class= nosel > div class= colspacer > div class= gutr > that is it for us, thank you so much for watching. remember, if your friends are busy tonight, had a hot date, you and can watch the nightcap tomorrow night, saturday at 11:00. he s turn right here on msnbc. for now i am signing off and on that note i wish you a very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thank you for staying up late with me, i will see you tomorrow. i think back and i go, this was such a senseless murder. and why diane? why, when she was ready to start a brand-new life? i will never know that answer. spectacles kept coming. >> hi diane, it s 2:00, just making sure you are here today. >> at 2:00 it was too late. >> simone have killed her. >> we had her body at the scene, that was all. >> she had a fiance. >> they argued a lot. >> we had our ups and downs, no question. >> and a coworker with a crush. >> he was an odd character. >> i was always very spoiled lead to her. >> everybody was suspect. >> then the break. tips from other women. >> he wanted to get me in there and i didn t budge and all of the bells were going off. >> i jumped in my car and took off. i felt i had dodged a bullet. >> the who was frightening, but the y was much worse. >> in my wildest rooms i would have never imagined something like this could even exist >> we you certainly had a motive. >> yes, we did. >> ♪ it was the afternoon of november the 15th, austin, texas, 4:00 p.m. something ominous in the air. suddenly, the familiar feel of it against the skin, comping. something big. >> they did tell us on the news, if you don t have to go out tonight, don t, because we are going to get relentless reins. >> and then the sky overhead turned dark, like midnight in the afternoon. >> when stuff like that is pitch black out and you have the fear of tornadoes. >> sure enough, so the announcers on tv, twisters had been spotted heading towards the city, including northwest. >> diane lived in the northwest and i called her i said, hey, girl, they just said there is a tornado heading in your direction, and she said my direction? and she s like, i don t know what to do. i ve never been in a tornado. >> so, she was kind of freaked out? >> she was very freaked out. >> then the ferocious rain and heavy wind, the thick funnel clouds dipped around the city. the next morning, a friday. it was all over. friends checked on friends. but no one could reach diane. the freaked out one. diane holik work from home, for ibm. that morning, so unlike her. she missed the conference call. >> hi diane, it is to:00. i am just checking to make sure you are safe. >> all day, phone calls from ibm and friends went to voicemail. >> diane, hey, this is sharon, i was going to see if you are going to show up tonight or not. >> she didn t. >> i got to the club and i was waiting, and she didn t come, she didn t come, and i spent all of my time wondering when she was going to show up. >> had she been caught in the storm? had her house been hit? a coworker called the police. they cruised over to diane s neighborhood and found her big house unscathed. they. through windows, the security key. they went upstairs. there, all but hidden behind a guest room bed, they found diane. >> someone had killed her. i actually had a scream of some sort, just like, you can t-- it is not true. that is not what happened, that is not diane. >> but of course it was. diane holik, 43 years old, suddenly the unlikely center of a strange and disturbing mystery, and a most unlikely victim, murdered. >> absolutely lived life with gusto. she was a vivacious, beautiful woman. >> reporter: lynn had a known diane since the 90s when they started working together at ibm. >> she let her friends, she let her family. we would vacation together. we would have so much fun and just laugh and laugh and laugh. well, a lot of things we like to do altogether was we hit the clubs a lot. >> lots of dancing. >> lots of dancing. >> diane met anita and cheyenne cooper at the ladies room of an austin bar. >> she was in there, she said oh, you have cowboy boots, you must know where country barn is. we said yeah, i do. our best friend is coming and we are going to go when she gets here. and she said cool, i m going to go with y all. first time i had ever met her, never seen her before. >> she was in town for 3 weeks. >> diane said well, not just for the club, so she gets into the truck where her clothes are and starts pulling at something western and starts putting it on right there in the parking lot. she was crazy. she was throwing things on that she was-- >> stripped right there in the parking lot. >> right there in the parking lot. we danced all night long, she was having a blast, so happy that she had met the two of us, because she said, now i have me some dancing buddies. >> so magnetic. which, said her colleague, helped make her a fine recruiter for ibm. >> i would center off to colleges, and these kids, they would just gravitate to her. she had a personality that just stood out. >> and her attitude? endlessly adventurous. >> one time i remember sending her off to do a recruiting trip, and she got out there and they were doing a balloon fest, and she called me up and said, i need half a day off. and i said why? she said, i m jumping in a balloon and going. >> she would always test the edges with you? >> always, yes. >> she would throw all kinds of parties at her house and invite everyone she knows. >> so, they may not know each other, but everybody knew her? >> yes. yes. and she was great, she just loved having all of these wonderful people around her. >> in any room, any crowd, diane was the lure, especially to men. >> it was never a problem going out with her, because she was like a magnet for all of us. >> yeah. there was always been around when diane was there. always. >> so there were. now she was dead. and the one thing that seemed obvious, there is that second floor bedroom, what happened to diane for the mark of a man. coming up, a killer is calm and cool as he is coldhearted. >> you commit the act of murder, and then you leave, you don t want to get caught, the that person didn t do it. that, in itself was odd. >> someone close to diane? 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(energizing music) i got a page from the supervisor in homicide saying that a woman had been found deceased in her home in northwest austin. narrator: detectives tracey gerrish and eric de los santos i got a page from the supervisor and homicide, saying that the woman had been deceased in her home in northwest boston. >> detectives tracy garrett i long since learned that if didn t tell them much. but when diane was murdered? >> we had the body, and that was all in the beginning. >> they looked for evidence of forced entry, there was none. >> the doors were locked and windows were attacked. >> either the killer knew her, or she let the person in. in any event it certainly didn t look like a robbery turned deadly. >> she still had her watch on, she still had a tennis bracelet on, and she had a charm that was in her hair that had obviously been on that was not around her neck. she also had some money that was sticking out of her pocket. >> so, maybe diane s body would tell them the story. the killer had hidden her under a bedspread. >> it appeared that she had been strangled, a ligature mark around her neck. >> it could have been a rope, it could have been one of those flecks fans that you used to exercise. >> clearly not somebody s had? >> clearly. what about her eyes and her face? was there any sign there? >> she definitely had in the eyes sign strangulation. she appeared to have a bruise on her cheek. it was like a rubbing type of a bruise on her cheek and she had four of them on her stomach. >> rubbing type of ruse? >> as if you are being dragged across the carpet and it was a rug burn. >> they discovered sponges of lipstick and mascara on the carpet. >> we also found a spot of urine, where her body would have been, had she been strangled. so, we knew something that happened there at that particular spot. >> she must have been killed there. and behind the bed where they found her body, was there any indication that she had been sexually assaulted in any way? >> no. >> her clothes weren t messed up. there was nothing indicating that she had been fighting, she had no scratch marks on her neck. why didn t she try to defend herself? so, as we continue to look at the body we notice some red marks on her wrist. that was interesting, because you don t usually see that. there was no ties, there was no rope, there is no tape around her in the room. >> just red marks. >> just red marks. >> little red marks that look, somehow familiar. >> it looks like two parallel lines, and then perpendicular to those lines were little lines , probably a 16th of an inch apart. i ve seen these marks before, sometimes on the flex ties that we use. >> ties. zip tied binder. >> but then he would have cut them off afterwards. >> he obviously cut them off afterwards, and we knew that immediately. >> detective santos s mind went to the darkest of places. diane must have been restrained with those zip ties, helpless, terrified as she watched her killer preparing the ligature and put it around her neck. >> what kind of horror did you go through? what was going through your head? >> after she was dead, the killer must have stayed for a while, carefully erasing any sign of his or her presence. >> so, that in and of itself was odd, that doesn t happen. you commit the act of murder and then you leave, you are scared, you want to get out of there, you don t want to get caught. this person that we didn t know, if they were male or female, didn t do that. >> with this person? so deliberate, so cold-blooded. this was no straightforward case, nothing simple about it. >> i probably didn t sleep for 72 hours. >> as they chased down their endless questions. >> so, what does that leave you with? was it a targeted killing? the one who is angry with her? >> those were all possibilities. most of the time you are going to be killed by someone you know. sometimes it is someone you know very well. and of course, we are all familiar with domestic violence, so, you know, we want to see who is in the immediate inner circle of her life? >> diane s friends, they learned, she had been married years before, but had spent most of her adult life as a single woman and happily so. until she changed her mind. >> she left her single life, and she loved her independence, but an interesting thing happened when she had 40. she decided, i need a partner, i need somebody like my friends have. i wanted marriage, i want the things they have. >> so, diane set out to find a mate. with the help of the dating service, it s just lunch. and pretty soon she met a divorced father of two, named dennis connolly. >> i think they truly, immediately had a chemistry. i think they were in love. he was a successful businessman, he was handsome, he took her everywhere, and that is what she was looking for. >> just two months later, dennis presented diane with the bubble of a lifetime, a $20,000 engagement ring. >> he loved her, he put her on a pedestal and treated her like a queen. >> she likes his daughter, she cared very much for his daughters. and that was a strong point. >> they make plans, as lovers do. dennis had moved from austin to houston. the idea was diane could sell her big house and move down there too. it was a downmarket then, but as diane told her friends, there was one potential buyer. now diane was dead. and there were all of those questions. not a robbery, and yet, as the detectives soon discovered, something was missing that $20,000 engagement ring nowhere to be found. so, police wondered, where was fiance, dennis, during the violent storm? and did he know something? coming up. the storm outside and in. >> they argued a lot. >> we had our ups and downs, no question. you know, it wasn t like -- >> physical? >> never. >> when dateline continues. lin it s okay to show off. with dupixent, show off your clearer skin and less itch. because you have plenty of reasons to show off your skin. with dupixent, the #1 prescribed biologic by dermatologists and allergists, you can stay ahead of your eczema. it helps block a key source of inflammation inside the body that can cause eczema to help heal your skin from within. many adults saw 90% clearer skin, some even achieved long-lasting clearer skin and fast itch relief after first dose. serious allergic reactions can occur that can be severe. tell your doctor about new or worsening eye problems such as eye pain or vision changes including blurred vision, joint aches and pain, or a parasitic infection. don t change or stop asthma medicines without talking to your doctor. show off to the world. ask your eczema specialist about dupixent. ask your eczema specialist it was true, all her friends knew it, diane holik was in love with the man it was true. all of her friends knew it. diane holik was in love with the man she met , smitten like a teenage girl, but the road of love, as we all know isn t always smooth. they were engaged so quickly. too quickly? before long they encountered some serious issued set her friends, anita and jared. >> they argued a lot. >> about, one example? her dogs, were like children to diane. but she told her friends, dennis didn t want any dogs in their new house in houston. they fought, set her friends, about what he seems to want her to be. >> she was always talking about, hey, didn t want her to do this or didn t want her to do that and that will cause arguments. >> she would not go along with it? >> no. she was independent? what was he? >> controlling. >> oh. >> very controlling. >> that can be a difficult combination to >> so, it was confusing, she probably wore this spectacular ring, but the engagement was off and then, maybe on again. and yet, that very week, set her friends, diane told them she still didn t know what to do. >> so, she had gone back and forth and back and forth? >> emotionally she was a roller coaster, because she just couldn t see how it was going to work and none of us could see how it would work either. >> especially when she told sharon she had made a date with another man. >> we kept telling her, if you are still wanting to do these things, you are not ready for that. >> but she had her house for sale? >> yes, she was going to downsize. if she didn t get married, she was going to downsize anyway, because this house was just way too good. >> waffling under plans for dennis? a date with another man? she said she had seen dennis angry, so, after diane was murdered, she wondered-- >> maybe he had just lost control of his life and killed her. that was my first thought. >> detective gerst ash dennis to come to the station to speak without the aid of a lawyer. the detectives focused on the timeline. they believed diane had been killed that stormy thursday afternoon or evening. her body was discovered about 5:30 p.m., friday. >> we were definitely interested in where he had been for the last three days. he knew he was going to verify his alibi to us. >> at the station, dennis seemed upset, but composed. as he told investigators, he was in his office in houston the night of the big storm, but exchange online messages with diane, back in austin that afternoon. >> it was just, you know, like, hey, i m working late, i m getting ready to go home, and she just send me, you know, i love you. that was it. >> and you were at the office? okay. >> dennis said he got home from work late thursday evening and was back on friday. >> we looked at the conference, could he have driven down to austin for diane and theoretically driven back in time for work? and yes, he probably could have. >> they checked diane s answering machine and