if you can answer and then of course there are things you might not want to answer. i would love it. i look forward to answering your questions and to dodging them. all right. just get into your slippers well i do a little chat with andrew wiseman. thank you, i will see you in a minute. today was a routine workday for america s 93,900 probation officers. but, one of those probation officers had the least routine workday of that probation officers life today when that probation officer in new york city became the first probation officer in history to interview a former president of the united states. donald trump s first probation interview today is a standard and necessary part of determining what sentence donald trump should receive after a manhattan jury found him guilty of 34 felony charges of falsifying business records with criminal intent to violate new york election law and the 2016 presidential election. the probation department will use donald trump s responses to date to determine what sentence the probation department will recommend for defendant trump at his sentencing hearing on july 11th. in yet another demonstration of donald trump getting extra favorable treatment while he is complaining of being persecuted, judge merchan allowed donald trump s defense lawyer to attend the first probation meeting and allowed the meeting to take place virtually with donald trump in florida. special treatment for donald trump did not go unnoticed by the legal aid society, vermont defenders, new york county defender services and neighborhood defender services. they issued a joint statement saying all people convicted of crimes should be allowed counsel in their probation interview, not just billionaires. this is just another example of the two-tiered system of justice. presentencing interviews with probation officers influence sentencing and public defenders are deprived of joining their clients for these meetings. the option of joining these interviews virtually is typically not extended to the people we represent either. to ensure integrity and fairness, we call on nyc department of probation to ensure that all new yorkers, regardless of income, status or class, receive the same presentencing opportunities. nbc news is reporting that the interview lasted less than 30 minutes and that donald trump s probation officer is a woman. cnn is reporting that the commissioner for the new york city department of probation was present, along with general counsel for the department. joining our discussion now is martin horn, former commissioner of new york city s department of probation. thank you very much for joining us tonight. first of all, we want to get a sense of how unusual this was. we already have the sense that it was a bit unusual, but as to the presence of counsel and it being remote, you have these people representing other defendants, saying that is never available to us. that is correct. it is highly unusual. i think it is appropriate to make some accommodation and recognize the fact that when trump shows up his going to be accompanied by secret service. he s going to be accompanied by the press, and his presence might be disruptive, so the idea of doing the interview remotely doesn t trouble me that much. i think it is somewhat appropriate and certainly during covid, we made use of these remote kinds of interviews. i think you could make arguments both ways. the presence of counsel is highly unusual, and the presence of the commissioner is something i have never heard of in 40 years in this business. can you think of a reason for doing it if you are a commissioner at the time, would you do it? would you join that meeting? no. i cannot think of a reason to do it. i think it skews the interview. i think too many people in the room is distracting and disruptive and not conducive to candor, so no. i definitely would not have done it and i don t think it should ve been done in this case. 30 minutes is the report we are getting. what do you make of that? sounds abbreviated to me. usually these things take at least an hour. the content of what this interview was supposed to cover, and what the court is supposed to address is spelled out very explicitly in state regulations and it goes on in some length that it covers a wide array of issues. i don t believe they could be addressed and half hour unless mr. trump just refused to discuss all of them, which was certainly his right to do. there is reporting that he did cooperate and answer all the questions. i m not sure whether that is completely true but i m assuming that. what do you think are the most important things they should have obtained in this discussion? the judge certainly knows the defendants. he does not need to know much more. i think the important question to be addressed here was aggravating or mitigating circumstances. this was an opportunity for the defendant to set forth mitigating circumstances, and for the probation officer on behalf of the people to set forth any aggravating circumstances, but perhaps most importantly is the question of whether, if this individual is not sent to prison, but is granted probation, is this an individual who is likely to accept the terms of that probation and the supervision of a probation officer? and, what with the terms of probation be, and what would that supervision be like? all i can speak to is the typical case and obviously this is not the typical case, but typically a probationer would be expected to report to the probation office periodically, certainly no less than monthly at first, to keep the probation officer apprised of his or her comings and goings, certainly not to engage in illegal activities, not to associate with individuals engaged in illegal activities, certainly not to miss use drugs and alcohol, to fulfill his or her financial obligations both to his or her dependents, but also any fines or restitution that has been ordered. what about associating with people who have been convicted of crimes, many people around donald trump has been convicted of crimes. historically this has been discouraged by probation agencies around the country. it has been liberalized somewhat recently but i think it is something the probation officer appropriately would discuss with the individual to determine whether it is the association that is occurring for a good reason or not. thank you very much for joining us tonight and sharing your expertise. this evening in florida, donald trump s favorite federal judge whom he appointed, denied trump s request to dismiss the case against him for violations of the espionage and act and illegal possession of classified documents. she wrote checks myths prosecution or other permitted by law, raise evidentiary challenges not appropriate at this juncture and/or do not require dismissal even if technically deficient so long as the jury is instructed appropriately and presented with adequate forms as to which defendants alleged conduct. judge cannon did grant trump request to strike one paragraph of the indictment about donald trump s alleged meeting with a representative of his political action committee believed to be his campaign adviser, susie wiles, and his golf club in bedminster, new jersey in 2021. the indictment says donald trump showed that person a classified map at that time. judge cannon said that because showing that map is not one of the charged crimes in the indictment, it is quote, not appropriate to include it in the indictment. in the ongoing scandal that is the united states supreme court, now there are tapes, thanks to lauren wednesday, winsor, who was interviewed by julie reid earlier this evening. lauren windsor is a progressive activist known to approach important republican people pretending to be an hour, making flattering comments than secretly recording their responses. she is a dues-paying member of the supreme court historical society, which has corrupted itself into an organization that allows right-wing supreme court influencers to comfortably influence right- wing supreme court justices at the annual dinner of that organization. last year at the supreme court historical society s annual dinner, lauren windsor made recordings of her chats with supreme court justices that even she found so uninteresting she did not publish them. this year was different. she got samuel alito to agree on tape to the goal of returning the country to quote, a place of godliness. is a catholic and as someone who like really cherishes my faith, i just don t know that we can negotiate with the left and the way that needs to happen for the polarization to end. i think it s a matter of like winning. i think you re probably right. one side or the other is going to win. i don t know. i mean, there can be a way of living together peacefully, but it s difficult you know because there are differences on fundamental things that really can t be compromised, so it s not like we re going to split the difference. that s what i m saying. i think that the solution really is like winning the moral argument, like people in this country who believe in god love got to keep fighting for that to return our country to a place of godliness. i agree with you. by contrast, chief justice roberts responded very differently. you don t think there s like a role for the court in like guiding us toward a more moral path? no. i think the role for the court is deciding the cases. that is for the people we elect. that s not for lawyers. i guess i believe the founders were godly, like were christians, and i think that we live in a christian nation and that our supreme court should be guiding us in that path. yeah, i don t know that we live in a christian nation. i know a lot of jewish and those muslim friends would say maybe not. let s not our job to do that. our job is to decide the cases as best we can. and samuel alito made his wife very much a public figure by blaming her publicly for flying flags supportive of the january 6 insurrection at the capital at their homes, you might expect mrs. alito to have little to say to strangers about flags. and you would be wrong. what you think they re coming after you? i mean like the whole like appeal to heaven flag was like right. the other thing is feminazis believe they should be in control. feminazis was a term coined by rush limbaugh. fox news had not even been invented yet and so samuel alito s wife is quoting material from rush limbaugh that is over 30 years old. that is how long she has apparently been listening and taking direction from the likes of rush limbaugh. you know what i want? i want a sacred heart of jesus like because i have to look across the lagoon at the flag. for the next month and he s like oh, please don t put up a flag. i said i will do it because i m deferring to you but when you are free of this nonsense, i am putting it up and i m going to send them a message every day, and every week i m changing the flags. this is how i satisfy myself. i made a flag into white and it is yellow and orange flames around it and is the word for shaman italian. andrew weissmann, msnbc legal analyst and co-author of the best-selling book, the trump indictments. andrew, this is quite an interesting window of sound into the thinking of senator alito and chief justice roberts. well, the description from both of them could not be more striking in terms of where the country is, and you know, we are hearing from a man who is the principal architect for the reversal after 50 years of roe versus wade. his thinking is in that decision is, i think, just this week as his thinking that was shown in the letter he submitted trying to justify the flag incident, and you also have this dichotomy because you have the chief justice saying what is of course the correct thing to say, and we are on the eve of getting a decision on presidential immunity and it is a real sort of blot on this country and the judicial system had to be so direct that you have justice alito and justice thomas sitting on decisions that is not the way the country is supposed to be operated. it s not the way the court is supposed to be operating and their conduct is reflected on these tapes but their conduct in many ways even without these tapes is something that is really besmirching a really important branch of government in this country that we are entitled to count on and it is very hard to have faith in the system when you have that kind of conduct in these types of tape recordings coming out. we also have in these tapes now something very close to proving that samuel alito supreme court justice lied, lied publicly about the flags and the reason for the flags being up because here is the person who he is blaming on the flags being up saying she wants to do these flags just because of the flags that other people have including the pride flag that somehow is oppressive to her. absolutely. there is nothing in there about a response and we know that even that story, the timing of that story did not make any sense in terms of what it was supposed to be in response to, as we have now heard with respect to the police report and the neighbor across the way, and so what is really amazing to me is that there is just zero accountability of the supreme court and that is where chief justice roberts is much as he may be a good man personally and obviously said the right things which you don t really get credit for that for saying the right thing because that is what is expected but that is where he is to blame for not taking stronger action and there are a number of things he can do that would put more pressure on two justices who are really not upholding their oath of office in a way that helps this country , whatever side you are on. if you saw this from a so- called liberal justice i think we would be just as outraged and of course you would hear just as much but rightly from the far right that it is not appropriate behavior. you know, i will speak for me and i think this applies to you. i spent most of my life finding it inconceivable that we would be doing a story about a supreme court justice lying and lying about something important in public that affects the integrity of the courts on decisions and i am now realizing in retrospect that the reason that was inconceivable was really the supreme court justices themselves who we grew up with, who could not possibly step in these things the way samuel alito and clarence thomas have, but especially a leader with the flags and his wife making his comments to a stranger about the flags that have become something far beyond controversial. the flags that they are flying that share the spirit of the january 6 insurrection, all of that just completely inconceivable not because of any ethics enforcement body, but simply before because who was actually serving on the supreme court, whether we agree with them or not during most of our lifetimes. i want to point out one other aspect of what he was hurt now on tape saying, which is that the christian nation should be brought more to be a christian nation and as a jewish-american, that