seemed to be pulling more votes away from biden or trump based on who you spoke to anderson kennedy s coalition of voters, they ve really span the political spectrum polling data does indicate the largest contingent could actually be those who didn t support either candidate i didn t 2020 a lot of his support comes from these so-called double-haters. those holding unfavorable views of both biden and trump, anderson even can thank so much. the news continues, the sorts we count. collins starts now, i ll see you tomorrow. straight on the source tonight. the president and the probation officers were brand new details from inside donald trump s pre-sentencing interview that could have huge impact on his punishment, including whether judge, were shawn since him to prison, were to giuliani s latest mug shot this time in arizona as the ones it s powerful mayor drowns in debt and scandal he says he has no regrets. we ve got the tape of him today a new images of those extraordinary moments that hostages are found alive during that, during rescue mission in gaza in broad daylight, a top israeli official will join me here live. i m kaitlin collins this is the source let this sink in and for just a moment, the presumptive republican nominee and the former president of the united states, just met with probation officers ahead of his sentencing which happens to be one month from tomorrow here in new york. now these pre-sentencing interviews are routine procedures for convicted felons, but it s safe to say there is nothing ordinary about this interview or this convicted felon. here s what we do know as of 9:00 p.m. here tonight, it was around 330 this afternoon that donald trump donald trump met virtually from his mar-a-lago club down in south florida with officials here in new york or sources say that he answered all the questions that were asked of him. cnn s john miller was told that trump was polite, respectful, and accommodating to the probation officers who conducted this interview. and the whole thing was over and just under half an hour it is quite the call, but adding to the unusual nature of this whole thing, we re told that the commissioner of new york s probation department was present for it, along with the general counsel and the officer who s assigned to the case and trump, as we know, with the permission of the judge here, one more sean was joined by his lead attorney, todd blanche, who are you d this case. now, typically, a convicted defendant would meet with their probation officer without their attorney. there. but this was different here. like many of the dynamics here. and ultimately it is the probation department that will submit a report based in part on today s interview to the judge here, who of course, will then ultimately decide but trump s punishment will be, i m joined tonight by trump biographer, cnn political analyst, and you times senior political correspondent maggie haberman. maggie, i mean it s a required step before sentencing, but just the aspect that he is undergoing. this is just remarkable in and of itself, everything about this is remarkable. and i do think that we lose sight of it that especially those of us who were in that courtroom, as you and i were, this is a former president who was trying to understand that his supporters think that this was not a case that should have been brought. they say that all the time. i think his lawyers feel this way too but nonetheless, he was convicted and it took less than two days and now we are hurdling toward a republican national convention, where he is going to be he nominated for a third time as the party s nominee, and he will have just been sentenced a few days earlier on july 11. and so i don t think we can overstate how remarkable this is. i think where it stops feeling remarkable is that voters don t same, particularly interested in it. and so this is history. this is something we have never experienced before. everything you just described is not the usual procedure in this kind of a sentencing report interview. but this is not typical, as you said? yeah, for all the talk of how trump has treat, i mean does get special treatment in some of these circumstances and you talked about the hell the sentencing is on. it s on a thursday. the convention starts that monday based on what you ve heard, has it set in for donald trump himself though, that this is happening, that he is having to answer these kinds of questions to probation officers. it has not actually don t think that the the conviction has left his mind much even though he s i think the best compartmentalize are many of us have ever seen on the political stage. i think he is well aware of what he is carrying over the next four weeks this situation where most of them would try to get a lesser sentence in these kind of interviews or when they go before the judge, trump will have an opportunity to speak to offer to be contrite but it doesn t seem like he s going he has been making that argument based on what he s been saying on truth, social, or rallies, or in interviews about this case and we do know he s also planning on appealing it right after that sentencing happens. so how does he balance the two of those so my assumption and we don t know specifically what he said in this interview. it was pretty short today. i don t know what the average length of those are, but 30 minutes is not a long time on its own my assumption is that he was actually not contrite, but certainly more subdued in that interview. than what we have seen on truth, social, what we saw outside of the courtroom and the hallways at the courthouse, what we have seen him du rallies, what we ve seen him doing, interviews it will be very hard for him to then suddenly argue that that s all just politics. or he didn t mean it, or what have you remember? he s going to be sentenced by a judge who cited him for violating a gag order several several times. and at one point said to him, the last thing i want to have to do is put you in jail, but made clear that that was on the table. if he kept doing it i don t know what this ends up looking like it i don t see a world where trump stands up and says, i m really sorry because trump s still denies anything happened, especially to this judge of all people are rapidly rails against repeatedly, which is you make a really good point there that how he acts inside the courtroom or based on what john miller heard about how he was in this interview? it is quite different than how he talks about it at rallies on tv in front of the mics. as you and i know well, from covering him for a long time, he can be very different depending on what crowd he is playing, two and when he knows that he is playing to the probation commissioner and his probation officer or the person assigned to the case. i am expecting that he was slightly more subdued now, do i think that that means that he said you re right. i feel terrible about all of this. no, i find that very unlikely, but i doubt that it was spoken version of the all caps truth, truthsocial posts and part of this process is family members, friends can submit letters to the court on the defendants. the felons behalf do you think that ll happen in this situation? actually do think that there are a lot of people who are potentially going to write testimonials. we ll see if that happens, but we certainly saw that he and his aides were getting people to attend the trial. normally, when people do that, it s so that the jurors can see sympathetic people around the person is in trump s case, it was so trump could roll heavy with elected officials for the most part. but i could see efforts by his family members, by friends. he went to court a couple of times with steve witkoff, one of his oldest friends whose real estate investor from new york, i could see people like that sending in notes to the judge. yeah. it s interesting. i also wonder the vp contenders who also started showing up, the doug burgum is the jd vance s making very clear. it s also a question whether they would say something on his bath or there s doing it on on television and interviews. my assumption is that they are much likely are to do it to the cameras than they are to the judge because they re playing to a different audience than the judge. their plan to trump seated senior legal analyst elie honig is also your elie you when we look at this, how much impact does what happened today in this whole pre-sentencing report that s gonna go to the judge how much impact does that have on the actual sentence itself? these reports matter. they re not binding on the judge, but they absolutely matter because this is the first time you hear from some sort of neutral third party trusted by the courts, probation department, and i promise you, whichever side likes the recommendation will say, look, the probation department is with us. there on our site and just to give you a sense of how closely he held this information is when we would get these pre-sentence report sent to us as prosecutors, it would come in to emails first and encrypted email that you couldn t open unless you had the code and then a second email giving us the password to open it. so that s how confidential this information is kept. it seen as is proprietary, it s private information, it s personal information, so it s very closely guarded by the courts. does it ever make a difference to the prosecution of what they re going to ask the judge for in terms of sentencing, when they look it over port like this for sure. because let s put ourselves in alvin bragg s position here for a second. this is going to be really close call at sentencing. what does alvin bragg? i think he s likely to ask for some term of imprisonment. i think it s hard for him to bring a case like this. just to get 34434 convictions and then say, we re fine with probation. and if probation, the probation department itself has come in first and said, we recommend prison. it s much easier as the da to say we agree with them. yes. do that there s a lot of information in this pre-sentencing report that it actually could pertain to his other legal issues that he s dealing with from the civil ones here in new york, but also the other criminal cases. could that complicate anything? i mean, is that why todd blanche attended this today? would normally an attorney would not be present for it, happy if i had a client who had three other pending indictments and several civil verdicts in the process of appeal, i would absolutely insist on being there because what he says can be used against him in certain circumstances. another thing to keep your eye on here is now the trump s been convicted once he sentenced in new york that could actually bump up his punishment if he s convicted in the other cases because those cases, what you do is you calculate a person s criminal history. now, he has a criminal history. you re agreeing maggie? impact. do you think it could have i think it could have all of the impacts that le just described. i also think that it could end up being i m not sure that this will happen, but because it hasn t happened yet, but it could end up being a factor in whether prosecutors, any of the other cases and led correct me if i m wrong? if they want to suggest that this impacts his release conditions from those indictments. now, again, i don t think that s likely, but i do think that we have seen jack smith raised concerns about his attacks on the fbi. judge cannon, in that case, the mar-a-lago documents case, did not agree with them. it s just something it s more grist to the prosecutors can point to but if he s not if there s not jail as a result of this. i mean, even if he s checking the probation officer, that would be pretty remarkable in the homestretch of the presidential campaign. yeah, have a curfew. i do sometimes and to have a geographic restriction, i mean, the conditions or probation chen can differ quite a bit, but i do want to make this point, even if judge merchan sentences trump to prison. and i think there s a decent chance he does. that sentence will almost certainly not be imposed until after appeals. and i assume that he is going to differ the sentence until after the appeal is ongoing and set aside. and then that likely gets us till after the election. and of course we know trump is going to appeal this. elie honig when mega man great to have you both to start off the show tonight, coming up here, trump s co-defendant in georgia smiles for his new mug shot in arizona here what rudy giuliani said after he just posted bail and arizona today. but first the helicopter pilot who flew hostages out of gaza is now speaking out as we are seeing new video showing that rescue happening. israel s ambassador to the united nations is here to weigh in the source. we ve kaitlan collins. he s brought to you by up devo plus your voice. find out more at up devo.com. if 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on daylight, we typically this kind of stuff seems to happen at night. it was interesting that it did happen and daylight when i was in combat truthfully, kaitlan, we did normal conventional operations in the daytime and nighttime was left mostly for the special operators to do these kind of hits within our area of operation. so to do this in daylight, is just phenomenal to me that takes even more training. but they had to get in there, they had to see the ground and they had to see the train that they were operating on. and what does that tell you about the hostages? notice they re being held and buildings and apartments we know some of them were told are being held in tunnels, but clearly some of them are being moved around and being held held in buildings, but held in palestinian homes where palestinians were aware that they were there this is the coercion that hamas has on the local residents of gaza. and it s right smack in the middle of a neighborhood. and in fact, a un relief agency building was nearby. we have seen this throughout the campaign that these kind of operations by the israeli defense forces are taking place in neighborhoods with mosque, with hospitals, with schools. all of it within the environment of the palestinian people. it s remarkable, general mark hertling great to have you here tonight. also, your tonight, israel s ambassador to the united nations go out or dawn great to have you back. i do know how the hostages are doing. what would ve israeli officials heard about them they said that they re doing well, obviously they need psychological treatment and other kinds of treatment to recover from what they ve endured. but thank god, there they re at home and they are with their families. and that s the most important thing this were four people who were rescued. this puts the total that israel has rescued of hostages since october 7. its seven people. and obviously, it s undeniable that this is a success for the families and that they are happy to see this but also the question is do you, are you worried that it jeopardizes a potential bigger hostage agreement with hamas to release them on the contrary, i don t think he jeopardizes the bigger hostage deal since we had the first deal, hamas refused every for was put on the table. there were own ready. today we re where we had the fourth security council resolution that passed, but we had three previous ones that were rejected by hamas calling for the release of the hostages so it s the only thing that can work is this combination of diplomacy applying international pressure on hamas that started only today with the resolution that passed in the security council. and using our military might. but you can t what israel has not been able to do is rescue all of them through these special ops operations that are happening. we just talked about the difficulty of it. you can see they is so i do think that s a real question tonight of what it means for for a hostage deal, for getting the rest of the hostages home i don t think we forget them. i mean, we we are willing to sacrifice. you saw we are losing when we paying the ultimate price are best soldiers or lose all right sacrificing their life to save the hostages. hamas does the opposite, but what other choice do we have as long as hamas refuses to every hostage deal, i mean, president biden said ambassador linda thomas-greenfield said, the resolution said that we accepted the new hostage deal we are accepting the outline that appeared in the resolution today. i want to ask you about what happened at the united nations today. but on this, israel s facing a lot of backlash internationally because of how many palestinians were killed as a result of this rate, how does israel justify how many fatalities? it s worth going in and conducting a raid like this in broad daylight when civilians were obviously out. sadly, sadly, you cannot interview here one of the hamas commanders because he s the right address to ask him this question. it s not us to justify. they re putting their own civilians in harm s way. what other choice do? we have? any country would do the same in order to release and rescue their hostages. and still, we don t know the real numbers of un-involved civilians. there were so many civilians. there that we re cooperating with hamas to keep, to keep the, you know, to keep the host the jezzine in apartments to report to hamas when our forces are getting closer and many times, we know that hamas is using civilians that are not affiliated with any terrorist organization, but still they are terrorists. so we cannot still use the terrorist numbers, as you said these are hamas numbers, figures 200 276, and we regret the loss of life. we always, when there s an opportunity and there s an option, we want this civilian population, we hope that they re not going to stay in harm s way, but you re not denying obviously innocent lives were also lost as a result are you soon i assume, yes. and i regret it and i it s a tragedy, but we cannot i mean, if we don t put the blame on hamas, we are helping and advancing their strategy because otherwise, other terrorists, we are going to use the same strategy in many other countries. if you can abduct innocent civilians and then hold them in civilians apartment and think that you have immunity. it s not going to work. we will never defeat terrorism. let s talk about what happened at the united nations today because you just mentioned in that security council the resolution that passed, it is the first time we ve seen something like this passed since october 7 happened in the eight months since the war happened, you are present for the vote today, but you didn t address the security council. why not? well, i thought that we don t want now to emphasize any differences. i know when sometimes when i speak, people are listening to me and they re listening to what they want to listen to so we preferred to lower the tone today as i said, we accept president biden s first of all, we respect him and we are grateful to all of his efforts and his administration efforts. we accept and we accepted the outline of the deal, but i have to admit we had our concerns about the way it will be interpreted by hamas. that s why we held an intimate dialogue with our american counterparts once our security concerns were addressed so we accepted the deal. you said you had concerns. this is a resolution calling for an immediate it s fire, ultimately a permanent one, and the release of all hostages. can you say tonight that israel unequivocally backs this resolution again, it depends on the interpretation because there s phase one, phase two, phase three, moving from phase one that caused, now for the release of the world on the than the women and the elderly that should be done by hamas. and then moving to phase two, that, then you get to the permanent end of hostilities, ceasefire. it needs to be it depends on upon an agreement that should must be achieved between the parties. one of our conditions this is not only the release of the hostages is also the future of gaza, and we cannot agree to hamas continuing to be the rulers of gaza because then gaza will continue to pose a threat against israel. but this still is israel s proposal. why can t netanyahu say right? he supports it well, i don t know what he said to secretary blinken today when they met. the fact that the fact that i wasn t instructed to speak out against the deal means that we accept the deal wouldn t it mean that you re supported. if you could come out and say you supported it. but i m i m saying here that we accept the deal. again, it s pretty much depends on the way it will be interpreted by the negotiators because hamas years let s say answer, you re saying we support it but you re not just saying unequivocally that israel does support it because the words are very important, because when it, when you say that, if the negotiations continues after six weeks, we need to continue with the ceasefire. so hamas can exploit this clause and continue with endless and me in, in glass negotiation, that means nothing. obviously that wasn t the meaning of president biden when he outlined his just to be clear, even if hamas comes out tomorrow and says yes, we accept this israel still wants to negotiate what it would actually look like to implement. all know, there s, if hamas accepts it and you listen carefully to what they said today. they said empty words, they welcome the resolution, but they still didn t say that they accept the deal. they know exactly what is the deal already? for sure they know the first phase, phase one, so they can say yes to phase one, we will see hopefully the release of the women, the elderly, the wounded. israel will hold its fire for six weeks and then there will be negotiations on moving to the second phase, which is the permanent ceasefire, but it depends on some conditions that needs to be negotiated. the resolution says that upon agreement between the two parties, the parties not only two parties there there will be other parties as well. we ll see what they what they say, ambassador gilad erdan, thank you for checking. ahead. rudy giuliani is latest mug shot after he just posted bail to de in arizona, but still spreading lies about the 2020 election. my next guest is worried about misinformation in this election, arizona s secretary of state will join us here with a new ai video that he created as a warning to voters the most anticipated moment of this election. and the stakes couldn t be higher. the president and the former president one stage two, very different vision genes for america s future. this cnn presidential debate thursday, june 27th, nine live on cnn and streaming on max have heart failure with unresolved symptoms it may be time to see the bigger picture. heart failure and seemingly unrelated symptoms like carpal tunnel syndrome shortness of breath and irregular heartbeat could mean something more serious, called attr cme a rare under-diagnosed disease that worsens over time. sound like you call your card pretty allergist and ask about attr cm, nine out of ten people don t get enough fiber. bennett fiber is the easy, gentle solution for every day. it s plant-based prebiotic fiber nourishes good bacteria in your gut, working with your body to promote digestive health with so many ways to enjoy benefit number is your fiber, your way? 