found messages from him, this one was left on friday, the day after the big storm. she was dead by then. >> hey, you, if i don t hear from you in about an hour, and calling the freaking police. and have to go by your house okay? >> another message, saturday morning. >> diane, what is going on? give me a call. you have me worried to death. by. >> which could have been some sort of cover-up, of course. dennis admitted, their relationship was iffy. >> we ran into rough spots. we were going to build a house in houston and i decided that, you know, given the fact that we weren t getting along to gather, very well-- i mean, there was no fight, we all fight, it s just -- everybody carries baggage of your relationships at this age, and -- and our baggage was clashing, and we were working on it, but we decided not to be engaged anymore. >> okay. >> and stop holding a house. >> but he said they were going to therapy, which was hoping. >> i mean, we were really, really making breakthroughs, you know? >> about diane s dogs, for example. >> she saw that i was accepting the fact that, you know, her dogs were going to be in the house. >> and not long before diane was killed-- >> i remember her saying you know, that she would-- she loved me and that she would jump at the chance to be in a relationship and marry me, and, you know, no matter how long it took. yeah. we had our ups and downs, no question, but it wasn t like -- >> no physical fights? >> no. never, never, never even angry or loud words. it was just -- it s stupid, you know? >> she thought i should be more of a-- like, handyman kind of guy, like her dad, right? and-- and i thought she should be more appreciative. >> what she faithful to you? >> i would-- i would be shocked if she wasn t. i would be stunned. >> everyone has his or her version of the truth, of course. dennis story, not at all what diane s friends said they had been hearing from her. >> i wanted so many times to just say, dude, you are just so stupid, because she did want to marry you. >> detective geyer garrett took fingerprints, collected dennis s dna and check his alibi, and dennis? before he left, dennis brought up another name. >> has anybody gotten a hold of ray? >> no, we are trying to figure out who ray is. >> ray was a colleague of diane s at ibm. >> he seemed to worship the ground she walks on. he seems to be attracted to women that are not attracted to him. honestly, if i was-- if i was a woman, i would-- he would be giving me the creeps. >> and according to dennis, he and diane were not on good terms. >> now, they had a falling out about a month or so ago. don t know the exact nature of it. >> so, time for a talk with ray. coming up. a coworker, with a crush, but did he want something more? >> i was always very spoiled to her, and very affectionate to her. >> when dateline continues. i asked my doctor about treating my td, and learned about ingrezza. ♪ ingrezza ♪ ingrezza is clinically proven for reducing td. most people saw results in just two weeks. people taking ingrezza can stay on most mental health meds. only number-one prescribed ingrezza has simple dosing for td: always one pill, once daily. ingrezza can cause depression, suicidal thoughts, or actions in patients with huntington s disease. pay close attention to and call your doctor if you become depressed, have sudden changes in mood, behaviors, feelings, or have thoughts of suicide. don t take ingrezza if you re allergic to its ingredients. ingrezza may cause serious side effects, including angioedema, potential heart rhythm problems, and abnormal movements. report fevers, stiff muscles, or problems thinking as these may be life threatening. sleepiness is the most common side effect. take control by asking your doctor about ingrezza. ♪ ingrezza ♪ everybody wants super straight, super white teeth. they want that hollywood white smile. new sensodyne clinical white provides 2 shades whiter teeth and 24/7 sensitivity protection. i think it s a great product. it s going to help a lot of patients. i ll be honest. by the end of the day, my floors...yeesh. but who has the time to clean? that s why i love my swiffer wetjet. it s a quick and easy way to get my floors clean. wetjet absorbs and locks grime deep inside. look at that! swiffer wetjet. i am just collate in with the hour s top stories. the united nations is answering adding israel and hamas to its military forces harming children amid military conflict. the news comes as israel faces new criticism for an airstrike in central gaza that killed dozens of people at a u.n. displacing palestinians. and president biden spoke of the need to protect democracy while fighting dictators and hateful ideology, as he honor the sacrifices of soldiers 80 years ago on the beaches of normandy. now, back to dateline. suspicion. there was lots of it to go around after diane holik was choked to death in her own guest bedroom. at least one of diane s friends directed her suspicion at dennis. the man who said he was her fiance, but was he anymore. dennis swore it wasn t him, but maybe he was suspicious too. what about this guy? he asked? what about ray. >> there was a man that she worked with, by the name of rafael chauncey, and she had actually hired him at ibm, so she was kind of his boss. >> maybe more than his boss? here s what diane s friends told the police about ray. >> he was johnny on the spot every time she needed something. he always called ray and ray was there. honestly in my heart i believe that he truly loved her and would have varied her. >> if she would have him? >> yeah. if she would have him. >> it seemed off to dennis. s relationship with diane he told the police, it was a little too cozy, obsessive maybe? >> he always felt like maybe ray kind of took a liking to her was very infatuated with her, and he would always offer to take care of her dogs when she was out of town. always wanted to be kind of close to her. so, he thought maybe that he had too much of an interest in diane. >> what s more, ray had his own personal key to diane the house and remember, there was no forced entry. the killer was either invited and or had a key. so, detective gerrish asked ray to come into the station and answer a few questions, except it was ray who seems to be full of questions. >> working on it. unfortunately i don t know anything about diane holick when until i went to her house last night. >> he seemed excited to share what he knew. >> how long have you known diane? >> two years. >> he was an odd character, eager to help us, almost too i eager, to the point where throw us off a little bit. >> my group, my payment to her was not to always take care of her dogs. in two years she didn t have a dog sitter, i even change my schedule so i could walk her dogs. he told you a lot didn t he? man, i can t believe it. i always had a crush on diane, since i was younger. >> to diane reciprocate your feelings? >> no. >> did that ever cause problems to you? >> no. in the beginning-- >> argument that stuff? >> no, in the beginning we have some -- i was always very spoil- ey to her, very affectionate, she didn t like it. >> they played good cup, that cop. another detective came in, frustrated. >> no sexual relationships? you want to? i always wanted to, but never did. know, it was a little bit more formal than that i guess. >> you never had a sexual relationship? >> no. never. so, your dna shouldn t be found on her? >> you are not giving it to us? >> if you wanted. >> ray agreed, he did have a key to her house, but he also had an alibi, he was at work the day diane was murdered. >> i had the badge. there s cameras all over the place too at work. you can ask for the records. >> that day, ray said he stayed late at work and then drove home through the terrible traffic created by the storm. and after that, stayed home. >> stayed home and didn t go anywhere. back to work this morning at 8:00, 8:00. >> of course they needed to verify all of that. but when they asked ray about dennis, the fiance? >> that is a loaded question. >> it is and. i mean, i want the truth. >> there were some problems or whatever? >> they were going to get married this november. >> clearly diane had complicated relationships with dennis and ray. so, just as they had done with dennis, police fingerprinted ray and took a dna swab and went on looking. sharon told the detectives done had a date with the man and they couldn t figure out who that man was, but they tracked down every man she had met from the dating service. >> i interviewed every single day she had through that service. >> too many options. police wondered, has diane been strangled by a man she had met through the dating service? or a man she knew well? even left? and yes, something seems to be missing, but what? this wasn t going to be easy. coming up, a funeral and a wedding, and what some say was a former fiance s extremely strange behavior. >> oh god, we did a morbid thing. i mean beyond belief. >> and finally a clue. >> was this one of his stakes? 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>> right. no idea who did it. >> exactly, and i had an idea that we would have the crime scene. >> that meant she had investigators went back to diane s house to take a look. >> and went over it with the alternate light source. we have to do it in the dark. we just take it and put it in carpeting or on any kind of fabric or anything. and certain things will fluoresce. >> for example, if there is blood. >> the alternate light search source we are looking for. >> it didn t look like diane had been sexually assaulted. but they had to know for sure. and when they tested? >> there were no indications that there was any semen anywhere. and that room are different parts of the house. >> nothing. no semen, no blood, no evidence of sexual assault. and apart from her missing engagement, nothing in diane s house seemed out of place. except, in the middle of the otherwise brisk living room. >> there, on the loveseat is this tower just thrown open. weird. >> it was definitely out of place. >> maybe it was left behind by the killer? was this one of the mistakes? >> there were hairs later on. >> her hairs? >> no. >> there were seven hairs on that terrible. >> they sent the hairs to the dna lab. her friends plan the excruciating details for diane s memorial service here in austin. >> sharon found the funeral home and the lady to do the makeup and everything. we went in with them and help them pick out a casket and all. >> and her dress for an open casket. >> i need to make sure that whatever we got looks right and covered the appropriate parts of her. seeing where the wounds were, seeing where the ligature marks were, probably just as difficult as the day i found out that she passed. >> dennis came to the service, as expected, but-- >> he tended to not speak with anybody, which i found somewhat strange for a man, who was so in love with diane. >> front and center? >> no, he did not sit front and center, which somewhat surprised me. >> watched through a haze of grief and suspicion. when diane s parents moved her body from austin to their home in new york for the funeral, diane s friends as was dennis. and as diane lee in her open casket something very strange happened. >> oh god. he did a morbid thing that just infuriated her parents. i mean, beyond belief. >> dennis had brought a minister with him to the funeral. >> to actually say the marriage vows to him, as she was laying in the coffin. and then took her hand and put that gold band on. i thought mom was going to come unglued. >> diane s parents removed the ring, said a friend. but, the diane s family was appalled and her friends were deeply suspicious, back in austin, investigators were looking at all kinds of possibilities. dennis, ray, and other men diane had left remained on the list of statements, their alibis checked and rechecked. and the first time love. but that murder prosecutors talked about, was that really what happened? was the killer some random predator? >> is not a great feeling to know that you are going to have to expand out into the possibilities that this was somebody who was a stranger to her. because that makes it so much harder. >> that second, more intense search of the crime scene detectives found the first time, including this killer, where the lover has been careful and clearly prepared for what he, or she was going to do. >> this person, who is trying to avoid being captured. >> yes, so he cut the zip tie off of her and took the zip tie with him. >> and thus removed the evidence, but there was this one other thing, just a passing comment. they heard it from anita, on the phone with diane. >> she said that she had somebody that had come by earlier and had looked at the house, was very impressed with it. i said that is good. she says, yeah. i might finally sell this thing. >> good that visitor be connected to diane s murder somehow? or that discarded what towel? with those seven tiny strands of hair. coming up, a stranger knocking on doors. what happened next. >> i felt i had dodged a bullet. >> he wanted to get me in there and i didn t budge. i stood there with all of the bells going off. >> when dateline continues. ne this painful, blistering rash can disrupt your life for weeks and could make it hard to be there for your loved ones. shingles could also lead to serious complications that can last for years. if you re over 50, the virus that causes shingles is likely already inside you. and as you age, your risk of developing shingles increases. don t wait. ask your doctor or pharmacist about shingles today. 