is not what our country is about. there is an establishment clause that is supposed to separate our religious beliefs which everyone is entitled to their own, but it is not established by the government, and that principal is very much under attack right now with at least five, if not six justices, but hearing that from justice alito s mouth basically just rips off any sort of pretense as to what is going on, and it really tells you very much how dishonest the dobbs decision was that reversed roe versus wade, this idea of we are sending it back to the states. that is not what is going on. this was part of a religious fervor that was animating what was going on, and you have justice alito really just saying it out loud, whether you like the idea of the tape recordings happening in the way they were done is neither here nor there, because you know, there was nothing that prevented him from responding in a way that justice roberts responded, which was entirely correct. the tape reveals the profound depths of the stupidity of samuel alito. we are out of time for this discussion. andrew weissmann, thank you very much for joining us tonight. coming up, our next guest needs either a very long introduction or no introduction. i will decide which one during a commercial break. rachel maddow joins us next. has grown me the best garden i have ever had. good soil, and you get good results. this soil will blow you away. it s the martha stewart of soil. nothing dims my light like a migraine. with 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for verizon wireless. so he sublet half his real estate office. i think some of them [ bird squawks loudly ] to a pet shop. meg s moving company uses t-mobile. so she scaled down her fleet to save money. and don s paying so much for at&t, he s been waiting to update his equipment! there s a smarter way to save. comcast business mobile. you could save up to 70% on your wireless bill. so you don t have to compromise. powering smarter savings. powering possibilities. wyoming in the 1940s. wonderful wyoming, state of promise, land of far horizons. horizons, promise, also, pigeons. lots of pigeons. there was a serious infestation of pigeons. that is roger mcdaniel, a wyoming historian and author. he also served in both houses of the wyoming state legislature, and the pigeon infestation he is talking about was that his old workplace at the wyoming state capital. that is the start of season two of rachel maddow presents ultra, the broadcast in which rachel once again introduces us to a u.s. senator i have never heard of. lester hunt is the man who climbed out on the window ledges at the state capital to drop poison to kill the pigeons. lester hunt, when he did this, was the newly elected governor of the state of wyoming. it gives me pleasure to introduce to you at this time the honorable lester hunt, governor of wyoming. he set his sights on the u.s. senate and he won that race. a distinguished guest for the evening is the honorable lester c. hunt, the senator from wyoming. the most popular politician in his state. lester hunt, newly elected u.s. senator, he heads to washington to do what he has always done, to advocate for his constituents, the people of wyoming and also to try to do some good for the rest of the country. he is as poised as anyone could be for success in that job, but things are about to change for him radically. what he is about to encounter in washington will cost him his life. he will not live to see the end of even one term as a u.s. senator. joining us now is rachel maddow. you can get the first episode of ultra, second season now anywhere you get your podcast or subscribe to msnbc premium on the apple podcast up to get every episode early and add free. rachel, i can t take it. listen. we have 10 minutes. it s just us. tell me all the rest of it right now. like i can t wait for the next episode, just go. so then what happens? well, and then there is us at the end of it. it becomes the america that we know. i m not going to tell you the whole story. thank you so much for letting me come onto your show to talk about it and for listening to it and for liking it. lester hunt is i mean, he is not a completely forgotten figure, but the thing things went so badly for him very quickly after he got to washington that went i have tried to do in episode one is create the lost sense of possibility. he really did lose his life to the scandal i am writing about and working on in this podcast and it is a huge loss for the country because he did have a long, bright future ahead of him if everything leading up to his life and that moment was anything to go by and i feel like i have become really good at resurrecting old villains we had forgotten about from history, but lester hunt is one of the good guys that we need to unearth and remember his legacy, too, and the loss of him is something that went really wrong with extremism in american politics. it is something we should regret and remember and commemorate. yes, so he is a democrat getting elected in republican ohio wyoming, a difficult thing to do and impressive no matter when you hear that. he is kind of the jon tester of his time there in that situation. but, apparently very naove when he gets to washington in such a way, and i m speaking beyond what i know because all i know is episode one but clearly, he gets eaten up by washington, so this is a drama about more than him. so, what happens with him, and you will get there very quickly in the next couple of episodes, is that he is confronted in the senate with the first major thing he does in the senate. there is another senator who is in the opposite party, who is his opposite number and this other senator gets involved in a nazi propaganda campaign, this dirty false conspiracy theory tale that is designed to hurt the united states, and lester hunt realizes what this other senator is doing. he is repulsed by it in the come to loggerheads in the senate over this thing the other senator is trying to advance in part of the reason i wanted to do this story is learning that while that is happening, while there becoming mortal enemies in the united states senate, they also lived next door to one another, and their backyards back up onto one in each and others houses and how they have decided they re out to destroy each other, they can see how each other is living, and that only ratchets up the revulsion lester hunt has for this other senator and he just decides you know what? i m going to take the political risk. i ve got to stand up against a monster like this and he does and it is for the good of the country and cost him his life, but what he is fighting for, and the reason he is fighting against that foreign influence operation in washington and the low down dirty depth some people were willing to go to for political gain is an inspiration to me even though it cost him his life. so, the first season of ultra taught us about the poll that fascism had in the united states, the attraction it had for some people, how far they were willing to go to advance the cause of fascism here, and that is pre-world war ii and into world war ii, that story, and this takes us to a period after world war ii where it hasn t you make the point that those people, most of them tended to disappear after pearl harbor, but that did not mean they stop thinking what they were thinking. it also did not mean they went away in politics. one of the things you and i talked about a lot with season one is that it became kind of a forgotten story, the great sedition trial, all the americans who sort of worked with a nazi agent who wanted nazis to win world work two were defeated in the united states and that means we forgot their stories and we forgot them pretty quickly. when they were all kind of let go and didn t get prosecuted for it, not successfully prosecuted for it or in the case of members of congress, none of them were prosecuted at all, their story was mostly forgotten and those of them that stayed in public life kept being the same kind of people they were before, and so, for example, one of the characters in season two is a guy who was part of the silver shirts and linked to the german-american phone that was riding for charles conklin s publication. those are all entities we learned about an altar season one. in season two, he ends up being the subject of an international years long manhunt by the united states government. they believe him to not be just an american fascist, but an american fascist and a traitor and possibly a nuclear terrorist. so, it just gets worse when these people get away and he ends up involved with a republican senator who is a sitting senator in the united states senate, so when you let these folks get away with things, it is important you at least keep tabs on them to see where else they re going to turn up, because it s never good. so, how many episodes, rachel? eight. and those of us who want 16 or 24, what do we do? so, you tell stories in your show that are similar to this. they tend to be 20 to 25 minutes, something like that. each podcast episode is significantly longer than that. what is the difference for you as a storyteller in the way you approach the podcast as opposed to the way you approach the show? very good question. so, the podcast is basically a little book. or a tv show, like if you think about it if you put of the episode links together it ends up being something that i want to be able to hold your attention for about four or five hours. in order to hold your attention for that time, it has to be well told. we use a lot of archival audio, a lot of historical audio. finding the wyoming audio archives to get the sound of lester hunt s voice was an incredible odyssey and super fun, but the idea is that this is a single story arc that cannot be told in the course of a tv show. you need to stick with it for an eight-episode arc but by the time you get to the end of it, you should ve learned a whole nothing about american history and hopefully be propelled along the way by the dramatic interest in it, so that it sticks. i want these stories to be memorable. i m not just interested in these stories because they are not well known. i think they should be well known. like, we should all remember lester hunt. we should all remember there was an internationally wanted american fascist fugitive who was involved with the republican senator at the onset of the cold war. we should understand what happens when the great sedition trial in the united states and with all of those people getting away and all of those seditionist movements effectively getting away without ever being held criminally accountable for what they ve been charged with. i want those stories to be vernacular, to be part of the way we think about our history as americans in dealing with really strong, antidemocratic challenges, because we have a strong antidemocratic challenge right now so we should do what is in our armamentarium of options for how to respond to it and what has worked well in the past and what is not. and, the key to this kind of great drama is even if you don t care about democracy, and i don t understand you if you don t, but if you don t care about democracy, this is still great drama with great characters, perfectly told by america s friendliest voice to tell you scary things. the good news is, these scary things are kind of over, except there are big threads of them still with us now. rachel, by the way, an alternative name for altar that you could have considered it s more letters, but stuff lawrence o donnell doesn t know. that could be the title but it s hard to squeeze it into a small state space. i like america s friendliest voice for telling you scary stories. i may hit you up for the copyright on that. you got it, it s yours. thank you, lawrence. thank you, rachel. can t wait for more episodes. thank you. remember, you can listen to the first episode of alters second season everywhere you listen to your podcast. coming up, there have been only two presidents in the history of the united states who have issued pardons to members of their family. president biden has promised he will not become the third as leger deliberates the case against hunter biden. that is next with andrew weissmann. is next with andrew weissmann. cologuard is for people 45+ at average risk, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your provider for cologuard. i did it my 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well, before we get to that i want to point out that compared to the opening where we talked about justice alito and the concern about the rule of law in this country, this is an example, as was the new york criminal trial, of the rule of law working for you see the courts function even when you re dealing with the former president or in this case, the son of the current president. i think they re focusing on intent. the proof here is very strong that there was possession of the gun. there is very strong evidence of the addiction hunter biden had, and the issue is, was healed she aware during the relative time periods when he signed the form that said essentially he was not an addict, did he believe that he, at that point, was an addict and also during the time he possessed of the gun, for about a two-week period, did he believe he was an addict? in other words, there is an intent requirement. making a mistake is not for criminal law. that s for civil law but this is a criminal case so i think they re going to be focused on that. also there is sufficient proof, if the jury wants to find it, but abby lowell is an extremely good defense lawyer and we will see if he pulls a rabbit out of the hat, but i think the big picture for the public is less what happens in this case and the fact that you have a president of the united states living the rule of law in this country, and you have the rule of law working, even for the president s son. andrew weissmann, thank you very much. we will be right back. very muc. we will be right back. for pneumococcal pneumonia. i m getting prevnar 20 because there s a chance. .pneumococcal pneumonia could put me in the hospital. if you re 19 or older with certain chronic conditions. like asthma, diabetes, copd, or heart disease, .or are 65 or older, you are at increased risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. prevnar 20® is approved in adults. .to help prevent infections from 20 strains of the bacteria that cause pneumococcal pneumonia. in just one dose. don t get prevnar 20® if you ve had a severe allergic reaction to the vaccine or its ingredients. adults with weakened immune systems may have a lower response to the vaccine. the most common side effects were pain and swelling at the injection site, muscle pain, fatigue, headache, and joint pain. i want to be able to keep my plans. just one dose can help protect me from pneumococcal pneumonia. that s why i chose prevnar 20®. ask your doctor or pharmacist about the pfizer vaccine for pneumococcal pneumonia. for moderate to severe crohn s disease skyrizi is the first il-23 inhibitor that can deliver remission and visibly improve damage of the intestinal lining. