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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20190804:06:04:00

silence that sometimes you have in first date. >> ernie, that's what he called himself, was good-looking, college educated, a former eagle scout who'd been raised in a mormon household. though his occupation was rather unusual. he was a professional poker player. >> kind of surprised me that someone with his background would be a professional poker player. >> of course you did something kind of odd for a while too. >> exactly. which is why i had no judgment about it whatsoever. i found it very interesting and he said he was making good money at it. >> ernie explained how he had mastered the poker skill of cleverly hiding any tells, any clues about the cards he was holding. >> he was good at reading people, which of course is very important in the poker world. >> he kept an apartment in southern california, he told her, but spent much of his time in las vegas. >> he gambled enough at the tables. he had high enough status that he got free rooms and free meals, show tickets. >> he seemed to be doing it all

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20190804:06:05:00

rather responsibly, saving money he told her for those times when the cards weren't so lucky. >> it was almost like somebody having a sales job that they know sometimes they're going to get a lot of great sales and sometimes they're not. >> she fell for ernie over the next few days of magic time in vegas. and soon a long-distance relationship blossomed. they were on the phone every day. there were trips. she to vegas, he to meet her in places like aruba and mexico. and one day ernie told adrian he loved her. >> oh, it was very exciting. >> ernie traveled to adrian's home base in north carolina several times. got to know her family, her mother lynn. >> he was charming and was very comfortable with us and us with him. >> we talked about marriage. we were looking at engagement rings. >> they actually talked about children. >> if the first one was a girl, of course he would love her, but he really wanted a boy. >> so it was wonderful.

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20190804:06:06:00

not perfect, of course. what is? ernie's mother the devout mormon did not approve of his poker playing, apparently. even though ernie's father loved poker. in fact, they often played together. >> he really seemed to like his father and respect his father. they seemed to be close. >> so why didn't they want to meet her? it was frankly a little hard to understand. >> how he explained it to me, his mother did not approve of our relationship because i was not mormon and we traveled around together and were living a life of sin or whatever. >> the scarlet woman. >> exactly. >> and when she did meet ernie's dad once, it didn't go so well. >> so we were in the lobby of caesar's and he started to say this is adrian and he said "i know who she is" and turned his back to me. >> wow. >> yeah. i don't think i've ever been so

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20190804:06:15:00

and why? >> in our area we just didn't have a husband and wife in their 60s in a multimillion-dollar neighborhood killed for no reason. >> investigators poked around the scherers' background looking really for enemies with motive. and it turned out they had some. or at least ernest did. >> ernie was a very passionate person in his views and he wasn't afraid to let you know how he felt. >> guy houston, a former california state assemblyman, knew ernest scherer for his extreme fiscal conservatism in his work with the republican party and on the local school board. >> he did make people angry but it was all on a political, it wasn't a personal basis. it was all political. >> besides, what happened to them was too ugly even for politics. and as for charlene -- >> i don't know anybody who didn't like her. >> here was her friend from the mormon church. >> her confidence, her command,

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20190804:06:12:00

happened to someone i know. >> not her ernie, thankfully, but ernie's parents. ernest scherer jr. and his wife, charlene abendroth, murdered. found dead in their own house, which was coincidentally in an upscale country club right across the san francisco bay from adrian's hotel. and now, of course, the house was a crime scene where even the seasoned lead detective scott dudek was horrified by what he saw. >> it was probably the most gruesome brutal homicide scene i've ever seen. >> it was march 14th, 2008, when the call came in. a country club employee had seen what looked like a body through the scherers' window. detective kirsten tucker was one of the first at the scene. >> as i approached the front door of the home, i could smell the odor of decay and blood from quite a distance away. >> and inside was like a war zone. blood everywhere. and the battered bodies of two people who had clearly fought

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20190804:06:31:00

hate-filled manifesto of sorts posted by the suspect online before the rampage. now back to "dateline." welcome back to "dateline." i'm craig melvin. as a poker player ernie scherer was a professional bluffer, a keeper of secrets. he'd shown that he was practiced at deception away from the table as well. holding his cards close. but was he a killer? here again with our story is keith morrison. >> it was, to say the least, eye opening when detectives encountered adrian solomon and heard her account of the secret life of ernie scherer iii. >> i kind of thought, you know, he stole two years from me. >> not to mention the truly audacious extent of ernie's philandering. but this, after all, was not some tabloid smackdown. ernie's parents had been callous ly deliberately, brutally murdered.

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20190804:06:35:00

were killed, he had missed a mortgage payment to his parents for the first time. >> so this is approaching some sort of crisis? >> that's what we felt, yes. >> so motive? well, maybe. investigators told ernie they wanted to talk. and he agreed to come down to the station, where he explained that their suspicions were groundless. ernie had an alibi. >> there will be credit card transactions and phone records of me driving from las vegas back to brea, california. >> night of the murder, said ernie, he was at home in southern california hours and hours away from his parents' house. he had driven from las vegas that afternoon, stopped for gas and a bite to eat at a mcdonald's in primm, nevada. and yes, there were credit card records to prove it. he arrived home around 5:00 p.m., fell asleep on the couch for a bit, watched a movie on tv and went to bed. wife and son were away, he said. and bright and early the next morning, he met his elderly grandfather for a bridge

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not the sort of thing at all you'd expect of some hormonally hopped-up lover boy. and as detectives pored over the scanty evidence, they encountered lots of the victims' blood but very few useful clues. >> we were looking for everything. every blood-stained fingerprints. >> and they found nothing that pointed to ernie. after all those mysterious nike shoe prints were consistent with a size 12 and ernie wore a 9 1/2 or 10. also the csi people found in one of those prints a speck of human dna that did not belong to either ernie or his parents. early on there was only that curious incident, just a little odd, that happened the day after the bodies were discovered. ernie showed up at the house all distraught insisting officer tucker give him entry. no can do, she said, active crime scene and all. >> he became demanding and even condescending very, very quickly, which surprised me. >> why did he want to get in the house so badly? >> he wanted the will. >> he told you that? >> he did.

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20190804:06:33:00

>> his parents' will, which investigators found in a desk drawer. >> and the will indicated that their fairly significant estate would be divided equally between their two children, catherine and ernest, and that they would receive their inheritance at the age of 30. >> did you determine how old ernest was? >> i did. ernest scherer iii would turn 30 in july. and his parents were killed in march. >> ernie's father had a couple million invested in real estate, though at the time of his death the value of the estate was certainly shrinking right along with housing prices. still, was it even remotely possible ernie would kill his parents to cash in on an inheritance? the detectives had a look at ernie's financial situation. and you know how some professional poker players claim they win a lot? maybe not. at least not in ernie's case.

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20190804:06:34:00

>> we learned that he had 60-some-odd-thousand dollars in credit card debt and he also, in talking with different casinos, he had lost a significant amount of money in the tune of $80,000 or $90,000 in his play in the last year. >> although that was not the worst of it. not even close. by march of 2008 when the murders happened, real estate in california was huffing and puffing on its race to the bottom. and six months before that ernie the son wanted to buy a house in the city of brea in southern california but couldn't get a loan. banks not quite so sanguine anymore about the security of a poker player's income. so he borrowed the money from ernest the father, $616,000. but then real estate started tanking, so father ernest asked son ernie to go to a bank, refinance, pay back his loan. and ernie couldn't. >> he was frantic trying to refinance his home. >> and at the time that they

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