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we could all unsubscribe and switch to xfinity. their connection is unreal. and we could all un-experience this whole session. okay, that s uncalled for. the detectives investigating the death of diane holik were all too aware that stranger killings are among the hardest to solve. at the point when you were driving around talking to people here, did you have any idea what you were looking for even? no, nothing. narrator: especially if that stranger is as careful as diane s killer appeared to have been. i mean, it was true whodunit. narrator: the medical examiner looked carefully for evidence of sexual assault, semen, the killer s saliva, dna under her fingernails, that sort of thing. and there was none, none at all. though, police 101, maybe one of the neighbors saw something or someone suspicious. and sure enough, not one, but several neighbors had seen a stranger, a potential homebuyer, who was a welcomed visitor, frankly, in the difficult housing market that year. they all agreed he was tall, had dark slicked back hair, and a big nose, and that he said he wanted to pay cash for a nice house. so was he the man who toured diane s house day of the storm? you always try to find the last person that saw-- sure. --the victim alive. and we thought, well, this man could be the last person to see her alive. narrator: who was this phantom homebuyer? interviewer: did anybody get a name? we did get one name, walter miller and a number. narrator: walter miller? of course, they looked up the walter miller s around austin and found two of them. neither one fit that description, though. and the phone number the man left-- course they looked up to walterg miller around austin and found two of them. neither one fit that description though. and the phone number the man left? >> it ended up being a fax machine. it ended up belonging to the wife of a guy, by the name of matthew supolsky. >> matthew supolsky. what with you? >> he had a background involving a drug addiction, the muscles, a restraining order against him. and we eventually tracked on matthew >> and they realized right away he could not be the killer. >> he was in a neck brace, he had been in a bad accident, he had paralysis on his arms, so we knew it couldn t be in. >> meeting, this visitor, whoever he was, left a fake name and a big phone number. who would do that? then they found another neighbor, who had talked to the guy, heard his story, got a good enough look at him to help with a composite sketch. >> and we aired it on the 10:00 news. >> boston police have asked for help in solving a murder. police questioned a man seen in the day before that murder. they described his wife between the ages of 35-45, he s about six feet tall and neatly dressed. >> and we were hoping to get tips. >> what you know? before long women started calling. tales about a man who wanted to buy a house. >> so, what were you hearing from people who may have had a visitor? was at the same story they were hearing? >> pretty much. yeah, they were getting the story about this guy that sold his ranch in south boston he and his wife are looking to do this quick in the physical description were all the same. >> some colors, like tammy, had curious details. >> he had on brand-new gene that were probably three sizes too long. >> it was the kind of strange thing you remember said agent, tammy. >> he had on a shirt, a striped shirt that had wrinkles in it. i mean, pulls. >> just came out of the box? >> he just bought clothes, i m sure of it. he had suspenders on, which i m sure nobody wears suspenders and it wasn t like his pants are falling off. >> but it is when she showed him into the house that her nerves went on alert. >> he said oh, after you, after you. it was a standoff at the bottom of the stairs, wouldn t go. >> my stomach is tight. >> tammy was where a. years earlier, she had been raped by a customer. >> i knew all my instincts, all that i have learned and been through were the reason i was nervous about him. >> he said his name was jim sage. he kept trying to get her into upstairs rooms. >> he wanted to get me in there, and i didn t budge, i stood there and all the bells were going off. >> the next day tammy called the police to report this jim sage. >> did he hurt you, did he threaten you? did he put his hands on you and i had to say no to all of that. he said i m sorry, there s nothing we can do. >> but now, diane had been murdered, strangled, tammy remembered the man s odd suspenders use them on diane pop holick s neck. >> when did that hit you? >> after. after i found out she was strangled. >> the calls kept coming in. women, with stories of a strange man posing as a homebuyer, some truly hair- raising stories. like what happened to x real estate agent melanie blunt, six months before diane was murdered. a man had called about one of her houses. >> it was a vacant listing, and i asked him if he had been prequalified by a lender, and i am paying cash, and so i drove over to meet him at the house or go to the door to greet him. and immediately he was behind me. he would never walk in front of me. >> which made melody uncomfortable. especially because he only wanted to see vacant houses, and-- >> the whole time that i was showing him the home he was never looking at any room. he seems to be more interested in looking out windows than he did the actual room. >> she said something else seemed off about him. >> he has a ticket in his neck, constantly cracking, and popping his neck and breathing very heavy. >> melody wanted to leave, but then the man noticed the detached garage. >> he was adamant about getting in the garage. he said i really want to see inside the garage. he started that neck popping. >> her hand shook as she tried to work the key in the door. >> it didn t open. i just turned to him said i m leaving, jumped in my car. locked the car and took off and i left him. >> she drove home, still shaken. >> i have never cried, nor prayed so hard in my whole life , because i felt i had dodged a bullet. >> melody called the police too. got the same message as tammy. >> they did not believe me. did he touch you? did he hurt you? no, he did not. >> when she saw the story about diane and the sketch? >> i looked at it, and immediately knew that it was the same man. >> well, the police and prosecutor investigating diane s murder were working every angle they could think of. >> we were just coming up zero. >> he knew what he or she was doing and very careful. >> that was the impression we were getting, and that is what was increasing our anxiety. >> so, they waited for dna results from those tiny hairs found on the towel in diane s living room. and they listened to the women who called to tell them about being frightened by a mysterious would be homebuyer. >> who was he? and then one more call and they knew this could be their breakthrough. >> she said that she had seen the news and she thinks that that man had come to her house and she possibly had a flyer that he had handled that he had left behind. we were really excited about that. >> which meant that, maybe there might be fingerprinted. >> did she say this thing? >> she did it by accident. >> she didn t just throw it away? >> no, she actually picked it up and put it in a sack. >> a story by this time sounded all too familiar. >> she was excited to sell her house. she was going to pay cash, wanted to bring his wife back to look at the house and he asked her if she could look around. so, she kind of followed him into one of the bedrooms and when he got to the closet he turned around on her and she said there was this awkward silence and he just stared at her, she just became so uncomfortable she thought something bad was going to happen. >> and just then, in a nearby room, the woman s baby cried. >> and it gave her the opportunity to break the encounter with him to grab the baby and he followed her into the room and was standing behind her, when she turned around with the baby in her arms and it must have spooked him. >> and he just left? leaving behind the flyer? >> leaving behind the flyer. >> so they picked up the real estate flyer and brought in a latent fingerprint those prints might just belong to their killer. remember, they found no prints in diane s house to compare them to. in fact, this was strange. even diane s (hard to find. as if the killer may have wipe them clean. >> it was really not even the fingerprints that you would think you would find in a house that was occupied. >> that is very rare. >> yes, it was very rare and scary. >> scary because they wouldn t know who he was. scary because if he was a stranger just looking for a convenience target he had probably seen the stories on tv with a composite sketch and knew they were looking for. so he could have changed his appearance or left the area, or even worse, my strike again somewhere else. but then? there was this one more phone call from a woman, who said she too had an experience with a male homebuyer and this call just might lead them to an actual person. coming up. >> she immediately got a creepy feeling from him. >> the brick detectives had been waiting for. >> she actually wrote down his license plate and called police. >> when dateline continues. co keith morrison (voiceover): the idea that the murder of diane holik had something to do with her attempt to sell her house the idea that me tthe murde diane holik had something to do with her attempt to sell her house was gaining some traction. even the friend who remained so suspicious of diane s fiance wondered about that. >> i had a fleeting moment that maybe it was somebody dealing with the realty and selling of the house because there were quite a few people that came in. i thought maybe a husband found her attractive, you know? made a move and she didn t go for it. >> calls were pouring in to the police station from women who all shared a similar story. they described a man who claimed to be in the market for a new home but seemed to be shopping for something more sinister? one woman provided police with the mystery man s fingerprint. detectives thought the crime scene had been wiped clean so there was no way to match it back. there was a new caller and she was about to give them more. >> and she basically had told us that months earlier that this man with the same story had come to her home but in a different neighborhood. >> but very affluent so it kind of matched. >> he was insistent about wanting to go in and see that house. and she immediately got a creepy feeling from him and told him no and her husband said well if he ever comes back you need to call the police or get his license plate because it really scared her. and about six months later he came back and was very insistent on going in to see her house and she told him no she was not going to allow him to come in. and so she called the police. >> nothing happened then. the reaction she got was like those other women. the police could hardly arrest some guy for just seeming creepy. but this woman did something different. she wrote down the name and phone number the man gave her but more important his license plate number. stuck it on her fridge. instinct? luck? maybe both. >> she didn t know if he would come back again. she thought it was concerning enough that she would just leave it on her refrigerator just in case and she gave us the original piece of paper she wrote his license plate down with. >> and. >> well we immediately ran his license plate and it was a minivan and it was registered to patrick russo and his wife janet russo. >> patrick russo. his last known address was in a rural area about a half hour outside austin. so they decided to pay a visit. it s a pretty drive to bastrop county. the live oaks, the cypress trees. at 4:00 a.m. the detectives weren t exactly taking in the view as they drove to russo s home. hoping this is a lead that could shed some light on the murder of diane holik. all they had were stories about a creepy guy looking at houses for sale. was patrick anthony russo that guy? maybe, maybe not. dawn was hours away when they knocked at his door. the man who woke up to answer it looked like the composite sketch. coming up. patrick russo seemed an unlikely killer. >> i ve got my ged. i went to college. i studied for theology to become a minister. >> but an odd coincidence. he was in diane s area the day she was kills. >> you remember ever talking to her? 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>> my job is to make sure that the music for the praise team or any kind of music that s being done for church services is handled, whether i play it or have someone play it. >> and in his spare time? he fronted a christian rock band. >> what s the name of your band? >> it s broken silence. >> broken silence. that s a good name. >> again, said tony russo. he was more than willing to cooperate with the investigation. >> i will be happy to do of what you guys need. so i don t have any problem with it at all. >> so they asked him, where was he when diane was murdered. did he have an alibi? >> thursday? um, that was that big storm day, wasn t it? thursday, i spent some time at the church again. i went to go to knle here in austin. >> knle is a christian radio station. tony said they were helping him create a website for his christian rock band. >> okay. about what time was that? >> uh, i think it was about. let see, i talked to my wife. i was pulling into the parking lot so that would have been about 4:00, i believe. when no one came to the door i went ahead and left. >> so you made the trip up there for nothing basically? >> pretty much. >> then of course he got caught in that awful storm. >> i got lost for probably a good hour or so. i got on the phone with my wife. she stayed on the phone with me. it started getting later. that s when the heavy winds started coming and the tornadoes, i guess. >> so what time did you get home finally? >> um, my wife s better at the timing on this than i am. 5:30, i guess or 6:00? i m not really sure exactly the time frame. >> thing was, diane s house where she was killed was not far from the radio station. >> you remember ever talking to her? no, sir. >> tony was adamant he d never seen diane. >> you never talked to her? >> no. >> interesting. then detectives asked, had he been doing some house hunting? >> is there any reason why you d be in a neighborhood looking for a house? >> no. >> none whatsoever? >> uh-huh. >> of course they knew a thing or two about that. so the detectives leaned on him a little. >> do you want me to tell you how serious this is? >> i would appreciate it. i feel like i m getting pretty banged here and i don t even know what it s for. >> she s dead. i don t know if you noticed when you walked in here, this is the homicide unit. >> i ve done a lot things wrong in my life. i m telling you that as badly as i feel for this woman here, i m sorry, but you guys are barking up the wrong tree. >> go ahead, he said. search my house. my car. he even offered to take a polygraph. >> i don t care how hard you dig, you re not going to find me committing any crime like that. any crime, period. >> tony s wife janet was very helpful too. and her story about that day was just about the same as his. >> yeah, i was telling him where the tornadoes were. he doesn t know his way around austin all that well. next thing he knew he d circled back around going west because he was -- he said well there s candle again. >> candle is the nickname for knle the christian radio station. when the interviews ended tony asked to see janet. >> i promise you i never did anything to anybody. i promise. and all i think about is how this affects you and our church and everything we worked so hard for. >> i know. >> tony and janet russo had answered all their questions. had been cooperative. and tony even gave them a swab of his dna and his fingerprints. so the police thanked him and took them home. >> coming up. the interview part two. this one a little tougher. >> is there any reason why somebody might have seen your van over there? 