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine or plan to. liver problems may occur in crohn s disease. control of crohn s means everything to me. ask your gastroenterologist about skyrizi. control is everything to me learn how abbvie could help you save. choose advil liqui-gels for faster, stronger and longer-lasting relief than tylenol rapid release gels because advil targets pain at the source of inflammation. so for faster pain relief, advil the pain away. chris counahan for leaffilter the permanent gutter solution that protects your home in so many ways, it takes more than one chris to explain it. but together, i think we ve got the job covered. like leaffilter s has your gutters covered. protecting you from getting up on this thing to clean out your gutters ever again. and you know how else leaffilter protects your home? 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leaders are expected to give statements to the press before macron welcomes the president. and the first lady to the famous musee d orsay for a statement dinner. the close ties between the u.s. and france will be on full display today as biden continues to push his message of saving democracy and freedom following his d-day anniversary speech friday cnn senior white house correspondent kayla tausche is live and paris this morning. hello, kayla. we are expecting to see the president at the moment for this welcome ceremony. a walk us through what we will see today well, hello, or should we say bones zhou are from paris, amara today after a point in few days in normandy, the red carpet is now being rolled out in paris where president biden and president macron will now engage in a series of events to deepen the collapse variation between the two countries on a number of fronts, you will see them momentarily arriving at the arctic triomphe with local school children standing by them, they will travel to the elysee palace where they will have a working lunch. the two liters there are expected to discuss two issues. in particular in great detail, the ongoing wars in gaza, where president macron crown has broken with president biden and the ongoing war in ukraine where president macron here in europe has taken something of a leadership position, trying to galvanize the rest of europe to spend more on their collective defenses to produce more, of manufacture, more domestic weapons. in their own countries rather then outsource them and potentially have depleted supplies if there is a potential that war moves past ukraine into europe that is going to be one of the discussions that the two liters have today. and how does support the war in ukraine for the long haul, they re going to be preparing essentially joint positions to go into the g77 but next week and the natives summit that will happen next month. we re also expecting them to discuss climate change, artificial intelligence, and other matters of commercial importance at that state dinner tonight, which has been moved to the elysee palace from the musee d orsay. we expect to luminaries from the business and diplomatic role to be on hand for president macron to fed president biden and a relationship that has deepened over the course of president biden s terms. the two leaders had a very high-profile falling out early in biden s term when he chose to essentially sign up with australia and the united kingdom to partner on the production of nuclear submarines for the indo-pacific where eight french contractor had previously been partnered to build some of those submarines. they were essentially excluded from that partnership and it took several months to bridge that rift now, after sharing a bond over several common goals, common themes, common ideals, the need to defend europe, the need to secure for europe, and the need to essentially protect the west and western ideology. they have grown much closer, but certainly president macron is keen to hear about president biden s prospects for reelection and whether as president biden has said, america is still back, amara i ll take, it kayla tausche, force there in paris. thank you very much, president biden commemorated the 80th anniversary of d-day with a speech in normandy. biden drew on the heroism of the us army rangers who scaled the cliffs of pointe-du-hoc on d-day in 1944 to urge americans to think for this either of the fight for democracy as a cause greater than themselves. and cautioned against isolationism not just to honor those who showed such a remarkable bravery on that day, june 6, 1944. it s listen to the echoes of their voices to hear them because they are summing us. and are summing us now. they ask us what will we do? they re not asking us to scale these cliffs, but they re asking us to stay true to what america stands for they re not asking us to give or risk our lives. but they are asking us to care for others and our country more than ourselves they re not asking us do their job they re asking us to do our job to protect freedom in our time, to defend democracy, to stand up aggression abroad. and at home be part of something bigger than ourselves. joining us now is daniel littmann, white house correspondent for politico. good morning to you, daniel. thanks. good morning for being with us. so let s talk about that speech that we heard from biden up on that famed clifftop obviously, there was some echoes of reagan s address at that same location in 1984 we heard biden there make his case for america s leadership in the world, but he also had a political pitch for those of us here at home. what did you make of what he had to say though he did not mention trump specifically? yeah, he was never going to mention donald trump by name. that would be a big headline because that would be a qbi accused of politicizing this historic memorial to these fall heroes and the people who actually were successful in storming the beaches. and so he has to walk a fine line between reminding americans and the world of democracies challenges today it s one of the top issues on the ballot in terms of what people of both sides think without making it too political and he can t make his entire election pitch all about democracy, given that a lot of americans face more common concerns about pain for bills paying for food and gas. and so they re not going about their lives thinking about democracy all day long. what do you think the white house is hoping will come up today s state visit with the french president well i think, the white house wants to send a message that the u.s. and france are aligned totally on ukraine. tried to see if they can move the ball forward in getting piece in gaza and israel. and i think they want also remind americans of the problem progress that they ve accomplished in terms of pushing back russia from ukraine. they ve had they have rare. this is one of their top foreign policy victories. but it s still uncertain and trump has said he is kind of less in zelensky s corner and people on the right are very skeptical of having a very drawn-out war and it s taken a long time to get weapons back to ukraine. and so they ve had to they ve had some tough spots in terms of zelenskyy is aides were saying, hey, one speech in normandy is not going to to help us out too much. we need weapons, we need training for pilots. if you look, just over the past several months, of course, macron and biden have been aligned when it comes to foreign policy, when it comes to the big picture with ukraine and obviously trying to prevent putin from expanding his empire. and of course the war in israel. but macron has taken a different approach and the way he thinks the western world should defend ukraine and also the way that he has condemned israel more publicly. what will you be looking for when it comes to their joint statement? well, they usually work these things out, weighing advance and there s not gonna be that much daylight between the two liters on major themes, the u.s. france or are huge allies. but i m going to what s interesting is that macron s team wanted a press conference joint press conference with biden. they turned that down. there is issues about an logistical issues they ve also had disagreements about china, france, macron has been more warm towards president xi and france has wants to maintain their commercial relationship with china more than the u.s. and i expect that to be talked about a little bit in their joint statement and in their private meeting what about their political calculations as both leaders meet today, i mean, they re both suffering low approval ratings, right? so if you could just give us context on both their perspectives as they have this meeting well, most people don t vote based on foreign policy or a meeting with a foreign leader, not as many french americans who are looking at this relationship, but i think that macron and many european leaders are afraid about biden s political standing they don t want to deal with donald trump one more this, is someone who has said to vladimir putin, you can do whatever the hell you want. if those, if countries are not paying their nato dues and so that is something that is macron can t endorse biden, but he s giving him a bear hug during an election year and this is biden s only state visit abroad during the seizure. and so of course it has good timing. but europe is afraid that it s going to get abandoned by trump, who is going to be more isolationist if he wins reelection, what is significant that you have president biden on this state visit during a very busy election year, daniel let me get to see you as always. thank you. will continue to monitor events in paris and take you back there, live in just a moment. we re waiting president biden and first lady dr. jill biden, to depart. there in route to the aac to try on for that. welcome 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benjamin netanyahu s war cabinet is expected to announce whether he will go through with his vow to leave the israeli government at a popular former defense minister said last month that he and his national unity the party would resign unless netanyahu came up with a plan for gaza s postwar future as well as bringing home the hostages. cnn has been wiedemann is an beirut for us and ben today was gantz s deadline for a naval plan do we have any idea if he may have changed his mind about resigning amara before we get to the question of benny gantz s political future, we re receiving reports from gaza that there s a major israeli military operation in the central part of the gaza strip focused on the nuseirat refugee camp and bidded bella were told that the main hospital they re the an aqsa martyrs hospital has already received 16 bodies and there are reports of hundreds of people injured, including many women and children. now, regarding benny gantz, last month, he said on the 8th of june he would withdraw from the war cabinet if prime minister benjamin netanyahu did not come up with some sort of plan for a post-war arrangement in gaza so to speak, today is 8 june and all indications are that he s going ahead with this it s resignation we understand that this evening at 8:00 p.m. local time, he will be holding a press conference and the expectation is that he will announce his withdrawal. now, he his party is not part of the the ruling coalition led by netanyahu. he joined the israeli war cabinet after 7 october, really, is part, a, part of a unity government. however, he has had differences his with prime minister netanyahu for many months. now he has been pressing for some sort of end to the war in gaza. but netanyahu doesn t seem to be in a great hurry to do that. now, we understand, however, that both of them basically agreed that they don t want the creation of a palestinian state something that president biden has pushed for eventually. and neither of them is in favor of the palestinian 40 running gaza after the war. nonetheless guns has had better relations with the biden administration. then the prime minister netanyahu gantz has actually gone to washington in defiance of the wishes of the prime minister but the fact that his party is not part of the ruling coalition means that his departure isn t necessarily going to result in the fall of the netanyahu government. it may however mean that the extremists in his cabinet will have even more influence on the prime minister timur emmer up, victor been wiedemann thank you so much. within our scene and military analysts, kernel cedric latent and cnn political and national security analyst david sanger is also a new york times white house national security correspondent and the author of a new cold war s, china s rise, russia s invasion and america struggled to defend the west, gentlemen, welcome, good to see you, colonel, let me start with you and kind of put together the news that we got from the top with ben wiedemann. and this expected departure of benny gantz does his departure dramatically change the execution of the war by the idf? said that there could be more extremist who have louder voices within this coalition of netanyahu s. what does the war cabinet without gantz look like on the ground? well, good morning, victor. i think it looks less moderate and if you can use the term moderate in quotation marks because the way the idf has conducted this effort, it, this war effort in gaza, it s really doesn t look like it s a an operation if they re handling with kid gloves, they re using brute force tactics in many instances and ben described at the top of his port there are still very major operations going on. so in the short term, the departure of the potential departure of defense minister against will not change those operations. and in fact, it could basically exacerbate debate the tensions that are already very high between the civilian population in gaza and the idf. so i think these are the kinds of things that we have to look for. i think that against this departure may result in even less moderate approach. when it comes to the conduct of the war david, betty guys gave netanyahu and ultimatum. he wanted to hear the plan to get the hostages back to israel. and what is the plan for a post-war gaza if he didn t get that, he was out on june 8th. he s not getting that and we ll get to that a little later. but what s the white? get house view of this likely departure well, on one hand, they are completely in gantz s camp. here it s the white house that has been pressing for a plan not only a short-term plan on the military sayyed, but an end game plan here for how gaza would be administered, for how long israeli troops would remain, four, how do you define the defeat of hamas? because as we learned after 911, you never completely defeat a terror group. obviously new members joined and so forth. but you want to get to a zero point, which president biden thinks he israelis arad right now, where the terror group cannot launch another major attack which of