Ver sags is that the real world effect of the attack on democracy becomes attacks on people. so this is a classic example of how that plays itself out and one that i hope people will continue to use to make it real in terms of pushing these reforms forward and having these protections established for people who are doing their civic duties. charles, barbara, tia, thank you all. up next, how the indictment of the former president in georgia could impact his other criminal cases. you re watching our continued special coverage of the indictment of donald trump. number four. only on msnbc. number four. only on msnbc. [sneeze] ( ) astepro allergy, steroid free allergy relief that starts working in 30 minutes, while other allergy sprays take hours. with astepro s unbeatably fast allergy relief you can astepro and go! have fun, sis! ( ) ( ) can t stop adding stuff to your cart? get the bank of america customized cash rewards card,
And i ve lost my reputation. i ve lost my sense of security. and with us now is msnbc legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, barbara. atlanta journal constitution washington correspondent, tia mitchell. and charles, former prosecutor and also an msnbc legal analyst. barb, this indictment specifically calls out individuals who harassed these women and one knocked on ruby freeman s door prompting her to call 911 three times. so what s the strategy behind the d.a. including these specific workers by name in this charge? i think this charge really reflects the nature of the kinds of cases the federal government charges versus the kinds of cases the state government charges. oftentimes in federal cases, the victims are faceless. it is society in general.
The difference between a state indictment and a federal indictment and the way they usually read, is there because there are so many more people involved in this one as opposed to just one, does a more complex story necessarily mean that it is a tougher prosecution? no, not at all. barbara was on the air last night talking about how she would prosecute the case, the way the indictment is laid out is chronological so it doesn t lend itself to the easy narrative that you are talking about but you can separate the overlapping schemes into different buckets, yes, there is a fake electors scheme, but there s also the pressure campaign, there s false statements and litigation filings, there s false statements to legislative hearings that were used to try to pressure georgia legislators to come back in a special session. so there are definitely stories here, you just have to sort of disaggregate the chronological story and put them in their proper bucket with what these people are trying to accomplish
True, when he s got enough people telling the same lies, that lie becomes believable. i ve seen that. that people lie. i think he thought he had it under control and believed that he should. but this time i think now it s a little bit overwhelming. i think it s just too many people, too many risks out there, people that can turn on him. well, it if that s true, an unprecedented moment. we ll see how it affects his behavior. thank you, barbara. glad to talk to you again. thank you. my pleasure. in hawaii one mother was bracing for the worst, saying goodbye to her 5-year-old as flames raged around them. she did survive. russia firing into ukraine way far from the front lines, striking homes and apartments in western ukraine. even a kindergarten there.
Since 1990, he did get away with murder. until county attorney eric smith cold case unit finally made him pay. do you still talk to barbara? yes. do talk to her in the courtroom that day? yes. what did you say? that i love her. that we miss her. and we finally got him. hopefully she can rest in peace, and we can move on. ove on he was well liked, well loved. he was smart, he was fun. i had the most senseless empty feeling. this is how it ends? why would somebody do it. now what? white hat. wide opened smile. a handsome young veterinarian and big sky country. he loved helping animals. he asked me out that night. i was excited. and then they found him. dead on the floor. two shots went off.
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Indicating it would be sort of a large criminal conspiracy, including many people, different story lines and different efforts all getting to the same point, which would be to overturn the 2020 elections here in georgia. barbara, here is one of those expected witnesses, former georgia republican lieutenant governor jeff duncan. what he describes as the turning point to overturn joe biden s win in georgia. take a listen. for me one of the pinnacle kind of broken moments in this whole process was the state farm arena, right. here we have this kind of cooked up, fake senate hearing that shows up at the georgia capitol that rudy giuliani put on for the sole purpose, in my opinion, in releasing a spliced video. he started to take those folks on the fence, good, hard working republicans on the fence and all of the sudden the president of the united states is telling them it s a real video and then rudy giuliani are telling them it s real.
Today given the fact we re about to go into a hearing where a judge in the january 6th case is going to rule whether or not a standard protective order should be placed around the information that donald trump is able to see and receive and how he s able to use it. the timing on that not lost on any of us. yeah. the twitter files that the justice department wants to retrieve clearly relate to that time period right around the election. all of those materials could be relevant. it s fairly typical for prosecutors to obtain social media from the platforms like twitter, like facebook and others. i think the only reason this is getting so much attention is they resisted in this case and it had to go to the appeals court to get timely compliance. but clearly there is evidence here that is important to jack smith and the investigators. so i m sure we ll see pieces of that during the trial. barbara, help us understand what you think that evidence might be. because to state the obvious,
i think it s one of the things that can make us age more gracefully and comfortably, absolutely. i would love to be with you again i think cannabis can improve aging, so at least living better for sure. i would love to have you back again we deserve to live a quality of life as we age, as we age. a better quality of life for the seniors we met all over the world. so many times, marijuana seems to have given them that. pain-free walks on the beach for barbara, yoga for nama, quiet time for cam and iris, ruthy and