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(announcer) dexcom g7 helps protect against highs and lows. call now! hi, i m jason. i ve lost 228 pounds on golo. ♪ i don t ever want to go back to wearing a 4xl shirt or not being able to climb up stairs without taking a break. so i m committed to golo for life. after police interviewed tony russo and his wife, they brought him back in. the day e.after police interviewed tony russo and his wife they brought him back in. again he was cooperative. said he was surprised to be a suspect in of all things a murder. >> two years i ve done everything i can to make the best life for my family and myself. being caught up in this whole thing is such a mind boggler that i feel like i m in a nightmare state right now. >> bits of information and the women s stories about a creepy man who looked a lot like him were stacking up. detectives asked him about the upscale neighborhoods where several women had reported seeing him. often driving his minivan. >> is there any reason why somebody might have seen your minivan over there? >> surely i don t have the only pewter ford minivan in this town. >> that has that license plate on it. >> that s true. that is true. >> by the time the detectives interviewed tony they d checked for priors and guess what. that conviction the one he was on parole for was for kidnapping with a very particular twist. >> he had gone into an office where a woman was alone and tied her up with zip ties and choked her. did not kill her but choked her. >> disturbingly familiar given what happened to diane holik. back then a decade before diane s murder tony confessed to kidnapping and was sentenced to 20 years in prison. it was there he met and married janet and soon after was paroled after serving only one- third of his sentence. but the kidnapping charge wasn t all they found at tony s record. even earlier, years earlier, there it was her. >> it had actually been a quiet day. >> donna shank encountered tony when she was an apartment manager. all alone late one afternoon in her building rental office when a man walked in. >> he wanted to look at a two bedroom apartment for his self and his girlfriend, he says. >> donna showed him an available apartment. >> we re walking down the hallway. we get back to what would be the master bedroom so i open the closet door and went into the closet to turn the light on and in a split second he had me by the throat. >> she struck out at him. tried scratching and slapping him in an effort to get away. he took her down. >> before i knew it i was on the floor. i was on the floor face up and he was straddling me with both of his hands around my throat just squeezing. >> tight. >> very tight. i wasn t able to speak. i wasn t able to breathe. i was thrashing and. >> grabbing at him and things. >> bucking, you know, everything i could do. until he grabbed my hands and panned them i guess under his knees. i couldn t move my hands. it just, you know, dawned on me okay well this is it. >> is this absolute terror? >> it is absolute terror to where your life flashes before your eyes and. >> you think i m going to die. >> and this is it. >> then she thought no, this would not be it and she thrashed about until she was able to free her hands. >> and i put my hands on his forearms trying to pull him away. i had sort of a high neck sweater on and he kept pulling my sweater down to look at my neck and his eyes are very different, very scary. it was completely different. it was like flipping a switch. it was a very scary crazed look. >> then donna in a panic said all she could think of saying. >> i ve been gone too long, they know what apartment i m in, they will come looking for me and he would say you re lying don t lie to me you better not be lying to me and would call me profanities and would strike me. >> he s still holding on to you, your throat. >> yes. >> but he seemed to realize yes, there was a possibility somebody would be coming to look for her and as quickly as he had become a monster. >> his expression changed again and his eyes went softer. then he completely took his hands off of me and just went like this and just covered his face and then sat back up and he said i can t believe i did this. are you okay? >> like he s a different person now. >> yes. to the point that he was apologizing profusely for doing it, asked me if i was hurt. asked me if i was okay. helped me up off of the the floor. helped me collect my necklace that was torn off and thrown about. >> he begged donna not to call the police, but she did. and he confessed. he was convicted of misdemeanor assault. and was put on probation. but as the years went by, he had attacked five other women in similar ways. including his kidnapping victim. now he s being questioned about a murder involving zip ties and choking and was denying he knew anything about it. saying the similarities with earlier incidents were merely coincidence. >> it s disgusting to sit here and listen to you talk about being such a devout christian and forgiveness and how much you ve turned your life around when this one coincidence after another this whole thing goes back to similarities that i m sure coincidental back in 1989, 1990, 91, 92. but you re this reborn christian? and you re going to sit here and lie about it? >> but the truth was at that point police could only prove patterns of behavior. patterns tony insisted he broke when he became a born-again christian. but really? so the detectives set up a little trap and asked him if his fingerprints could possibly be found on a real estate flier. >> have you ever handled aureoles flier for a house for sale in west austin. >> no. >> then your fingerprints shouldn t be on there. >> correct. >> but even as tony insisted otherwise they already had received the test results from the real estate flier saved by that woman. >> thank you lord tony russo s fingerprints were positively on that flier. >> what happens in the old gut when that? >> we knew it was him. we just weren t able to put him anywhere and now we had him. >> true, they had him recently in the home of a woman who d been terrified by his behavior. but they didn t have him in diane holik s house. to get that evidence they needed time and they worried would he run? then the prosecutor had a canny idea. when tony russo said he didn t touch the real estate flier, that was a lie. and lying to the police was a parole violation. >> so the da s office came up with this charge that allowed us the time we needed to send off all the dna and physical evidence to see if it we could actually put him at her house. >> bring your right hand back. >> so into jail went tony russo. coming up. >> there were five guys standing like a theater setting. >> show time. with a script. as his victims come face to face with tony russo. >> repeat the following phrase. do you have any information about the floor plan of the house? >> do you have any information about the familiar plan of the house? >> i did not expect him to be right in front of me. so that was extremely frightening. >> when dateline continues. >> i m out of breath, and often out of the picture. but this is my story. 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>> we had so many women that had let him into their homes in different neighborhoods all over austin, south austin, north austin, even real estate agents that he had called when he wanted to look at vacant houses. >> but could any of those women actually identify tony russo as their guy? >> we felt like we needed to do a live lineup because the phrasing and his ruse that he used was so specific and the women remembered his voice and they remembered his story. >> so they rounded up some austin police officers who looked like tony and put him and them in a lineup. and brought the women in. >> and there were five guys standing like on a theater setting. >> number one, take one step forward. >> couple of feet above me and we re down below. >> number two, repeat the following phrase. you have a beautiful house. >> you have a beautiful house. >> we had a script that each person had to step forward and exactly repeat what the detective was telling them to say. >> i m going to pay cash for a house. >> i m going to pay cash for a house. >> it was everything that was said to each one of these women when he went into their homes. >> i came to this house before, didn t i? >> i came to this house before, didn t i? >> repeat the following phrase. do you have any information about the floor plan of the house? >> do you have any information about the floor plan of the house? >> he was number one right in front of me. i did not expect him to be right in front of me. so that it was extremely frightening. >> i picked him out of a lineup immediately. i was feeling a lot of guilt. i don t know why. you just feel what could i have done? somebody s dead and this man was with me. >> how many of those witnesses picked out the right guy? >> i believe it was 15 women. >> out of the total of how many? >> i think it was 30. >> eyewitness testimony is notoriously not great and often doesn t carry much weight in a trial so you needed something more. >> yes. >> what they needed was something definitive to put tony russo in diane holik s house. they d sent off dna samples from diane s finger where her ring had been yanked off and from that towel on her couch. finally the results. >> what did the dna tell you? >> the swab on her hand was a mixture that was consistent with a combination of diane holik and russo. >> was it enough to say for sure though because dna. >> no. no, no, no. we can t exclude him. it s consistent with him. but it s not the kind of dna that you can eliminate the rest of the world. >> right. just really increased suspicion is all. >> it was helpful. it was dez positive. we sent the hair off to a lab and they did a may toe conacre dry corral dna test. we could not exclude mr. russo. >> but you couldn t say for sure. >> no. >> so close. just not quite the absolute proof they d been hoping for. but the dna did provide one very helpful service. police had confirmed the alibis of diane s fiance dennis and her ibm friend ray. these tests definitively eliminated them as suspects. >> but we could not eliminate mr. russo. >> finally six months after diane s death, tony russo was charged with murder. the risk? maybe. they d only get one shot. and the evidence they were going to take to court did not absolutely link him to the murder of diane holik. then the trial was almost upon us. they found something. something almost beyond belief. >> in my wildest dreams i never imagined that a website like this could even exist. >> coming up. the dark side to the web. and tony russo. >> you certainly had your motive. >> yes, we did. >> when dateline continues. ths what hd to me. 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not so easy. >> it was the most complex murder case definitely the most complex murder case i ve ever tried. >> that s because without hard evidence linking tony to the murder or even putting him in diane s house she d have to assemble all the jagged puzzle pieces of coincidence into a coherent pattern. >> when you re getting ready for trial you put it together almost like a play. what are you going to tell them first so you script it out. >> there were the zip ties on his property that seemed to match marks on diane s wrists. his cell phone pinged near her house. the radio station alibi was a lie. the dna, though it wasn t absolutely definitive, could not eliminate him. and all those women that identify him as that creepy guy claiming he wanted to buy a house with cash. cash which he certainly did not have. but then. >> he really wasn t looking for houses he was looking for victims. >> like realtor melody blount who cried and prayed after her encounter she found it so terrifying to testify. but did. >> i did not expect for patrick anthony russo to be sitting across from me within 10 to 12 feet and having to testify with that man looking at me, it was petri fying. >> and most unsettling when she noticed something all too familiar. >> now i m glaring at russo and what does he do? he starts that tick in his neck. starts that popping and i raised my hand up and i said there he goes. he s doing it right now. >> the state also called tony russo s victims from earlier years. including donna the young apartment manager he attacked in lake jackson, texas. >> this phone call just out of the blue after all of that time. >> she was not only surprised, she was angry. very angry. >> why did that have to a. why did someone have to be killed before this man was stopped? >> and the emotions of that whole ugly ordeal flooded right back. >> my heart started racing. it was just being terrified all over again. >> but some of the compelling evidence came courtesy of tony s first wife. as he d been married once before. >> the first wife said he could not get aroused sexually unless he was choking her and that he choked her when they had sex. >> and the second wife? >> the second wife confirmed he also choked her while they had sex. >> i mean i will say that he does tend to put his hand on my neck. any time i feel like my airway s getting restricted, you know, and he s, he always lets go. >> so a strange and potentially dangerous fetish but was that all it was? isn t it possible though that he really didn t want to kill diane holik? >> that s just my belief that he did. that just choking and not killing it was no longer enough. it wasn t enough any more. >> and why was she so sure? because of what turned up during a forensic analysis of tony russo s computer. the i.t. people landed on it just as the trial was about to begin. disturbing is perhaps too bland a word to describe what was in there. >> he was a member of a website one that you had to pay money to see. it s described as tastefully erotic death scenes and mr. russo had chosen the subcategory of asphyxiation. >> omg. >> uh-huh. >> in my wildest dreams i never imagined a website like this could even exist or that anybody would want to look at it. >> you certainly had your motive. >> yes, we did. it s called sexual sadism. >> he felt a compulsion to go and choke people. >> yes. he was sexually aroused by women being choked. >> oh boy. that gets into pretty dark territory. >> yes. >> they nailed him big time. >> diane s friend anita was in the courtroom as the state rested and she waited to hear tony s defense. >> we were all thinking okay, well, here we go. we re really going to hear a whole bunch of stuff. the room was packed solid with people. so his attorney just stood up and said defense rests. there was like a huge gasp in the room and then totally silent. >> diane s friend lynn arrived just in time to hear the closing argument. >> he stood quiet for a minute and walked over to the jury and he looked them all in the face. he said i need you to understand what happened to her that night. he put his hands up in the air like this and he put his thumbs down and he shook his hands like this as do though he was choking someone. >> he said, imagine. it took her two and a half, maybe even three minutes for her to die. >> as he s holding on to her. >> yeah. stood there and he looked at his watch and just waited. and for at least two and a half minutes nothing moved in that courtroom. >> and it was silent and he held that position with shaking hands until enough time had passed that a person would have died from being choked. >> and all of a sudden slams his hand down on the table. i mean, that s how long it took for her to die. and the whole courtroom just, i mean we all broke down at that point. to think that s how long it took for her to die. how long she suffered. >> the defense, which did not call a single witness made the case in its closing argument for all the drama the state, they said, failed to prove, because it couldn t prove, that tony russo was ever in diane holik s home. couldn t prove he killed her. tony did not testify. but he did talk to us. coming up. the verdict. >> when the jury walked back in to the jury box i can t even look at them. >> when dateline continues. lin the virus that causes shingles is sleeping... in 99% of people over 50. it s lying dormant, waiting... and could reactivate. shingles strikes as a painful, blistering rash that can last for weeks. and it could wake at any time. think you re not at risk for shingles? 