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judge essentially split it in half and tried the most culpable defendants first and then the second group of defendants second. so you may expect some sort of balkanization of the list if not all -- not a sufficient number of them resolve their cases prior to trial. >> it could get incredibly complicated with so many defendants. tim heaphy, we've got to leave the conversation there. thank you so much. >> thank you. we want to zero in now on one of donald trump's georgia co-defendants. the former mayor of new york, rudy giuliani, says that he will surrender to authorities in fulton county next week. it comes as we're learning new details about the former new york mayor's mounting legal bills and how they're draining him of cash. cnn's katelyn polantz has been covering that story for us. so katelyn, giuliani's attorneys say he's facing hundreds of thousands of dollars in just legal fees and paying a lot of money just for electronic records keeping. >> it's a lot of money that he needs to pay now. he has to have cash to pay now.
usa, usa. that was his response, of course, when the supreme court ruled in favor of the christian web designer who refuses to create websites to celebrate same-sex weddings. let's bring back j michaelson jason osborne, also joining us evan osnos of the new yorker and constitutional law professor gloria brown marshall. she is the author of the book she took justice, the black woman law and power. great to have all of. you professor, i want to start with you. i assume the imperioli's rule is an informal ball in terms of who can watch his shows. but it's his point valid in that it's sort of what sotomayor was saying about the balkanization of providers being able to decide who they want to serve and not serve. >> i think it is. it's directly on the point that justice sotomayor is saying that not just the protected class, women, people of color, immigrants, anyone could be prohibited from being served in
let's bring back j michaelson, jason osborne, also joining us, evan osnos of the new yorker and constitutional law professor gloria brown marsh. she is the author of the book she took justice, the black woman, law, and power. great to have all of you. professor, i want to start with you. i assume the imperioli's rule is an informal ball in terms of who can watch his shows. but it's his point valid in that it's sort of what sotomayor was saying about the balkanization of providers being able to decide who they want to serve and not serve. >> i think it is. it's directly on the point that justice sotomayor is saying that not just the protected class, women, people of color, immigrants, anyone could be prohibited from being served in restaurants or being allowed
the rules of the hierarchy oflen the caste system and you die. nikku dii haley understands tha. don lemon doesn't.'t and n and now he's heading off to dooh heading to do infomercials. but the real question is , where does this leave the rest of us ? well, at a dead end, whichof is what identity politics is , it's the ultimate national cul de sac. identity politics is the precise inversion ofea the american idea out of many one that becomes one that comes out of one many results, balkanization, atomization, racial strife, divs hatred, division and crazinessd. in the end, in the end, rwanda, no country can survive identity politics.cy we know that we have to stopw it. thbut how do we stop it?ur maybe by remembering that our nation is actually aboutg cn something bigger and by restating clearly and out loudso the principles that bind us to one another. what, in other words, doanot whe have in common? >> that's a realthat i question in fact, that's a question we can't avoid if we want avoid if we wa to continue. >> that's a question thatcontine entrepreneur ramaswamy has spent a great deal of time
indefensible spending bill . and you could see why zelenskyyg was in for the grift. he's got a lot riding on it, twelve point nine billion dollars in this bill . to prop up the ukrainian economy. three hundred million for ukrainian agriculture, another three hundred million for ukraine. $300 millionand border patrol. and in the same bill , we are tying the hands of our owng border patrol. so ukraine gets economic development, agriculture, us border patrol, and we get racial equity mandates for us here at home.hey shou so washington actually thinks that they should go to great lengths to keep ukraine whole while the same time funding the balkanization and division within our own country. and i'm not sorry that lauren bobert and i won't stand for it. no. and byr ow the way, i have much more respect for maxine waters,c who i don't like and vehemently disagree with , because she's a fellow american. we're both citizens. we both grew up here. merican. this guy has nothing to do. with our country. get what he can. i get it?i'm no
the choice of what political coverage the voter looks to has as much impact on as what they believe. they go to get re-enforced in their views. whether it's msnbc or whether it's fox. >> that was the press conference by joe biden last week. it's not just him. other top democrats have used their mega phone to push virtually the exact same equivalence. let me show you a perplexing riff from barack obama where he basically used that same sentence structure, treating fox and rush limbaugh, which talked up racist birtherism against him as part of a larger media polarization. >> there are a couple things that in my mind at least contribute to our politics being more polarized than people actually are. the balkanization of the media means we just don't have a common place where we get common facts and a common world view the way we did 20, 30 years ago.
really believe it or want to believe it? i'm not sure that matters if they want to believe it or do believe it. they believe it in some sense, right? >> they're taking action on it. some would say michael, don't be so ridiculous, they know it's bogus, they're trying to make it more difficult for people not part of their constituency to cast a ballot. 60% think it was stolen. it gives them the power to go out in a state like pennsylvania and say that secretary of state position, let's make it an elected gig. instead of an appointed job. >> you talked about this before on your radio show and weekend show here on cnn about and i've often wondered if it's -- are people being co-opted, they're being exploited by right wing media or is it that they want to be? is it naive? is it a combination of all three of all? >> the balkanization of the airwaves may be a subject for a
reasons why the constitution is even there. our founding fathers wanted to make sure that we didn't have economic balkanization among the states and that people can travel freely from one state to another. the minute you have a president of the united states with arrogance -- when he doesn't have any. in the minute he then claims that this isn't about freedom or personal choice. it's like -- the guy who robs the bank and thereafter claims that this isn't about the money. this guy's whole job is to protect your freedom. he is going out to your freedom. he needs to be held to account to it. >> shannon: let me ask you about one of his nominees. this is -- she is advocated for ending banking as we know it. she is now in contention to oversee the country's banks. recent papers he wrote, she talked about radically reshaping the basic architecture and dynamics of modern finance.
lose population, they want to eliminate three republican states because by hook or crook, they want to make it so they fixed system so they can't lose. censorship. big tech. academic freedom under attack, unless you are a leftist, a free press, do we have free press? "new york times," "washington post," major networks, msnbc, cnn. these are prop began -- propaganda organizations, class warfare. redistribution of wealth, based on race, anyone that democrat can use to exploit and turn against the american people. balkanization in so many ways i don't know how to count, the rich versus the poor, this is how they hope to push through the massive spending bill. and look at critical race theory, indoctrination of your children to be
lose population, they want to eliminate three republican states because by hook or crook, they want to make it so they fixed system so they can't lose. censorship. big tech. academic freedom under attack, unless you are a leftist, a free press, do we have free press? "new york times," "washington post," major networks, msnbc, cnn. these are prop began -- propaganda organizations, class warfare. redistribution of wealth, based on race, anyone that democrat can use to exploit and turn against the american people. balkanization in so many ways i don't know how to count, the rich versus the poor, this is how they hope to push through the massive spending bill. and look at critical race theory, indoctrination of your children to be racist, you are supposed to