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oh, my goodness. no. why not? i m very, very proud of it. there was a substantial amount of vote for the one on here that was covered up probably one of the biggest conspiracies in american history joining me now, arizona s secretary of state, adrian fanta and secretary, it s great to have you just for context for everyone, you are precisely the recorder and maricopa county. you are on the front lines of the election in 2020. so obviously you have great experience with what, what actually happened in the 2020 election. i just wonder what your responses to hearing rudy giuliani he say that he has no regrets about the efforts to try to overturn the election. there. well, first thanks for having me on and second, i stopped taking rudy giuliani seriously after the borat tape and so i m not going to countenance any of his lies further than they need to. he s been indicted and he isn t and it s an until proven guilty. and that s really what the process is that we re fighting for. we think the rule of law should be applied to every person regardless of their station and that s really, i think where it ends and i know you can t talk about the specifics of the case, but the other thing that he said there that caught my ear was he said that there was a tremendous amount of evidence and that there was an abundant amount of evidence. i mean, you oversaw the counting of the ballots and maricopa county, was there a tremendous tremendous amount of evidence of voter fraud from what you saw? well, i m glad you pointed that out because the 2020 election actually was the election where i was running for reelection and unfortunately the voters had a different opinion than i had and i ran the election. that was my own loss. and we know that the elections are solid in arizona. they always have been the people that run them have run them with honor and integrity for a long time. i can t say the same for folks who have been proven wrong over and over and over again. in every actual inquiry that has occurred. and so we re going to let the process play its way out and let the chips fall where they may, for these folks who have been accused. as you look ahead to 2024, you did something recently that is really remarkable. what you created this ai generated video of yourself, it looks like you, it sounds like you. i just want our audience to see this video that just as a reminder, is actually not real this is an impersonation of arizona secretary of state adrian fontes using generative ai. the video was created as part of the arizona election security and ai tabletop exercise for the media our goal is to make sure folks understand the capabilities of current deepfake technology and the dangers it poses to the public i mean, it s unsettling to see that, to hear that, to look at you right now in real life and i just wonder the fact that that can be so easily done, how much it concerns you about what election workers, election officials like yourself are up against. well, this is one of the reasons why we started engaging ai experts and training our own elections officials in arizona last december during a tabletop exercise, we want to make sure that our folks are as well prepared as possible that these things are not new to them. if and when they get used in malicious ways against them, or our voters. that is really what this is about being prepared for possibilities. we do all kinds of other preparations in election administration if we ve got delivery trucks, we ve got backups. if we have electrical systems, we ve got backup generators deployed this is part and parcel of the new reality in election administration and it would have been irresponsible of me as the chief election officer and arizona not to prepare my folks. it s just like when i was in the marine corps, you use the tactics and the weapons of the enemy to prepare yourself for the impending battle, hoping that that battle never comes secretary of state, adrian font says, thank you for joining us tonight thank you for having me. also tonight, we re tracking some vip stakes developments because one leading contender is revealing some of the questions that they are being asked by the trump team. including, have you ever committed a crime sirens are going off and the tornado here i m thinking, i m going to die. and i thought that was it fallen earth with the liev schreiber sunday at nine on cnn her appointment and 30 minutes. okay one. remember, i don t want surgery from i do patreons contraction two, i don t want to wait for my contracture to get worse. three, i want to treatment with minimal downtime for i want to non-surgical treatment. goodbye. and five and if non non-surgical treatment is an auburn i ll get a second opinion let s go take charge of your treatment. if you can t lay your hand flat visit, find a hand specialist.com to get started that s rob. it s scientifically formulated to help you take charge of your health central gives everybody a healthy foundations supporting your i m yours you did plus try centrum silver. now clinically proven to support memory in older adults. in the next 30 seconds, 250 couples will need to make room for a nursery. 26 people will go all this family. we ll get two bathrooms and finally, one vacation or we ll say yeah, i m going to live here that as a euphoria subsides, their realisation hits i can see the house don t worry, just sell and buy in one move when you start with open door. wow. oh yes start with an all cash offer at opendoor.com kevin bought the tape. i ll put it on my chase freedom unlimited car and i m a cashback on a few other things too dark with the sale system. all right. from deep step one more thing, the team hold it gets five minutes. gay cash, rows i like it. i ll break the clay back like a pro would chase freedom and limits. how do you catch? 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unclear to me, i still think it s remarkable less than the uncharted territory that we re in. you cannot work in the west wing. i could not have worked in the west wing if i d ever had a felony charge, yet, there s a very real chance we ll have a president overseeing the west wing who has 33 or 34 felony charges on him? yeah. that s a good point. i mean, what do you make of that question? have you ever lied, you know, kind of what this process is looking like for these potential confounders look, i go back to the voters. i think that voters actually care if there s this kind of history. and i think the criminal conviction that trump has had is going to matter. dad. i know there s some polling suggests otherwise right now, but i think it s going to matter in the end. so this actually is important because if, for example the process that they have says it doesn t matter if you ve lived are commit the crime. that s going to come back to hurt them if they say, oh, no, no, we must have a vice president who s never, ever committed a crime it kinda advertise is the problem with the top of the ticket. and i think one thing we can say for sure, top of the ticket dominates here in a way we ve rarely seen, vp is going to be so much marginalized compared to past races but this question kind of speaks volumes well and the question is also, does it affect the margins because that is going to be incredibly important in this election. and so when you, what i ve been talking to people and tell me what you ve heard as well. is that it seems like it s jd vance, doug burgum, and marco rubio who ve risen to the top of who s under consideration electorally speaking, who do you think would be the most beneficial to donald trump s ticket i haven t publicly stated any favorite. they come a strengths and weaknesses. i m sure if you come up with a list of seven or eight names they all bring their own positive electoral history and they have their positions on issues that might have more symmetry with a, an electorate. but that s ultimately up to the present to choose who he wants to be his running a bunch of races. you just read one here in new york. i mean, that is something that people take consideration. one for me, i think in 20241 of the best skills is going to be the ability to get into cities, to go talk to longtime democratic voters about issues that they care about. their are disenfranchised voters out there who aren t going to just come around and vote for your ticket? i ll be this saturday in detroit. i ll be speaking a few hours ahead of president trump. we saw president trump go into the south bronx. i found during my race for governor, as i was talking to asian voters and black motors and hispanic voters when you show up and you don t pander, you show up and actually talk to him about the quality of education in schools or crime, or mental health challenges, or homelessness and more on the issues there are these issues that transcend blind partisan loyalty. so ultimately if you haven t asked me what traits as far as getting out in campaigning and making a difference, i would say it s the interest, the willingness, the ability to get out, not just talk to republicans who may be already with you, but being able to win over the support of democrats, saying that you should be under consideration. you re going to say all right now i will nominate julie sure. that ll help my thoughts. the first to speak up for it has somewhat like good stuff in the cup the vp doesn t necessarily matter beyond what can you add that the top of the ticket doesn t donald trump need somebody who can be a monster fundraiser? he s lag joe biden. this cycle. he needs someone who can go and campaign independent of him. he is going to be tied up in courtrooms. he s gonna be busy who can go out turnout crowds, and reach voters who we maybe hasn t been able to. and then he wants most fiercely loyal to him. and this is the key thing. and you were somebody so you know this i know personally it s somebody who would not do what mike pence did on january 6. that s been a bit of aliveness test and some of these discussions, i think rubio and bergen make a lot but of sense i am kind of stunned though, that there s only really one woman and consideration and she s kinda considered the second tier considering that abortion is one of the top issues this cycle, trump s consistently been bleeding support with suburban women. and i think having a woman in contention would be a huge boom. i hear you, but i have to say, i think it s past that point for them yeah the first time in american history that a right has been taken away. the right to choice has been taken away by the supreme court. those people named by donald trump, having a woman as vp is not going to erase that. there s no way you can make that up. and i think the challenge here is none of these figures that are being talked about for vp are big enough. to really have an effect on the election. they re not going to win the swing voters over. i think this is a key thing. you just said, right? suburban women are going to determine this election right now, that s something that s gonna help joe biden in my opinion, and those swing states, who of these folks that donald trump is looking at for vp are possibly going to help to change that balance. i don t see any of them as decisive. trump has just two dominant and he has crossed the rubicon on issues related to women in such a profound way, vp is not going to say, do you believe any of those three names that could help with that? i mean, a marco rubio or any of those names that could potentially help with some of those voters are two seats. i think first the foremost, the most important trait we re talking about one quality a few minutes ago about winning an election november the most important trait is somebody who can fill the position of being president of united states and that really should be like the top three priorities of picking them. and there are talented people here. i mean, you mentioned doug burgum is a governor of a state and he was a wealthy the businessman and marco rubio is he s a good messenger and he speaks spanish and he can get out and communicate with a larger demographic. but if you go down the list, you jd jd vance, cia, he come comes on your show and you might ask him tough questions and he s ready for, and he ll give you tough answers and you re ready to go back to them and i think the audience likes to watch the back-and-forth there. there are talents by don t think anyone really is going to change the election as a vp of them are particularly presidential in my opinion, respectfully, and i can say democrats and republicans, i can say different or the same analysis for people in both parties these particular folks don t strike me as the person who s going to step in if they were ever called one dynamic though that i think i just want to finish. i just don t think it would be very interesting and valid. trump said, i m going to go for a really well-known, highly respected kind of crossover american figure, someone that people could see as their president. i don t think the people we re talking about here meet that standard. i just think that when you get to a vp debate and you get one shot right? there might be as few as one debates. one debate. and vice president kamala harris is onstage with that candidate, and you re talking about these issues related to the border or the economy, foreign policy and energy. and you re flushing qing out, not just your own positions as a candidate, but really the positions of your ticket and your party in a moment, there s someone there when mike pence arguably beat vice president commonly harrison. a debate in the next day, donald trump s stepped on the entire message at the end of the day donald trump s fatal flaw since he wanted 2016 is not being able to pivot to a general election. he s out there this week and talking about wind turbines and sharks and boats and sinking, not talking about issues voters, qarrah, always talking about rage and retribution. so you can have the best messenger out there. i think mike pence was arguably the best person he could have chosen navigated the trump dynamics in a way that wasn t better could i think i don t know that anyone s going to be able to bring him back to these independencies right? 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i think we are going to get a verdict tomorrow. i mean, it s not a complicated case. we only had four days worth of evidence. the jury certain lee knows what the issues are i don t think they have to spend more than tomorrow on this, but i think if they don t get a verdict tomorrow, you could be looking at a hung jury here because, like i said, the facts are not that complicated and the legal issues really aren t that complicated. and as we know, if it s a hung jury, they ll try to send them back in, like what we were speculating with the trump case as well. yeah. they would get an allen charge, which is a charge to tell them to continue to deliberate, but they ll also be cautioned not to give up their firmly held beliefs. so it s time for the sake of coming to a close. jurors light want to reach verdicts. they know they re supposed to reach a verdict, but sometimes they can and sometimes allen charge is working, sometimes they don t. i wonder what you thought because you re always we re always trying to get the minds of the jury. we don t know what they re actually thinking, but what do you think they took the prosecution s closing argument today not to pay attention to who is in the room. i mean, it was a pretty clear comment directed at the first lady jill. i mean to refer to people in the gallery are not evidence. i think that was the direct quote to refer to the first lady as people in the gallery. i think it could have been very off putting. you have to assume that the biden family and forget about what you think of joe biden, forget about what you think of hunter biden. i m sure jill biden enjoys a good reputation in the state of delaware. the rest of the biden family, it seemed like a little bit of a cheap shot. i think the prosecutors felt like they had to acknowledge what they perceived as the elephant in the room that you have the biden family there, but it wasn t inappropriate. they were all close family members, right? it s not like, you brought in political allies or people that you wouldn t normally expect, people you wouldn t have thanksgiving with? yeah. if you were the attorney representing hunter biden here, would you have sent the family million? oh, absolutely. i would have had the family that interestingly, i think i would have considered bringing the president there just for the summations now, you can t bring the president there for the whole trial because people say, well, doesn t he have better things to do than sit here for a week, but for summations for a few hours, it would not have been inappropriate to do that s interesting. so you think a president biden being in there would have been helpful? i m sure that discussion was had between the biden family and abbe lowell and they decided against it. and i can understand there are reasons to decide against it, but if you do bring the president there, it does show respect for the system that he s there sitting as a father interested in the fate of his son, but he s not there. and you would have to acknowledge it. he s not there as the president of the united states he s there as the father of hunter biden? yeah. i mean, it is remarkable. abbe lowell going 90 minutes today with the jury was closing their eyes and some points. is that a bad sign look, it s it s not great, but you can t read too much into that. yeah. we re not us to bill, we will be waiting to see if there is verdict tomorrow. thank you for joining us tonight. thank you all so much for joining us, as well as we continue to
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the collaborationists and the nazis together were ruling france and they had been for years. there was a french resistance to the nazi rule and the collaborationists, but the nazis and their puppets were definitely in charge. i they were actually heading intoc year five of being in charge. they were really settled in, inf france. and then here comes this shock arrival. this invasion. hundreds of thousands, ultimately millions of allied troops landing on the beaches and the cliffs of the northwest of france. and they are clearly planning to take it all back. the d-day invasion, the allied n invasion, started on june 6th. now, on this date, on june 10th, 1944, just four days into the d-day invasion, the germans were reacting. they had been, of course, shocked by the initial invasion. but a few days into it, they now realized the scale of what they were up against and had started scrambling their units from all over france, turning all the available german troops in france toward the northwest of that country to try to stop the allied advance. and that included a nazi ss panzer division that had been in the south of franz. that division was ordered to essentially traverse the whole length of the country, head north to where the allies were advancing from the beaches of hr normandy. and on their way north through france, toward the new allied front lines, the new western front, this panzer division stopped in a village called oradour. pro-nazi french collaborators had told them, they told this panzer unit that the french resistance was active in this town. and they told them that the french resistance in that town had killed a nazi officer. and in response, that panzer unit decided, yes, they were on their way to the north of france to join the new western front and the, you know, the battle for the whole war, to try to shore up the german lines against the big allied invasion, but they decided on their way e there, they would stop and do something in oradour.g they would destroy that entire village and everyone in it. that panzer unit rounded up every single man, woman, and child in that village. they even rounded up random people who didn t live in the village but were nearby or who had the misfortune to be passing through the village when this nazi unit made this decision.t that nazi unit killed every human being in oradour. or everyone they could find. they killed 643 civilians. a vast majority of them women and children.or they used machine guns and they burned them alive. they looted the entire village, and then they tore down the village as best they could. they razed it. oradour.ed this is what it looks like today. still in ruins. the french decided after the war that they would never rebuild. they would leave the ruins, preserve them as they were left at the end of the war, as a memorial to what the nazis did. and we have these photos of what oradour looks like literally today, because this morning, the president of france and the president of germany visited the ruins at oradour to commemorate what they call the martyrdom of that village, to remember what happened in europe, in france, under fascist occupation. now, this is not the first time that french president emmanuel macron has visited oradour. actually, ten days before he was first elected president, he went there. he visited the village just before he was elected president. he visited in the company of the man who was then the last livini survivor of that massacre.s i said the nazis killed everyone in the village, at least everyone they could find.ge the nazis did kill over 600 civilians that day, but there were about half a dozen people from the village who, against all odds, in a miracle managed by hook or by crook to survive. the last one of the survivors was in his 90s when he brought emmanuel macron to oradour in 2017. that last survivor has since died. but today, macron went back to the site, to show this place, to germany s president. now, in 1944, about six months after oradour happened, the germans were still hanging on. but thanks in large part to the d-day invasion, they knew by the end of 1944 that they were losing. they were losing to soviet forces in the east, for sure. they were also simultaneously losing to the allied forces coming in from the west. once the allies opened that new western front with the d-day invasion, they started pressing their advantage against the nazis everywhere. not only liberating france, they clearly intend to liberate everywhere the nazis have taken over. they re pressing toward germany itself. hitler knows that his military is on the ropes. it cannot sustain the losses they re taking on both the eastern and western fronts. and so about six months after d-day, about six months after oradour, hitler decides he s going to mount a surprise of his own. he decides he s going to mount a huge german counteroffensive in belgium against the allies. the allies are basically closing in on germany s own borders and when hitler musters hundreds of thousands of men to mount a counteroffensive against them in the forests of belgium, it absolutely is a surprise to the allies. nobody thought germany still had it in them. everybody thought not everybody, but a lot of people thought the war was going to be over by christmas that year. where did the germans muster 400,000, 500,000 men to mount this new counteroffensive, but they did. that german counteroffensive started in mid-december 1944. it began a six-week-long battles that would be the single deadliest battle of the entire war for the u.s. military. aside from just the brutal toll of that battle, that was the battle of the bulge, that battle also came with its own astonishing and unforgettable atrocity. it was another german panzer unit much like the one that killed the entire population of that french village. it was an ss panzer unit in belgium. and they ended up in the very outset of that surprise german counteroffensive, they ended up ambushing a bunch of americans. and the result of it was they took custody of a large group of american prisoners of war, unarmed american p.o.w.s. and these p.o.w.s, again, they had surrendered. they had no weapons. the nazis lined up those americans in a field, the americans have no weapons. they have surrendered.ve they have their hands above their heads. they re p.o.w.s, but the nazis just massacred them in the field, they mowed them down with machine gun fire. and like at that village of oradour, what is almost as unbelievable as what the nazis did there was the fact there were somehow miraculously some survivors. there were some american gis who had also been lined up in that field, who nevertheless lived. american gis who played dead, who hid under the dead bodies of their comrades, who managed in the end to drag themselves into the woods to get away. and what happened to them? you will not believe me when i tell you this, but it would not be long before a sitting united states senator would vehemently object to those men giving testimony about what they saw. about what they survived, about what happened to their platoon mates, to the other men in that battalion. the other p.o.w.s who were massacred by those nazis.p. a sitting u.s. senator tried to block the american soldiers who. survived that massacre from t giving testimony about it in congress. he said the american people shouldn t hear it.e he said it would be he inflammatory. w it would inflame the public to against the nazis who killed alf of those unarmed american p.o.w.s.na i find it absolutely insane to think about, but this became a very strange thing in american domestic politics. i mean, there were unrepentant r leftover nazis in germany after the war. they were trying to make the allies and america in particular the real bad guys from world war ii, and maybe that is understandable when you think about unrepentant nazis who just lost the war, but you would not believe it, the zi thing that s amazing is not that there were leftover nazis who were trying to do this. the thing you wouldn t believe is they enlisted a lot of americans to help them in that project. including taking a stand against the american soldiers who survived that p.o.w. massacre ha and demanding that the nazis who did it should be set free. this became a cause celebre in the right wing press at the e time. and it helped launch the national career, the rocketship ascendance of arguably the most radical and controversial figure in republican electoral politics in the last 80 years before donald trump. while he was swimming in these very dark waters, darker than what seems possible for something in mainstream american politics he would go on to lead a movement of millions of followers who were increasingly radicalized by his increasingly radical rhetoric and tactics over time. his fellow republicans were both repelled by him, horrified by him, while they also wanted in on some of the massive political energy and fanatical devotion he attracted. they thought very seriously about putting him forward for the presidency, and the reaction among close observers of him and his tactics look so much like what you re seeing in the american press today about the e fear of a second trump term, you wouldn t believe that it isn t just a straight up rerun. in his time, the people who stood up against him mostly got mowed down in politics by the strength of his fanatical following. that happened for a very long time. until eventually, ultimately, it stopped happening.en and the forces against him prevailed. and i m telling you this for two reasons.ll number one, this is the thing that i have been working on for the past year. my podcast, rachel maddow presents ultra, now has a season two, and it is out today. episode one is out today.t you can get it anywhere you get podcasts. if you don t usually listen to podcasts, if you take out your phone right now, open the camera on your phone, and point it at that weird looking little on l circular square thing on your screen, you click on the little box that pops up on your phone, it will bring you right there so you can listen to it. you can listen to it for free. it s free to listen to. there