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his hair has gone silver now. he s in prison for life. and here one friday morning he brought his bible to the barrier that separates his world from ours. his holy staff of assurance that what he was about to tell us about his role in the murder of diane holik would be god s truth. >> that jury comes back and says guilty, what s that like? >> devastating. when you re innocent, it s devastating. >> innocent? yes. and so i hear from the warden that you got your bachelors in divinity. >> yes, sir. if i had to spend the rest of my life in here i want to use it for christ. >> throughout our talk he wore his christianity like a badge and like an accusation. >> i noticed that in the media they love to sensationalize any christians or people that claim to be christians that somehow they just they ve got it, there s some hidden secrets in their life. >> but your victims were christians too. >> saying you re a christian and being a christian are two different things. >> in other words you have to be totally honest? >> i don t think you have to be totally honest but i think there s things in your life that you ll exhibit whether christ is in your life or not. >> the evidence against him? he had answers for everything. like why he lied to the police when he said he wasn t looking at houses when in fact he was. >> i did deny in the interview because i felt like i was going to incriminate myself in the original interrogation. i did, however, share with my attorneys what had been going on. >> which was, he said, perfectly innocent research. >> looking at the different designs and things. for a long time we had talked about building a house, one of my friends from church had lived in a mobile home while he built a house on the back of his property. >> so we wondered, why did he behave in a way that terrified all those women who testified in court against him? >> you got to admit that was a pretty creepy thing to do. >> i don t know how creepy it is to look at houses or designs of houses. >> to tell people a whole shaggy dog tale about why you re there, to follow them around the house, to make them nervous. >> i preferred not to follow anybody through a house. they re the ones that want to show you the house so they tend to lead you. >> the rental agent he attacked and half strangled back in 1989. >> what do you have to say to a woman like her? >> okay, i don t remember her at all. i don t. >> and yet he actually confessed to attacking that woman back in 1989. and what about the witness so frightened by his visit to her house that she and her husband saved his license plate number? they kept the license number. >> they kept about four license plate numbers of people that looked at their house or wanted to look at their house without a realtor. >> not true, said darla davis. his license number was the only one they saved. i also asked him about his decision to take the pinstriping off his van, just then. he said that wasn t because police were looking for it but because it had been vandalizes. >> i was going to redo the pinstriping since i had originally put it on there. >> the zip ties police found wrapped around fencing on his property? they belonged to a friend, he said. and the statement by his wife janet that he would sometimes choke her during sex. >> i mean i will say that he does tend to put his hand on my neck. >> i never choked anybody. >> you choked your wife. >> no, i did not. >> she said you did. >> no, she didn t. >> she said you choked her as part of a sex act. that s how you had sex. >> that s not true. that s a manipulation of what she said. i m just telling you that s what she said. >> we reminded tony he d been married twice and in marriage number one same issue. but your ex-wife says you choked her. >> okay. >> and that s how you got sexual arousal. the only way you d get sexual arousal. >> i m not going to go into detail to embarrass her so i d rather not say anything about her. >> you know that s a tactic, don t you? i ve seen this done a thousand times. >> you can call it a tactic. >> if you ve got something to say about the woman, say it but don t do that where i m not going to say a bad thing about her because it would be mean to her. that s bs and you know it. >> well, under the world standards yeah that would be bs. but as a christian it s not. >> we asked about that pornographic website reporting to show the killing of asphyxiation of women. the one he had to register and pay for before he could access it. >> i cannot help that porn sites pop up on a computer. >> they don t pop up unless you look at some porn site. so there s an explanation for everything. >> there s a truth to everything. >> oh, yes, tony russo had an answer for everything. >> i am absolutely innocent and it disgusts me that every time you try to say you re innocent everybody says isn t that what everybody says? >> have you confessed the ultimate sin to god? >> what s the ultimate sin you re talking about? >> murder. >> if i had murdered someone i definitely would have. >> be you you say with your hands on your bible. >> i will die claiming my innocence and people can believe it or not believe it. i absolutely am innocent and i don t care how guilty i look. >> he couldn t convince any courts of that though. all his appeals failed. here he will stay. outside this institution, several women still struggle with the anxieties and fears and prisons of their own created by him. >> come back any time i get a call from a man that wants to see a house who is single. every time. i could have been a victim. i was an intended victim. that s a hard thing to think about. >> and they told us, the trauma lives on. though. >> it s comforting to know he s in there. that he can t hurt anybody else. >> they are sorority sisters of a sort who unwilling to live their lives as silent victims came together to help get tony russo off the street for good. >> we did our job and we got him convicted. >> so they did. this sisterhood. for the sake of a woman whose fate might have been theirs. diane holik. whose friends came together to remember how they miss her. even after all these years. >> she was a constant friend. she was in my life every day and all of a sudden she was gone in an instant like blowing a candle out. >> you see the smile on all these photographs. was she always smiling? >> always. always. >> she had a magic smile. it was infectious. if she was smiling everybody else had to. we had to. i m andrea canning, and this is dateline. andrea canning: it was one of the most harrowing days in our history. i hear
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t separate you from sep the ideas. they can t separate you from gre maga. they can t separate you from makeat america great again.noug, >> god, we miss them. and sure enough, trump is crushing fundraising goals, raking in nearly $300 million in may from over 2 million liber donations. >> and there are even signs of life in liberalal l lala lan. silicon valley investor david saks hosted a fundraiser r here last night in san francisco. ani and gavinlos newsom s home. that s progress. and that s.joinin the angle.ntur >> joining me now is david sacks, kraft ventures co-founder, co-hoser co-t of the all in podcast. david, now prett it s pretty in-your-face to host trump in one of the bluest cities in the united states. and this was scene outside of the fundraiser, only a smattering of anti-trump protestersg ofi-trump. so what was the turnout like inside? azing, >> the turnout was amazing, laura. you know, we. originally triedd up to raise $5 million for president trump and we ended up raising 12 million. e hae a hundred. lik people there. every seat was taken. we literally couldn t fit one more person in the house completely sold out. and by the way, those protesters who were outsid.eoplw those were actually pro-trump demonstrators. there were hundreds of peoplhode who turned out along the motorcade for trump to basicallallyy wave signs in favr of him. the number of people who actually wer oe protesting against trump there was maybe, you know, a couple of dozends o versus hundreds of people who are pro-trump. so even out on the streets was a tremendous enthusiasm gap. and if that s what s happening in liberaltrasm gap. san franci, what does that tell you about what s happening throughout the country? >> now, what is silicorossn valw and a couple of these guys i know we re from silicon valley. what do they hope for e for their support? honestly, it s not that transactional or, there is, it s not like there sj some sort of overt quid pro quo. most of these people just reallyreally they wa love amerit they want to see america doing better. now, in termryuts of whatden ad the industry cares about, the industry wants to be able to innovate and bidenit s b administration has been very hostile towards innovation that s beeeeextremelhostiln exte towards the crypto industry. it s already trying to overregulate ai. it s basically put the kibosh on any m&a. and so i do think that thee industry would like to haveashig more pro-innovation policies coming out of washingtontothis e and that does lead to support for president trump. but again, it s not anything transactional. it reallgy is about having a better administration in washington. now, what message does i what happened last night? i know he was alsow he in l.a.,- a west coast swing. but what is message is thisvy have is it sending to other heavy hitters and you and i know them who are maybe nikki haley fans or otheley fansr thet really uncomfortable with trump. does this brinm moreg them overi make them more likely to support him? i thins tk so.wh i think this is going to melt the ice. i mean, look, i know there s alreadpporterse out therehe who are already trump supporters and they re just afraid to stick their their neck s out. i mean, that s the reality of the situation because they re afraid of getting are afraid of cancel culture. they re afraid of of punishment . and they re afraid becauseid the biden administrationf puni l political prosecutions and political investigations. sove t people have reasons to bu nervous about expressing their support for trump. but with each incremental person who sticks their neck re it, makesink,akes the rest of them feel more comfortable doing it. and you re seein a g think a cascade starting to happen now where more and more people are goingoing tog come out for . >> and to that point, david, i ve been urging them not ral to just fundraise in california, but to do a rall iy in california. t i would think the central out valleyside would get a little outside, you know, san francisco or imperialalley. valley, get into an area wherek are more working class people. >> i think people need heartradt this message beyond justioink ev the traditionaenl states and i think even if it you know, even if you can t win california cal yet, i think it helps the entire party apparatus to see himthere. ther. >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, trump has immense supporgt, blue collar workers, middle class workers throughout californiathroughoe whol. he does throughout the whole country. and there is absolutely a receptive audience for trump.a trump we saw that even in san francisco. again, the enthusiasm for trump wa. itves it was really a loved fest. we were sold outth and the protesters couldn t really amount to anything, though the liberal publications had been sort of egging themg to come out all week o and nothing materialized. so there s a tremendoufs amount of enthusiasm for trump in california. >> well, what are they cheerin g at this point? more decline in san francisco. i mean, it makes no sensy eks that he s your only hope at this point. david. great to see you tonight f. m in >> thanks for coming on. take trump off the ballot. put him in jail now. just forget actual reporting. >> we need slanted coverage.nc should more slanted coverageh.. and i think we got to recognizet the threat that this guy in the maga, not just him, the entire maga movement from oneto and trump on down is a serious it s a clear seriousconsti and present danger to the existence of the constitutioed n. >> our state. and i mean democrats don t even believe in the constitution. trythe nejames nice try, thoug. and the new york congressional candidate is insisting on mega deprogramming project. >> even if we were to have liresounding blue wave come through, as many of us would like putting it all back together again after we ve gone this maga nightmare and basically would you that sounds like a rather a reeducation camp. ri think we really want to call it that. i m sure we can find another wa y to phrase it. >> this is why these have people love china. we already have reeducation camps are called the public schools. joining mejoining vivek now, vivek ramaswamy, former gop presidential candidate vivekviv that really does say it all slanted and reeducation camps. that s it. l >> this is orwellian. but the best part of this, laura, is theythey don guessin . guessing, i guess they gave as to what they re actually doing. contromedianl media, control. te every other institution, reeducate the masses . and then she catches her mistake and says that that s not exactly what we want to call ieian movet, whiche orwellian move at the end of this. but the good news is the american people are seeingg thr, through this, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shamamericane me.stemat >>ic americans understand that they have been lied to systematicall then y on the e of the last election, from everything about the origin of covid 19. during that to the one hunter biden laptop story suppressedg the eve of the 2020 election, people are seeing through the lies they ve been toldth . i don t think those tricks are going to quite work the same way this time arouns g which is good news for us. >> and i mentioned the attempt to make biden reaganesque in normandy, whichn as someone who worked in the reagan administration, i just scream laughingi sc laughin when i heae but biden spent the dayspent grovelinthg to zelenskyy and basically throwing americans who are hesitantin about spending another hundred billion dollars. they re under the bus. this i. ttch. i apologize for the first weeks of not knowing what s going as a funding. and because we had trouble getting the bill that we had to pas ms, had the money in itve from some of our very conservative members m wer who holding up the fake. >> he acts likmoe monee our mont and the money they print and borrow belongs to.owin >> zelenskyy that s right. i mean, he s bowing to aif h new kind of idol, and if he wants to imitate reagan, look, peace through strength, different from peace through frailty and weakness, which is what biden s actually exhibitinfrailtied wetr the reality is that we have been forking over more moneye moneaine t to ukrait actually have, even accounting for how it s been spent in the s first place. so i think the apology, with all due respect, laura, need s to be running in the other direction, to say that we apologize for not being able to teloul you how your first hundred billion dollars was spent. and instead we have the us presidentsis is th on, his k. this is the problem with the american culture. boder the leadership of bide and the democrats is that we re taught to apologize for who we are. bothn th at home and on the glo stage to flog ourselves forothe actually helpingies we other countries. we re helping enough of that. we are done with this cultur oev of apologies, and i think weiv need to revive that sense of americafn exceptionalism that the actual ronald reagan stood for and that i think donald trump stands for unapologetically today. and you know t a lot what, a lot of people are hungry for it. we re done apologizing for our identity , for engagings sl in this self-loathing. i think that phase and that clou pashed slowly passing acros the country. >> laura and americans are hungr actually hungry for being proud of who we are again. that camp.be in well, i think that when you listen really carefully to biden and unfortunately, we all had to listen to him ov is sure soundsrussia like they re getting ready for war with russi sounda. t it sounds like it s the, you know, rallying everyone not to defenainet tod, but to go onn offensive push inside russia to defeat putin. and regimi guess, do regime che and if that s what they re planning, they better tell the voters now before election day. but it certainly sounds like this is wherwh headed.e they re. >> well, victoria nuland may not be in the building anymore,d but that s still the same spirit that pervades the current state departmentthit and beyond. and this is part of the reason, laura, why you have never heard articulate articuthisd what exactly is a goal of this war in the first place. there as not been a war goaln a that s been articulated in part becas the whoe stri are pulling the strings to count for regime change as the ultimate goalngs accore that they re playing for. you ve got to be careful what you wish