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The Five

half of the gop conference signed a letter saying we need a special counsel guy. that's the whole point. that isn't actually the whole point. there would be a problem with anyone except for, i don't know, donny osmond and rudy if they were the special counsel. david white is a trump law point. >> david, nice line. can i finish? he lied to jim jordan when he said he had all the power he needed because we know from an october 20, 22 meeting with the fbi, the irs then, and a contemporaneous, we made business record that he said he wasn't given permission to prosecute the other jurisdictions person who was not in the room when happened, but his ally in the room, david weiss, confirmed law, was not allowed in that room. so let me say that, you know, it's not a your point. first go. oh, that's very generous of you. thank david wise hasn't lied and merrick garland confirmed it today, saying he had all the powers that he asked for. i would have made him a special ,but he did not ask to be so obviously something so nasty

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The Source With Kaitlan Collins

police officers. they were just protecting the building or the people in the building. they were protecting democracy. really the story and the arc of this indictment and of the trial is going to be an attempt to steal this. it's really remarkably powerful when you think about it. mike pence will be a witness. there are paragraphs in here that have to be solely based on his account of one-on-one conversations he had with the president bolstered by the contemporaneous notes.

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CNN Tonight

bill. when that didn't work, he applied the screws to pants and finally exploited the violence. that is simple. it is three conspiracies. defraud the united states, obstruct congress, and take away all our civil rights. 81 million biden voters, at least, civil rights. why do you do that? to go to trial and go to trial fast. and that is the bet. he is going to put this case before the american people, we are going to get a jury verdict. i think we will get one within the year. and then these polls, you know, trump, biden, 50/50, the american people are going to make a choice. that is the way it should be. >> you are nodding your head. you think so? >> there's a little something from everyone. the former chief of staff, the vice president and his notes, contemporaneous notes.

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CNN News Central

the trump campaign knows this. that's why he's reacting as he is. >> to be clear in this indictment, pence is not just an outside observer. he is central to the special counsel's case and a number of references to him including the indictment reading at one point, quote, as reflected in the vice president's contemporaneous notes here. he is -- by the way, this is something different from the january 6th committee's investigation because pence did not take part in that but did take part in this so he's very much in it. >> he's very much in it and such a unique situation. if we just kind of can zoom out for a second, you know, i think to jeff's point there is indictment fatigue and keep saying unprecedented but think about this. we are in the middle of a gop presidential primary with a former president running against his vice president. this indictment has come down and we're asking the republican voters to weigh in and say, is this okay? are you okay with this, and pence is there in the middle as jeff just pointed out being even -- so much more sharper

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CNN News Central

line. you hear mike pence trying to get out there. but he's polling at just a few percent. that's not what republican voters are buying. >> it's baffling to me that the vice president, who did his duty on that day under extraordinary pressure, as is evidenced again in this and as evidenced by his contemporaneous notes, with the pressure of the former president, overturn the election, all right, if you won't overturn the certification, delay, throw it back to the states for fake electors, it is baffling to me why he can't with greater candor simply say this was an insur insurrection, it was incited by this president, this is a set of grave crimes against the country and the constitution. >> yet this idea of the insurrection being incited by the president, that's not so much what this indictment leans on. it leans much more on the fake electors scheme, this idea of what donald trump -- and we all heard what he said on january 6th that preceded this group going up to the capitol. that's not as much what jack smith is leaning on. do you think that's a mistake? >> no. i think what is in here is so

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Deadline White House

now, the same deputy white house counsel tried to dissuade co-conspiritor 4 from assuming the role of acting attorney general. the deputy white house counsel reiterated to co-conspiritor 4 that there had not been outcome-determinative fraud in the election and that if the defendant remained in office nonetheless there would be, quote, riots in every major city in the united states. co-conspiritor 4 responds, quote, well, deputy white house counsel, that is why there's an insurrection act, end quote. there's actually more. it now appears that much of the case involving the unprecedented pressure campaign on mike pence to stop the certification of the electoral college on january 6th was built on contemporaneous notes taken by pence himself and, yes, handed over to and provided to special counsel jack smith. the indictment mentions this conversation. quote, on december 29th, as reflected in the vice president's contemporaneous

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Deadline White House

trump says there this is what happens when you steal an election. that'll chis indictment is what happens when you try to steal an election. what happened on january 6th is what happens when donald trump loses an election. that's when you get riot and violence and insurrection and teams to steal an election. but the proper response is precisely what we saw happen today, so i view this as tremendous vindication of the rule of law in american democracy. >> there were revelations in jack smith's indictment, that's the comment made by trump on january 6th that congressman raskin alluded to as well as the fact vice president mike pence took contemporaneous notes. the special counsel obtained those contemporaneous notes. all affwhich we'll dive into with our guests in a minute. the indictment of donald trump seems almost normal in recent months, the new normal at least. it's important not to lose sight of the significance of this one just handed out by a d.c. grand

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Katy Tur Reports

who read this indictment yesterday evening from the podcast here on msnbc. you did it the first time as well. i had no idea the first time we did it, we did it as a service, didn't realize how many people took to it because it's a legal document. it's 45 pages. it takes an hour and a half to read. by reading it, people are getting in the car, listening to it. it changes your view if you actually read the details. this is not from everybody who hears all of the discussion how it's a political document, whatever the case is. when you read it, read the details of the narratives, text messages, contemporaneous notes that mike pence took and you see it all in one place. >> it's a speaking indictment. it lays out the case so clearly. >> yes. >> like in these 45 pages. i think what's more understanding to me, we know after the congressional investigation to january 6th as well, they had 845 pages, right?

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Deadline White House

let's start at the table. now that you've had time to read it and get off live tv, what surprises you? >> well, one thing that surprises me is, you know, we're so focused on this indictment and just -- let's just take a step back. when you said this is the second, no third indictment. just last week the former president -- >> right. i have it wrong still. so fourth. >> it's technically the fourth. just last week, i didn't mean it as a correction. >> no, you're right. >> just last week he was charged with a second obstruction of justice scheme in the documents case, really blatant core obstruction. >> deleting the server? >> exactly. >> before that it was lying to his lawyers so his lawyers would then lie to the justice department. those were lawyers who took contemporaneous notes just like

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