are eight episodes of thio all together.ei episode one is out today. i hope you may want to listen.e i have been working really hard on it.n i m really proud of it, but i hope you like it. i hope you ll check it out. that s one of the easons i m telling you this story. i have been working on this story, i have been working in general on stories about other v times in our american history that we have dealt with really terrible threats to the country. where we have confronted reallyr radical people with really radical designs to undo the fundamental things that make us who we are as a country who nevertheless get into political power and attract large followings. this has happened to us before.p and the reason i have been working on this for the past couple years, the reason i have been working on these projects is because for me, i feel like i really need to learn this stuff and fast, for me, there is a real urgency to learn these stories now.no from when we have contended with terrible challenges before, ha particularly when we re talking about powerful americans advocating for authoritarianism or just flat out embodying it. particularly when it s about selling factually unhinged conspiratorial lies to the american public and half the public is mortified, mystified by that, but the other half of the public is super energized by it and they not only believe these lies, they kind of become their whole new reason to live. the public gets bifurcated like that into earth one and earth two where some people are based in the reality based community and some people are based in a different place, and that place is emotionally satisfying to them, and radicalizing them, and it takes over their lives. we are living through a moment like that right now with what is ascendant on the american righth but we have lived through it before. and i feel like i m racing to learn these stories about americans who have fought these kinds of fights before us for the simple reason that i feel like i need their ideas about how to fight it. we need their ideas about how to fight these things. we need to see what worked and what didn t when americans faced threats like this before. and it doesn t mean that fighting them always works. sometimes they get away with a lot of this stuff, and sometimes people take on incredible risk and danger to themselves. sometimes people risk their lives or give up their lives to fight these things, but knowing the track record of americans who have stood up against these kinds of dark and authoritarian and anti-democratic forces knowing who else has tried it and what s happened to them is helpful for us calibrating our available responses now. and knowing what to expect when we confront these dark movements. so that is why i have been working on this, and that is why that story is on my mind tonight. but it is also what s on the news right now. i mean, one of the remarkable things about seeing the french president with the german president at the ruins of oradour today in france is that they took that tour of the ruins of that village today, that th preserved memorial to what fascism did in europe, they took that tour this morning. just one day after the german far right and the french far right won shockingly large an proportions of the vote in the h european elections that were held yesterday. in both of those countries, the parties that did so well have ties not only to the old fascist parties of old world war ii era germany and france, they both have current ties, including financial ties, to vladimir putin and russia. when president biden and president macron of france met in france these past few days ma for the commemoration of the 80th anniversary of d-day, president biden said that he and president macron agreed on a new plan to seize russian assets inz the g-7 countries and use those seized russian assets to providn even more support to ukraine. as ukraine continues to struggle against the russian invasion of that country. president biden is just back from france for these d-day commemoration ceremonies and from those meetings with e president macron. he s just back but heads back to europe the day after tomorrow to go to the g-sev summit, among other things to rally the other nations to support this new plan, to support ukraine as muc as possible including this new plan that he and macron have just agreed to involving seizing russian assets to help ukraine even more. and, you know, in the american aperture here, what s going on in our politics while president biden is trying to, you know, rally the free world, trying to strengthen our alliances as much as possible to lead collective international will against a rogue dictatorship that has invaded one big european country already and has its sights set on more, here at home, literally while president biden and other american leaders were headed off to europe for the 80th anniversary of d-day, while they were heading off to europe for that, what was happening in the american congress? a fifth of the republicans in congress just voted that we should leave our allies altogether. that we should break up the big western alliance, that we should defund nato. and i think nobody really paid attention to this vote because this legislation was put forward by a very fringe member of congress, a member of congress who is known for her publicity stunts and she s therefore she is easy to ignore. but it wasn t just her.y 46 republicans voted for this thing.ca a fifth of the republicans in congress last week voted to defund nato. don t just forget being the leader of the free world, forget the whole idea of there being a free world at all. they saved that for the anniversary of d-day. 46 republicans voting to defund nato. and as radical as that may seem, particularly when you think about where nato came from and why, the wing of the republican party that is pushing for this stuff, i mean, on its face, it seems unlikely they would have such sway. every few days we get a new mugshot of one of their leading lights because so many of them have been charged with crimes. today, it was their presidential candidate s personal lawyer, wh has had his law license suspended, who is under indictment, rudy giuliani s w mugshot just released today after he was arraigned in arizona. you can put it up on the wall with all of the other maga republican mugshots we have accrued over the past year. their presidential candidate is a convicted felon. today he had to meet with the probation office in new york ahead of his sentences. people at his rallies not only wear tshirts and fly flags that have his mugshot on them, they started carrying signs and wearing shirts that now say rr they re proudly voting for the convicted felon. at a rally this weekend, their presidential candidate described members of the mob of his t supporters who physically w attacked congress and injured dozens of police officers, he described them in a speech this weekend as, quote, warriors. his warriors. people who took part in that mob attack on congress. his warriors. while a few days ago, two police officers who were both badly injured fighting hand to hand with that mob to defend congress, to defend the u.s. capitol, those two police officers were jeered and booed by republicans in the pennsylvania state legislature. they jeered them, turned their backs on them and walked out. these are two officers who survived that attack, they were literally injured fighting for their country, defending our seat of government against a violent attack. but the republicans who jeered at them and turned their backs on them and walked out, they want the attackers freed. and they don t want to hear what these survivors of the attack had to say. don t want to hear from the survivors and the witnesses. you want the attackers set free. we are going through some weird stuff right now. but we have gone through weird stuff before. and i do think that we can learn from it and that we urgently need to. that s why i have been working on all these projects. that s why i ve got this new se podcast out and i hope you listen. but it s not just the distant past. in the very recent past when we got donald trump in the white house in the first place, you might remember what preceded that shock election result here in the united states in 2016. our shock presidential election result in 2016 was preceded that year by some shocking and surprisingly right wing election results in europe. including the brexit vote in e britain which happened just months before trump s surprise presidential victory here. i asked ben rhodes to please join us here tonight in the wake of what is now, again, another round of what seemed to be surprisingly right wing election results in europe this weekend.y was it right in 2016 to see right wing election results in europe as a harbinger of what was coming for us in the fall o 2016? as president biden balances his campaign responsibilities right now with back-to-back trips to europe, he just got back from europe, he heads back to europe again on wednesday. do the election results from europe right now, this weekend, have hallmarks that tell us anything about what to expect here and about how weird this is all going to get?ut president biden clearly sees ouo connections to europe right now as absolutely key to the futureo of the world. does what s going on in european politics right now tell us something to expect about the future of our world here? joining us now is ben rhodes. he s former deputy national security adviser to president obama, cohost of the pod save the world podcast. really great to see you. thanks for making time to be here tonight. good to see you. first, let me ask you for some of our viewers who may not have paid close attention to what was happening in the european elections this weekend, let me ask you two questions about them. do you think they re important for us to pay attention to? and can you just give us a rough characterization of what happened in those elections?za sure. these were elections for the european parliament. e so the european union wide parliament, so the only electiop that takes place every few years in which all of europe votes. it s a good barometer of where opinion is in europe. the two headlines are the far right made noticeable gains in the two largest countries in europe, france and germany.rg in france, the national front party, the far right party that used to be on the fringes of french politics, emerged as by far the largest vote getter in g this election and to build on what you re saying, this is a party that is not only far right, they have ties to russia. they have gotten a $10 million loan from russia in the past decade. in germany, the afd party, which has ties that go back into the kind of neonazi past of germany, they got over 15% of the vote, not a huge total, but very alarming given the source here. i want to be clear, in other parts of europe, the center did hold.ur i think the real concerning factor is in the two most important countries, france and germany, we saw these far right gains. do you think that it s right to look back at 2016 and see some of what was going on in politics in europe as a harbinger for the shock election result we got in the fall of r 2016 when trump won? do you think these election results should be read as a harbinger of what s coming down the pike for us this year? i absolutely do, rachel. the commonality between the brexit vote, the vote by the uk to leave the european union in 2016 and the trump election was that it was a it was a surprise.a people did not think brexit was going to win the campaign and they campaigned on a kind of right wing populist message. the slogan was take back control. they ran against globalists and liberal elites and against immigration and was very trumpy in its message, frankly. it kind of foreshadowed what we ended up dealing with in the fall here. i think the warning in this election, and you ask mead a wa question when i came on to talk about my book a few years ago about far right parties and their commonalities around the world, you asked what lesson should we learn. i always think about that. the lesson i take from this one is that their incumbent parties in germany and france that have defended essentially the status quo, emmanuel macron has been a defender of the european union. olaf scholz has been a defender of the liberal order. people are not listening to that message right now. you cannot defeat these parties, these populist insurgents be being the defenders of the status quo, but you have to tapt into people s dissatisfaction e with globalization, dissatisfaction with inequality. sense that things are slipping out of control. it s not enough to say we re the responsible adults here. you have to kind of get down and have a different message for how things are going to change. g i think that s the warning sign that joe biden should hear, nots enough to run on status quo here. not enough to defend even the things we think are very t important. you have to meet people where they are, and people are frustrated.d ben rhodes, former deputy national security adviser to president obama.t ben, thank you for making the time. i feel like when we need to like widen the lens a lot and look at america in the world, you re le almost always one of the first people i think of.s thank you for being here. thanks, rachel. i can t wait to check out the r we have much more ahead here tonight.e do stay with us. her uncle s unhappy. i m sensing an underlying issue. it s t-mobile. it started when we tried to get him under a new plan. but they they unexpectedly unraveled their “price lock” guarantee. which has made him, a bit. unruly. you called yourself the “un-carrier”. you sing about “price lock” on those commercials. “the price lock, the price lock.” so, if you could change the price, change the name! it s not a lock, i know a lock. so how can we undo the damage? we could all unsubscribe and switch to xfinity. their connection is unreal. and we could all un-experience this whole session. okay, that s uncalled for. so let s get down to the nitty-gritty here. georgia became this kind of bench mark for principled republicans refusing to go along with improper, un-american machinations from president trump. governor brian kemp, brad raffensperger, two very conservative republicans, both nevertheless stood up to personal pressure from trump to overturn president biden s win in georgia. and of course, all that pressure trump brought to bear on georgia republicans and the ways in which those republicans resisted, that formed the basis for fulton county district attorney fani willis filing a huge rico case against trump and 18 of his codefendants in georgia. that s one story of the state of georgia after the 2020 election. republicans standing up, the record of them standing up and what they had to stand up against forming the basis for this sprawling, damning criminal indictment. the other story of georgia since that election is all the work that pro-trump republicans have done to make sure nothing like that ever happens again. to make sure nobody can ever again get in the way of trump seizing georgia s 16 electoral votes, no matter what the votes say. the most obvious thing georgia republicans have done is use every tool at their disposal to derail fani willis prosecution of trump. in the latest development in that three republican appointed judges have just put the whole case on hold while they take their time considering whether fani willis should be disqualified from the case. thus guaranteeing that the georgia prosecution will definitely not go forward against trump before the election. but that s only the start. in georgia s most populous county, fulton county, one republican elections board member last month refused to certify the primary results there. because you know, elections are scary. with the help of lawyers from a pro-trump think tank, she has now filed a lawsuit seeking the power to block the certification of elections which would of course throw november s results in georgia into chaos. which is presumably the point. meanwhile, just north of fulton county, republicans recently started agitating to take over an elections board in cherokee county. now, the board there, like other counties in georgia, has always been evenly split between democrats and republicans, but republicans in cherokee county are no longer okay with that. they wanted a full scale republican takeover, when that was blocked, they comp with an ingenious new plan. they decided they would replace one of the democratic commissioners who had been nominated with their own choice. their own choice for a democrat. a new guy that none of the local democrats have ever heard of. but don t worry, the republicans who run cherokee county swear this guy they picked is definitely a democrat. the atlanta journal constitution reported that the republican cherokee county commission chairman, quote, assured the board that the new member is a democrat, even if the local democratic party is unfamiliar with him. i assure you, he s definitely on your team. i know you have never met and i picked him, but trust me. pinky promise. meanwhile, at the state elections board in georgia, republicans there just started writing a new rule that would allow county elections boards to conduct a, quote, reasonable inquiry before they certify any election results. so instead of signing off on election results as county election boards are now required to do by law, they would be empowered instead to investigate those results as they see fit. the journal constitution notes that, quote, the proposed rule doesn t say what a reasonable inquiry would entail before certifying an election. yeah, why would you specify that? you want every election denying republican county elections board member in georgia just making it up as they go along, calling their own behavior reasonable. while the presidential election potentially hangs in the balance. speaking of that state elections board, one of its republican members was ousted last month, one of its republican members was ousted, after trump reportedly spent months calling georgia republicans insisting that that election board member had to go. because that person was not backing trump s lies about the 2020 election. and so of course, the guy had to go. trump s personal involvement in remaking the georgia state elections board is just one of the revelations in new reporting from rolling stone. their new piece is headlined georgia is our laboratory. inside trump s plan to rig 2024. it details how trump s allies are working to make sure there will not be a straightforward election result in georgia this year, given georgia s swing state status that absolutely could be a deciding factor in how the election is going to go down. what is happening there? what is happening to try to stop what is happening there? one of the reporters on that rolling stone piece joins us next. stay with us. stay with us are you still struggling with your bra? it s time for you to try knix. makers of the world s comfiest wireless bras. for revolutionary support without underwires, and sizes up to a g-cup, find your new favorite bra today at knix.com the ultimate authority is the voter. the secretary of state was re-elected by the voters of the state by a larger margin than any other excuse me. order. order. by a larger margin than any other state-wide office. the voters order. have demonstrated their faith and therefore i do not believe that at present, we have the authority to oversee or investigate the secretary of state. georgia s board of elections gathered to discuss launching an investigation into georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger who had the temerity to say no when donald trump demanded he flip the results of the 2020 election in georgia. the lone democrat on that elections board spoke out against doing this unprecedented investigation of raffensperger. as you heard, she was loudly shouted down. in a new article titled georgia is our laboratory, inside trump s plan to rig 2024, rolling stone reports this. quote, the former president and his supporters have been making concrete step by step progress in shaping electoral processes to his benefit. across the state, maga die hards are devoting considerable resources to purging voting rolls, intimidating election officials, employing legal dirty tricks, and ousting appointees who haven t been initiated into the cult of trump. it s the state where the republican party has total control over the levers of power. over the last four years trump loving elements of the georgia republican party have wielded that advantage in a crusade to turn election conspiracy theories into policies. it s an alarmingly anti-democratic experiment that trump planned and much of the republican party hope to take national. joining us now is adam ronsly, the reporter co bylined on that sprawling piece. thank you for being here. thanks for having me. so what are some of the steps that trump and his allies have taken to change the electoral process in georgia? so one of the most alarming ones that a source who has discussed this issue with trump told us, a republican attorney, is they re planning to challenge the election result regardless of the result. you know, we think of the threat to elections from trump s behavior in 2020 as only occurring in the event that trump loses. you know, at the current state of polling, trump is ahead in georgia, if you believe the polling, but what republican attorney who discussed this with trump told us is that, quote, you can t let the left get away with this cheating just because it didn t succeed, air quotes around cheating. and the plan is to challenge the result regardless of the outcome. and the intent behind that is essentially a permanent delegitimization of the election process. it s heads, i win, tails you lose. and i think you had mentioned this a little bit in your intro, is that one of the things people should be paying close attention to is that refusal to certify in the fulton county board of elections in the presidential primary. because one of the things that s very, very notable about that is that the attorneys who filed that lawsuit work for america first policies institute, which is a very trumpy organization filled with former trump folks. and what you see in those kinds of processes is the legal january 6th in miniature. essentially you re taking someone who is, you know, acting beyond their brief and trying to essentially insert themselves into the counting and, you know, assessment of vote tallies. adam, is this actually a fight in georgia? you note, i think, importantly, that georgia s a place where republicans control all of the levers of power. we just played the sound of one democratic member of the state elections board getting shouted down when she objected to what they were trying to do in terms of targeting raffensperger. is this fight joint where there is pushback against what they re doing or are they essentially running the table by changing processes to their own benefit? you know, they definitely have quite a built-in advantage. and i think that s why georgia relative to other battleground states is particularly interesting because it is more so than perhaps any other state a fight for the soul of the republican party. particularly when it comes to their faith in free and fair elections. and yeah, even folks like brian kemp, who was an absolute obstacle to trump s attempt to, you know, illegally overturn the election in georgia, brian kemp signed sb-202, a law that allows for a range of, you know, sort of procedural chicanery. joe biden called it jim crow in the 21st century. you know, even folks who have proven themselves to be obstacles to some of the more overt aspects of it sometimes will just go along to get along. and so they definitely do have an advantage. and they are running the table in certain ways, but you do see folks like you mentioned earlier, like ed lindsay, whose resignation letter we obtained in the story. people like that, you still do have these kind of principled republicans who are willing to stand up for what they believe in, but as you saw with the case of ed, you know, he had to resign under a great deal of pressure from not just president trump but from the grassroots of the party who believe in a lot of election conspiracies. yeah, the bare fact that a presidential candidate is personally lobbying to remove individual state elections board members ought to be on the front page of every paper of the country. been reported by adam, reporter at rolling stone. adam, the by-line reporters on the piece, georgia is our laboratory, thank you for helping us understand this. thanks for doing this work. would love to have you back. thanks so much for having me, rachel. i appreciate it. we ll be right back. stay with us. stay with us i m gina. i want to talk to you about golo and how it has changed my life and how it can change yours too. like many of you i ve been dieting and failing half my life. and each time i would diet i would quit and my weight and health would get much worse. i had to do something. i saw a golo commercial, i talked to my doctors, and i ordered. like me, the golo success stories are real. give golo a shot. you won t be sorry. could have been the heat, i suppose. temperatures were over 100 degrees at his outdoor campaign rally in las vegas yesterday. so hot, six people had to go to the hospital, and another two dozen had to get medical treatment on site. could have been the heat, i suppose. could also maybe have been that he was nervous about the fact that he was less than 24 hours away from his first meeting with his new york state probation officer. that meeting could be particularly nerve-racking for him because, you know, one of the things a probation officer asks you after you re convicted of felonies is if you have been associating with anyone who has a criminal record. that s worth noting because if he is ultimately sentenced to probation next month while he s on probation, he would not be allowed to associate with anyone with a criminal record. for a lot of people, that wouldn t be a big deal. for him, that s a big deal. that particular restriction eats away at his very close social circle. so maybe that was all distracting him. i don t know. he maybe had a lot i don t know. whatever the reason, he decided to venture into new territory in his campaign speech yesterday, less than five months out from the election. this is an important swing state. he decided with the land locked citizens of las vegas needed to hear about from him in order to be persuaded to vote for him was his fear of boats. heavy boats, boats with batteries near sharks. you know, nevada sharks. i know you have heard it happened. you may have seen a headline or scrolled past it on a social media feed. have you actually watched it? uncut, straight through, watched it unfold? it is very much worth watching. it s astonishing. my favorite part is the people you can see at the rally behind him who are really trying to follow along but who clearly have no earthly idea what uncle ramble standers is on about. just watch this. what would happen if the boat sank from its weight? and you re in the boat, and you have this tremendously powerful battery, and the battery is now underwater, and there s a shark that s approximately ten yards over there? by the way, a lot of shark attacks lately. did you notice that? i watched some guys justifying it today. well, they weren t really that angry. they bit off the young lady s leg because of the fact that they were they were not hungry but they misunderstood who she was. these people are crazy. he said there s no problem with sharks. they just didn t really understand a young woman swimming. really got decimated and a lot of other people. i said so there s a shark ten yards away from the boat. ten yards. or here. do i get electrocuted if the boat is sinking, water goes over the battery, the boat is sinking. do i stay on top of the boat and get electrocuted or do i jump over by the shark and not get electrocuted because he didn t know the answer. he said, nobody has ever asked me that question. i said i think it s a good question. i think there s a lot of electric current coming through the water, but what i would do if there was a shark or you get electrocuted, i would take electrocution every single time. i 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convicted in his criminal hush money trial. what sources are saying about what happened during that private proceeding. plus authorities release a new mug shot of rudy giuliani as
