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standing up against. what what keir starmer claimed he was standing up against.— standing up against. what i am heafina standing up against. what i am hearing from — standing up against. what i am hearing from people _ standing up against. what i am hearing from people up - standing up against. what i am hearing from people up and - standing up against. what i am i hearing from people up and down standing up against. what i am - hearing from people up and down this country is that they feel that the tories have done nothing for them. when i ask people, and i do this regularly, just tell me honestly, is there anything at all that you can point to that you think is better about your life after 1a years of tory governments, and time and again, people say no. not only are things not better, they are worse. they are worse. 0k, let me point out... if i may... sir keir starmer said today, voters can reject pointless populist gestures. was furlough a pointless populist gesture? indie furlough a pointless populist aesture? ~ ., furlough a pointless populist aesture? ~ . ., ~ ., :: gesture? we are talking about 40 ears, gesture? we are talking about 40 years. though. — gesture? we are talking about 40 years, though, victoria, - gesture? we are talking about 40 years, though, victoria, the - years, though, victoria, the problems were already there before covid. —— 1a years. problems were already there before covid. -- 14 years.— covid. -- 14 years. what asking, though- -- _ covid. -- 14 years. what asking, though- -- we — covid. -- 14 years. what asking, though... we called _ covid. -- 14 years. what asking, though... we called for - covid. -- 14 years. what asking, | though... we called for furlough. they actually _ though... we called for furlough. they actually had _ though... we called for furlough. they actually had to _ though... we called for furlough. they actually had to be _ though... we called for furlough. they actually had to be pushed . they actually had to be pushed there. it was the tuc at the cbi and there. it was the tuc at the cbi and the labour party in parliament pushing them furlough tops so you would agree that was a practical

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about that? look, i was going to lead ou about that? look, i was going to lead you to _ about that? look, i was going to lead you to my _ about that? look, i was going to lead you to my remark _ about that? look, i was going to lead you to my remark that - about that? look, i was going to lead you to my remark that i - about that? look, i was going to| lead you to my remark that i was about _ lead you to my remark that i was about to — lead you to my remark that i was about to make, i was canvassing yesterday. — about to make, i was canvassing yesterday, knocking $137 and i spoke to 37 people and some are still with the conservative party and some conservative voters who are fed up with things — conservative voters who are fed up with things but out of those 37 people. — with things but out of those 37 people, five or six so the answer was either— people, five or six so the answer was either keir starmer the labour party— was either keir starmer the labour party because if you ask people what the tories _ party because if you ask people what the tories stand for and are we delivering, _ the tories stand for and are we delivering, you will get a mixed opinion— delivering, you will get a mixed opinion from some but there is still a reasonable number of people who think that _ a reasonable number of people who think that the country is on the right— think that the country is on the right path _ think that the country is on the right path. you ask what keir starmer— right path. you ask what keir starmer stands for, people don't have _ starmer stands for, people don't have a _ starmer stands for, people don't have a clue. starmer stands for, people don't have a clue-— have a clue. i will leave it with that. have a clue. i will leave it with that- thank — have a clue. i will leave it with that. thank you. _ have a clue. i will leave it with that. thank you. at _ have a clue. i will leave it with that. thank you. at some - have a clue. i will leave it with| that. thank you. at some point labour that. thank you. at some point labour will _ that. thank you. at some point labour will be _ that. thank you. at some point labour will be asked _ that. thank you. at some point labour will be asked about - that. thank you. at some point | labour will be asked about their beliefs — labour will be asked about their beliefs and they will be found wanting — beliefs and they will be found wanting because they don't have any. that is— wanting because they don't have any. that is a _ wanting because they don't have any. that is a tiny— wanting because they don't have any. that is a tiny sample but thank you for your non—scientific experiments of knocking on the doors in your area.

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we can now speak to labour�*s thangam debbonaire, shadow secretary of state for culture, media and sport. thank you for being with us. we have a lot to get through on behalf of our viewers. what is the big idea thatis our viewers. what is the big idea that is going to cut through to voters between now and election day from labour? i think that what people will be asking themselves, and we have certainly been doing this when we�*ve been campaigning up and down the country is in 13, 1a years of tory governments, does anyone at all really feel better off? i know the answer we�*ve been getting is no. people feel their wages have gone downhill, their rent or mortgage has gone up, their bills have gone up, the potholes are there in the roads, the potholes are there in the roads, the trains that run on time —— don�*t run on time, and public services are creaking at the edges. what we are promising as we will take a decade of national renewal to start fixing those problems right at the core. we