course is just what the president said the other day. so gantz s had much more of a direct channel back-and-forth with the pentagon, with secretary, lloyd austin, the defense secretary certainly with jake sullivan, and national security adviser and his departure is actually going to make it a little bit harder for the administration to talk to the war cabinet there are accustomed to ganz. he used to run the military. they consider him to be somebody who thinks and military terms and it s going to leave them more dependent on talking to netanyahu. kernel weight and cnn has learned that the cia is circulating a report that concludes a netanyahu is likely to defy the u.s. demand for the plan. the plan that benny gantz once as well about what happens after the war his belief is that he can avoid an exodus of military leaders, of members of the coalition if he speaks in vague terms here about what he wants to do next for in gaza how does that, if at all influence what the us does as it relates to military support, financial support for israel well, this is going to be very interesting question, victor, because it may not be the administration who wants to do this. the biden administration, but this could very well play into our hands of those elements in the us who do not want to support israel. there have been calls even from the nwa cp to stop arming israel, to stop weapons supply for israel. and if those kinds of efforts bear fruit, they could very well and create a big rift between israel and the united states. it was really be the first time in a long time that we ve actually seen a cutoff of arms from the us to israel. and i think it s a very distinct possibility, if netanyahu gets his way. and in essence kicks the can down the road forever and ever. and it does not come up with a plan and in essence says stalls everything so that he can not only maintain power, but keep the military operation alive for a very long time, a quickly david, how big of a threat politically is betty gods to netanyahu now outside of the war cabinet, if he does, it leaves a few months ago, we would ve said a significant one. israelis hold pretty highly for his opposition party but that has decreased some in the past couple of months. it ll be interesting to see if it comes back back now as he s operating from the outside, instead of the inside in some ways, he may be a bigger threat to netanyahu as an outsider. and thus more free to be a critic david sanger, kernel, cedric leighton. thank you thank and we continue to follow developments out of france this morning. where president biden and french president emmanuel macron will participate in a welcome ceremony at the orca triomphe as part of president biden state visit. these are live pictures the us president s motorcade as they re headed to this welcome ceremony and they will be greeted by the french 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then a great possession possession to the elysee palace. we will continue to monitor these live events. this is the president now getting out of the limo. you see the embrace between first lady jill biden, and brigitte macron. these two countries obviously have a very long history together. france, the u.s. is oldest ally, these men, a warm relationship is described by the white house, although there have certainly been moments of tension over the last several years, this so this is a moment of grandeur the pomp and celebration of the relationship of the two countries. they will get to that working lunch later today to talk about some serious topics. the president, they re waving to crowds that had gathered to see the two liters the first lady s we will see them. eventually later this morning, deliver or join statements as well. it will not be a press conference, so no questions from reporters and then from there they will participate in a state dinner at elysee palace. we re joined now again by cnn military analysts, kernel cedric leighton and cnn political and national security analyst david sanger. new york times, white house and national security correspondent, david, let me start with you. there will be a lot of pretty pictures today some fantastic champagne tonight in the meantime, in-between time, what s the work that is to be done well, i m the pomp and ceremony sayyed. no one does this like the french, the dinners, the whole look in the elite zai palace the parades you ll remember that it s when president trump, when he was still in office went to a military parade in france. that he came back insistent that the united states too big military parades in washington and his military had to talk him down from this. so you ll see a lot of great scenery on the substance, it has been as you suggested earlier, vector a bit of a testy relationship. it s started off badly when the united states went and behind francis back did a deal with australia for new nuclear submarines. and basically cut out in existing french relationship that didn t get it off to the start and they ve had different strategies on ukraine consistently with president macron only recently raising less suggestion that the west should be putting troops into ukraine, something the president opposes so you ll see a little bit of jiaqing on that. but i m sure they ll do their best to make her that doesn t come out. it s one reason there s no joint press conference and speaking of the pomp and circumstance, if you gentlemen will hold on for a bit as we take a listen to these live moments right now in paris and as we bring it back to the conversation with david saying or and curl, cedric late. and we also have nic robertson are international diplomatic editor are standing buy on the issue of substance. and i want to get to you, colonel leighton let s talk about ukraine, because obviously ukraine is top of mind for both president s as zelenskyy was there for the d-day commemorations. we saw that he had the meeting with president biden on friday where he thanked him for america s reversal on policy allowing us weapons to be used inside russia for counter attacks but of course, biden also apologizing for the delay in funding colonel, how important is it for president biden and macron to be in lockstep in strategy when it comes to crime because we ve seen some differences, right? i mean, macron has been, i guess bolder in his approach to ukraine wanting more direct military involvement by nato allies. what are your thoughts on his approach versus the us one of the great things about this is that as we watched the two presidents lay the wreath to add the tomb of the unknown soldier s in france, in paris let s be honest the way in which they re doing this together is kind of the way the country s really want to act in terms of ukraine now, when it comes to the actual fact of the matter, there on slightly different timetables. so it s not anything that can t be bridged but one of the things that the french have announced is that they are going to provide training in mirage 2000 jet fighters for the ukrainian armed forces and that is going to make a really big difference. in the war effort in terms of beefing up ukraine s air force that will be in conjunction with the team training that is already happening. i not only in the united states, but in denmark and there s also supposed to be a trading center in romania that is being set up with french health so these are the kinds of things that will be a part of the effort. now, in terms of artillery and air defenses, the french have provided and in the process of providing even more weaponry in that, in that area to the ukrainians the united states, of course, as also do this in the preponderance of military aid is still coming from the united states, but basically france is leading the european collision to support the ukrainian war effort and i think president mecole seize this as being really a very important bulwark that he s setting up an essence of buffer zone with ukraine at the center of this buffer between an expansionist, russia desire by russia to move forward to consolidate its power and in essence to challenge nato, france recognizes that any challenges to nato are really challenges to its sovereignty and instability to note, maintain its independence as a european power. but it also means that the french are willing to to some extent to shoulder more of a burden, at least in the political sense. now in the 5-methyl, since that s a different, a different issue nic robertson to you now, both of these men are watching the calendar and they know that the us is about five months out from that s not funnel election and the former president donald trump could possibly be in the oval office again, how much does that calendar and the potential for a change in leadership here in the us influence what is happening today, what will be decided and discuss today, and the urgency of any plans as it relates to the two major wars were watching and the rest. let me pause and we ll listen here to this moment i don t april a belt all right. the singing their of the us and french national anthems after the plague of those national anthems before that, ruth was laid at the tomb of the unknown i m shoulder soldier. this, of course, the welcome ceremony at the oc to triumph. we re watching a flyover as well as this welcome ceremony continues. nick, let me get back to you and the question of how the u.s. election influences what will be discussed in decided today it doesn t really just picking up from the conversation you are having prior to that, the differences between the united states and france today, president biden s position, emmanuel macron s position today is a concern and it s a concern because of the recognition that president putin in russia will just exploit any tiny difference that he spots in the nato alliance in terms of positions, whether it s macrons forward leaning desire to put military trainers on the ground inside ukraine, united states reticence to do that compared to an even more potentially isolationist situation in the united states under donald trump, if he becomes president and carries out some of the things is indicated that he would do yeah. as the clock counts down on that because they re putin would not be looking at exploiting small differences. there would be, in essence, if that was to happen a major rupture in the nato-like alliance and the belief in countries like france and germany and the baltic states and the new members like finland and sweden is that putin would massively try to exploit what he would perceive as a weakened nato because it wouldn t have the united states support that the money going into ukraine and the weapons going into ukraine could be faltering. so the clock ticks. there is nothing i drew. these leaders are perhaps less that president macron can do and maybe more that president biden can do in terms of finding ways to win the narrative and win the election in november. but the calendar is against both man and there are no assurances today that president biden can really give him emmanuel macron or any other european leader that are going to assuage their fears that an isolationist, the united states could be a reality they re dealing with by this time next year, of course, emmanuel macron tried to have a strong and positive i m robust relationship with then-president trump. but even that, despite his best efforts, faltered along the way. so there s a real realization macron has dealt with a president trump and knows the realities of the difficulty of how that relationship could be. so it s hard to it s hard to know what precisely the nature of the conversation, but undoubtedly it s going to be a topic and undoubtedly macron would look to biden any assurance and reaffirmation. biden s come confidence that he is going to win the election but at the 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welcome ceremony, where they are now informally going around to meet some of the service members they gathered for this occasion, likely these are more of the d-day veterans who ve been honored over the last several days. this the 80th anniversary of that invasion in 1944, we heard from the president in normandy on friday. and of course that well, that sentiment will flow throughout the next several days of event here in pairs, the president, i believe five days overall in france, as this both combined d-day commemoration and the state visit, again, will bring these lab pictures as events continued throughout the day it s good to see you in an international diplomatic editor, nic robertson, who is back with us now from london. let s talk about that speech neck that we heard on friday from biden, a really impassioned speech against isolationism, but also, he had a message to americans about fighting democracy, continuing to carry that torch of fighting democracy and obviously a veiled reference to donald trump there was that veiled reference running all the way through it. and but also a message to the young people, not just the united states, but in all democracies, remembering that president biden came to office talking about a moment and inflection point in history where people can choose between democracies and autocracies and through his presidency with putin s invasion in ukraine, that s become very apparent. and the 80th anniversary was the d-day was perhaps the best way to kendall that idea in a younger population that here before you in these near hundred year-old veterans we re was once upon a time, young men who stood up to the tester them moment in time and president biden saying very clearly that you may need to stand up not necessarily fight for your democracy, but he said freedom doesn t come for free. so there s a price to pay. we heard at the ceremonies on thursday a navy lieutenant commanders saying relieving, if you will, the veterans of their duty saying we ve got the watch but with that, watch comes a price and this is really what president biden was talking about but it is in essence his message to his european partners as well that under my watch, as us president, we ve got your back, we support you. the alliance s strong, the alliance s important being united as the way to stand up to putin, who president zelenskyy compared to nazi time, adolf hitler. and for that reason, i think there was a broad resonance, but really you could tell certainly there was perhaps more in this for domestic u.s audience so there was for an international audience who d heard the speeches the prior day, but really the need not just in the united states, but in europe as well to awaken that idea in younger generations here in the uk, for example, elections coming up, the prime minister s talking about ray bring it, bring it back in again, national service, britain s army as a post-world war ii low point more than just around about 60,000 troops, not enough to feel that big fighting force should nato call for it. so leaders are looking around for ways to invigorates younger generations to recognize that there could be a test like this coming and