that is tonight s the last word. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. tonight, donald trump met his probation officer. we will look at a key step as sentencing approaches. the fate of hunter biden is in the hands of a delaware jury. nba legend steve kerr is here and why he speaking out about the stakes in the election as the 11th hour gets underway. good evening once again. we are 148 days away from election. today, one of the leading candidates for president met with his probation officer. donald trump brush off his guilty verdict set for a standard presentencing interview this afternoon, there was nothing standard about how this interview was held. trump got special permission to attend virtually from florida and to have his attorney todd blanche present. he s been complaining for months about it two tiered system of justice and he is right. is new public defenders pointed out today, most people do not get to login remotely from a resort in florida to talk to their probation officers. as for is what happens in these interviews, probation officers generally ask about financial resources, mental health, and any links to other convicted criminals. they also have to ask if you feel remorse for the crime you were convicted of. meanwhile, in delaware, the hunter biden firearms case went to the jury after both sides made closing arguments. hunter biden chose not to take the stand. here is ryan nobles with more. reporter: tonight, it s in the hands of the jury. six men and six women deliberating the fate of hunter biden, the first child of a sitting american president to be charged with a crime. many members of the first family in the courtroom throughout the trial. all of this is not evidence. gesturing around the courtroom and in the direction of first lady jill biden in the first row. people sitting in the gallery are not evidence he said adding no one is above the law. the special counsel s office use the president s son of lying on a federal back on check by checking the box claiming he was not an active drug user to purchase a gun. prosecutors used evidence from his laptop and called 10 witnesses, many describing hunter biden s frequent drug use including around the time he filled out the background check in october 2018. hunter biden s ex-wife testified she found drug paraphernalia inside his car in october 2018. his ex-girlfriend who was dating him at the same time singing hunter was smoking crack every 20 minutes or so. the evidence was personal. it was ugly. it was overwhelming he told the jury today. it was also absolutely necessary. defense attorney abbe lowell argued they focus too much on his drug abuse over a four year period and saying no one witnessed actual drug use during the window of time he purchased the gun. with that, let s do smarter with the help of our leadoff panel. pulitzer prize for investigative reporter with the washington post sam stein acerra veteran federal journalist and white house editor for political and a neighbor of carol. former new york prosecutor and civil rights attorney charles coleman jr. is here. you know it s a big night so you get first crack. donald trump met with his probation officer. help us understand the purpose of these interviews and how do they go and what do we know about what was asked in this one? when your probation officer will ask you questions, what they re trying to understand is what your setup is around your life. how do you live. what your financial resources are and what would be the impact of a particular sentence of a judge decides to send you to jail. are there people who depend on you? are you associating with other criminals which we know in the case of donald trump, he is. we could go down the long list. steve bannon, roger stone, michael flynn, the list goes on and on. one of the things a probation officer is looking to ascertain, and you talked about this, is whether you have any understanding and/or appreciation for the crime you re actually committed up. i think donald trump has a difficult tightrope when it comes to everything he said in the public around this persecution rather than what he knows is actually in the prosecution by the das office, and that will be something that will be hard to get around. the probation report is going to be something the judge takes into account when they make their decision around what sentence they ultimate ultimately oppose. they will make the recommendation and trump s attorneys will argue for as lenient of a sentence as possible. sam, donald trump has been arguing for months and months that there s a two cheered data tiered justice system and its benefiting him. he got to meet virtually with his probation officer. his lawyer was there and when he speaks at his rallies he s always saying i am doing this for you. i am standing here for you. but any trump supporters were in his position, they would not get the special privileges. why do they keep buying this? you are right. when you think back to the gag order that was imposed on trump at various points in the criminal case, that was almost done with reluctance compared to what it would ve been for any other person in the justice system. obviously, donald trump is a unique person in the justice system that he s running for president currently. it makes sense that some leeway is given to him. the justice system works in his favor and i would argue the second story, hunter biden s story, it is not a justice system. the presidents own department of justice is bringing a case against his son. if there was a thumb on the scale of the justice system on the part of president biden, one thing he would do it to alleviate the burdens on his son and maybe let it go away and the president sat back and watched this progress to the point where we will probably get a verdict in the next day or so. carol, get it s been a crazy last eight years and people have become desensitized. it is not even remotely normal for the presumptive gop nominee to be meeting with his probation officer. what is your reaction to this extraordinary moment in american history? i ve thought a lot about that and how numb the country has become to everything that we have watched in the last eight years. nobody can forget and yet we almost act like it was no big deal when then republican nominee for president, donald trump, was caught on live tape talking about grabbing women in the using a course word and saying he could get away with it because he was a celebrity. starting then and continuing on, it was like a starting gun of every other week, every other two weeks, revelations about donald trump as candidate and as president that made us all gasp and wonder, can he survive this? donald trump is the republican nominee for president again. he is the front runner in this race by many polls, and he is a felon who has been convicted of 34 counts of crimes in the state of new york. the city and the town, where he once ruled. all of us are like, oh, yeah, that s how it is. that s sort of the standard now for the last eight years. it s important for us all to step back and remember that no president and no former president has ever been charged with a crime and now we have one who has been convicted and is seeking to return to the white house. charles, an appellate lawyer wrote that donald trump s chances of winning an appeal are pretty slim. what do you think? i think so. when you talk about what it is to appeal a jury verdict, the first thing people need to understand its an rare occurrence that the system will look at the decision that is made by our constitution where you get a chance to have your case heard in front of a jury of your peers, which donald trump did, and override that decision absent some extreme miscalculation by the judge or extreme actions by one of the attorneys. judge merchan does not get enough credit for the way he ran this trial. i think he was aware that all eyes needed to be dotted and all his teas needed to be crossed and that s why he did on such a run such a tight ship to make sure there were as few issues for appeal as possible. that doesn t mean donald trump s attorneys won t seek to find an issue but the likelihood of being successful is slim to none. sam, dal bragg says he will testify before the house about the trump case but most likely not until after donald trump gets sentenced. he knows what he is going to face with house republicans. how do you think he will handle this? i mean, we knew the house republicans were going to do this. they signaled they want to protect donald trump and want to go after the prosecution. there has been overtures they want to defund jack smith for instance. bringing alvin bragg to the hill is something we should ve expected a long time ago. i m surprised they didn t push harder prior to this. i would point to the fact that a jury trumps peers made the determination he was guilty of 34 counts. that s the aspect of the american justice system that trump was right to defense and he was given defense. there will be questions about, who was on his team and funding them? what it comes down to is this is how the american justice system is designed to work. trump at his day in court and had his defense. that is that. the decision was made by a jury of 12 and you have to live with it that s what we do. charles, let s shift to what sam was talking about. the hunter biden case. what did you make of both sides, closing arguments, and hunter not taking the stand? it didn t surprise me that hunter biden did not take the stand for a number of reasons. number 1 comments difficult for hunter biden to give testimony in any way that will try to exonerate him or at least defend against those charges without either incriminating him or at least admitting publicly about his substance abuse. i think that is something he wanted to avoid. i think his team wanted to avoid that and if you are looking at this, it s something that would not of been well for the biden administration to have in the headlines. not that that has an impact on hunter s actual case or charges per se, but i think it was part of the calculus here. with respect to what you heard from the prosecution, this was straightforward. many legal experts myself included understand that when the special prosecutor on the case that joe biden allowed to stay on the case brought the charges, that is, if anything that we ve seen recently is a mass political prosecution we have seen. i say that because for these federal charges to be brought, you typically don t see that absent some additional violent events involving the actual handgun or the weapon that is in question. that s not the case here. hunter biden is not charged with that because we don t have those facts. robert hur decided to bring the charges against hunter biden and the case for the prosecution is relatively straightforward. none of this surprises me. what the defense did a closing argument is you work with the facts you have. they don t have gray facts so they have to call into question the time line. i don t know if that will be enough for a jury to either acquit him or result in a mistrial. sam, the president has already said he will not pardon his son. if he is found guilty, he could be taken into custody . how is the administration, campaign, going to react to this? they have been hands-off about a. they are not hiding the fact this is taking an emotional cole, mental pool, on the president. he is a there. when you ask about present enough, they are hands off. there s discomfort in the white house to even talk about the issue with the president himself. he does not want to discuss it. it s not that he doesn t think it s a political fallout but it s too raw for him. the question, will republicans tried to capitalize on a guilty verdict, and if so, what manifestation? we have a debate coming up. it s not beyond the realm that donald trump will not try to use something during the debate and what we ve been surprised to see is how little republicans are talking about the hunter biden trial including trump himself. it doesn t come up that much. it used to be a topic of discussion but not recently. you wonder if that s because they don t want to draw attention to trump s own legal mishaps or tested it out and realize there might be boomerang effect where people are sympathetic or empathetic to joe biden if you go after his son, part of what the issue is, issue of addiction. carol, no topic. your paper, the washington post , has this story out over the weekend about the trump ally with a quote post constitutional vision for a second term. the man s name is russell, what can you tell us about this? beth reinhard on our national investigative team for this great reporting that presages the future and right donald trump presidency. the kinds of people he is entrusting to make the plans for his new administration. he was a deputy omb director and had been in congress as a staffer for a long time and other federal agencies. he knows his way around the legislative and the executive parts of our government. he is using that knowledge to broadly expand the powers of the executive, if trump takes office. to the point of saying he will find a way for the justice department to prosecute and imprison those who he feels is wrongly gone after the president in the past including journalists. that includes political figures think the biden family members. he has said rather he is said to confidantes that he would work very hard to loosen the military s ability to take action at the president s command to stop protests that are against the president. to interfere perhaps in elections. the military would be an entity the president could send it to domestic situations and something we have avoided ever since the horrors of kent state for example. it s a person who believes in the unitarian executive theory but is proposing things behind closed doors. he may end up being the chief of staff for the president. he is proposing things that send a chill up the spine of those who really study democracy and its norms. here s my head scratcher. there s a lot of conservatives who say they do not like trump what they like his policies. these are the same people who are all about small government with limited power. this, this man and this plan. isn t that the complete opposite of small government, limited power? this is big government with ultimate power. well, i think one thing you have highlighted on your program consistently, if i can give you a hat tip, is the idea of the hypocrisy. the republican party for as long as i have been a reporter which i m embarrassed to tell you how long it has been, has always been about criminal justice and serious tough law enforcement. it s been the party of being concerned about foreign adversaries, rough it russia chief among them but that s all out the window now with trump as president. putin is a great guy and the new republican party. he is a fan of donald trump therefore he is awesome. getting tough on criminals? not important anymore because we really want to support certain criminals who have been unfairly, and to use this in quotation marks, unfairly persecuted. that is the line the republican party is pushing. again, this notion of big government as being anathema to the government party is out the window as well. if it suits donald trump. that s the litmus test for republicans who want to stay in power. people can vote how they like but it s our job to shine a light so people understand exactly who and what they are voting for. carol, was great to see you. sam, charles thank you. nine months into the war and five americans are still being held hostage by hamas. why the white house is considering a new strategy for negotiations. after months in a dead heat in the polls with trump, president biden is revving up his engines and maybe even changing lanes. the 11th hour just getting underway on a monday night. da. with absorbine pro, pain won t hold you back from your passions. it s the only solution with two max-strength anesthetics to deliver the strongest numbing pain relief available. so, do your thing like a pro, pain-free. absorbine pro. norman, bad news. i never graduated from med school. what? -but the good news is. xfinity mobile just got even better! now, you can automatically connect to wifi speeds up to a gig on the go. plus, buy one unlimited line and get one free for a year. i gotta get this deal. i know. faster wifi and savings? .i don t want to miss that. that s amazing doc. mobile savings are calling. visit xfinitymobile.com to learn more. doc? nbc news has exclusive new reporting on a possible new strategy from the u.s. to negotiate the release of american hostages still held by hamas. it comes as we get new video the moment israeli forces rescued three hostages over the weekend. andrea mitchell has the latest. reporter: tonight, the dramatic moment when three of the four hostages were rescued. you can hear gunfire as officers approach a family home in the middle of a refugee camp. finding the hostages inside of back room. officers asking further names as the hostages answer back. andre, he says. the daytime mission leader resulting in a firefight the idf says as hamas seven fire on the hostages and rescuers as they escape. the high death toll of palestinians potentially complicating delicate cease- fire negotiations with hamas. secretary of state tony blinken in israel dominica must agree to a deal. israel accepted the proposal. the only party that has not accepted and the only one that has not said yes is hamas. that s who everyone is waiting on. reporter: they were taken during the terror attacks at the music festival. 26 years old who became the face of the hostage were. seen on the back of a motorbike being kidnapped. her boyfriend still held captive tonight. hugging her father and reunited with her mother who was terminally ill. a 21-year-old coming home just one day after his father died but arriving before his mother s birthday. i could not stop poking him. tomorrow is my birthday so i got my presence. thank you. a 40-year-old aunt 127. falling to his knees when he was reunited with his mom. while their celebrations in israel, and gaza there is morning. the hamas run gazan health ministry which does not distinguish between combatant and civilian death said 274 palestinians were killed in the rescue mission including 64 children, one woman telling our crew. my house is destroyed. reporter: this is nbc news reporting exclusively the u.s. is discussing a new move if cease-fire talks fail making a unilateral deal with of the most to release the remaining american hostages. negotiating through qatar and without israel. according to ginger current and former senior u.s. officials. my number 1 priority as secretary of state is to ensure the well-being of americans who are in harms way anywhere in the world. reporter: as your top priority, wouldn t indirect talks for the americans at least bring those americans home? the most effective way to achieve that, get them home, is through the proposal on the table. let s see if we get an answer from hamas. for more, peter baker white house chief correspondent for the new york times . is this a sign the white house is frustrated with the pace of negotiations between israel and hamas? obviously, it s been nine months and these american hostages have been there the entire time. the american government has deferred to the israeli government when it comes to dealing with the hostages. they have dual citizenship and israel is on the ground and united states is not. it suggests an in patients with the biden administration that its own hostage, american hostages, remain in limbo while netanyahu and hamas remain at odds over the cease-fire proposal. you heard secretary blank and say that it s hamas that has yet to accept this proposal. i think that s important point they want to make that israel has agreed to this despite the public ambiguity. right now, they re frustrated it s taking so long and seems to not be heading toward a conclusion and they seem to be willing to think of ways to get the americans at this point out if there s a way to do it. president biden is not the only one expressing frustration. benny gantz just resigned from israel s work cabinet saying it s a prime minister and he is standing in the way a real victory. what does that signal to you about the state of the war effort and prospects for new elections over there? it s a big deal and it s been remarkable to work cabinet has hung together as long as it did. benny gantz has run against netanyahu multiple times and the idea they sat together in this work cabinet is a remarkable situation. it s hard to imagine joe biden and donald trump sitting together in a unity government. at this point, he s decided enough is enough and it s not working. the prime minister netanyahu is an obstacle toward a resolution to the conflict rather than a leader. that puts netanyahu in an awkward position but it may require him to rely even more so on his far right-wing coalition to stay in power. he has to appeal to the parts of his coalition that he himself might affect comfortable in order to keep his majority they can avoid further elections. we will have to see where it leads. there s not much chance or at least not a lot of optimism for prime minister netanyahu they could win another election but he s been an enduring figure for a long time and israeli politics. let s stick with the right wing and change locations. you were just in france and when president biden was there, he spent a lot of time trying to reassure nato allies who are nervous about a second trump term. i want to know how his message was received and we keep hearing about our european allies, worried about trump, but there were a bunch of elections that took place last week in europe and they were big winds for the far right. it s not just a u.s. issue but it s happening over there as well. it s not just a u.s. issue. the european elections on sunday were a remarkable shift in power toward the right. you saw macron of france who host a president biden the night before at the state dinner where they held hands and effect in favor of establishment politics, and also rock that he s calling new elections in france himself to see if he cannot win over his own public where he is not very popular re-there. these guys will get together in italy at a g7 meeting and they will talk about these issues like gaza, ukraine, do. president biden has a low approval rating, his at home is higher than some of the other leaders who will be at the summit. there s a time when the establishment politicians of the major industrial powers are on their back heels a little bit amid this right-wing populism we are seeing in europe and the united states. peter, you always make a smarter. thank you for being here. when we come back, stubborn polls and has the biden campaign getting a read data revving up the race in the 11th hour. hour. if you re one of the millions of people with diabetes who suffer from low and high blood sugar, dexcom g7 is one of the easiest ways to take better control of your diabetes. my blood sugar would suddenly spike or really go low out of nowhere. it was really scary. 