for if you re actually going to root for regime change in russia, you think what succeeds putin is going to be betteime.ter thae what you have right now. we ve played this game before. it does not en well.d. this road does not end in aa res place that advances american interestson. g and i think a reasonable deal to bring this to resolution is the w right way to go. and sadly, when i said that a year ago, people thought th controversial. unfortunately, the facts have vindicated that view. in the meantime me.e, we have no clear answer of 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significantly more people in may than numbe economists had expected. >> these are incredible numbers. rs problem , yoone problem here, ys the skirt a bit on the reportth and you see some disturbing trends. the job growth, the 272,000ther that the new york times and others are crowing about today comes with a higher unemployment rate. it went up t to 4%, fewer full time workers and more holdingp i multiple jobs because they just have to. now, let sg digging deeper. the number of foreign born workers, illegals jumped 414,000 while native borne bo workers dropped 663,000. >> on cue, though, politicoo tried help the biden team deflect that story. someone named amarme moosa frome the biden reelection squad called the foreign versus native born jobs comparison racist nativist attacks. now, how weak is that? a tight labor market, one that s not saturated by illegals is actually the best thing for minorities and others, because thens be was are not suppressed. and this graph captures how americans are literally being replaced in the job. but look, why is anyone surprised the biden regime doesn why ist in americans firs, they ve proven that becaus fe all citizens of the world and they will always and i mean salways immigrants, legal or, ea illegal, first. >> joining me now, sean duffy, co-hosyt, the bottom line on fox business, and ben domenech, editor at large of the spectator. both are fox news contributors. now, sean, i. they keep going back and take another bite at thtake anoeo su biden-nomics apple thinking that it will translate intok? support, i guess, among independent voters. is thi have s going to work soos they have to be shocked that the american voter still is concerned about economyere so as the number one issue and inflation as the number one issue. if these numbers were so good.es but to your point, laura, these are these are part time jobs that are being created that are going to foreign born, legal or illegal workerkers. as. the american workers are losing jobs. and in the household surved thi. mentioned this as well, there s been a loss of 408,000 jobs.re so there are less jobs out there. workinbut more people working two jobs, which is why. and in virgini,a, the race is tied at 48 to 48 betweenrump donald trump and, joe biden and why donald trump is winning or improving his numberscause th with hispanics, blackses and young young americans underj the age of 30, because these are the issues they care about. ans ane not getting the jobsob and they can t buy homes because of joe biden s stupid spending and hig h rates and inflation. >> and now ben biden s chiefy to economic adviser was on fox today touting the of this labor market. >> as we we have one of the most persistently strong labors markets this country has ever seen. not only i ls labor marketrg amntinually offering up large numbers of good jobs for working americans, we re alslso wages beat prices. >> ben wages are beating a prices. i don t know a singl sine who fs that way tonight. do you? me i can t. i can t believe. you want me to respondbern to someone as stupid as jared bernsteistruel to n? i thi you re cruel to me, lara. i m sorry, but loonke shouldk, the things that i think we should actually appreciate about this is thatthat some of the thing that we should understand is that a lot of this is happeningifk by. if you look back at may of last year to today, you have 2.8 million, 2.6 million, something somewhere in that range. created 1.1 million of thosetho jobs are in health services,u social services. you know, anotheknowr 400 pluse thousand to 600,000 of them are government jobs. so what does that mean? it means that they re directlyie ,indirectly funded by the taxpayer, essentially because, o joe biden doesn t know how to create a thriving economn doesnl in which people can get good jobs. good job your moneymaking to hire a bunch of people, making them both dependent on taxpayer funds and equivalently dependenton th. the democratic party, which is going to flow all of keep to, their jobs, keep them employed, etc.. and that s something that is happening by design. they want to dramatically increase the number of peoplasee who are dependent on taxpayer funding for their jobs . >> and that s not and that s not by accident. that is intentional. rchan this is all been intentional. sean judge merchan from trump fs new york hush money trial sentro a letter to both prosecution and the defense notifying them about a comment that leftfacebo on the new york state unified court systems facebook page app that is from the day before the trump verdict. and it said, my cousin is aonvi juror and says trump is gettince convicted. thank you, folks, for all your hard work. now, sean, we have noten confirmed right who left that commenant, but any thoughts? >> but this story continues to be this this the verdict. everything is strange with the former president. but, yeah, there s got to bent b investigation, not just probably by the judge, but also by the donald trump teamhe eam.. s some find out was this just some rando who didn t know anybody that posted on the sitoe ? was this actually a cousin of a juror? juror.t, if any,t information flowed to that juror and what impact does this have on their verdics thatt. sn that only time will tell. but again, strange, stranggeeh e case. as can i make one last point? i disagree with ben on the last questionquestion t. by design, they think they can be the old soviet union. soen they want government jobs, government led economies, but they thinktheys goin that sg to work and drive the private sector. we know wherever i that tried, it s called socialism or communism. it always fails. so aeconom they re trying to juo economy not by free enterprise, it a state run economies.bu and it never works. so i personally agret noe with , ben, but not fully. >> well, we ll see if they trye to play around with the interest rates. is the last gasp her ande right. sean and ben, thank you. all 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on these tuesdays on fox and watch anytime on hulu when you can t watch. listen. get the latest news and news headlines on sirius xm anytime anywhere. fox news radio on sirius xm america is listening. news is hunter biden about to take the stand in his trial? davifox news justice correspondent david span is here with all the details. >> david. laura, abbe lowell hunter, o makebiden s attorney, has a ba decision to make whether or not to put the president s son one g the stand. he said today in court that he was done presenting witnesses. wid the judge the only witness that he would present potentially would be hunte mr biden. on monday, he said he ll make his decision this weekend. n emotmeanwhile, an emotionally charged day in court with the eldesttaking t daughter of huntr biden taking the stand. her name is naomshe is ai biden. she s an attorney as well. she took the stand in defense of heru ser father. you see her leaving with the black blazer and the sunglassesh on. as i said, she s hunter s oldest daughter. diedr his sistero who died as an infant in thatg car crash in delaware in 1972, along with hunter s mother, neilia. now, naomi hunter s daughter painted a picture of a clear minded, hopeful hunter biden when she saw him in late summer 2018. laura, this was weeks before he allegedly b on a federal gunnaomi form in october 2018. naomn wai she was uncomfortableo on the stand. she answered in a soft voice. shus.e said was nervous and she said she was well aware her dad was addicted to drug, s, said, quote, things got bad after my uncle died, end quote. tecalledshe recalled talking abu biden, the late beau biden. dad k ealls trying to se her dad in new york in october 2018, but did see him laterll that month and said that he seemed good. now, the first lady,was the to r was there today. she was there monday, tuesday, wednesdangy on yesterday. she was attending d-day eventsyk in france only to fly back to wilmington to sit in court today. she s turning back around to go back to france for a state dinner with he r husband and thelmingt french president and his wife tomorrow. then she s cominonnday.g to wiln on sunday. quite a schedule there. now, abbw, abbe foce focused hr on this gun form. that s hunte gun form that huntr biden filled out. you see his name. he argued that different itemsts were put on the formt or at different times, including hunter s signature was notigin originally on there. hunter had to sign it later. bottom line, hunter biden testifies we could see a day, but he s really openingcs himself up with cross-examination. if he does nots-ation. testify, will likely move right into closing arguments. jury instructionjurytructions, y could get this case and render a verdict by monday afternoo atn at the earliest. >> laura. wow. david, thank you so much. all right. they deny it, but democrats really d s reallyo despise lawor enforcement. and this next segment is oneesd more confirmation of that. thousands gathered on wednesday to mourn the loss of connecticut state trooper kiron pelletiekentuckyr, who wad in a hit and run duringll a traffic stop just last weea t to honor his memory, a town council member in,blue lin wethersfield, connecticut, suggested flying the thin blue line flag., but democrat members refused, citing concerns of racism.dia, w >>ik i quickly went on to the wikipedia. wikipedia s indicating the thin blue line symbol to be used by thelives ma lives matter movt since 2014. it says here it s become emblematic of white nationalist, neo-nazi and all right movementd neo-hites in.atd the united states, particularly just displayed by attendee tsf h of the unite the right rally in 2017 and the january 6 storming of the capitol. e well, what they did instead watowns order flags outside town hall to be flown at half mast. thnow the american flag and thew pride flag. >> joining me now is briana kimbrough, one of the republicans on the town counci ted inl voted in favorn blue of flying the thin blue line flag. councilwoman, aside from fac the fact that your colleague that on wikipedia for all of his historical knowledge, what does this tell connecticut voters, frankly, voters everywhere about what democrats reallysreally t of the police?e, >> well, i i honestly, it shows that more and more republicanssi are representing views of the majority. and sometimes takes situations like this to bring that out. i flabbergasted, you know, not sitting on the council. we did notate it it to go in ths direction at all. and honestly, what was cited was extreme, in my opinion. so it was very unfortunate, especially in a time when the entireas state was mourning the loss of trooper first class aaron pelletier. well, i grew up in glastonbury. my aunt in wethersfield, so. i know the area very well. and connecticut t iss always kid of a quirky political state, >>t it was always very pro police, first responders, you know , honorings their service. and this democrat party has gotten s o bollixed up and floyd riots all that so that they wikipedia says, wow, that s long since, what, 2017 is honoring the fallen officers ,those who are injured.e and that s a threat. but the pride flag gets to befl flowow n half mast. i mean, i m sure a lot of people don t want that flown at half mast, right? >> no, absolutely. and i think that know not only the wikipedia reference, but the comments were doubled down in news interviews and ate the pride ceremony saying that it was out of respect, that it was at half mast forl the fallen officer. >> so, againy , i will say, though, that the outpouring from wethersfield and from the statsee has been largely in favor of the thin blue line flag. i did want to make a note of that because that has been incredibly encouraging to see. >> and what i say, brianna, is that connecticut needs to vote to save itself, save its manufacturing, save its economy, save its safety. and one of the council members, mickey derek ,ba said unfortunately, our town has far too many people with bad intentions. >>of tsome of them are willing e the death of a state trooper just to gain some politicaine p. points apparently at attacking you. >> yha doingt what you re doinge or you re trying to make political pointsn,? ain, all yeah, i mean, absolutely not. again, all republican, all tn a the councilors who brought this have law enforcement familiemy my father in law served for over 30 years. thethe other two councilors, their father served for over 30 years. and the honest was to justth honor and respect the fallen officer in the way that we felt fit best for the situation. t wawe asked for one daynythin in addition to what was already being flown, not take anything down that postpone any ceremony. just in addition. eve so i honor the fact that that even said is is very disturbing. they re saying it s a processing issueed 30 dayso pr. we need 30 days to process a request that just i mean, come doesn on. that doesn t even pass the straight face test. but that s what 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i go i left? do i go right? you you know, when john kerry is staring at yoh just au with t a look of shock, something is very wron>>g. rry. although mayer looked like he was melting out there, top gear. i >> well, i could see the melting pot on page. biden also held a press avail with ukrainian president zelensky wity, and his note cards took center stage. >> yeah, you know, as iple said yesterday, creative people have been incredibly brave, never giving up, never say never, never even yielding. and, you know, you haven td bowed down. you haven t yieldeatd at all. you continue to fight in a way that is is this remarkable, just remarkable. and once we got to national security bill passed, that was political fruition. >> tony blinken, looks like he s going to crack in halnyf. - >> he looks terrible. it s like ready to jump in, right? he s like, o th, hubba, hubba, hubba. >> please don t talk any moment. cost tnuse the america taxpayers $225 million, which he announced today a in aidoney to ukraine. this is just unbelievable. money growrowsn s trees or the apprentice. >> now, one of the two cards. ge i am feeling very f generoueg to you tonight, so i am wishe granting you three wishes, aren t sweet. >> my first wish is that that those host. i didn t bring the lamp today. i figure you could. you could improvise. but lookmy firstish is my firstt those hosting the miss usath pageant would actually crown misses. the other day, the winner of the miss maryland pageant was a biological malt wae. a the u.s., laura baileys and kelly is now a miss contender. the trans beauty contestant is not eveiseven then the first biological male to compete. miss nevada crossed that barrier in 2021. why don t they jusll it call it the person usa pageant at this point? >> well, againi guess i guess s is what women want. this is this is women, though they came a long way to have their own space, their competitions. and i guess that s jusust --t t it s -- it s this is insane. well, all right. we 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class= nosel > div class= colspacer > div class= gutr > budget vendor hall campaign smart as a judging by got it. >> got it, boss. honor you got this