that was, that was that was perhaps a strongest thrust of what president biden was speaking about you re president macron are spending a few minutes now i m talking with secretary of state antony blinken there in the center of your screen. of course, we learned from the state department that secretary blinken will be heading to the mideast for the eighth visit since the start of the war between israel and hamas two again, try to get those two sides to a ceasefire deal, something that will likely be part of the conversation between presidents. biden and macron. nic robertson. thank you for the reporting and analysis there. we will stay with you throughout the morning. and continue to stay with these live pictures of this state visit. we re back after a quick break the increase in 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gathered moments ago, president biden and macron s surveyed the troops. and laid a wreath under the arc at the tomb of the unknown soldier. at both leaders are expected to attend a working lunch following the ceremony before giving statements to the press in just a few hours from now, then macron will welcome the president and first lady for a state dinner. the close ties between the us and france are on full display de as the president, president biden continues to push his message of saving democracy and freedom after his d-day anniversary speech on friday let s go to paris now, a cnn senior white house correspondent, kayla tausche president s biden macron are expected to hold in talks today of this working lunch. hit the high points. what will they be addressing in the meetings well, they re going to be a few a topics of discussion that will figure prominently. first how they can strengthen the nato alliance, how they can continue supporting ukraine, and how they can secure the indo-pacific with president macron not willing to be quite as hawkish towards china as president biden has been thus far, but there will be some cooperation it s a maritime cooperation that the two countries are set to announce. present macron is also expected to share his thoughts on how president biden is handling this situation in gaza where he has broken with the president s position of seeking a negotiated peace process to reach a two-state solution. macron has said that he his ready to recognize a palestinian state. and there has been frustration here in france over that civilian casualties and the humanitarian toll that s been exacted in gaza as israel has prosecuted its war against hamas the administration has said that president biden expects a frank and open discussion, one that s candid and expects it. there may be some areas of disagreement there, but despite those areas of disagreement, both on the handling of the situation in gaza, as well as a high-profile break between the two allies a few years ago, over a submarine partnership that france was excluded from administration. aides say that the allies have never been closer, that their relations kinship has not been weakened in any ways by those fractures. remember, state visits are reserved for only the closest of allies and the white house has taken note that france is the us is oldest ally, and certainly those leaders standing shoulder to shoulder on those issues projecting this image of strength and partnership to the world is one of the main goals of this state visit, this happening today. so that will be really the scope of this state visit. you mentioned the press statements that will be happening later this afternoon. there has been some frustration that when president macron visited the us for a state visit at the white house, there was a press conference that was conducted tween the two democracies with two questions from members of each country s press corps. that is not happening this week. there will be a press conference at the g7, but there will not be one. this at this visit, which has been a source of frustration for some here and the preska that we will not have have an opportunity to ask questions of the leaders here, all that to say there will be pumped, there will be circumstances. there will be pumped. there will be just a lot of majesty and magnanimous things that you will see today if that arrival ceremony is any indication patient of what remains in the day to come, viktor and emmer? yeah. it continues to be one spectacular welcoming ceremony. kayla tausche. good to have you. thank you very much. let s talk with the cnn military analysts or tenants general mark hertling and see in an international diplomatic editor, nic robertson. and max boot, who was a senior fellow at the council on foreign relations and columnist for the washington post. max is the author of the new book reagan, his life and legend welcome to you all. max, let s start with you. and as a both leaders head eventually to this working lunch, talk to me about how you would characterize biden add macron s relationship? basically, there are political calculations at play as well. and then the bakr i should say, front of macron s mind he has to be thinking about the potential return of trump to the white house. i would say that presidents biden in macron have a very good relationship and as you say, i think a qur an is very happy to have joe biden in the white house rather than having to deal with placating donald trump, but i think the the anecdote that joe biden often tells us how that when he first came back into office and met with macron and he said, you know, america is back in macron and others said, but for how long and i think that s the shadow of trump hangs over all this. and of course, but even though biden and trump in macron do have a good the relationship they do have a lot of things that its costs including macron proposal to send french trainers into ukraine or is suggesting that they could be sent into ukraine, which is something that biden has expressed doubts about are or suggest that it s not a good idea. so i think there are things for them to hash over, but mainly i think this is just a wonderful moment of transatlantic unity to highlight how close the alliance is under biden angel greatly endangered or would be if trump were to come back into office? general hurtling as kayla mentioned, gaza and israel s war with hamas will certainly be something discuss today. there was the idf operation that. happened at a refugee camp that freed for israeli hostages some of the concerns here around the icc seeking an arrest warrant for netanyahu, while paris backs that washington called it outrageous the backing and supplying of weapons how significant are these differences on gaza, on support for israel between these two? well i ll try them with what max you said victor and that is they are certainly there are certainly a close relationship between president biden and president in a car but they do have some differences president macron has been very vocal in making pronouncements about different things. he is supported different things. then president biden has so well, their relationship is very close and they see democracy and the emotions of what is occurred over this last week as being similar, they do have some differences of opinion and i heard you earlier talking about the lunches and dinners. it will occur today, certainly, presidents and dignitaries du. a lot of eating and drinking further country but this is a time for them to hash out some of those disagreements, some of those differences of opinions, i think president biden has got to stay very succinctly what he believes should be happening in gaza and in ukraine, and how the nato-led clients should move forward. so that s what these dinners and lunches are all about outside the view of the kind of pomp and circumstances we saw this morning at the art to draw jennifer, i just want to follow up on that regarding these differences in and specifically on ukraine, we heard on friday, president biden apologize to velocity more zelenskyy about the delayed aid president biden obviously blamed for that but after mr. zelenskyy thanked the president for that decision to allow us arms to be used in a limited way to counter attacks inside russia. he added quote, there are some detail hells on the battlefield that you need to hear from us. i heard a bit of frustration there and zelensky s tone then, what do you think he s referring to? obviously he s referring to these restraints? well, what the presence, the once-key was likely talking about was the ukrainian targeting processes. amara president biden has specifically said that these long-range weapons should be used for an operational and tactical role. what does that mean? an operational or tactical deep strike using things like atacms and artillery pieces and potentially even jet fighters has to do with what can affect the front lines, what kinds of things are ready by russia to literally attack into the ukrainian defensive positions now, there s a difference of opinion in terms of military leaders saying what you have to do is not only du, deep strikes against those tactical targets, but what russia continues to do is push their forces further and further back from the front lines so that they are not under ukrainian attack capabilities. so that s what i think president zelenskyy is going hi to talk about how far inland can we hit? can we hit air bases that are launching some of the glide bombs? can we launch or can we attack missile launch sites so that some of our cities don t continue to come on your cat. the problem with all that is many of those russian launch sites and air bases are deep within russian territory and cause concerns from russia about attacks within their federation that could interfere with say, their nuclear defense strip, that they have put that forward saying, hey, our radars for nuclear and strategic defenses have been interfered with by ukraine. so we re saying that that is truly an attack on mother russia and this is what president biden wants to avoid primarily for the purpose of this war, not expanding into a greater european war with other nations involved you re watching the precession parade possession here along the song sally s a president s biden and macron are writing there together as indicated by the flags on the front of that vehicle we have max boot and lieutenant general hurtling with us mess. let me come to you and general hurtling says that this is the time to hash those things out. some of those differences. do you expect that there will be decisions that there will be resolutions to any of these differences today. or will they just be further discussions i m suspecting there will be further discussions, but i mean, i think these as mark hertling said, i mean, i think these kinds of discussions are very important because normally these discussions are conducted at the staff level or with foreign ministers. it s either good is very important to have the heads of state directly involved. and this is going to these kinds of occasions or the time when the heads of state have the most amount of time to spend with one another as mark hertling mentioned, there s gonna be a lot of lunches, a lot of dinners, a lot of ceremonial occasions. but while all that is going on, they can also have very substantive talks. and of course some of the stuff they re going to talk about is going to be the kind of stuff anybody talks about at lunch or dinner. it s going to be there s gonna be some polite chit chat, but i think they were also get to some of the nitty-gritty and try to hash these things out. but i think i think the big thing that a macron and other europeans are going to be looking for is something that biden really can t offer which is reassuring they want reassurance that the united states will stay committed in europe, that we will remain committed to the defense of europe. we will remain staunch and standing up for ukraine and opposing russian aggression. and of course, the best that biden can say is that s what i want to do, but i don t we have free and fair elections that america and if if i joe biden lose in november everybody knows that they could have we could have a very different policy come january 20 of next year. and so i think there is just there s gonna be a lot of hand-holding as well as a lot of hand-wringing about the outcome with the political process in the united states. and because president biden will not be able to give that reassurance that he will remain in office for another term. dig robertson to you standing by you to do expect president macron to be even more vocal, i guess more aggressive as the election, american election approaches as he has been pushing for the continent s self-reliance to take its own security collective defense more seriously absolutely. i think this is exactly the direction that europe is headed in now, because it recognizes that if not now, in the future, it may face those decisions are not every country has ready for it far from it. in fact, you have some real outliers in the european union right now, like viktor orban, the prime minister in hungry or robert fit. so the prime minister in slovakia who are both pro-putin, who are both against europe supporting or the european union financially militarily supporting ukraine this is sort of the headwinds in europe, at least that president macron faces course what he has been talking about in france has talked about for some time is a more united defense policy in europe where you become in the same way it s more similar to united states in terms of manufacturing armaments you only have a few fighter jets. you have the f 60 and you have the 15, you have the f35 in europe, there are many, many different arms manufacturers and they produce for their nations are a handful of nations within the european in union, a commonality of armament making, which is really the pressure that faces nato, right now. in terms of getting armaments in big enough quantities quickly to ukraine, that you can do this better by rationalizing a pan, europe p and defense industry. and of course, each country wants to have a big slice of that. but this is the direction that macron has encouraged european leaders to look at in the past. and one that would potentially where at the european union, which doesn t have a common defense minister, let said as ahead of foreign policy, your sip borrell at the moment, but it doesn t have a head of defense in the same way that that is something that nato does. but if united states didn t support nato in the way that it does today, then that would fall to the european union. so macron really has been a sort of a liter and a pusher for that within the within europe. and it s even his strongest partner, perhaps in the european union in this regard, would be germany, that their position is not the same as macrons. so it is an up hill struggle but it is something that absolutely they face and we heard this when president trump first came into office, if you go back those years, there was an emergency summit, european union leaders in mulcher, i believe it was and