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(announcer) dexcom g7 helps protect against highs and lows. call now! the biden campaign is making big changes after listening to months of public and private concerns from democrats. their switching up the style and launching major policy initiatives both to lockdown voters already on board while trying to pull new ones in. i want to bring it msnbc contributor brian tyler: and former adviser to george w. bush and john mccain. were not talking one or two small changes. the president is revamping his policy portfolio and will refer to trump is a convicted felon and he sitting for interviews beyond traditional media. you to sit down with vice president harris. what do you make of these changes? i think it is smart. reach people where they are. people are getting their news from less traditional outlets and people are watching the news less frequently anyway and people are checking out. it s smart to reach these people where they are and find them where they are not paying attention to the more traditional issues. the biden campaign recognizes whatever it has to do as we head toward crunch time. this is not just about his base. it s nikki haley voters, independence, and never trumper s. the people who could make or break the election which is currently by a lot of polls in a dead heat while press former president trump is not looking beyond his base. will this work for biden? well, yeah, he has to look beyond the base. that s where the election will be decided. i remember when the bush campaign was in trouble in 2000. we had to do a reset and we got pushed into it. we didn t want to do it and ultimately we decided we needed to because we had to. part of it was making changes but a big part is doing a reset for the press and the larger public to say, we heard the message. we are doing things differently. it makes sense practically speaking and make sense of the speaking that you are sending a message that you heard the message and we are doing things differently. in this campaign, it s so razor thin that biden has to do everything right and this is one of them. this is good. one of the things he needs to do is turn up the volume on the things donald trump is saying. they are seizing on some of the comments that trump made it his nevada rally this weekend. i will share a bit. you feel that? i don t want anybody going we need every vote. i just want your vote. i don t care about you. what i just heard him say, i don t care about you. i just want your vote. did the rally attendees here this? what? did they hear that? they have selective hearing. donald trump can say anything on god s green earth and they will cheer on cue. it s important that americans more broadly here it because that s him giving the game away. he doesn t care about anybody. trump s only goal is to keep himself out of prison. to make prosecutions against them go away. he has brought forward no plans to lower costs. nothing to lower health care costs. nothing to increase the amount of jobs. he has no plans for housing or inflation. his campaign is predicated on keeping himself out of prison, out of the courtrooms, and making the cases go away. and a revenge tour against the people who deign to hold him accountable for his crimes. it s a rare instance, less rare these days because he has a proclivity to see the quiet part out loud. he is saying it. if you want an example of someone who treats supporters with nothing but contempt, it someone like donald trump standing there on that stage and basically telling them what he thinks about them. what i like to hear about is the truth mark and billions of dollars in infrastructure funding has made its way across the country thanks to president biden s massive infrastructure bill now law. suddenly, we are seeing some house republicans taking credit for these jobs that were created but for facts say, the same republicans voted against the bill. to their constituents who might not pay attention to traditional politics or watch the news, do they know the new truth? these guys are taking credit for things they voted against. they are not going to hear the truth. let me make another point on the las vegas speech and the ad. there is another ad i think the biden campaign which is the best of the campaign which is donald trump in his voice talking about veterans. i think they should leave that up through election day. it s spectacularly good and impactful. trump has been complaining about it and we call that as hit dogs barking. you know he s feeling the pain so it is working. as a former ad guy, the most effective thing you can do is not say what you think the person said but let them say what they said themselves. it is great. brian, i want to go back to the infrastructure point. if you the biden campaign are running and local elections, what do you do about the fact that you have some house republicans patting themselves on the back, taking credit for passing things they voted against? i think they done an effective job at exposing these people. biden said it out loud when he was in lauren boebert s district that she tried to take credit for the infrastructure plan. it s getting into these districts and doing the side-by- side. the media has been great about showing side by sides where it s donald trump railing against toilets not flushing and trying to keep himself out of prison and biden talking about $35 inhalers. $35 insulin and $2000 a month health care plans and things that will impact regular people. they been good about that side- by-side but it s getting out there and hammering the message over and over and over again. they often say what is the one thing that a politician did to change your life or help you in some way? you got to show people. thank you both for being here. stay up for this. coach steve kerr when he talks, everybody listens. the nine time nba champion is here next. is being endorsement in the selection and is taking caitlin clark s first month in the pros. pros. switch to shopify so you can build it better, scale it faster and sell more. much more. take your business to the next stage when you switch to shopify. are you still struggling with your bra? it s time for you to try knix. makers of the world s comfiest wireless bras. for revolutionary support without underwires, and sizes up to a g-cup, find your new favorite bra today at knix.com hi, i m jason. i ve lost 228 pounds on golo. and sizes up to a g-cup, changing your habits is the only way that gets you to lose the weight. and golo is the plan that s going to help you do that. just take the first step, go to golo.com. in the last 10 days, we have had elderly black people killed in a supermarket in buffalo. asian churchgoers killed in southern california and now we have children murdered at school. when are we going to do something? ! i am tired. i am so tired of getting up here and offering condolences to the devastated families out there. i am so tired of the excuse i m sorry, i m tired of the moments of silence. enough. steve kerr is best known as an nba champion player and coach. most sports fans know him as a fantastic communicator and every postgame press conference where he broke through and spoke to america was when he spoke from the heart after the mass shooting in uvalde, texas. last week, steve kerr announced he will be endorsing joe biden for president and we will find out why. he joins us now. it s a pleasure to see you. tell us why this endorsement and why now? it s clear that president biden is interested in implementing gun safety measures. common sense gun violence prevention measures. i have been doing a lot of work the last 10 years with a lot of different gun safety prevention people like brady, giffords, sandy hook promise, march for our lives. i have learned so much and i know we can prevent lives. president biden is adamant that he is going to push for commonsense laws that can do that. i know trump will not do that, and so it s a simple choice for me. are you voting for joe biden against donald trump? i am voting for joe biden. i think the biggest thing for me, everybody needs to vote their conscience. i am voting on a few issues, but this is the main one. i lost my father to gun violence when i was 18 years old so i know how much pain people go through every single day in this country. i know gun violence is the number 1 killer of children in america. i know there is so much we can do about this. i think most people out there agree with me whether you are republican or democrat. 80% of people in this country want universal background checks , doesn t matter your political affiliation. we can do this but we have to steer the cruise ship. it will take time. we need to implement laws that the vast majority of our country want and president biden is willing to do the work to try to get those changes. you have said in the past that before you lost your father, as you said when you were only 18, you felt her life was impenetrable. nothing could get you down and bad things did not happen to you. what do you say to the folks out there who thinks gun violence is a problem but it will not affect their life so they don t make it a voting priority. you just don t know. it s such a common occurrence. the chances are likely that you will not be impacted, but there s a good chance that you will also. that is a scary thought. i have a granddaughter who is 18 months old. i am thinking about when she goes to kindergarten and she will have to go through mass shooting drills, and the trauma the kids all across america go through just from those drills and the possibility of facing that kind of situation. it is so traumatizing, and it s a terrible thought that all our children are feeling this way. again, we know that comm laws save lies. they absolutely do. there s so much we can do and it s my civic project that i like to work on is trying to help get, as i said, the ship moving. it will take a lot of work. it s up to us as private citizens to insist the government take the necessary moves to make that happen. there s a lot of public figures who share your views. many did endorse president biden in 2020, but many are staying quiet now. expressing public views right now is getting more and more difficult. the backlash is real. this is not going to be easy for you and you will get heat by all sorts of people. why did you decide to speak out? it s too important to save lives and it s important to do something that s important for our country. not that i can do anything by myself, but i do have a platform. if i can get the message out there, it is so important for families to talk about this issue. neighbors, friends, this is not an attack on the second amendment. this is about implementing things that can save lives. again, it could be your own child. your own mother or father, could be you. we have to understand the gravity of gun violence in our country and not just pass it off as this is the price of freedom. that s what a lot of people say. we have to have the freedom that the second amendment provides us, but it should be kids able to go to school and not being afraid. there are ways to do this. we can protect the second amendment and protects citizens with simple laws. we just have to get everybody on board. it is such a political hot button but it s not a common thought in our country that this is a controversial issue. it is not. 80% of people want universal background checks. we should have that, and that alone would save hundreds if not thousands of lives every year in america. you said it right there. it s a political hot button but not when you go in people s homes and use it other tables and talk about what matters to them. i do want to talk about something else that matters to you that you know a lot about and that s obviously basketball. you played with michael jordan. you know how this superstar was treated early, and the attention he got. given your first-hand knowledge, what do you think of caitlin clark s treatment so far in the wnba? i think it is a rite of passage for young players whether the wnba or nba. other players will test you. she reminds me a lot of steph curry. a lot of people may not remember this but in his first couple of years he was not a superstar. he is not who he is now. he had to get stronger and had to understand people were coming after him. that is what is happening with caitlin right now . it s all in the name of competition. she is handling herself beautifully. she is an amazing player but like every college player who comes in, it takes time and they ve got to get stronger and more used to the contact, physicality and athleticism. she will be fine and everything she s going through now is part of being a pro. what do you think of the fact she won t be at the olympics? i am so excited. i am sorry that she won t be there but she ll have a great chance in four years. when you put these teams together, all you care about is winning. it s probably going to take caitlin a couple of years to be at the top echelon. the women s team is taking the 12 players they think can help bring home the gold and that s with the men s team did. that is the name of the game so no politics in the olympics. we just want to win. and i sure hope you do this year. nobody remembers when steph curry was not an absolute superstar. it s always great to see you and thank you for joining us tonight. we will have more of the 11th hour. 11th hour. rt working on contact to target tough pain at the source. for up to 8 hours of powerful relief. new advil targeted relief. hi, i m jason. i ve lost 228 pounds on golo. for up to 8 hours of powerful relief. i don t ever want to go back to wearing a 4xl shirt or not being able to climb up stairs without taking a break. so i m committed to golo for life. thank you for watching. we were just talking about the summer olympics, it s worth noting, that minutes from now, we will officially be two years out from the 2026 world cup that will take place right here in the u.s. after 30 years, and you can stream all the action live on telemundo and peacock so get your countdown clock started now. on that note, i wish you a very good night. from all our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thank you for staying up late with me. okay, there is a lot going on tonight.
has the latest. the hottest abbreviation in tech these days is easily ai. apple is taking shot at redefining artificial intelligence into apple intelligence. the company unveiled a series of micro when related announcements at its worldwide developers concerts on monday chief among them a partnership with the artificial intelligence juggernaut openai. that will allow apple to integrate start up s cutting edge chat bot chatgpt into its devices including a superpowered series. the voice assistant will be available with chatgpt features for free later this year. other new additions include ai generated images of a mode help with proofreading in tone adjustment. these announcement are the big stand apple integrating ai features that have captured viewers attention and spending the big bucks rewarding terms that are not onlyjumped up but rewarding the ai bandwagon like nvidia that makes the chips that powers the ai revolution. overtaking apple itself to become the most viable company in the world by market value position. microsoft which has its own long standing partnership with openai remains the most valuable. apple s entrance into the artificial intelligence space may be viewed as late, when compared to rivals like microsoft and google. but experts say this could herald in a new frontier for the technology. i have been speaking tojulie ask , an independent technology analyst. a few things stood out from the conference for me. first, with the announcement from apple that they are going to invent generative ai into so many of their devices applications and experiences the offer to consumers, they remind us with most of the valley with large language value is still at the application layer. they also remind us that generative ai isjust one portion of the experience. consumers do not go out and buy generative ai, they buy or invest in experiences which generative ai can make better. the third thing they remind us of this entry to the market is having access and owning a relationship with the consumers is essential for any kind of success and today apple has over two billion devices installed. where do you see the company now in the ai race, still playing catch up? i would say yes and no. do not believe apple is late to the ai race, it is later at an expected to incorporate ai into its experience but apple has vintages of the companies do not. the first is when it comes to consumer pots personal contacts is so important and apple may have more context than any other entity. at the first iphone launch they had 16 native apps now it has at least 30 including my health information, my banking, my fitness, my e mail, maps, my shopping, all the things that i do. so when we think about the usefulness of generative ai at a personal level, it is one thing to ask the internet, what is the best pizza to eat, it s a different thing to ask someone who knows me well. so i would say that is one of the first points. going further down the list, it certainly reminds us of privacy matters and apple is good at that. consumers do not buy technology, they invest in utilities into entertainment. consumers also would use love interface, this is not about chabad or a verbal interface with an application, generative ai will do things like create and analyse so apple is really showcasing the broad set of use cases in the way that generative ai can upgrade experiences. how are you seeing apple placed in china, it has been lacking, but do you see the demand for al making up for that? i think it will be hard with generative ai in china because these models will not translate one for one. it does not like they can t do something for translation, but they were not trained for chinese data, openai is not available in china, there is biases, issues with the language so i think we are still in a bit of a week and see in terms with these announcements need today for those consumers that own these devices in china. tesla ceo elon musk has reacted to apple s announcements. he says apple devices will be banned from his companies if it integrates openai at an operating system level. in a post on his social media platform x, he said allowing the devices would be an unacceptable security violation . mr musk was one of the founders of openai in 2015. but he has since sued the company for allegedly deviating from its non profit mission. turning to china, that makes most of the world s electric cars and ev batteries. a flagging economy has driven some chinese carmakers to expand overseas. but with cheaper chinese evs flooding the global market, the us has imposed tariffs on the vehicles. and the european union is widely expected to follow suit. hans greimel from automotive news gave us a sense of what s at stake. the us as you have just mentioned has a 100% tariff on exports from china and the eu is about to follow suit, although the import tariff rate is not expected to be as high. it is probably going to be around io 25%. that will probably be more than enough to offset the or to out cost the cost of exporting from china to the eu in terms of logistics and shipping. so that basically would reconfigure the cost equation that chinese auto makers face. given the influx of cheaper alternatives to chinese evs something widely reported and talked about, what can china do in the current scenario? probably one immediate impact you will see is a shift perhaps from exporting from china to the eu, instead they will now consider building more factories in the eu, to build locally and that would be one way that the chinese will probably try to get around the idea of doing that. you see this already happening with volvo. volvo was exporting some vehicles from china back to the eu. now they are thinking about re shoring, if you will, putting some of the factory capacity back in europe to feed the local market. over in the us, a senate panel is expanding a probe into bmw over its use of components from a banned chinese supplier. senator ron wyden found last month that the german carmaker imported at least eight thousand mini coopers into the united states, which contained parts from the chinese supplier. he is now inquiring whether the parts were found in any other bmw products. bmw did not immediately respond to a request for comment. the firm said earlier that it had taken steps to halt the importation of affected products. lack of affordable housing is a big issue across much of the world and with an election imminent in the uk, the subject has never been more important. the uk has the highest housing costs in the english speaking world. on average more than a quarter of disposable income is spent on housing. the bbc s economics editor faisal islam explores issues facing the housing sector. as the cost of living squeeze from energy and food costs starts to settle, there is no such luck with housing. mortgage and rental costs are still rising the latter by record amounts. this is a long term issue basic supply and demand as you can see at this new housing development in warwickshire. many of these new homes are going forjust over £300,000. that s bang on the average house price in this country. and we can see how that s changed over the past three decades or so no surprise to see that line going up and up. what has changed has been the relationship with affordability. back in the late 90s, five years worth of annual average income was more than the average house price. now, it s crossed over, the gap is massive and looks very difficult to bridge. it s all about house building. successive governments over years, over decades, have made big promises on house building, often not met. this is what s happened for england, over the past ten years, broken down per three month quarter. a similar pattern across the united kingdom. the conservatives made a promise in 2017, a manifesto commitment in 2019, to meet a target of 300,000 homes per year by the mid 2020s, so that s about 75,000 a quarter. and then there s planning. yes, so, planning permission has therefore been refused. up and down the country, in lengthy councillors meetings just like these, now recorded on council websites. applause. ..there are the familiar sight and sound of new homes not being built, planning permission refused repeatedly. the two main parties do differ here. labour says it s willing to build on specific areas of the green belt that are not so green they call the grey belt. ultimately, both for buying and renting, supply not responding to demand means higher housing costs, the most enduring aspect of the cost of living crisis. more news on openai, it has appointed its first chief financial officer. sarah friar was formerly the ceo of social media firm nextdoor. the company also named a new chief product officer on monday. and that s it for this edition of business today. thanks for watching. hello and welcome to sportsday with me marc edwards. bringing you the action from day four of the european athletics in rome. teams from across europe begin to arrive in germany ahead of euro 202a. south africa squeeze past bangladesh in four runs in a final over thriller in the t20 world cup. hello and welcome to sports day with less than seven weeks ago until the olympics, some contenders have been an action ahead of the global extravaganza in paris. our reporter natalie pirks rounds up reporter natalie pirks rounds up the stories from the italian capital. up the stories from the italian caital. ., , capital. another busy night environment capital. another busy night environment with - capital. another busy night environment with yet - capital. another busy night i environment with yet another gold for host italy to keep them on top of the metal table. on a british point of view, there were two medals, a silver for charlie dobson in the men s from a hundred metre and a bronze in the women s pole vault finals. charlie, another personal best in what was a fantastic season so far. that he was over the moon could not be happier to take silver