erin burnett outfront week nights at seven odd cnn good morning. >> welcome to cnn this morning it is saturday, june 8, if the officially, we re now into see you in a newsroom. >> i m victor blackwell. >> i m amara walker. this is a special edition of cnn newsroom is smerconish is off this week and michael will be back next. so week. >> we start with breaking news this morning, there is rejoicing in the streets of israel today after the idf announced that four hostages who have been in captivity the october 7 attacks have been rescued earlier, the idf spokesman offered these details into their rescue this was a high risk complex mission based on precise intelligence conducted in daylight in two separate buildings. >> deep inside gaza while under fire under fire inside the buildings, under fire on the way hat on the way out from gaza, all forces rescued our hostages israeli forces have been preparing for this rescue mission for weeks. there on the went intensive training. they reached their lives to save the lives of all hostages one of those freed noaa are good money would last been seen a being kidnapped by hamas fighters on a motorcycle. now the idf says the four are in good medical condition. they ve been transferred to a medical center with us now, a cnn senior international correspondent been wiedemann and see you in an international diplomatic editor, nic robertson, bend, let s start with you and tell us what you ve learned about the military option operation that led to the rescue well, this operation was focused victory in the nuseirat camp which is in central gaza and what we ve seen was intense military action on the ground and in the air by israeli forces starting around mid-morning. >> now according to the hospital sources, at the al aqsa martyrs hospital, indebted better nearby, at least 107 bodies have been brought to that hospital. there are apparently hundreds of injuries as well. this is the third operation in which israel has been hey, able to rescue hostages in gaza, a total of seven hostages have been released since 7 october it s worth noting that back at the end of november last year, during a weeks-long ceasefire, they were able rather than negotiations and the ceasefire that resulted founded 105 people were released in that instant. now among those released in addition to no autauga mani, who has been in touch with the prime minister and president israel. there s edmodo meter, john 21 recently released from from the army, and two security guards, all of them were at that nova music festival. the other two are andre kosla of 27 it s a russian, is rarely national and shlomo xiv, 40 also a security guard there. obviously in israel, this is being met with much jubilation but the scenes from the hospitals in gaza are really quite disturbing. blood on the floor of hospitals that are full to capacity city. the morgues full as well. now we ve heard from semi obvious about zadie speaking to reuters. he s a spokesman for hamas, saying that the freeing of the hostages is a sign of failure not an achievement. that this is all they could be achieved after nine months of war. victor all right, and let s go to nick now. >> and the reaction from the hostage and missing families forum has been obviously jew blend. they re calling this a miraculous, triumphant. it comes as a key official and the israeli government has now posted poland and announcement where he was expected to announce that he was drawing from the war cabinet. >> first, what does this rescue mean in terms of getting to a ceasefire deal, nick and two, do you think will hear from benny gantz anytime soon yeah, it was benny gantz who was expected to speak this afternoon a couple of days ago, is expected to announce it who withdraw from the war cabinet, which had the sort of implicit threat that because he was before october 7, principle opposition to prime minister netanyahu, that this could bring down the war cabinet and therefore you know, just sort of trigger over the near period elections in israel. but i think over the past 48 hours prior to the hostage release, it had become clear that he was shifting away from that position, perhaps under pressure from from us officials not to pull out of that cabinet. at this time, whatever is motivation not clear, but it does seem that the release of these four hostages is going to strengthen prime minister netanyahu s hand because his message has always been, we put the hostages first. we continue to fight. we go into release them. the only way to do it is through military pressure. so this reinforces the prime minister s his hand. so what does that do the hostage negotiations. i think it just pushes them further down the road because that s what we ve seen happen before. and i think when you look at it from the palestinian perspective inside gaza has been as saying that the death toll in the area where this whether it appears this rescue mission took place is high and we saw that in january this year when, when a couple of other hostages were released and the idf later explain the dynamic of that overnight rescue, and that was that they got on the location pretty quickly got into the room, got into a firefight with the gods. and then of course, hamas was alerted. and the way that the idf dealt, dealt with that to be to be able to extract themselves in the hostages was the laid down a huge amount of fire in the area, and that result salted and again, then back then, dozens upon dozens of civilian casualties in the vicinity as the idf sort of fought its way out of the situation. so from a palestinian perspective, the consequences of a hostage recovery mission, rescue and recovery mission like this is again, going to push the dynamic of hostage negotiations away from the table because it is going to inflame passions. so i think the short answer is it makes it harder to achieve a ceasefire deal right now, at least, yeah, that s an interesting element. and just as you were are talking, nick, i got an alert in from our team it said that at least 107 people have been killed as a result of the israeli military operation in central gaza, i near where this operation took place. according to a spokesperson at the al-aqsa but martyrs hospital i wonder as the secretary of state, antony blinken is headed back to the region in the next few days trying to push for this ceasefire deal what work can he do if in israel? netanyahu is emboldened because four hostages are home and hamas is now reacting to the more than 100 deaths as a result of the operation that freed those hostages? >> i think the ground reality is this was always a very, very difficult environment, diplomatic environment for secretary state antony blinken to engage in, and it s had very little traction with this israeli government, with all the things has been talking about, whether it s additional humanitarian aid, whether it s the pressure to get hostage negotiation and ceasefire is going sooner and we ve also seen the secretary postpone or delay because of events in the region and although there s no indication that is going to delay right now this will make his job harder. but the underlying reasons that he wants access to to get the hostages freed to end the war, to end the suffering of the palestinians to improve the situation, to keep onside, united states regional partners like saudi arabia, who say that they are ready to support a ceasefire if it leads to a two-state solution, if there s a concrete path of a two-state solution, of course, the united states need these needs, these allies and partners in the region because they will be part of the fabric, then supports a reconstruction effort inside of, inside of gaza which is gonna be hugely needed and may take more than a decade or even decades to complete so it s very complex and part of what secretary of state antony blinken needs to do is just try to keep everyone as close to the table as possible. the last thing he needs as one of his partners in all of this to just throw up their hands and say, okay, a line has been crossed that doesn t that s not on the cards, but this is what is playing against and bed wiedemann, let s bring you back in and let s stay on. this conversation about what this means for a potential ceasefire deal. as you heard, secretary of state antony thinking it will be traveling back to the region and he ll be meeting with officials in israel on monday. uh, what are you expecting in terms of the palestinian reaction and how this will all all play out, as, as us secretary of state is in the region trying to get some kind of deal done well, there seems to be so much confusion at this point about where each side stands on a hostage deal on some sort of deal to release the hostages, get a ceasefire. >> i think the bra hard lines. they re talking to both sides seem to agree that a 42 day or six-week period in which the elderly women the sec the injured, should be released, but it s really the endgame that seems to be the problem president prime minister netanyahu is insisting in his ultimate goal is the destruction of hamas. hamas, however, wants to make sure that when the fighting finally comes to an end, that they will still be able to exist and operate. so we have a basic contradiction between the two sides. however, obviously, i think the united states is eager just to bring this war to an end. it has cost president biden politically among his base. it is sort of an open wound i ve covered basically every war between israel and its neighbors. and those controls in the occupied territories. now, for decades, but this is by far the longest war, the war that is generated more anger, bitterness and division, and certainly for the united states. now that we are in the ninth month of this war with a huge death toll and disruption on in every sense really the united states needs to push as hard as possible to finally bring this war to an end. victor, amara. >> then we d have been in beirut. nic robertson in london. thank you very much. ian bremmer is president of the eurasia group group. he is with us now. e and good morning to you so let s start here with what this rescue operation means for benjamin netanyahu first on the ceasefire deal, because there was some reporting that the israelis agreed to it. but then there were reports that netanyahu said there were gaps between what biden had proposed and what he will agree to what now for the ceasefire deal, the proposal that s on the table. >> look, obviously it s a huge win when you ve had seven months plus of these hostages being held and no one knowing how many of them were alive, nobody knowing what kind of health conditions therein not just the visuals of seeing these four freed by israel, but also being able to talk to them, being able to hear their experiences. i mean, this is just a catharsis for trauma that the israeli people have collectively been through. and of course, not just not yeah, i hope that the entire war cabinet benefits from that. >> but negotiating with hamas, a breakthrough on this when you have two governments, one terrorist organization and the israeli government that completely disagree on outcomes has been incredibly hard two square. >> i mean, every other country in the world is looking for a ceasefire. it s looking for an end to the fighting and it s looking for all of the hostages to be released. hamas doesn t support that unless they find a way to continue to survive. and the israelis, and not just the prime minister, but the entire israeli population, wants to see hamas destroyed. there s really no way to square that. and especially if you re the israeli prime minister looking at american elections coming up in just a few months, looking at the ability to address a joint session of congress in just a few weeks, even though biden s nine i m very interested in that. he thinks he ll do much better if biden is out. and i suspect that s true. and so right now, if you re the israeli prime minister, you are playing for time and you re not particularly interested in coming to a short or a long-term deal with hamas and gun so just as do with speaking and we saw a president biden and president macron sitting down for what s been described as a working lunch, we were not expecting them to make any remarks. >> it looks like lunch hadn t even been served. they were sitting there placemats and utensils. so this was just a spray at the beginning of what we re told will be a discussion over a meal before the events this evening at the state dinner at the lu zai palace. here s that video again, we react really quickly. thank you. control room of the two men talking her, told we can t hear anything that they re talking about because of the distance but the meetings continue in paris and back to you and benny guns. he was expected to announce today at a news conference his departure because he gave netanyahu prime minister netanyahu and ultimatum that he wanted to hear a plan for the release of the hostages. he wanted a plan for gaza postwar, and he did not get those that was postponed because of the release today of these hostages are the rescue i should say. do you think that this puts off that departure for any more than to give these these people in these families, their moment or is it likely that it ll stay any longer? >> i don t think he s going to stay much longer we now have not yahoo pushing very hard and the far-right to open a second front in the north with hezbollah as hezbollah much more powerful than hamas continues to show rockets down on northern israel and 100,000 israeli citizens continue to be evacuated from their homes, from their schools. the equivalent of 4 million americans imagine if after 911, the entire state of connecticut or louisiana were evacuated, it would be all we re talking about. so that is a significant push gantz continues to have as a red line in the formation of some kind of plan for governance of the palestinians after the war is over in gaza, netanyahu has been completely uninterested in accepting that there are really some significant gaps between these two that are also pretty unbridgeable. i expect gantz s going to be out sooner later probably sooner, but that doesn t bring down the government in israel. the government is the likud party, not you and the far right allies. and there, what would bring down the government would be if there were a breakthrough deal as biden had announced with hamas, what would bring down the government would be accepting a two-state solution. what would bring down the government would, would be a willingness to engage on the terms that the rest of the world is trying to get the israelis to move towards, to have some peace and stability after months and months let s of war. that s not going to happen. so i fear, and by the way, since gantz has made this announcement, this ultimatum, we ve seen the first poll since october 7 that show that not in yahoo is once again more popular than gantz among the israeli population. so gantz can go and we ll see who replaces them and we ll see what the new war cabinet will look like. but i suspect it s not going to make much of a difference for this israeli government. and ultimately, they are the ones that call the shots for israel s future. >> and the bremmer. thank you very much. we ll continue to see happens the rescue of these four hostages. thanks for your time and we will of course, de, on breaking news and france and israel also this morning, some democrats are angry with president biden over policy shift on the southern border. >> still to come the crackdown on asylum seekers and how the white house is looking to mend fences with its allies 19th cnn celebrated juneteenth, with special performances by john 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people