it was back then francois, along the french president and the german, the german chancellor, that then mac merkle, angular merkel, who were both saying, we need to sort ourselves out and be ready to be able to deal with an isolation is united states. so the conversations are well underway. all right. will lead the conversation. there are thanks to mark hertling max boot and nic robertson make sure to stay with us. we ll have more after this break simons are going off and playing the tornado here i m thinking, i m going to die and i thought that was it filing earth with liev schreiber tomorrow at nine on cnn homa glowed, just cleaned my entire 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on october 7. now, among the freed hostages is noah, are khamanei in one of the first hamas videos released of the massacre, she was seen being abducted on a motorcycle. we re joined now by cnn international correspondent paula hancocks and cnn international corresponded ben wiedemann, polo, first to you, what do you know about the operation? well, victor, what we re hearing is from the idf, the israeli military also, the security agency saying it was a joint operation that happened in central gaza in the area of nuseirat. it was a significant operation which at this point we understand has left at least 45 killed on the ground. and hundreds injured according to our cnn producer, on the ground. but what it has also meant is that for israeli hostages have been rescued and they have been brought back to israel. now, according to the statement they say that they are in good medical condition. they have been taken to a medical centre near tel aviv to receive a treatments at this point, we have already seen video of one of the hostages you were just mentioned they re no money receiving a phone call from the israeli president, hertz. but there are four that have been released, so no or argon money, who as we remember, we did see her on the back of a motorbike being taken at the nova musical festival on october 7, that also under aid caused law for 27-year-old is a russian israeli citizen who was working security at that musical festival also, shlomi cif 40-year-old, he was also working security and i ll mog mia jan 820, one-year-old. so for hostages, have been released at this point, we understand from the idf that they are all in medical condition. this was saturday morning that this was happening and it was described by the idf for the police and the isa is a common plex special daytime operation in nuseirat. it is the third successful operation that s the israeli military has carried out since october 7 to try and retrieve some of those, those hostages that were taken on october 7 by hamas, by other militant groups we understand there s one in october 1 in february, 3, released jointly during those operations there, but that s the latest that we have at this point from the israeli military, side, right? four, i was really hostages, rescued in that operation. paula, thank you. let s go to been we d have been now and ben, we were so get just a few minutes ago about this being the de that benny gantz, a key member of the prime minister s war cabinet, was expected to announce whether he would go through with his vow to leave the israeli government. that announcement has now been postponed is it directly connected to this operation that free these hostages we think so. i mean, a clearly does not want to steal the limelight with this one bit of good news for the israelis. his problems, his issues with prime minister netanyahu have not been resolved oh, they have fundamental differences. they were political rivals in the past. so that doesn t change. but i think for now, he s it s not canceling, probably not canceling his announcement, but he s certainly is going to postpone it while is rarely a digest. this news, i mean, keep been mining, is polo was mentioning back in what was it? october and february between those 23 hostages were released. today for them? that brings to seven 77 hostages released after eight months of intense warfare in the gaza strip keeping in mind, of course that what was much more successful at getting hostages released was that ceasefire in late november of last year where if i recall correctly, at least 40 hostages were released. so certainly what we ve seen since that very brief eight days cease fire that the military we operations have continued and have today had some success, but until now it hasn t really resulted in much other than, as i said, just seven hostages released. in the meantime, we ve had more than 36,000 palestinians have been killed we picked her. amara was showing you a video here of the two of the hostages that are coming off that helicopter and going on onto i believe that s a medical transport vehicle. one hand over his mouth, the other throwing his arms up in the air. we also saw a video so of celebration in the streets at the news of the rescue of four hostages from this refugee camp. as we get more pictures in this moment that so many families, those who are related to these hostages and those who are not have hoped for rallied for protested four to get these people who were now eight months, eight months since the october 7 attack good day almost to the de, have been held as hostages in gaza. what a moment to watch as these freed hostages walked off military helicopter are just incredible moments there we re going to leave it there. paula hancocks and ben wade. a man. thank you so much. we re going to take a quick break back after this the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes couldn t be higher. the president and the former president, one state to 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the nest neutral refugee camp, which is in northwestern, more the center part of god, while the operations in rafah continue you, this, this makes it very clear that operations across the gap gaza strip in these specifically the underground, subterranean facilities the tunnels that hamas has built underneath different infrastructure as what s been critical. so yeah, the intelligence is what drove this. i m sure this wasn t just stumbling upon four different hostages in two different locations. this has to be an intelligence driven operation, which he israeli military has been trying to do since the start of this campaign and max sent to you and what what does this mean for the hostage and ceasefire negotiations that are on going? also, knowing that benny gantz, a cabinet minister we ll now he postponed his announcement of resignation apparently due to the release of the rescue of these hostages does this increased pressure on netanyahu to bring more of the hostages home well, obviously it s very good news to get these hostages out. i mean, i think netanyahu has actually been fairly receptive to the latest ceasefire plan, which is being pushed by the biden administration in a coalition of other nations. i think the holdup right now is hamas. they re not agreeing to that plan because basically the hamas leadership thinks that seems to think that it doesn t matter how many palestinians are killed or how much that people of gaza suffer because there s longer as the hamas leadership in some of the fighters are secured here are these underground tunnels they can still hold out and essentially come out after the israeli military retreats. and i think they i wouldn t be unfortunately, i wouldn t be not optimistic about an immediate ceasefire coming because these negotiations have been going on for many months you d have not gone anywhere and i think for israel, they still face some very difficult issues. namely what happens in the months ahead they don t want to occupy the gaza strip, but then the question is who is going to bring security to that area what is the day after look like? and that s something where netanyahu has still refused to provide any kind of vision because it would be two political difficult, politically difficult for him because his coalition partners don t want any role for the palestinian authority and at the same time, there s very little support for actually having the idf occupy the gaza strip and so this doesn t really solve israel s intractable problems. unfortunately, i m sorry to say it doesn t mean that the offensive was going to wind down anytime soon general didn t answer the questions. it doesn t resolve any of those issues, but i wonder as we look at this video of hostages who are free and the celebration in the streets politically how much time does this by netanyahu relief from pressure both domestically with the pending against resignation and the pressure from the us and other allies around the world well, i don t think it s going to gain a whole lot of time internationally. victor, it certainly will gain some time domestically from mr. netanyahu because he has a lot of supporters in the israeli government. i d like to point out though one thing that our great report are, then we amend mentioned he said the last big tranche of hostages occurred after the cetacean abbas still cities several months ago, and there hasn t been that kind of released since then. yeah, i d like to point out though that israel has made the opera to hamas on multiple occasions to have ceasefire in exchange for hostage yes. and hamas continues to play with them on this. they will bring them right up to the doorstep of a ceasefire with the potential for release of hostages from both the palestinian camps and israel, but also the ones that they took on october the seventh. and then at the very end, just when there s hope, hamas dashes those hope i think that s what max was describing so it means it s going to mean a continuation of the operation. and there is certainly a disconnect between the biden administration and the netanyahu government in terms of what they should do, in terms of a ceasefire. and the three-phase plan that president biden pointed out that he was offering allegedly with mr. netanyahu is approval a few days ago. but i think as long as the hostages are still in captivity and hamas shows no interest in releasing them. remember these four that were kept, were recovered this morning alive. we re not given up by hamas. they were driven by intelligence operations by the israeli military. so i think you re going to see a continuation of that kind of intelligence. and plus, i d add that these hostages will also be able to add to that intelligence in terms of their type of treatment where they d been moved from the number of moves they ve made what locations are they putting their fellow hostages in? they may be able to add a lot of information and intelligence for the israeli military to go after some morehouse. it really is remarkable that they were able to rescue these hostages eight months after the war started on tovar seven max. if and when benny gantz announces his withdrawal from the emergency war cabinet he is a centrist. what kind of impact do you see that happening on netanyahu s government? do you expect? to see more of a hard line approach that s very hard to say. i m not sure that that much is going to change. i mean, benny gantz can lead, but it s not going to bring down the government the issue that could actually bring down the government is question of conscripting ultra ultra-orthodox men into the israeli military because some of the ultra religious parties in the the cabinet are completely opposed to that. and if the israeli supreme court gives the go ahead to conscript the ultra-orthodox, that could actually be a crisis that could bring down the government. i don t think that the benny gantz departure will bring down the cabinet. i mean, i think my it s a little bit hard to know exactly what goes on behind the doors of the war cabinet. my sense is that benny gantz is certainly more open than netanyahu has to the idea of having the palestinian authority play a role in governing gaza after the war. but i think honor has also been pretty much of a hardliner on rooting out hamas fighters, even at the cost of substantial numbers of palestinian civilians, deaths i m not sure he s diametrically opposed to netanyahu on, on a lot of issues. i mean, i think he certainly has a perception as being more of a moderate but he he s not, he s certainly not a dove i believe the conversation there max boot and general mark hertling. thank you very much. liberate back hey, mom, how many should i decorate each have ran have blue. that s a really tough call. who are you if you look at the latest data? you re probably going to need a lot of those purple sprinkles. how this guy really knows his stuff i was just doing shift wednesday my always crying 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nic robertson is back with as you ve been covering, spent a lot of time covering these attacks on the war between israel and hamas. and just hearing those details about this, you know, the hostages were rescued from two separate locations in daylight while they were under fire. what do you make of all this? this is such a success story for the idf and for the families right now, this is the moment they ve been waiting for i was at the hospital just outside tel aviv earlier on this year. i think it was january, perhaps february when 23 hostages were were freed. that was a nighttime raid it meant laying down a lot of fire, a lot of palestinians in the neighborhood were killed just to get these hostages freed. but for those families and you could feel the euphoria at the hospital back then. so outside tel aviv. so i can only imagine and we re witnessing house some, and, some of their celebrations. but i can only imagine how it must feel for the doctors there who are real professionals in helping these hostages come out of this horrible environment that they ve been in. i mean, i m looking you look at no ag money now she was handed a telephone. the president of israel was congratulating or on the phone. but just look how pale shares go back and look at the video of when she was captured she was tanned she was clearly terrified in that video. so it s quite amazing to see her now having enjoyed more than 250 days of captivity surviving it. but you can just see the way, the way that she looks now, these hostages, it appears have just been kept either underground or completely out of sunlight for so long now, it s a big process as we know, we re talking to doctors back then earlier on in the year about the process of recovery for the hostages and it s going to take a lot of time. there s your emotion. noah got to meet with her father again. there were kisses. these these are huge moments, but it s an an intense trauma that they ve been through and it s going to take a long, long time if ever to begin to unwind that. but but the medical staff at the hospital that absolutely professionals in that know their job. but this is a moment of pure celebration. i think obviously for these families, but more broadly, and israel and a desperate sense for those other hostage families now, who, who, who desperately hope it s their loved