deliberating a verdict could come this morning breaking this morning, a suspect arrested for stabbing for americans in china the video censored on chinese social media. new questions this morning about what happened and why health experts expressing concern that a bird flu outbreak in the united states could become a much bigger problem there are a assignor is out today. i m john berman with kate bolduan. this is cnn news central happening now alive, look at the federal court in wilmington, delaware, where everyone is waiting for work when the jury now they will be resuming deliberations in hunter biden s federal gun trial. they met for only about one our yesterday. so maybe they have hours of work ahead, but word could come any moment really, the jury is weighing three felony gun charges against the president s son. that together here gray maximum penalty of 25 years if convicted, cnn s evan perez is outside the court, and then it was a big day of closing arguments yesterday. what s expected today? okay. we have the jurors reconvening this morning. as you pointed out, they they had about an hour of deliberations before the and at the de and the judge said they would just come straight back into the jury deliberation deliberation room and reconvene this morning and go through these three charges they they have a form that tells them the standards, the different elements that they have to unanimously agree on in order to reach a verdict. and those include of course the idea that 100 knowingly violated the law when he bought a firearm in october of 2018, that he knew he was addicted to drugs when he filled out that form and according to process to curators, when he lied in, be in order to be able to get through a background check those are the elements that are at the center of this. we saw the jurors yesterday after about an hour. they seem to have started forming a bond at a couple of them, walked out arm in arm as they exited, smiling. these are jurors who have been very, very attentive. they ve been taking notes during this trial over five days over really not a lot in dispute in this case. in the end, they re going to have to reach a verdict on someone who is very well known in this community. you saw the biden family come out in force for them yesterday, 33 rows of seats it s were taken up by members of the community, including an african american church that is doing a prayer service for him every morning, kate talk to me about some of the high points they came out during closing arguments and some of the final things really that the jury heard before they started deliberating yeah. look, it was a very, very tough battle really between this that the lawyers involved here, we had abbe lowell who is 100 attorney, who used a a series of presentations to list what he says. we re holes in the case on the part of the prosecution. he said these were all reasons for reasonable doubt. he also accused prosecutors of rehearsing with witnesses and he accused prosecutors also have been to nail bit noisy. naomi biden, who is a hunter biden s daughter, who testified here, one of the last witnesses and asking her whether she did rugs, something that really caused a lot of emotion from her and from her father that day. on the part of the prosecution, they said, look, hunter biden new, he was addicted to drugs. anyone who puts a crackpipe to their mouth every 15 minutes knows he s an advocate evan perez thank, you so much, kevin, as always, johnson, would this now cnn legal analyst, jennifer rodgers, counselor, we heard from evan there that the prosecution in their closing arguments may direct reference to people in the gallery which included at some points that first lady hunter biden s why biden family members in did so some people who are watching said pretty aggressively, what s your takeaway there? yeah, i was surprised at that. actually, i m not surprised that they address that he had so many supporters there, but i would have done it differently because the risk to the prosecution is that people really sympathize with hundred for biden. there s a narrow pathway for them to find him not guilty, but i think it does require them to really have sympathy for him to get there. and so i would have done it by saying you see, he has a lot of support. we all know addiction is a terrible thing. you might find yourself sympathizing with him, but your job as jurors is to follow the law you have taken an oath that requires you to put aside your sympathy and to look at the facts here. that s what i would have done instead of kinda point, they are not evidence. ignore them. i think that s handling it the wrong way because if they aren t, we don t know for sure, but if they are sympathetic to the biden family you re sort of guilty the jurors are your sort of yelling at them about that? yeah. it s not the right take. i mean, listen in order to acquit or even to hang at least some of them have to find this whole thing about did he knowingly make the false statement? and when you look at all the evidence around his use, not in those two weeks necessarily, but around that time. that s hard to do. so i do feel like the judges have the jury had to do a little bit of nullifying here in order to find him not guilty and guilting them into the sympathy is not the way to avoid that. the judge and the jury instructions seem to make pretty clear that the prosecution version of the law is the one to follow here, which is to say, we don t have to prove that hunter biden knew he was addicted the minute the pen hit the paper right there at that moment or that he was using drugs the minute the pen hit the paper at that moment that s right. and prosecutors always emphasized to use your common sense, right? someone comes out of rehab. they described themselves for years later is an addict. he knows he s an addict. use your common sense but you should find jurors walking hand in hand, eyelid courtroom. that s a little unusual. yeah, i haven t seen that before. they often do get close. they spend a lot of time together sometimes they are at odds, sometimes they re not. it s not uncommon for them to form friendships in the arm in arm, i really haven t heard before. maybe this is a particularly close group, but listen, they need to be closer at least in agreement in order to reach a unanimous verdict. so i suppose that s a good sign for prosecutors know i know people who write lifetime movies. i mean, this could be a good plot. his strange plot for the beginning of something kinda lifetime romance there. the jury is in delaware, which is a very democratic state in wilmington, which is a very biden city that binds have been there for decades it s in decades and decades yeah. how much will that play in the jury room? well, prosecutors are trying to avoid that. this is why they re saying things like, you know, ignore the famous people in the audience and the like, and the judge has told them the same, listen, you have to put aside your preconceived notions about who he is, who the families, and just focus on the law and the facts. but we of course, don t know what they really do in their own heads. and when they re discussing among themselves in the jury room. so we ll see they ve been in there for an hour plus minutes, six minutes, probably at this point, a long deliberation typically benefits the defense. i mean, the longer it goes, the more likely that it s hong it s a simple case, not very many witnesses, if they don t have a verdict today, it s bad news for the prosecutors will stand by. it could come at any moment. jennifer rodgers, thanks so much for being with us. appreciate it. thanks happening now, you re sicker of state. antony blinken is in jordan putting new pressure on all parties to accept a ceasefire and hostage deal where the negotiation stand right now, this must stop what attorney general merrick garland says, republican lawmakers are doing. the he says, is dangerous for democracy d. and this why martha s vineyard is running out of pot altered james is cold calculating, cynical, and needs the money not only was the cia compromise, he also was compromised secrets and spies nuclear games. sunday at ten on cnn can the riva support your brain health? 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are they looking after one guy who may be for now safe, very i don t know ten storeys underground somewhere in gaza while the people that he purported it s represent continue to suffer and across fire of his own making or will he do what s necessary to actually move this to a better place? to help him, the suffering of people to help bring real security to israelis and palestinians alike that one guy that secretary blinken is referring to is hamas military leader yahya sinwar. and there is new reporting and the wall street journal about messages purportedly from sinwar to ceasefire negotiators. one message reading, we have the israelis, right where we want them joining us right now is retired lieutenant colonel jonathan cohen, rica. he was the spokesperson for the idf before and after the october 7 attack. can we say how him on many a time he s now a senior fellow with the foundation of defense of democracies. colonel, thank you so much for being here. i want to get to that reporting from the wall street journal with some additional contexts in just a second, but first on what we hear from secretary blinken meeting with netanyahu and he also not only said there was consensus, he said that netanyahu reaffirmed his commitment and support of this hostage and ceasefire deal, as it s laid out so far, do you think they are closer than ever before to an actual deal we ve seen steps forward and then how do you read this? i sadly don t. and i m not as positive towards the whole development. i would love to see our hostages home are 120 hostages home? and i would want to see israel defeat hamas and return safety to southern israel and improve the situation in gaza but i think that if you re sinwar is in his text messages, he he hits the nail on the head. sadly. and for months hamas has been manipulating global public opinion using international politics. the differences between washington and jerusalem, and they have basically been able to stay alive and stay out of jail using the hostages for about 345 months and that s something that i think is the core of hamas strategy to delay and delay as much as possible using the hostages and kind of try to derail israeli operations in gaza so that the war will end without israel defeating hamas. that s the zero-sum game. and i think that s sinwar doesn t really have a strong incentive they ve to go ahead and release hostages and basically end the war because that is his best tool to stay alive and to keep hamas empowering gaza. let me ask you about that. so the wall street journal reporting, cnn is not seeing the wall street journal message. the message is that the wall street journal s reporting cannot confirm the authenticity of them. still, i want to read some more of the reporting from the journal. we have the israelis right where we want them. we read. it was one message and these are messages to the negotiators of the sea, to the ceasefire negotiators is what and this is another one in one message two, hamas leaders in doha, sin more cited civilian losses and national liberation conflict thaksin places such as algeria, where hundreds of thousands of people died fighting for independence from france saying quote, these are necessary sacrifices here s the thing. if this is the case, if this is the zero sum game that you re talking about, if this is the strategy how does israel take on hamas take out hamas deal with sinwar without playing into his hands that s a good question, and i think that the israeli strategy has been so far to try to get to sinwar, get to the senior leadership of hamas so far not succeeding probably because he is hidden underground with lots of israeli hostages surrounding him as human shields and so far what israel said he hasn t been able to do is to advance fast enough and to get to sinwar and basically decide the battle it took israel many months of staging in order to finally get into rafah. there was tremendous outcry and there were protests that israel shouldn t and mustn t go into rafah. israel easing enough. and there s no humanitarian catastrophe and there s no mass casualty event which proves that is can and should do what it s doing. here is a humanitarian crisis throughout gaza now you ve definitely yes, but i m talking there s not a slaughter and not a catastrophe like people warned that there will you think some have thought hoped maybe conjectured that the rescue operation from the weekend could have changed the calculus. they re getting three men out, men that were not supposed to be in the first batch of any ceasefire negotiation can getting those hostages. do you think do you think that changes the calculations are discussing for hamas? do you think that could scare them to the table it s a very happy event, but eventually it only proves that i think it strengthens the case of getting hostages out via negotiations because i don t think that is what has the intelligence capacity or the otherwise military capacity to get more hostages out like this, because this was a top of the shelf special operations with weeks of preparation, intel tip of the spear israeli commando units i ve got in gaza job done, got the hostages out and i don t think that will sadly have the ability to do so over and over again. and i don t think that it changes the calculation and i think that iran hizballah or a much bigger threat, you know, we re focused on gaza and small details in gaza. the big deal and the big threat to regional stability is hizballah against this. well, and if you look at where alarms or sounding most in israel, it s in northern israel and its rockets and drones, et cetera. and sadly, when you re talking about where israel situated, all it s all big crisis. it s all big alarms that are sound from hamas in gaza to the neighbors around with funded and funded and supplied and supported by iran on in terms of the motivation and position of prime minister benjamin netanyahu, blinken says that he reaffirmed his support for today, but president biden told time magazine in a very recent interview, and here s how he put it. there is every reason for people to draw the conclusion that netanyahu is prolonging the war for his own political gain what s your reaction to them? as an israeli, as a father two children who will soon be serving in the military. i really, really hope that isn t true. and i would like to see evidence that states the otherwise from my elected leadership. i think it s very important and what we lacked now in israel is unity and trust. we are as you rightly said, surrounded by so many enemies that are challenging or very existence. and what s the israeli public now is going through. this battle fatigue, eight months of fighting, relentless alarms and sirens and 100,000 people are evacuated from their homes. in northern israel. and the war goes on. we had four casualties reported just this morning. lots of pressure on israeli society and what s desperately needed is unity is leadership. and to take, carry israel forward in what i think will be the coming years, not months, the coming years will be very challenging you don t think president biden was so off off-base to say that? i don t know, but i really hope that israeli leadership gets its act together unifies, gets all of the parties in israeli politics that are zionist israeli, and want to live here safely and respectfully get themselves together and focus on the most important thing, which isn t political sustainability, but it is winning the war, defending israeli civilians, and making sure that israelis can go back to their homes as they lived before october the seventh jonathan can rica, so general. thank you so much for your time. thank you for having me thank you at least for us college professors are wounded after what s being described as a brutal stabbing attack in china, one person has now been arrested. what we are, we are learning this morning about that suspect, plus the new the big news from apple and you partnership with chatgpt gpt creator, openai, how the company plans to integrate ai into its products. we ll be back devastating and sudden power of tsunamis. it happened in far away lands and it s easy to think. it can t happen here if one hits home, we d be ready silent birth would liev schreiber, sunday at night on cnn. here s to getting better with age here s the beaten these two every thursday helped fuel today with boost type protein complete nutrition, you need without the stuff you don t. so here s two now let s get started no where s your mask? 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right, kate? the arrest is made yesterday, but we only learn about adjust tonight. so obviously there was a gap. and the explanation from police as to what prompted the suspect the suspect simply said he somehow ran into this group of american educators and somehow this prompted this stabbings. so obviously there are a lot of gaps, a lot of holes, a lot of questions i want to show you the scene of the stabbing we were there just a few hours ago. it s about 15 you may hike from where we are right now when we arrived, any evidence of the violence had been literally washed away. there were some stains on the ground where perhaps that blood was a contrast from the images that we saw shortly after we saw these injured americans laying on the ground covered in blood. that s in addition to this, chinese tourists who stepped in to intervene to try, to try to help this park in the middle of the city is very much reminiscent of a large park you would see you in any american suburb, there are trails, there s a train that goes through it, there s a temple. we ve seen a lot of retirees. we ve seen a lot of families this appears to be a very safe place as investigators tried to fill in the gaps in all of this it also is important to look at the current environment, right now in china, for americans, there is this rise of nationalism. it s something that i ve heard in conversations with chinese folks. it s something that is on social media but yet at the same time, we are hearing these overtures for the chinese government from present fusion thing to increase these educational exchanges between universities and colleges in the united states, like that one in iowa with china. in fact, xi jinping set a goal of 50,000 american students that come study here. so this point will have to see what happened here today. the single incident of perhaps dampers that enthusiasm finally, kate, as you mentioned, a lot of these images have been scrubbed from social media. in fact, we just saw a group of people here tonight in this park, gap of it around a phone who were learning about what happened for the first time, about 24 hours after it happened, it s been away from the headlines, sensor from the headlines until very recently, case mark. thank you so much for your reporting especially given in light of that. thank you, john. right. what makes donald trump walk on eggshells or maybe who errantly is taylor swift the revealing and some say bizarre new interview. and why health officials are keeping a very close eye on the bird flu outbreak in the united states hey, mom, how many should i decorated? 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this is going to resonate with the biden campaign believes that tackling gun violence is an issue of importance to young voters, but also to voters in black and latino communities. and so part part of president biden s goal today is trying to promote was his administration has done to try to tackle gun violence, including touting the bipartisan gun safety bill that he signed into law just two years ago. biden, today s specifically will announce the justice department has charged more than 500 defendants with violating gun trafficking and illegal straw purchaser so it seemed provisions that were part of that gun safety legislation. he will be speaking to survivors of gun violence as well as volunteers and activists at everytown for gun safety is conference it s here in washington, dc. this is one of those groups that s really risen in prominence in the wake of mass shootings in this country. the president also is expected to tout the drop hop in violent crime. the fbi yesterday released some preliminary data that showed that violent crime in the first three months of the year is actually down 15%. if you take a look at the number of murders in the country those three months, that s down by 26%. president biden has praised this, saying it s good news for american families and also arguing that this isn t happening by accident, promoted voting a his own legislative and executive actions relating to this. he said, quote, my administration is putting more cops on the beat, holding violent criminals accountable, and getting illegal guns off the street. and we are doing it in partnership with communities. he added as a result, americans are safer today than when i took office. so part of what the biden can campaign, the white house are hoping the president can do today is really tried to lay out the steps that he has taken to try to address issues relating to crime and also gun violence. it tom s as he s not just looking to rally his own base on this, but you also have former president donald trump, who has sought to rally republicans around a gun initiatives. he has vowed to undo many of the efforts that biden has put into place while he is an office, while the biden campaign argues that trump would simply be beholden to the gun lobbies so both men, in their own ways really trying to use gun issues as a way to rally their basis heading into november s election. or let thank you. john so this morning, what makes donald trump nervous or who the answer might be? taylor swift? so asked about taylor swift for an upcoming book, trump says, quote, i think she s very beautiful, actually, unusually beautiful. that s according to a forthcoming book from variety coder and chief from institute with us now cnn political commentator, democratic strategist, public gala, and cnn political commentator and republican strategist. sure michael singleton and paul, there are people who look at that comment and note it s a little strange from a guy who is going to turn 78 later in the week that maybe those are the types of things that he shouldn t be observing right there. but another way of looking at it is for a guy who will say mean things about anybody. he seems to be really careful when it comes to taylor swift right? what both are true. it s an incredibly creepy, i m sorry, i know it s morning. i just threw up a little bit. my mouth. when you read those quotes today, it s just disgusting thing and mr. corruption mr. trump should pay himself hush money. you should just shut up about taylor swift and you can tell he is scared of her trump understand celebrity. he understands the power celebrity that s how he got where he is. ms swift is far more powerful as a celebrity than donald trump ever dreamed. a big and so he s clearly scared of her. and i find that wonderful and amusing, even though the comments about her appearance deeply creepy. sure. michael, i was trying to think if there was another figure who people have politicians have had to walk on eggshells around. you have to be really careful with no matter what you say or how they feel about you. and i was sick. maybe oprah when oprah went behind barak obama in 2007, 2008, everyone, hillary clinton s campaign and had to be really careful than john mccain s campaign had to be really careful. i can t really think of everyone else, anyone else that would make a politician so nervous. i mean, john, i can think of one other person and i think that would be bianna. and i have to say this because my girlfriend were kill me if i did not. one other the person that i think a lot of politicians out to be very, very careful with the lead. i think a lot of these celebrities and younger voters, attractiveness to them not only because of their music, but their lifestyles and also the way they live vicariously by the politics that they adopt is certainly a pervasive thing. if you re a politician right now, trying to win the left section, which we know will be very close and you want to galvanize young people you certainly don t want to anger them by attacking some of the individuals they look up to and i think this is the case. we re taylor swift who is an incredible songwriter. so here s someone who galvanized is not only young liberals, john, but she also galvanizes young conservatives be in a former country star who s now i want to pop music. so there s an interesting dichotomy here. but i think the former president is trying to thread the needle on. i know the biden campaign would love it to taylor swift came out in public and endorse the biden candidacy like she did in 2020. they are waiting for that to happen. i was looking at the calendar, paul, i still can t wrap my arms around the fact that there is a general election presidential debate in like two weeks and yes, it is right here on cnn. and i m not doing this to promote the debate which is, i should note right here on cnn but it just shatters everything i know about presidential campaigns in its drawings. i covered george bush in 2000 and he disappeared for days before the first debate for debate prep in it, we learn later that he d been preparing like a ton for months before should these candidates deep into debate prep for what could be the most important presidential debate any of us have ever seen oh yeah, debates do tend to freeze the campaign and our president has to go to europe for g7 meeting and if i were campaign strategies for him, i would be tearing the last three hairs out of my head. but you can use that time on air force one. so let s watch them manifest on air force one. if my old pal ron klain, president s former chief of staff is on that trip. i mean, they re doing to bake prep on the plane. no one i ve done all my adult life. no one is better at debate prep than the president s former chief of staff, ron klain. but they do need to do. and by the way, so does mr. trump and i know he doesn t like it i shouldn t say this because debates are about expectations joe biden is going to