attempting to cross is what we should be doing it doing. and look, president biden four years ago when he when he was running, he said, i, unlike trump understand that this country is a country of immigrants, and i will not restrict someone s ability to seek asylum in our country attempting to restrict it today goes against who biden says he is at the same time, look at the immigration policy. we have 1986, we haven t done anything around immigration reform. so when you haven t done anything, you haven t expensive legal pathways, they ve climate refugees, these countries are in corruption and violence. there s so much to be he done merely saying, you cannot seek asylum after going through the most horrific things that our southern border goes against everything we say we are. but dan, it doesn t work. how would you characterize what s happening at the border? would you say it s it s it s chaos right now there s like humanitarian crisis. >> and look, i just came from panama six 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understand from officials at the al-aqsa martyrs brigade in nearby debt and bella that the death toll among palestinians is at least one 107. however, this operation did succeed in freeing these four hostages who are in two different locations and we can tell you they include noah outgo money, 25-years-old of viewers may recall that she was video you ve taped as she was being taken away on the back of a motorcycle on 7 october from the nova music festival. the other three hostages were also at that music festival, including two security guards. and we ve heard from the israeli authorities that despite at eight months of captivity in gaza they, they are all in good medical condition. we can t say the same for the situation in gaza itself where hospitals are struggling to deal with hundreds of wounded now, this brings to seven, the total number of israelis who have been freed, rescued by the israeli military. compare that to the approximately weeklong ceasefire at the end of november when as a result of negotiations, 105 hostages were released at one israelis and 24 for foreign nationals. now, there are efforts ongoing to bring about a ceasefire that would result in the release of more hostages. but they don t what seemed to be making any progress at the moment victor amara, ben, we d have been forced in beirut and just got an update from our team in london that it s really pulling police report that and there s really policemen from a special counter-terrorism unit was killed as well in this hostage rescue. >> his name are non amora. we re continuing to get updates of this rescue operation throughout the morning. of course, we ll bring those to you let s go to elisa, a palace. now, any moment, we are expecting to hear from president biden and french president emmanuel macron, the pre-planned press statements during this state visit there right now, wrapping up what s described as a working lunch, we ll bring you those remarks when they happen the most anticipated 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is immediately facing an election. and that s president biden, and that would be my guess. they haven t said or they haven t made clear why they re taking this position but i think even though the french or the host here, i m a gemini setting the agenda. i think there ll be prepared to go along with the white house if the white house said they didn t want questions because they don t want that they don t want the possibility that the president will say something off the cuff as happens and then that has to get walked back potentially. >> okay. so what do you expect to hear? i mean obviously that the main topics are the attractable wars in ukraine and the israel-hamas war. what do the two leaders need to find? consensus on, if anything on ukraine specifically, they ve had a few good weeks. they re all looking forward to the most important international meeting that s going to happen before u.s. elections, which is the 75th nato anniversary in washington, dc. and just a few you weeks. and the efforts that have been made in recent weeks to get more weaponry to ukraine also, very soon to get more money to ukraine, guaranteed beyond just one year going forward. that is the coordination on the frozen assets of russia to be used and leveraged by the allies to help ukrainian defense. all of that has been happening. the new targeting all the rest with very close coordination by biden and macron. indeed, i think you could argue that these two leaders have been essential in expanding the support more than any other leaders and nato over the past weeks. and france is not always in at the position with the united states. so biden appreciates it. it may not be there for very long both leaders are in trouble domestically in different ways. of course, under a lot of pressure. >> but for now, they re going to want to take a bit have a victory lap and say, hey, this is the biggest threat that the nato alliance has faced over the last couple of years. and we are standing together, resolute to address it. that s that s i think the biggest message that you re going to hear from these two liters. >> it s fair nick, to expect that at the top they will knowledge the release of or i should stop saying released the rescue of the four hostages from gaza. hamas didn t release these the hostages the idf went and got them what do you expect beyond that, there were going to hear yeah, they both going to have commonality on that point in time. perhaps mentioned and paid tribute to the idf account of terrorism. commander who was fatally injured, mortally wounded during that raid and died. the both have commonality there. and i think just previous question, i think is one of the point. why do you not take questions in a scenario like this? because the president s have different positions on a variety of issues, whether it s the middle east whether it s ukraine, or whether it s china, taiwan, the indo-pacific, which undoubtedly part of the conversation and if you take questions, then the audience for journalists are going to want to explore those differences and that potentially is awkward. a neater, tidyr statement deals with that. so i think one of the things that we ve got two, hint of that listening to we saw president macron and president biden city down at a table outside before this meeting, having a quick conversation and just listening in, you could hear president biden talking about working together and he mentioned the last time that he saw president xi and thinking back here to president macros last visit to beijing, this was april last year. he talked about not wanting to get drawn in to a u.s china escalating wanting not wanting to get john drawn into that dynamic of tensions between the united states and china and france has different economic interests, if you will, in china and is willing to play them differently to the united states. so they do have different positions officials there, but we know from national security coordinator john kirby that one of the things that will come up will be improving maritime coordination between the united states and france in the indo-pacific region. so this is absolutely going to be about a common alliance that potentially could get drawn in to a conflict with china if china were to invade taiwan, something, something france is very much opposed to as well, of course. so there will be, perhaps we ll hear some announcement about that, about some kind of maritime police keeping force, border force, a tie up perhaps between the us coast guard and the french navy. there could be, we could get something on that i ll quickly you mentioned this us champion plan, which is going to be a top priority when the g7 liters meet an italy few days from now regarding this plan to leverage interests from seize russian assets and alone to ukraine macron is a keyhole doubt on this. we just have a few seconds, but could it do you expect that this is something that is a topic that the two leaders have discussed or will discuss today it is, it s complex, but i think they re getting there. >> i think it will be announced just a few months ago. everyone was the no but the harder this war goes against the ukrainians, the more urgency there is for the us and the europeans and ultimately, i think they re going to get to yes, biden and macron are closer, right now on most global issues that they d been in a very long time, nick is right. there are gaps distance, but right now, there s more alignment than we ve seen between the u.s. and france and a longtime, both leaders know that that may well be very fleeting. >> rubber, nic robertson. thank you very much. >> and thank you all for watching any moment now, we re going to get those statements from the president and president macron will bring you those live as they happen. >> first, while the show starts after break assignments are going off and playing, the tornado here i m thinking, i m going to die and i thought that was it. fallen 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>> sean: we have about 30 seconds. you ve been in the courtroom, this is home turf are hard to biden, copies a good attorney. what you foresee calming, they apparently we ll rest their case may be is released tomorrow? >> that s just the prosecution and then abby will get stuck into creating the sob story about hunter biden and his drug addiction and his family tragedies. i think it could work with the jury, they only need one to hang them. and abby has his very complicated theory that says that hunter biden in his mind did not regard himself as an addict in that moment that he signed the gun. >> no evidence that he did drugs that date, he was not an addict that day, a tough argument. we ll see how it works out. thank you both. only come back more of my interview with president trump your i asked him what he s looking for and who he s looking out for in a running mate and
it is dangerous and we are going to have to make sure that we understand that we are not at risk with this man talking in the way that he s doing. how far is this going to go? are they going to be attacking? who are they going to attack? what are we going to do? i ve got to get on with trying to get an investigation going. >> jesse: trump is not even an office and they are trying to open up a preemptive investigation... biden is looking up trump and he can t talk about it because he is gagged. where the investigation into that. eric holder showing a complete lack of self-awareness, worried about what a politicized justice department would look like and in doing so betrayed the exact playbook the left uses against their enemies. watch this. >> if the president told a compliant attorney general i don t like what this congressman said about me or did about me, open an investigation on that person. that attorney general could tell a compliant attorney to do just
text, et cetera. expect the drug crisis to be front and centre for residential again. >> sean: on his home turf in a friendly venue. in their state. i d say the odds are high that he may not be convicted because of all those connections and he s a good attorney, thank you. by the way we turn our attention to delaware, dave 400 biden s trial, accused of buying a gun while addicted to drugs and then lying about his addiction on a gun application. today we learned about his relationship with a 24-year-old stripper and his reliance on taking a hit of crack cocaine at times every 20 minutes. we also learned that hunter introduced crack cocaine to his former girlfriend. who was also previously married to his brother. apparently she dumped hunters gone in a trashcan when his addiction seemed out of control out of terror and fear for his
indicted he brought the case to federal court and went in front of judge hellerstein among other claims he made. he made this claim about presidential immunity. and the judge said that mr. trump had not presented any evidence at all that hiring and paying your own personal attorney relates to your core constitutional duties. paying hush money to a porn star relating to your core constitutional duty. >> up for debate in a donald trump presidency. >> it was shocking, or covering up a conspiracy to promote your election by unlawful means is part of your core constitutional duties. the biggest insult is to say they didn t come up with a colorable argument. didn t even try. the georgia case has more to do with his duties because it relate to an election, but even that, you are talking about whether it relates to even remotely relates to his constitutional duties calling an elected official asking them
was brought by the state of ny york has helped him with those fundraising numbers. there are still some questions about what this means for him politically. so they d rather him not do because only on the trial, but also bring up those issues like immigration, like the economy, like crime. >> now, that s event center tonight, there were thousands of people, many of them waiting outside and 120 while degree heat, i will note that according to the fire department here, they did have to transport about 11 people because of heat exhaustion. >> people waiting outside to see the former president rihanna. >> well, 11 people not is a lot kristen holmes. thank you for that report. i want to turn now to this news about steve bannon. we have sarah marie out front in washington. sarah, i know you spoke with bannon s attorney. they weren t actually expecting this result. >> now, i think even though you saw steve bannon playing it cool in front of the cameras when he left court sounding very defined, his attorneys were stunned by the fact that the judge ordered band and to report to prison it by july 1st and begin serving a sentence. i
general who locked up drug dealers for a living, of course, guys, stashing that .38 caliber colt cofer revolver trash can outside a market a few miles from here. gun hunter had just purchased 11 days prior. here was a photo of that revolver shown to the jury inside the courtroom here yesterday. asked by the prosecutor if it appeared that hunter was using drugs around the time he purchased the gun, hallie said he could have been. but then later on cross-examination, hunter s attorney, abbe lowell asked hallie if she ever saw, ever witnessed hunter using drugs in the month of october of 2018 when the gun was purchased. she said she had not. now, one member of the biden family, the first lady jill biden is expected to be back in court today of course we saw her yesterday normandy invasion in france. jill biden is now back here in wilmington, expected here today. and then flying back to europe to attend a state dinner with her husband, president biden,
in his own voice, his in his own text, etc.. but ladies and gentlemen, expect the druetera.g crisis toe front and center for president trump again. yeah. and on his home turf, in a t i iendly venueur in their state. i d say the odds are highh that that he may not be convicted because of all those connection nots. and, you know, abbe lowell is a good attorney. two reasons. kellyanne, thank you. charlie hurd, thank you. now, by the way, we turnention our attention to delaware. day four of hunter biden s trial. he is accused of buying a gun whils oe addicted to drugs and then lying about his addiction on a gun. plicat today, we learned about hunter biden s relationshipio with 24aa year old stripper and his reliance on taking a hitstrippek cocaine at times every 20 minutes. we also learevery 20n hunter ind crack cocaine to his former girlfriendintraine, who was also previously married to his brother. apparently, she dumpedy marrie s gun in a trash can when his addiction seemed out of control. terro out of terror and fear ford fear