ones next, you live pictures here of the celebrations as those for israeli hostages, as we said, located from rescued from two separate locations. all four taking from the nova music festival on october 7, they are now a free medical checks under happening right now. we ll continue to get you more on this breaking news. nic robertson. thank you for that. quick rate we ll be back hi sometimes the best thing you can do with intelligence is shared with your adversary he and his secret where it is betrayed itself, bullet to the back of the hand secrets and spies a nuclear game on cnn old spice gentleman who by hydration, body wash. now that 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administration expected president macron to be very frank and very candid with his assessment of how the white house has been handling that situation. so certainly for the us, this is seen as a welcome development. it s something they have been pushing for for some time and certainly that is welcome news that president biden can bring to the table as part of that discussion. other topics that the two liters are expected to discuss are the strengthening of the nato alliance going forward and going into this summit celebrating the 75th anniversary of the alliance next month that need to continue supporting ukraine for the long-term. and what sorts of resources and assets can be deployed to ukraine at this stage of the war after president biden has just received a detailed assessment from president zelenskyy yesterday, and then there s going to be discussion around securing the indo-pacific with a new maritime cooperation deal expected to be announced between the two relations with china, 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will: i am okay. it is a little bit like is that. rachel: i feel like we are on peter hegseth now. i love it. pete: i don t want to hear myself talk. rachel: i hope the book is going well. rachel: i saw my dad reading your book. he loves it. will: you still have your chance to buy that. to the news starting now. we are waiting the arrival of president biden and the first lady in paris where president emmanuel macron post them for a state visit. they will make a statement in a few hours but won t take questions. rachel: this as the white house denies the two reportedly butting heads over assistance for ukraine. reporter: a few blocks from where we are standing, this parade is getting underway, biden being hosted by president emmanuel macron even though they had big disagreements including on things like trade where macro thinks the biden trade policy is too pro usn on ukraine because emmanuel macron does not want nato to rule out sending nato troops to ukraine at some point to fight russia. white house officials tell us it is all good. they have a warm and close relationship. people are focused on areas they may not agree on everything rather than focusing on the strength of this relationship but reporter: something president biden will do is open the checkbook. he told volodymyr zelenskyy there s $225 million on the way in the military aid, that s a drop in the bucket my 50 one billion dollars and military assistance and on the world stage president biden wanted to make sure everybody knows the new nine figure munitions package have come sooner if not for republicans back home. president biden: i m not going to walk away from you. i apologize for weeks of not knowing what was going to happen in terms of funding because we had trouble getting the bill we had to pass, had the money in it, members were concerned with holding it up. we got it done finally. reporter: we expect to see president biden and president emmanuel macron taking questions later. making statements later. white house officials are saying under no circumstances will the two of them be taking questions. we expect a state dinner later on that president biden will attend with the first lady, jill biden. she was here on thursday and flew back to wilmington, delaware to sit in the gallery for her son s trial before flying all the way back to paris. how does the first lady travel back and forth across the atlantic, is that on air force one? on the public time? how does she fly back and forth? reporter: her plane is called executive foxtrot one but it is an air force aircraft with air force pilots so it is not like she s hopping on the red eye on air france $2 to meet some suburbans there. this is a taxpayer-funded back-and-forth. rachel: would want to miss a party so she had to rush back. if while they are in france, his any discussion been had about weapons being launched into russia. it appears to be a new stage of this conflict that is pretty reckless. reporter: there s been a little bit of talk about that. president biden saying the ukrainians are only going to be allowed to attack places the russians are using in russia to attack them. they insist even though they will be striking inside russia with these us weapons it is not an offensive operation. they consider that defensive operation but when getting that close, that is how close they are 2 escalating fingers it. pete: thanks for breaking it down. is exactly right. where were we at the beginning of this conflict, what they said would not happen. you heard peter doocy mention the idea there are discussions about nato troops on the ground. if vladimir putin wasn t correct about the desire of nato to surround and we are making sure to fulfill that. neil: plan report and responded because of what you ve done, usa, we are going to provide long-range weapons to your enemies. they are considering that. we are escalating it not just there in this conflict in russia and ukraine on that quarter but potentially in other areas. we have enemies all over the world and this is very troubling. will: we heard there might be small levels between the united states and france over france s more. written tone or commitment to ukraine. as of the end of 2023, france has given 3 billion to ukraine. the united states has given 51. rachel: they feel so comfortable, why aren t you supporting us and getting nato troops, they have such a cocky attitude with us and they are not doing anything. they are not giving any money or putting skin in the game. pete: president biden felt the need to issue an apology, here is vivek ramaswamy on that. if you wants to imitate reagan peace through strength is different from peace through frailty and weakness which is where biden is exhibiting today. the reality is we are forking over more money to ukraine then we have accounting for how it has been spent in the first place. this is the problem with american culture under the leadership of biden in the democrats we are taught to apologize for who we are both at home and the global stage to flog ourselves for helping the countries we are helping. enough of that. we are done with this culture of apologist him. pete: they work very hard to almost completely rekey create what reagan did 40 years ago, catch a little bit of the magic of that famous speech. we are going to go off the wall on biden s failed recreation of biden s normally the the biden team was as concerned about the pathway from his vehicle to the stage to make sure he was going to make it as they are about the speech, that s the challenge they are facing, trying to carefully curate what their candidate is saying. rachel: trying to re-create a republican moment. however lichen has aged in terms of speech and impact on the world and history. interesting to see a democrat try to do that. will: the judge published letters saying the court became aware of our comment posted on the unified court system s public facebook page which i will now bring to your attention. my cousin says trump is getting convicted. thank you, folks, for all your hard work. the judge alerting the court this posting was made to facebook. there is some legitimate questions about legitimacy, whether or not this was truly the cousin of some juror about the fact that it has been acknowledged by the court is quite a statement and a serious potential development. pete: we were prepping for the show when this came out and when you look at the letter, how big a deal is this? for him to put out a letter publicly stating that this comment but it all looks like the comment was made on a post that wasn t pertaining to the trial. there were other comments the poster made that sounded like that. is that a scammer, is it real? but room to put a letter out you would think they did some of the pulmonary work to identify that but that is not yet clear. don t want to get ahead of what this means. could have just been this is something we have to put out just in case, let s see how it sources out. at this point we don t know how significant this is. rachel: greg jarrett had this to say about what would happen if it turns out to be true. if it is true, that s a big if but if it is true, it is grounds to vacate the conviction and order a new trial. what this judge needs to do is appoint an independent, impartial officer of the court to does contract and investigation that may include subpoenaing facebook to identify who this person is who posted it because the message indicates that a juror spoke with a relative about the case. jurors are admonished at the outset of the trial you are not allowed to talk to your wife, your spouse, anybody, about this case. that taints the impartiality of the juror, and outside influence potentially. not only that. it also suggests that perhaps before deliberations even began, the jurors had already decided to convict. if there s merit to it that case gets tossed, a new trial is ordered. rachel: half the fbi has been deployed to find january 6th to identify from. i don t know why at this point we still, it s pretty easy to find this person and if this did happen it would be a case of election interference. will: the jury was never sequestered was a whole week before it came out, like swiss cheese. what an appeal would be but it was never about appeal. it was about getting forward as fast as possible. will: whether it is true it lends to the seriousness that you take it in the beginning. rachel: millions are hitting the beach but may be at risk if they get into the water. pete: sharks are back, there have been several shark attacks in florida and one in texas. reporter: the sheriff calling back to back shark attacks yesterday exceedingly rare. two teenagers and one woman were rushed to the hospital in two separate incidents taking place in waist deep water about four miles apart within the span of an hour and 1/2. 45-year-old woman lost her arm in the first attack and is in critical condition at a nearby trauma hospital. two teenage girls were attacked, one remains in critical condition and one in stable condition. something that is important is to understand the continuity of care, that s a seamless operation between the folks at southpoint fire district, the deputies in walton county, the sheriffs office and rescue. everybody did their role professionally and these two ladies have a fighting chance because of the way we interact. reporter: these attacks mark the first in florida this year, in texas in 19-year-old woman is recovering after fighting off a 5 foot shark at galveston beach last week. as i was turning, a shark grabbed a hold of my hand and i looked down and there was a shark attached to my hands which i m glad it happened to me and not my siblings and i wasn t too affected by it. reporter: law enforcement hasn t specified the type of shark involved but the beaches are close for now. the sheriff says his office is in contact with a shark expert to see if there s an anomaly in these attacks. pete: i m going to the beach and i will swim extra far out. rachel: you are supposed to punch the shark. pete: what else do you do? the only thing you will do is try to punch. don t know if it is effective. rachel: i heard you punch it in the eyes or something. pete: if you get bit by a shark like that, among the scars and stories, what happened to your arm? obviously there s a level beyond. pete: it is obviously scary. odds are you are going to be all right. pete: they look out for the jellyfish, they are bothersome. will: additional headlines. a family confirming apollo 8 astronaut william anders is dead after his plane crashed off the san juan islands. anders was the only one inside the plane accorded to officials. he had his apollo 8 crew mates were the first people to have traveled to the moon although they did not land on it. he was known for taping this famous photo in space called earthrise. he is survived by his wife and 6 children. she was he was 90 years old. hunter biden s federal gun trial continues monday after prosecutors put their case to rest yesterday. biden s lawyers may call hunter to the stand after prosecutors revealed biden s truck and gun case had remnants of drugs on the. hunter apple the starter naomi testifying she did not see drug paraphernalia and her father s truck when he bought the gun in 2018. the trial is expected to wrap up next week. baseball, new york mets taking on the philadelphia phillies across the pond just after one:00 p.m. today. postings facing off in the third london s series. major league baseball is looking at bringing even more games to europe with another game in 2026 and paris potentially hosting the games. coverage starts at 12:30 eastern time on fox. hall of fame pitcher john smoltz joined us later today with more. pete: why are they taking will: i will be interested in what the turnout is for baseball. people fly to taylor swift concert so currently tickets are cheaper in europe. i don t know. will: the paralympics are going green but looks like the stars of the show, the athletes aren t very interested in it. pete: janice tina s off ahead of the belmont stakes. will: brian kill me joining us on the couch on the weekend, stay with us. everybody wants super straight, super white teeth. they want that hollywood white smile. new sensodyne clinical white provides 2 shades whiter teeth and 24/7 sensitivity protection. i think it s a great product. it s going to help a lot of patients. disrupts my skin, night and day. despite treatment, it s still not under control. but now i have rinvoq. rinvoq is a once-daily pill that reduces the itch and helps clear the rash of eczema fast. some rinvoq patients felt significant itch relief as early as 2 days. some achieved dramatic skin clearance as early as 2 weeks. and many taking rinvoq saw clear or almost-clear skin. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal, cancers, including lymphoma and skin; heart attack, stroke, and gi tears occurred. people 50 and older with a heart disease risk factor have an increased risk of death. serious allergic reactions can occur. tell your doctor if you are or may become pregnant. help heal your painful skin disrupt the itch & rash of eczema. talk to your doctor about rinvoq. learn how abbvie can help you save. norman, bad news. i never graduated from med school. what? 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2030. 