climb donald trump in that debate. incumbent presidents rarely, rarely when the first debate, because they re used to having their rings kissed, shall we say? but mr. trump has talent. he does, and he s great at these rallies but he s never won a national presidential general election debate. he had to three against hillary, two gets biden in the polling, one or two point race, he consistently loses those debates by nine to 12 points. so honest earnest, free advice to mr. trump you need to hunker down and prepare for this. mr. mr. trump and i promise you, joe biden is you just broke the major one rule of pre debate expectations, right there. you re gonna get a golf. i spoke the truth apartment. i try never to do that with you, but once in a while sure. michael, if you are the trump campaign, a. the likelihood that they follow paul s advice and donald trump goes into debate prep. if you are donald trump or if you are the trunk campaign, what kind of prep would you have him do i mean luck in 2016, he had chris christie helping them out. chris christie and entrepreneur longer friends, so i don t think you can call up chris and say, hey, come and help us but i agree with paul. presidents usually don t do well during the first debate. so this is a very unique opportunity for the former president. and i think donald trump is really effective. john, at being able to communicate very simply in a simple way rather on issues that people really care about. so if you can figure out a way to drive and hone in that skill and more focused way on actual issues. i think the former president could potentially surprise people, but you have to be disciplined in order to do so. so i was spent a couple of days, maybe a week or so practicing these things, maybe some of his best zynga s figuring out a way to be more surgical with them during that one hour debate. and let s see what happens. but this could be, and i ll say this quickly, john. i don t think trump should debate president for a second time because to pause zero point presidents don t do well during the first debate, but they usually come back and knock it out of the park during the second debate. so if i m trump, i would try to hammer this in with a victory and say, you know what, that s it. i m not interested in debating number two. paul, very quickly share michael said the issues one of the issues is crime usually is an issue every four years and these new numbers out from the fbi, violent crime, going down, murder rate dropping dramatically could be the biggest drop. on record in one year how should the buying campaign talk about this in a way that it will connect with people absolutely. and i think it all about mr. trump catering to the most extreme and joe biden, big part of the mainstream are, let s report is right. young people and people of color really support the biden gun safety genic. guess what? so do older white people in the suburbs where trump is very weak and it s a web issue. you always just talking about wedge issues. this is a web issue. it s stick stitches together the base where joe biden frankly needs a lot of help, and the suburban college-educated swing voters were biden is surprisingly strong. once a republican stronghold, biden is really strong with those suburban at college-educated voters. so it s a great issue for biden to be touting. and mr. trump by the way, who can no longer even own a gun because he s a felon. he went to the nra and he said, i will be your loyal friend and fearless champion. so that s, that s the way to posit trump is as he can own a get himself, but he is going to be owned by the nra public, alice or michel saying, great to see both you. thanks so much good to see you, jack so health experts increasingly concerned that the bird flu could turn into a much bigger problem and martha s vineyard martha s vineyard? all the vineyards off the coast of massachusetts, running out of marijuana chasing life with dr. sanjay gupta listen wherever you get your podcast check it out. six my work from anywhere cozy grab yourself a drink is this dog food in your fridge? 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or is it is it not, is it there s something else and what they think at this point is that it s doesn t necessarily appear to be more severe. it may be that they, the third person got infected in a different way. first two people may have touched the surface than touch their eyes, which is what often happens. this the third person who is a farm worker in michigan may have actually inhaled some of the virus. that s worth paying attention to what they have not seen. kate. and this is a big thing that they look out for. is there evidence then it spreads as a result of those respiratory symptoms to another human human, to human spread. and so far at this point, they have not seen that, but that s what they re looking for. in short of that, what are the other red flags that they re wanting four yeah. i think one thing is to see a look are there other mammals that are starting to get infected? there s lots of different mammals that have been infected so far. but are there other ones as well? because each time you get new mammals that are infected, especially ones that are closer and closer to humans you may, the virus may mutate into something that can more easily infect humans and they, and could potentially spread among humans. but one of the big ways to figure this out is tested sting. and kate, we talked about this a lot during the pandemic. are we doing enough testing? and the answer right now with h5n1 is that we re not, if you test a lot of people and you say, hey, there s a lot of people that are carrying the virus, but they re not getting sick that s an important message. it may mean that this is not as deadly or is making people sick as we thought testing is the key to sort of get an idea of just how widespread this is. i talked to rick bright, who s a virologist and immunologists about this specifically. and here s what he said. i really think that s a tip of the iceberg. we are not doing enough testing or the even the right kind of testing. to get a better answer to that question is really unusual that we would find just one or two cases with so much virus prevalent and so many places as such, close contact to the source, such as the infected cow or the milk supply every virologists that you ve talked to says we need to be doing more testing just like we said at the beginning of the covid pandemic. so that has to happen. and then again, looking for human to human transmission. that s where a lot of focuses it s good to see you, sanjay. thank you so much and a new episode of chasing life with sanjay gupta, the podcast available right now, jump. then there s this a dog ran for help after his owner crash to call our into a remote steep ravine and a national park in oregon. the man was traveling with his four dogs when he crashed. one of the dogs was able to get free and then walked slash, ran nearly four miles to the families camp site rescue crews, put up a pulley system to get the man who was airlifted to safety the three other dogs were found alive at the crash site. we are effort and comment kate, from them. he was waiting for that. i was like and where are we? 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apple is taking its shot at redefining artificial intelligence into apple intelligence. the company unveiled a series of ai related announcements at its worldwide developers concerts on monday. chief among them, a partnership with the artificial intelligence juggernaut openai. that will allow apple to integrate start up s cutting edge chat bot chatgpt into its devices including a superpowered siri. the voice assistant will be available with chatgpt features for free later this year. other new additions include ai generated images and emojis and help with proofreading in tone adjustment. these announcement are the big stand apple integrating ai features that have captured viewers attention and spending the big bucks. rewarding terms that are not onlyjumped up but rewarding the ai bandwagon like nvidia that makes the chips that powers the ai revolution. overtaking apple itself to become the second most valuable company in the world by market value position. microsoft which has its own long standing partnership with openai remains the most valuable. apple s entrance into the artificial intelligence space could be viewed as late, when compared to rivals like microsoft and google. but experts say this could herald in a new frontier for the technology. i have been speaking tojulie ask, an independent technology analyst. a few things stood out from the conference for me. first, with the announcement from apple that they are going to imbed generative ai into so many of their device applications and experiences offered to consumers, they remind us with most of the valley with large language value is still at the application layer. they also remind us that generative ai isjust one portion of the experience. consumers do not go out and buy generative ai, they buy or invest in experiences which generative ai can make better. the third thing they remind us with this entry to the market is having access and owning a relationship with the consumers is essential for any kind of success and today apple has over two billion devices installed. where do you see the company now in the ai race, still playing catch up? i would say yes and no. i do not believe apple is late to the ai race, it is later than expected to incorporate ai into its experience but apple has advantages other companies do not. the first is when it comes to consumer personal contacts is so important and apple may have more context than any other entity. at the first iphone launch they had 16 native apps now it has at least 30 including my health information, my banking, my fitness, my e mail, maps, my shopping, all the things that i do. so when we think about the usefulness of generative ai at a personal level, it is one thing to ask the internet, what is the best pizza to eat, it s a different thing to ask someone who knows me well. so i would say that is one of the first points. going further down the list, it certainly reminds us of privacy matters and apple is good at that. consumers do not buy technology, they invest in utilities and entertainment. consumers also would use a lot of interfaces, this is not about chatgpt or a verbal interface with an application, generative ai will do things like create and analyse so apple is really showcasing the broad set of use cases in the way that generative ai can upgrade experiences. tesla ceo elon musk has reacted to apple s announcements. he says apple devices will be banned from his companies if it integrates openai at an operating system level. in a post on his social media platform x, he said allowing the devices would be an unacceptable security violation . mr musk was one of the founders of openai in 2015. but he has since sued the company for allegedly deviating from its non profit mission. turning to china, that makes most of the world s electric cars and ev batteries. a flagging economy has driven some chinese carmakers to expand overseas. but with cheaper chinese evs flooding the global market, the us has imposed tariffs on the vehicles. and the european union is widely expected to follow suit. hans greimel from automotive news gave us a sense of what s at stake. the us as you have just mentioned has a 100% tariff on exports from china and the eu is about to follow suit, although the import tariff rate is not expected to be as high. it is probably going to be around io% 25%. that will probably be more than enough to offset the, or to out cost the cost of exporting from china to the eu in terms of logistics and shipping. so that basically would reconfigure the cost equation that chinese auto makers face. given the influx of cheaper alternatives to chinese evs something widely reported and talked about, what can china do in the current scenario? probably one immediate impact you will see is a shift perhaps from exporting from china to the eu, instead they will now consider building more factories in the eu, to build locally and that would be one way that the chinese will probably try to get around the idea of doing that. you see this already happening with volvo. volvo was exporting some vehicles from china back to the eu. now they are thinking about re shoring, if you will, putting some of the factory capacity back in europe to feed the local market. over in the us, a senate panel is expanding a probe into bmw over its use of components from a banned chinese supplier. senator ron wyden found last month that the german carmaker imported at least 8000 mini coopers into the united states, which contained parts from the chinese supplier. he is now inquiring whether the parts were found in any other bmw products. bmw did not immediately respond to a request for comment. intel has paused plans to construct a 25 billion dollar factory in israel, according to calcalist, an israeli financial news website. responding to the report, intel told the bbc that the industry often needs to adapt to changing timelines. the firm said its decisions are based on business conditions, market dynamics and responsible capital management . it had received a grant for the factory from the israeli government in december amid the war in gaza. lack of affordable housing is a big issue across much of the world and with an election imminent in the uk, the subject has never been more important. the uk has the highest housing costs in the english speaking world. on average more than a quarter of disposable income is spent on housing. the bbc s economics editor faisal islam explores issues facing the housing sector. as the cost of living squeeze from energy and food costs starts to settle, there is no such luck with housing. mortgage and rental costs are still rising the latter by record amounts. this is a long term issue, basic supply and demand. as you can see at this new housing development in warwickshire. many of these new homes are going forjust over £300,000. that s bang on the average house price in this country. and we can see how that s changed over the past three decades or so no surprise to see that line going up and up. what has changed has been the relationship with affordability. back in the late 90s, five years worth of annual average income was more than the average house price. now, it s crossed over, the gap is massive and looks very difficult to bridge. it s all about house building. successive governments over years, over decades, have made big promises on house building, often not met. this is what s happened for england, over the past ten years, broken down per three month quarter. a similar pattern across the united kingdom. the financial crisis, the pandemic, rising interest rates and inflation all can be blamed, but mass house building has only historically been done when government funds it, and the parties seem to agree there isn t the money. in the 60s, local authorities were building a lot of social housing, and that has died down in the 90s, and without this push, we can never get enough new builds. and then there s planning. yes, so, planning permission has therefore been refused. up and down the country, in lengthy councillors meetings just like these, now recorded on council websites. applause. ..there are the familiar sight and sound of new homes not being built, planning permission refused repeatedly. the two main parties do differ here. labour says it s willing to build on specific areas of the green belt that are not so green they call the grey belt. ultimately, both for buying and renting, supply not responding to demand means higher housing costs, the most enduring aspect of the cost of living crisis. before we go, more news on openai. it has appointed its first chief financial officer. sarah friar was formerly the ceo of social media firm nextdoor. the company also named a new chief product officer on monday. and that s it for this edition of business today. thanks for watching. hello and welcome to sportsday with me marc edwards. bringing you the action from day four of the european athletics in rome. teams from across europe begin to arrive in germany ahead of euro 202a. south africa squeeze past bangladesh in four runs in a final over thriller in the t20 world cup. hello and welcome to sportsday. with less than seven weeks to go until the olympics, some contenders have been in action ahead of the global extravaganza in paris. our reporter natalie pirks rounds up the stories from the italian capital. another busy night night in rome with yet another gold for host italy to keep them on top of the medal table. on a british point of view, there were two medals, a silverfor charlie dobson in the men s a00m and a bronze for molly caudery in the women s pole vault finals. for charlie, another personal best in what is a fantastic season so far for him. he said he was over the moon and could not be happier to take silver in what was his first individual major 400 metre final. the race was won by belgium alexander doom with a new championship record.
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oh, my goodness, no. i m very, very proud of it. it s been three years. we haven t found anything, haven t seen anything. many people have tried. many people are covering it up. like who? the president of the united states. do you believe you ll be acquitted am. this is a complete misuse of the criminal process to interfere with the 2024 election. so much to fact check there including his tie. meanwhile the biden campaign is out with a new ad that hits donald trump during a campaign rally he had in las vegas just this past sunday. take a look. because i don t want anybody going at me we need every voter. i just want your vote, i don t care. i m joe biden and i approve this message. short and sweet. in just hours the jury will resume deliberating for a second straight day in a wilmington, delaware, courthouse. the jury got the case late yesterday following instructions from the judge and after hearing closing arguments from both the defense and the prosecution. prosecutors lay out what they described as overwhelming evidence against the president s son. hunter biden s attorney argued that prosecutors had not met their burden of proof in terms of proving the case beyond a reasonable doubt. earlier in the day the defense rested its case without calling hunter biden to testify. first lady jill biden was present in the audience for yesterday s proceedings as she has been throughout the trial. hunter biden has pleaded not guilty to three felony counts tied to a possession of a gun while using narcotics and lying on a government form. it s unclear how this case will impact the presidential race, but certainly those close to president biden are deeply concerned about the personal toll it will take on hunter biden s father. joining us now anthony coley who previously served as the top spokesperson for attorney general merrick garland. anthony, good to see you here on set in washington. let s talk about the hunter biden case first. what s your read on yesterday s closing arguments? so here s what s so interesting about this case, jonathan, is that there s a lot of circumstantial evidence here. we talked a lot about the passages in the book and then there are the text messages that all suggest that hunter biden was not sober during this period of time. but there is no smoking gun. there s no eyewitness here, so you can see a scenario where a jury says, you know, the government has not met its high burden of proof. that s the first thing. the second thing to me is a lot of what s happening off the stand, the unconditional love this man is receiving from all of his family not just through this trial but through his period of addiction. and number two, this reiteration that we heard from the president last week that he s going to respect the jury s verdict, and even if they return a not guilty verdict, that he would not pardon his son. and i can tell you if the shoe were on the other foot not only would donald trump not make that promise, this case a case of a similar a case looking at his family, you can see a scenario where he would not even have let it get this far. you know, he would have practically burned down the justice department if an obama era u.s. attorney was investigating his family. and biden has been very hands off. and briefly, what s the rule of thumb in terms of how long the jury will deliberate? could we get a verdict today? we could very well get a verdict today. one day of deliberation for every day the trial went on. that s the rule of thumb. they could come back they told the judge we deliberated for a couple days and we don t have a verdict, they re split. we ll turn to trump for just a moment. do you think the prosecution proved their case? i m not the lawyer, so i m not going to render my verdict, but i hope that hunter biden will be able to move on with his life. let s turn to donald trump s probation interview yesterday. it s a standard part of the procedure, about 30 minutes or so, but tell us why it matters and that includes because if he ends up with probation, he s not allowed to associate with other people who have criminal records themselves, have spent prison time, and at that point that s a lot of people in his universe including just the other day steve bannon. that s exactly right. plus also interesting here are the factors that go into whatever report that the probation officer provides, right? and you ve got to imagine that they re going to consider donald trump s efforts to accept the norms and the rules, and we know from just looking at this case, this is a man who has violated the norms and the rules, you know, ten different times he refused to accept this, narrowly tailored gag order. so it s going to be interesting to see how this one plays out. we are now precisely one month from donald trump s sentencing. today is june 11th. that comes july 11th. this probation here scheduled yesterday, are there other markers, procedures or events we should be looking for between now and that sentencing at the end of the month. no, i think right now what typically happens in the process the probation officer will prepare a report for the judge, and the judge obviously is the one that s going to make whatever determination he feels is appropriate in this case. and we will see if that includes prison time. msnbc justice and legal affairs analyst anthony coley, thank you. good to see you as always. next up here we ll bring you the latest from the middle east amid new reporting the biden administration is potentially looking at negotiating a deal with hamas to release american hostages in gaza. it s not clear if israel would be part of those talks. plus, donald trump s repeat conviction in new york could means he loses the liquor license at some of his golf courses. we ll have those stories, the other top headlines, as well as a check on sports and weather when we come right back. a check when we come right back. sup? 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good morning, jonathan. it s looking real soggy in the state of florida for the next couple days. from west palm to miami and out towards naples interest 6 million people. i wouldn t be surprised if that expands and sticks with us through at least the end of the workweek. we ve got a stationary front hanging out in northern florida. it s going to leave us unsettled with a whole lot of moisture to tap into, and that means, yes, multiple rounds of rain, today, tomorrow and getting into thursday and friday we ll continue to see really heavy rain working in. with all this rain on tap we likely will see upwards of maybe 10 inches, 12 inches, up to over a foot to 15 inches possible specifically across parts of southwest florida, so we likely will have the flooding concern be there at least through the end of the workweek. this will be something notable to watch here over the next couple of days. meanwhile, out west it remains warm. temperatures triple digits in las vegas, phoenix headed to 110 today. el paso headed to 102. by the time we get into tomorrow this heat starts to expand further to the east. salt lake city 99 degrees. notice minneapolis headed to the upper 80s. temperatures way warm for this time of year, and we get the east coast in on the action, too. 36 degrees on thursday new york city 90s on tap by friday, mid-90s for richmond. the same goes for charlotte both friday and saturday and a warm weekend too for folks friday and saturday in atlanta. this is something we ll see last into the weekend. summer will be in full swing in this region before you know it. summer is here. angie lassman, thank you so much. we ll talk to you again tomorrow. still ahead we ve got new video that shows the dramatic moments israeli forces rescued some of the hostages held by hamas. plus the latest on a possible cease-fire deal. we ll be right back. sible cease-fire deal. we ll be right back. . supporting your - oops - energy, immunity and metabolism. and yours too! you did it! plus try centrum silver, now clinically proven to support memory in older adults. have you always had trouble losing weight now clinically proven and keeping it off? 