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the courthouse this afternoon, posting quote, change of plans, they are moving faster than they thought. chidi was subpoenaed to testify about, quote, barging into a semi clandestine meeting of republicans pretending to be georgia's official electors in december 2020. also appearing sooner than planned was the former lieutenant governor of georgia, jeff duncan. he's a republican and former trump supporter who broke with the ex president in 2020. earlier today, donald trump attacked duncan on social media, saying that he, quote, should not testify before the grand jury. trump also called him, quote, a nasty disaster for those looking into the election fraud that took place in georgia. when duncan we left the courthouse a little over an hour ago, he told nbc news that he thinks this moment was a pivot point for his pardon. >> i think it's important to tell the truth. i have to respond to my constitutional duty, and answer to the grand jury -- it's important for us as a
his indictments over the last four months. these are four different cases in georgia, florida, new york and washington, d.c. the 13 counts against him in georgia, this indictment brought last night, bring his total to 91. 91 counts against the former president around current front-runner with the presidential nomination. joey jackson, michael delvin back with us. michael, let me begin with your reaction to what we just heard there from geoff duncan who was lieutenant governor during the time all these shenanigans was going on. he presided over the senate when there were all these efforts to get through the fake elector scheme and a republican who praised the entire process that he was a part of here. your thoughts. >> well, he's standing up for what he believes to be the truth of the matter, which is that
i found out yesterday when i walked into the kitchen in the morning and one of my sons said, dad, former president misspelled your name. which i thought was funny. it's geoff with g. my personal experience. this has been going on for 2.5 years for my family. we didn't get into politics because we wanted power. policy over politics. that was my motto. if you put the policy over politics we'll have a much better outcome. it's tough that we have to go through these growing pains. look, we will learn from this or lose from this. i hope we're one of those at that point in time for the republican party where we learn from this. >> that is a surreal breakfast kitchen conversation with your child, i have to be honest with you. >> just an average day at the duncan's house, right? >> honestly, over the last two years not necessarily wrong. former lieutenant governor, jeff duncan, appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you so much, geoff.
shouldn't speak to the grand jury that. post reads, quote, donald trump said, i'm reading, reports that failed former luiieutenant governor of georgia geoff duncan will be testifying. he shouldn't. his post went on to say that duncan was a loser. of course, i want to point out he spelled geoff duncan's name wrong in that paste. the thing here, jim, it's unclear what will happen from these posts. we don't know if he's going to be indicted or if a judge in the case is going to try to put restrictions on what donald trump can say on social media. of course, in a separate case, in the federal case regarding his efforts to overturn the 2020 election, the judge has begun to set restrictions on what he can do on social media. i know from my conversations with donald trump's team, he's not planning to cease posting.
will be testifying before the fulton county grand jury. trump goes on to say he shouldn't and then he goes onto launch a number of other attacks against duncan. again, this grand jury presentation is expected to take up to two days. of course we're going to be on high alert for any potential indictment announcements today or tomorrow. and this is a sprawling case. this has been a 2 1/2 year investigation that was set off when donald trump made that phone call to brad raffensperger and pressed him to find the votes for trump to win the state of georgia. it's gone onto include the fake elector scheme, an harassment campaign against election workers as well as a voting systems breach in georgia, sarah. >> all right. thank you for all of that. i appreciate it. john? >> just a reminder, these were the election results in georgia in 2020. this was the margin between the two candidates, joe biden won by 11,779 votes.
reports that failed former lieutenant governor of georgia duncan will be testifying before the grand jury. he shouldn't. he then goes on to say, i barely know him, but he was right from the beginning of the witch-hunt a nasty disaster looking into the election fraud that took place in georgia, et cetera, et cetera. you have the potential defendant in here talking about a witness testifying saying he shouldn't. what are the potential problems there, john? >> well, that's not very smart. it's witness tampering pretty blatantly. he's trying to send a message to duncan to withhold or whatever. trump is just -- he just doesn't seem to be able to help himself. he's under productive orders elsewhere in new york and now in d.c. he knows better. but he just doesn't seem to be able to behave. and i don't know what a judge will do in georgia when the
leaves. certainly she's speeding this up. >> to your point, duncan, like so many key witnesses in this case are republican state officials. that hasn't stopped trump from attacking the witness. >> he told geoff duncan on truth social, his social media site, that he shouldn't testify. a lot of people out there wondering does that constitute witness intimidation or at least witness tampering? i've talked to lawyers of both minds. some say it was written as if it was a law school textbook. he didn't actually cross the line into intimidation because he said he shouldn't, he didn't threaten him with an action. on the other hand, he's clearly dissuading someone from testifying before a grand jury. it's interesting that the former president doesn't want an
reporting is nbc news correspondent blayne alexander. nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent, ken dilanian, and the "atlanta journal-constitution" senior editor of trump grand jury coverage, shannon mccaffrey. welcome, and thank you. let's start with george chidi and jeff duncan who might be testifying earlier than expected. why is it significant that she's showing up today instead of tomorrow? >> i'm going to take the last parts of the question first. that gives us insight that it is moving faster than anticipated. george chidi, and duncan said they needed to show up tomorrow morning. fact that they have gotten the seemingly sudden phone calls from the d.a.'s office telling them, actually, change of plans, get down here within the few hours and come testify today shows that they are moving more