2030. the bbc has said it is not a question of if but when we can start having a flying for a world, they warned of not being able to get fruits unless they are in season. remember 70 years ago, can t get strawberries when they aren t in season, that s because the advent of modern airline travel you can get what you want to now but because of carbon footprints and net 0 we are taking a complete reversal on all of this. there s a war on air-conditioning, freedom of movement, intentional restriction and rationing of food, energy, transportation and they are getting away with it every day we go forward with the net 0 agenda takes a little more away of our freedom and prosperity. rachel: who could say supporting a 50-year-old man in court is not morally justifiable. so great to have you always. president biden in france this morning arriving for welcome ceremony but isn t expected to questions following his statement with the french president was we are asking get brian kilmeade about his performance on the world stage next. the smooth writing, longest lasting pilot g2 has long been the hero of gel ink pens. and what hero doesn t have a dark side? 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their state dinner. rachel: they will not be taking any questions. will: let s bring in brian kilmeade. he agreed to be here if we didn t ask questions. brian: i m afraid of what you will ask. i was trying to bring down ukrainian talking points until the elevator got stuck. thursday, friday, now saturday, a great opportunity with the world watching the, to talk about the need for nato to grow, for us to combine efforts to go against, china, to see the growth of the new axis powers of iran, north korea, russia, and in china. no questions. gives an speeches, have some awkward glances and call it a day. he is exhausted. there s probably a lot of things you want to discuss or get done or navigate and you are just not meeting a capable partner. reporter: i always say what if this happened under trump. one of the first thing that s happened the first year of president biden, they decided to sell our nuclear submarines to australia. the deal was done with the french selling it, billions of dollars, australians go i would rather buy them from you so we came in and undercut the french. pooled their ambassador. can you imagine if trump did that, that s not how you treat an ally but since that time, although the word is he doesn t like donald trump, they had their ups and downs, tolerated each other, that is the start they got off of an president biden let everybody know. rachel: is the bad what about that move? started that way. will: you got out of your yacht on saturday morning and drove into new york city so quickly you couldn t put on a tie, i take her seriously enough that i came in studio but not serious enough for a tie. but the reason you did is you had a big interview for one nation. had a chance to talk to the man in charge in terms of global power it is and the other thing is he happens to one of the best friends donald trump has in real life, nothing to do with politics. they ve been friends for 30 years. i had a chance to talk to dana white behind the scenes before big event, a huge fight with at the end of this month, the biggest ever, he talked about the trump that he knows and the guy he expects to finish off and when in november. you wants to be the next president, stare in more fighters eyes to see what s in there. where does he rank? number one, take any of the greatest fighters of all time, trump is number one, the most resilient human being i have ever met in my life. you got money, you got a great life, whatever, why keep doing this, one thing i can tell you and this is a fact, this guy loves this country and he loves all americans regardless of what color, religion or whatever it is, he s not a racist, he s a good human being and he loves america and cares about this country period, end of story. will: dana, it is no secret dana is going to do what dana is going to do, he s not afraid, he will say what he wants to say, he s unique as an individual that way but unique in the world of sports. i cannot imagine any other leader of a sports organization taking a position on trans let alone that. that is all the way. he spoke at the rnc and i am doing it and don t do it and doing it and killed it and that s just it. he meets with kings and queens around the world and the middle east, has things going on in japan. he s got a global, opening up facilities in mexico. he literally is a global power. everyone has their fighters. i think it will be an olympic sport soon. the other thing is what is it with these fighters and trump, they hopped out of the octagon to shake his hand, give tributes to him after they win or lose and the bond that they have. what about his connection to the fans, fighters wanting, he walks in, fans in the stands. joe rogan is the most powerful in the media right now. he did the first 15 for free and now he loves it. he has martial arts background. i think he was on the fence about bernie sanders and by the way he talks, you could hear him on the introduction describing everything, he might be there. they are presenting a wreath at the tomb of the unknown soldier in paris. you hear the sound. one thing that has been edifying to switch gears is to watch the level of appreciation the french seem to still have for what america did 80 years ago. we can talk about the other stuff on the side, you were just there, the way in which they seem to still pass it to the younger generation that americans did something really special. their country was taken over. they were occupied by heather. we still weren t in the war and when we came in we came into a buzz saw and had to have the element of surprise to overcome the weather and guess will be saved, millions of french along with the french resistance from the worst person in the modern world, hitler, who was doing nothing but getting revenge on the french. he says if you let me keep friends i won t take any more and the allies said that s not going to be enough and to see people walk into the teeth of gunfire like this, they had six to 8 weeks of training and they were just doing other things, the only thing that was so interesting, you are on our coverage, their objective was, wasn t goes so far, we have to win. that s what they did. we knew we would go home after we won, that s it. 80 years later, it is remembered. rachel: listening to french taps. o say can you see by the dawn s early light what so proudly we hailed at the twilight s last gleaming whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight o er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming and the rockets red glare the bombs bursting in air gave proof through the night that our flag was still there o say does that star spangled banner yet wave o er the land of the free and the home of the brave will: national anthem of the united states of america at the arc they triomphe in paris, france at the tomb of the unknown soldier. french president emmanuel macron, american president joe biden. it is significant they are standing in front of the term of the unknown soldier. i ve fallen down the rabbit hole. i was in france the week before the eighth anniversary of d-day, you start studying and watching documentaries and movies, the casualties on d-day were something like 20,000 dead but another 10,000 missing. you know what that means, missing. to the ocean, to the overwhelming firepower. the unknown soldier is a big part of the casualties on d-day in world war ii. the one hundred first airborne in the 82nd airborne, they were working against german intelligence which started to get a sense where those drop zones might be and move them. will: they were scattered all over the country. the number of b-52s shot down during that dropped. they all missed the target. they had to rally, scramble that morning to accomplish their objective and make it clear for the guys coming down the beach. rachel: france doing a wonderful job of covering our dead. will: this goes back to the revolution. rachel: they arrive on the scene. a lot of their desire to help us was mounted in their animus toward the british, but we will take it and here we are 80 years ago, when you experience one of those, it s pretty cool. 80 years ago sending our boys over there to liberate their entire country. not getting in this until americans prove they can win in the battle of saratoga prove to the french that we are worth it. these guys have a shot. rachel: as the state visit continues, if and when there are moments worthy of coverage we will bring them to you. there is a state dinner but unlikely to be any questions, will not hear in an unscripted sense from emmanuel macron or president biden. great to have you this morning. what time this evening and people view the interview on your program? reporter: 9:00 tonight. pete hegseth is going to be on and pete, i won t give it away but you were good, insightful, handle two topics you weren t expecting and you ended up, it all went together? pete: i had a chance to watch that interview. it s 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day in saratoga. hard to believe it is only three hours from new york city. one of the oldest tracks in the nation and the oldest thoroughbred race in the country, that happens in august. that is where my husband and i had one of our first dates. we talk to the folks at saratoga and who they are excited to win. [the william tell overture reporter: the third leg of the triple crown, the belmont, is being held in saratoga. we were expecting some rain but i am here so it is mostly sunny skies. what is it about saratoga that so special? a beautiful facility, the history of it. every day at saratoga is nice. backyard, the people. every time i come here, it s home. reporter: the first time you ve been at the racetrack? do you like it so far? yes. you, your parents? what they love about this racetrack? they love watching the race and betting on horses. reporter: i ve been to a lot of racetracks are across the country but saratoga is my favorite. you know why? my husband, sean, and i had one of our first dates at this track 20 years ago and i ve got a picture to prove it. are you betting on the big race at the belmont stakes? absolutely. mystic dan. i like sierra leone. the prettiest name, that is a horse. all of them. what you are you doing today? just being cute? yes. reporter: there s going to be a lot of people here for the belmont. is that exciting for this town? we are used to what. kids are in school right now so that is even better. they are in school. is this mom s day off? nice, very nice. there is food, there s drinks. it s not belmont without a hat. but let s talk about saratoga and belmont and why these hats are different from other races. saratoga at belmont is over the top. the combination of the wonderful race in the summertime plus the third race of the triple crown. it is like smash and fashion wonder. are you excited to have it here? totally. what i have seen is everyone is excited about it and they are getting behind it like the kentucky derby but new york style. it s amazing to me. reporter: you get to see the first look at the beautiful hat christine made me. how do you like my hat? the race is about to begin and i ve got the best seat in the house. reporter: this is the winner circle where the winner of the belmont, we give it good luck and i don t know if the rain has held off so far. maybe i am just lucky. we were expecting rain on this race day but it is mostly sunny skies. maybe it is because i m here, maybe not. 6:41 is post time, the 156th belmont stakes is going to beyond fox. back inside. pete: stick with us all morning. will: more fox and friends still ahead. er child. get in. listen. what you really need in life is some freakin torque. 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The long arc of time could not diminish for some the emotional grip of d day. tonight, the acts of remembrance moved to britain s villages and towns, beacons of hope and peace. d day 80 years on, an enduring power to conjure memories of loss and images of sacrifice in the pursuit of victory. duncan kennedy, bbc news. gareth southgate has the england manager gareth southgate announced his 26 man squad for the euros, which start in germany next week. jack greelish, harry maguire and james maddison are among those who haven t made the squad. england face iceland tomorrow at wembley in their final
For the freedoms that we have enjoyed. you see the supreme court he has now appointed taking freedoms away from americans. we have to really stand in the breach, that is what his speech is about, both at home and abroad, we have to stand in the breach and protect the freedoms, lest we have the kind of bloodshed that we where we lost so many lives and so many of our brothers and sisters gave the full measure of their sacrifice. but compared to the economy, compared to immigration, compared to crime, does your own polling suggest to you that this is something that is indeed resonating? and if so, there s reporting in politico that the president s appearance and all the accompanying stage craft are being engineered for public consumption in packaged clips. is that how you put it out there and you think it will be effective, if in not raising awareness maybe just giving people pause about what they might want to vote on in november? well, let me respond to that in a couple of different
The day had begun at the place set aside for britain s collective acts of wartime contemplation the national memorial arboretum in staffordshire. veterans and families came to honour the fallen and pay homage to sacrifice. at the going down in the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. the long arc of time could not diminish for some the emotional grip of d day. tonight, the acts of remembrance moved to britain s villages and towns, beacons of hope and peace. d day 80 years on, an enduring power to conjure memories of loss and images of sacrifice in the pursuit of victory. duncan kennedy, bbc news. our europe editor
Courts. but it also obscured then what all of those little things can add up to. and it can really be monumental change. and it contributed for the left to what we talk about. this broad sense of denial, right? it s hard to understand what is going on. the book talks about what is the power of belief versus the power of denial, and how does that function in society and what is the big, big impact for generations of families to come? and the thing that i love is it has the long arc. if you can mobilize everyone who opposes overturning roe tomorrow, you still can t change life for the american woman for perhaps another generation. right. the abortion rights movement was focusing on what you re talking about. building popular support, destigmatizing the procedure, throwing out these terms like safe, legal and rare, in favor of a new language that would get more cultural acceptance.