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power is put back into the hands of voters with the general election coming and we set out very clearly what a labour decade of national renewal would look like in contrast to the 1a years of failure from the conservatives. and what we saw from keir starmer today, setting out this decade of national renewal, some people are saying he is a radical hiding in plain sight. so who is the real keir starmer? a very cautious figure who doesn�*t want to frighten the horses, or he is going to transform this country in a radical way? as someone in keir starmer�*s shadow cabinet, i can tell you that his missions are ambitious for the country. they are not easy to achieve. he set us very bold targets to turn the country around in the course of the next labour government, if we win, but over a decade of national renewal because we know the problems left from the conservatives are deep and structural. that is very radical. if keir starmer wanted an easier life he wouldn�*t be pledging to deliver such bold promises for the country at the next election. but we all know how to deliver that. we are all fired up and ready to go. we just want the next election to come sooner rather than later

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what about the argument that rishi sunak is a bottler? he can go all the way to january next year but all the opinion polls show that people really want to get on with this election. this argument that he is bottling it? you say people want to get on with the election. i think the opposition wants to get on with the election. maybe the media wants to get on with the election. but i think people i speak to in my constituency and further afield actually want some stability. so they want to make sure we are back on to firm ground in terms of the economy. so i don�*t think everyday people are really pushing for an election right now. so there is next year, and obviously an election has to come by january of 2025 but it probably will be the back end of this year, as rishi has said, and i welcome that. but i think we are all in this job to try and get things done and i think rishi sees the opportunity of the next 12 months to get more done and demonstrate he is the right person to lead this country. but has rishi sunak been scrabbling around, criticising 30 years of political failure and then summoning a leader he had implied was a symbol of

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would do with another five years in power. meanwhile, the labour leader today promised voters cheaper energy bills, higher growth and hope if his party wins the election. we'll ask labour if it really can be that easy. also tonight... jeffrey epstein—linked names unsealed in us court papers — including prince andrew and bill clinton. we'll tell you what is new and what is significant when we speak to us attorney gloria allred, who represents 20 of epstein�*s alleged victims. and the man behind the day today, alan partridge, the thick of it and new play pandemonium, all about the pandemic — armando ianucci — is here to look ahead with our political panel to a big year for voters in this country. good evening. the prime minister and the man who wants hisjob made pitches to you today. can rishi sunak change his electoral

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have as a government that is righting _ have as a government that is righting the ship after covid and the price — righting the ship after covid and the price shock and the inflation shock— the price shock and the inflation shock of— the price shock and the inflation shock of the war, getting the country— shock of the war, getting the country back, getting the economy back country back, getting the economy hack and _ country back, getting the economy back and inflation down and living standards — back and inflation down and living standards up and a labour party that wants— standards up and a labour party that wants to _ standards up and a labour party that wants to spend 28 billion in tax and spend _ wants to spend 28 billion in tax and spend and — wants to spend 28 billion in tax and spend and i— wants to spend 28 billion in tax and spend and i was it yesterday... we don't spend and i was it yesterday... don't have the spend and i was it yesterday... 2 don't have the time. if i may. don�*t have the time. if i may. looking at the various things rishi sunak has tried to do to change the dial that he pushed back the date for petrol and diesel cars to be banned and he ditched much of hs2 and the king speech on the autumn statement, nothing he does seems to make any difference. 0n newsnight last night the woman who co—wrote the conservative 2019 manifesto said that in her view there is nothing he can do to change your electoral fortunes. 0k. can do to change your electoral fortunes. ok. you must be worried about that?—

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appointments and operations to the nhs each year, evenings and weekends, to make sure we get those waiting lists down. so we already know how we are going to pay for that. we know as well that some of the rest of that money that we get from abolishing that super—rich tax break, we will use on introducing breakfast clubs for every child in every primary school across the country, to make sure that children get to school well fed, that they have got carried just before school which for many parents is what makes the difference between being able to take up a job and not. —— that they have got care before school. those of the concrete difference is that people will see that we will spend money, we have already identified and we know how we are going to do it. ,, ., . ., and we know how we are going to do it. keir starmer claimed today that the conservatives _ it. keir starmer claimed today that the conservatives had _ it. keir starmer claimed today that the conservatives had no - it. keir starmer claimed today that the conservatives had no practicall the conservatives had no practical achievements to points towards after almost 1a years. he also said in his speech today that politics is not a game. if you�*re not prepared to give credit to the conservatives first of they have done that have helped people, then you too are guilty of playing games, are due? which is what keir starmer claimed he was

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ukraine were. they understand the reasons why it is high but - ukraine were. they understand the reasons why it is high but if - ukraine were. they understand the reasons why it is high but if you - reasons why it is high but if you say we are being taxes down when it will continue to rise and will do into the next parliament whoever wins, that is not straightforward. kevin hollinrake said to our political editor in his film a few months ago, and he has you know is rishi sunak i like a close ally, he said, the conservatives have got to convince the public that rishi sunak is the right leader, it�*s a bit late, isn�*t it? we have an election to fight and we have a _ we have an election to fight and we have a clear— we have an election to fight and we have a clear choice, we are bringing down _ have a clear choice, we are bringing down inflation on the economy is growing. — down inflation on the economy is growing, compared to the eurozone which _ growing, compared to the eurozone which is _ growing, compared to the eurozone which is going into a prolonged recession— which is going into a prolonged recession this year and may be longer~ — recession this year and may be longer. we are doing much better at stopping _ longer. we are doing much better at stopping small boats than any other country— stopping small boats than any other country in _ stopping small boats than any other country in europe, down 30%, not enough. _ country in europe, down 30%, not enough. in — country in europe, down 30%, not enough, in italy and elsewhere the illegal— enough, in italy and elsewhere the illegal crossings are up by nearly 100%~ _ illegal crossings are up by nearly 100%~ so— illegal crossings are up by nearly 100%. so the choice we are going to have as _ 100%. so the choice we are going to have as a _ 100%. so the choice we are going to

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that communities, especially those outside _ that communities, especially those outside of— that communities, especially those outside of london, _ that communities, especially those outside of london, there _ that communities, especially those outside of london, there is- that communities, especially those outside of london, there is no- outside of london, there is no connection— outside of london, there is no connection between— outside of london, there is no connection between national. connection between national government— connection between national government and _ connection between national- government and local government, local government _ government and local government, local government is _ government and local government, local government is seen _ government and local government, local government is seen as - government and local government, local government is seen as a i local government is seen as a kind of, local government is seen as a kind of. and _ local government is seen as a kind of. and also — local government is seen as a kind of. and also ran— local government is seen as a kind of, and also ran on— local government is seen as a kind of, and also ran on something i local government is seen as a kind of, and also ran on something not| local government is seen as a kind i of, and also ran on something not to think— of, and also ran on something not to think about. — of, and also ran on something not to think about, whereas _ of, and also ran on something not to think about, whereas in _ of, and also ran on something not to think about, whereas in fact - of, and also ran on something not to think about, whereas in fact a - of, and also ran on something not to think about, whereas in fact a lot i think about, whereas in fact a lot of the _ think about, whereas in fact a lot of the major— think about, whereas in fact a lot of the major issues _ think about, whereas in fact a lot of the major issues like - think about, whereas in fact a lot of the major issues like social- of the major issues like social care. — of the major issues like social care. health— of the major issues like social care, health and _ of the major issues like social care, health and so _ of the major issues like social care, health and so on - of the major issues like social care, health and so on are i of the major issues like social- care, health and so on are foisted onto— care, health and so on are foisted onto local— care, health and so on are foisted onto local government. _ care, health and so on are foisted onto local government. but - care, health and so on are foisted onto local government. but with i care, health and so on are foisted i onto local government. but with no resources — onto local government. but with no resources and _ onto local government. but with no resources. and that's _ onto local government. but with no resources. and that's what - onto local government. but with no resources. and that's what people i resources. and that's what people feel on— resources. and that's what people feel on the — resources. and that's what people feel on the ground. _ resources. and that's what people feel on the ground. the _ resources. and that's what people feel on the ground. the system i resources. and that's what people feel on the ground. the system is| feel on the ground. the system is broken _ feel on the ground. the system is broken and — feel on the ground. the system is broken and i_ feel on the ground. the system is broken. and i think— feel on the ground. the system is broken. and i think he _ feel on the ground. the system is broken. and i think he is- feel on the ground. the system is broken. and i think he is trying i feel on the ground. the system is broken. and i think he is trying to articulate — broken. and i think he is trying to articulate that _ broken. and i think he is trying to articulate that that _ broken. and i think he is trying to articulate that that actually- articulate that that actually doesn't _ articulate that that actually doesn't cost _ articulate that that actually doesn't cost money as i articulate that that actually- doesn't cost money as such, it's more about— doesn't cost money as such, it's more about reorganising - doesn't cost money as such, it's more about reorganising and i doesn't cost money as such, it's i more about reorganising and making things— more about reorganising and making things more~ — more about reorganising and making things more... making _ more about reorganising and making things more... making parts - more about reorganising and making things more... making parts of- more about reorganising and making things more... making parts of the i things more... making parts of the country— things more... making parts of the country in — things more... making parts of the country in parts _ things more... making parts of the country in parts of _ things more... making parts of the| country in parts of government talk to one _ country in parts of government talk to one another~ _ country in parts of government talk to one another. i— country in parts of government talk to one another. i do— country in parts of government talk to one another.— to one another. i do think keir starmer needs _ to one another. i do think keir starmer needs to _ to one another. i do think keir starmer needs to be - to one another. i do think keir starmer needs to be careful, i to one another. i do think keir - starmer needs to be careful, though, when he says tread lightly, i think if you see politics as a form of entertainment it has been very volatile but if politics is about government helping and supporting you, don�*t want to end up sounding laissez faire and actually, treading lightly, and i would say the problem for keir starmer is that actually, there are some slight differences in particular policy areas but

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