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based on the reporting and what we ve heard from the white house publicly, this is without question the most concerted effort that the biden administration has made in this eight month long war to get to some kind of deal. they ve been pushing for a temporary cease-fire for some time. obviously this deal as you note has phases, the beginning of which would be this six-week cease-fire when hamas would release israeli hostages in exchange for israel releasing palestinians who have been detained by the israeli government, and then of course negotiations over a permanent end to the war and the withdrawal of israeli forces from gaza. what s interesting about it is the u.s. is saying prime minister netanyahu has accepted the deal although we haven t heard prime minister netanyahu say that in public himself. reuters is reporting just this morning hamas has accepted the deal and willing to negotiate over the details. i think what you re really seeing from the administration is a real push to bring an end to hostilities especially given this administration has come nod a lot of criticism for u.s. support for israel during the course of this war given the devastation in gaza, and i think they really want to get to a deal not just to secure the release of hostages and some of the suffering in gaza but with the election just months away, it s really critical for president biden i think to get to a deal. with the civilian toll rising and certainly there is the possibility of a u.s.-hamas deal and much prefer israel be involved too. you mentioned political fallout and let s turn your recent reporting how the war weighs on the president. you spoke to one family in pennsylvania divided over whether or not to support biden at the ballot box in november because of this very issue. tell us about it. this to me is microcosm of the debate many democratic voters have been having since the start of the war as you ve seen not just progressive democrats but a lot of voters who are part of the democratic base, question the biden administration s really unequivocal backing of israel during the high civilian death toll, given the widespread starvation in gaza, and this family is one of the many families split what to do about it. there are democrats still going to support president bide even if they re frustrated with the way he handles this war, also they want to prevent another trump presidency, but there are a lot of voters who i think frustrated with the way this war has played out and that the president has not just not been very critical of israel during this offensive in gaza but also the u.s. has continued to provide weapons and other military support. and i think that coalition or that constituency is really key because there s a lot of concern within the white house and even among the biden campaign not those voters would swing towards trump but vote third party or stay at home. in a key voter ground like pennsylvania where his family is based some of these states are separated by tens of thousands of votes. neither candidate and certainly not president biden can afford to lose any voters in november. certainly the biden team desperate for this war to end before november. we mentioned earlier in the show the jury is deliberating in the hunter biden case and a verdict could come as soon as today. we went through the legal implications then, and certainly it s reported the personal toll this will take on president biden. as you talk to republicans and democrats alike whatever the verdict is here, guilty or not guilty, is it actually going to change anything in the presidential race? we haven t really seen too much indication this is going to affect, you know, independent or swing voters when it comes to election and support for president biden. this is not an issue that is top of mind, you know, for a lot of the types of voters that biden needs to turn up in november, but it s going to be a key issue for republicans. i think it s something that animates their base and it s something they re trying to use a counterweight to, you know, the criminal charges against former president trump, of course, the former president was convicted in the hush money trial. i think there s a big difference, of course, in the former president who is himself on the ballot facing, you know, criminal charges and the president s son who is not involved in the administration, who has not held any formal role in the administration. but there is also this question of a toll it takes on the president himself that you spoke to. obviously it is a deeply personal issue for him. he s not going to be addressing it publicly. he said he supports his son, but of course i think he doesn t really want to he campaigned on restoring independence to the justice department, to the legal system especially given, you know, the charges against his opponent, i don t think he wants to be in the business of weighing in on the legal issues themselves, but just kind of going back to the big picture, you know, this is not top of mind for i think most of the voters who are going to the polls in november who it would make a difference, but it is something i think certainly a political issue that republicans are going to try and leverage and maybe use as a distraction. yeah, whether to say guilty the biden family is corrupt or not guilty, the justice system is rigged against republicans. covered a lot of ground this morning. sabrina siddiqui, thank you for being here. we appreciate it. next up we ll go live to cnbc for an early look what s driving wall street as investors await the federal reserve s decision on interest rates. plus apple joins the artificial intelligence race. what we re learning about the new technology the iphone maker plans to offer when we come right back. e maker plans to offer when we come right back [coughing] copd hasn t been pretty. it s tough to breathe and tough to keep wondering if this is as good as it gets. but trelegy has shown me that there s still beauty and breath to be had. because with three medicines in one inhaler, trelegy keeps my airways open and prevents future flare-ups. and with one dose a day, trelegy improves lung function so i can breathe more freely all day and night. trelegy won t replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. do not take trelegy more than prescribed. trelegy may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia, and osteoporosis. call your doctor if worsened breathing, chest pain, mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating, vision changes, or eye pain occur. what a wonderful world ask your doctor about once-daily trelegy for copd because breathing should be beautiful. so this is pickleball? 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yeah, good morning, john. look, certainly the impact then of this fed policy meeting will be quite significant for this market picture, right? because it determines ultimately what does the rate cut in policy pretty much look like? how all the data has culminated so far and you saw just last week friday that hot jobs report being the labor market still looked pretty robust, 270,000 jobs still being created. all of that plus the growth projection, the inflation trajectory remaining a bit sticky, although there seems to be a drop, though. has all that data meant the fed is little more comfortable with cutting interest rates a little bit later on this year? or are they still in wait and see mode? and how much more data dependent will it be? all of that has meant the market is pretty nervous ahead of this meeting and has remained pretty negative to start things off, although it is close to that flat line. so apple as we just teased has announced a major push into a.i. with a huge impact on how we all could use our iphones. so what have we learned so far as to how this company s going to use artificial intelligence. well, if you like emojis, you can use the as a key starter. they ve also included their partnership with open a.i. which means chat gpt ultimately forms a big primary part then of apple as well-meaning siri works with chatgpt to formulate responses on answers and questions you may certainly have to the chat bot, which siri was known for. of course the big question mark is whether they d use that ability then to grow the data model and also be able to grow the number of people who actually purchase iphones. a question mark, however, is whether this will be enough to do that. not entirely sure. investors didn t necessarily feel too enlightened by the story and perhaps underwhelmed a bit on the updates. so perhaps not enough to shift investors at their price went down nearly 2% yesterday. and lastly shares of the british personal computer maker known as raspberry pie jumped on its first day as a public company. what does it say about the market for new stock listings? yeah, that s a fruitful experience for the london stock exchange especially. raspberry pie coming up here, it s a really low cost computer model company that believes they ll sell at least 8.4 million new computers ultimately this year. it s because of the growth they still see in this a.i. sector. they believe semiconductors will formulate a great part of their growth. and they still believe even though the united states is where you get all the great valuations of companies, that investors will find you wherever you are as long as you re a great company. that s according to the ceo evan upton. that s the belief of a company thus far going up around 50% on the back of its initial ipo earlier this morning and limited in that it s only been able to a few institutional investors so far. we appreciate it. arabile gumede live from london, thank you again. next up here a controversial ukrainian military unit will soon be allowed to use u.s. weapons in its fight against russia. we ll dig into the brigade s checkered past and why the white house is lift its ban. more news from europe when way too early comes right back. s f too early comes right back. lp t high protein, complete nutrition you need. .without the stuff you don t. so, here s to now. boost. ah, these bills are crazy. she has no idea she s sitting on a goldmine. well she doesn t know that if she owns a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more she can sell all or part of it to coventry for cash. even a term policy. even a term policy? 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yeah, i mean i think the administration deserves a lot of credit for the work they did, you know, before the russian invasion and in the immediate wake of it and building real unity with european allies and building support from countries around the world. obviously the war in gaza for the last eight months has drawn a lot of attention. it continues to take up a lot of space on the agenda for very good reasons. i think the ukraine war has grown quite frustrating for them. it seems to be bogged down in a bit of a stalemate, so there are real questions about what will happen next there, although, president biden continues to make clear that the u.s. is going to be there, you know, supporting ukraine in the long haul. well, this is all happening in the midst of, you know, of a presidential campaign that they would really much rather be talking about domestic legislature accomplishments. so let s talk about where things stand in ukraine. as you said a bit of a stalemate at the moment, but russia made some progress in their offensive earlier this spring but not a lot. they continue to pound kharkiv with weaponry. tell us a little bit about the u.s. move to arm ukraine and allow them to strike within russia but also do you see much in the way changing on the battlefield or is this eventually going to turn into a frozen conflict that might eventually lead us to the negotiating table? right, i think if you go back about a year you saw a ukrainian counter offensive that surprised a lot of people in its effectiveness. the second counter offensive that began earlier this year was obviously not as successful. that has brought us to the situation where we are now, and that was not really a surprise because in the intervening year russia had the opportunity to really embed itself to lay a lot of mines, to dig a lot of trenches, so harder to root them out. but during the second counter offensive, so, yeah, it looks like we are there hasn t been too much movement. it looks like we might be in a frozen conflict for the moment. i think the ukrainian military hopes that a new strategy of striking russian facilities across the border could potentially change that equation. obviously, that s an escalation. the question is, is it a wise one? the question is, will that meaningfully change the situation here? you know, the kind of theory of the case that the administration has had up until now is to support ukraine s defense in the hopes that that would put them in the strongest possible position eventually around the negotiating table. i don t think that s changed. the question is, at what point does putin have interest in a negotiating piece? that s been missing up until now. there certainly will be ramifications coming out of elections in the eu, u.s. in november, and other european nations in the months ahead, as well. yeah. executive vice president at the center or international policy, matt duss, thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. thank you. up next on way too early, we re seeing fewer arrests at the southern border. we ll break down the latest numbers now that president biden s executive order is in effect. coming up on morning joe, a louisiana woman is traveling across the country for the biden campaign, sharing her experience with abortion. she ll join our conversation with her story and why she says black women are disproportionately impacted. plus, jury deliberations resume later this morning in the hunter biden criminal trial. a panel of legal analysts are standing by with key takeaways from yesterday s closing arguments. also ahead, oscar nominated actress minnie driver will be in studio to discuss season two of her hit show the circuit queen. morning joe just a few moments away. it ain t my dad s razor, dad. ay watch it! it s from gillettelabs. this green bar releases trapped hairs from my face. gamechanga! .while the flexdisc contours to it. so the five blades can get virtually every hair in one stroke. for the ultimate gillette shaving experience. the best a man can get is gillettelabs. sup? 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there s so many ways republicans attack this issue, and something that doesn t change is the hyper focus on crimes committed by cry mai migrants in the country illegally. there s always footage from border checkpoints. it mitigated some of the republican messaging, and it said to democrats that biden is willing to do things that are unpopular with the base. i think that s popular with some voters who are on the fence, who voted for biden last time. it s not going to mitigate the entire immigration issue for him. republicans, you know, are the ones who killed the bipartisan border bill earlier this year. democrats have really tried to make that point, but have we seen that has sunk in, changed the polling? it hasn t changed the polling, but democrats have the argument. they could say, we know what it takes to fix the border. republicans blocked this to help donald trump. what is donald trump s answer? what is he going to do? to make the space for the argument is what this executive order was for. but, no, they ve not found a way out of this since really early 2021 when border crossings were up because biden reversed trump s policies. republicans have a simple message here, which is, do you remember all the border crossings when trump was there? remember migrants coming to new york, chicago, et cetera? trump is going to reverse that. there is nothing as simple democrats have. they have been showing they re willing to say to the migrant advocates in their base that they re not listening to them. they re going to adopt policies the aclu is going to sue them for probably any day in california. let s turn to primaries. you ve been following it closely. nancy mace, representative of south carolina, her election is tonight. tell us about that race and also what we re seeing writ large about these intraparty battles. the mace race will be hard to follow. she won 2020. donald trump endorsed her opponent in 2022. donald trump is for her this time. she has one of several races where trump has intervened in some way and become the issue in the race. that s intensified since the convictions in new york. this one is kind of unique. her opponents have argued that whatever nancy mace says, she s in this for attention. if you want a true maga conservative who is not going to ever make you question where the next vote is coming from, vote for me. that s her problem. across the country in north dakota, trump has a candidate today in the open seat, next few weeks in virginia. i was just there where trump endorsed against bob good, and good was saying i m the maga candidate, campaigning with steve bannon. the elections are still about who is most loyal to trump. you mentioned the criminal conviction of trump. we re ten days from that news. what are we seeing so far as to how it is impacting the presidential race? as you talk to republicans and democrats alike, we ve seen polls move just slightly but move, just slightly, to president biden. do we think that s going to intensify, stay where it is, or fade away in the months before november? we were talking about immigration messaging for republicans. this is even more coherent. there is no one breaking against larry hogan, across the river from here, but almost nobody else in the republican party saying there is something legitimate in the court decision in new york. that matters. you have an entire party creating the structure for swing voters to say, i don t know about this conviction. they re trying to move the numbers. we saw two weeks ago the hypothetical conviction in new york was unpopular. we saw a fifth of trump voters said they might not vote for him if this happened. republicans are doing, day by day, saying, ignore this, forget about it. it is an attempt to get trump because they couldn t get him otherwise. let s see how far we can kick these other cases down the road. it has hurt on the margins, but and a two-point margin could matter in the race, but it is not the size republicans are worried about because of all the work they re doing in saying, pay no attention to the indictment behind the curtain. democrats had some focus on it but less coherent or consistent on the issue. yeah. politics reporter for semafor, dave weigel, thanks for being here. thanks for getting up way too early on this tuesday morning to all of you. morning joe starts right now. unlike the vast majority of felons out there, trump was allowed to do his interview at mar-a-lago over a video conference call. 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denticola thinks kennedy can bring americans together and isn t worried about him taking votes from biden or trump a person like bobby kennedy who is really a messenger of unity, a message for all people i think that s why he s going to actually pull a lot of voters from both sides that s back on deal s farm. i shared desire for unity to address a deeply divided country. if we don t make some changes and find somebody who has creative solutions and somebody we can trust who wants to bring us together? we re gonna be on a world of hurt even rfk junior seemed to be pulling more votes away from biden or trump based on who you spoke to anderson kennedy s coalition of voters, they ve really span the political spectrum polling data does indicate the largest contingent could actually be those who didn t support either candidate in 2020. a lot of his support comes from the so-called double-haters. those holding unfavorable views of both biden and trump anderson, even mechan thanks the news continues here on cnn front next the breaking news, trump s interview with a probation officer wrapping up the first first of its kind in history, we have new details about the questions he faced and how his answers could affect his sentence, as well as who was in that room. plus a secret new recording tonight is supreme court justice samuel alito. this is the former republican governor kristi todd whitman breaks her silence about the man that she had publicly supported an introduced to the united states senate she now. regret backing alito, and it s the hottest stock on the planet. a little known company forcing apple today to play catch up we have a special report. let s go outfront and good evening. i m erin burnett, outfront tonight. the breaking news, former president trump, just wrapping up an interview with a probation officer. this is a first never in american history has a former president had to sit down with a probation officer well, because a former president has never been convicted of a crime. but here we are. this meeting was mandatory for trump as he is now a convicted felon in the state of new york. trump answering questions from his home and mar-a-lago. now, according to a source, the question answers lasted about half an hour and trump was asked we understand some of the basic questions that other convinced it did felons must answer those questions for regular felon would include questions about family background, financial status, living situation, and crucially, it chance for the defendant in this case trump to say why he thinks he deserves a lighter punishment now there is no pleading. the fifth year and the answers trump gave will influence judge juan merchan, who will formally sentence trump in july. here s the range trump is facing anywhere from probation two up to a maximum of 20 years in prison after being found guilty of all 34 counts in the new york hush money case. now, one of the most important drivers into whether which extreme this ends up on or where it ends up in that in that band is whether trump expresses remorse. and that of course is not happening trump today posting online, i truly wish people would remember that all of these trials in quotes are concocted and run by the crooked joe biden white house and doj for the purpose of election interference and damaging crooked political opponent me as much as possible. of course, it always bears noting in a moment when he says that the biden doj could have prosecuted this case and explicitly chose not to. and the white house, the white house officials privately call this case the run to the litter. but trump is going to melt this trial for all its political worth. and it comes as his top political ally today, rudy giuliani is now facing some justice of his own, charged with allegedly conspiring to overturn arizona s election. this just came out moments ago. what you re looking at on your screen is the mug shot of giuliani america s mare turned into trump s fall guy, and that is his mug shot in the state of arizona, maricopa county tonight brynn grasp begins our coverage outfront live in new york and brynn, you ve got new reporting about this interview between trump and probation officer so what are you learning yeah, that s right. so aaron is interviewed, took place around 330 today, as you said, it lasted for about a half an hour, a bud source in new york city s who was familiar with the actual interview that took place over a virtual meeting telling are john miller that trump was described as polite, respectful, and accommodating, answering all the questions asked of him. now, we ve reported that todd blanche trump s attorney was with him in mar-a-lago on that side? the virtual meeting by here in new york are understanding from this source is that the commissioner of the new york city probation department would need a homes was present. the general counsel for that department was present, as well as the probation officer that is assigned to trump s case. of course, this probation officer now will likely stick with trump and this will be the person who does the follow-ups. this are saying though that as of now, like i said, he answered all of the questions that were asked of him. and right now, there doesn t seem to be a follow-up, but of course there is always that option to should they need it. so one of my more details of how that probation interview went as we ve described before, many questions could be asked of certainly about trump s background, his financial history, has he abused drugs or alcohol in the past? it s certainly not much ground covered in a 30 minutes, but of course, we re talking about a defendant like the former president here. now what happens next the defense it s her attorney, todd blanche, his team. they re going to submit a sentence recommendation to the judge. the probation officer, who conducted this interview is going to conduct. it s going to compile hello report. and these are just two elements that are gonna be factored into judge juan merchan s decision when he makes that sentencing done, which of course we know the days next month in july 11, aaron, are i brynn? thank you very much. in new york outside the courthouse, michael jacobson and our team join me here. michael, let me start with you because you are the former new york city correction and probation commissioner. so when need homes now doing that now. so what s your take of what happened today? we ve been obviously probation or regular probation officer assigned to the case, but it sounds like the commissioner herself was in the room as well as the general counsel will certainly expected someone more than just a probation officer to be in that interview. i mean, it s so unusual for 1,000 reasons. most of them obvious but just the fact that it was remote. and that trump s attorney was there. those are two very odd things in enough themselves. so given all that, it certainly made sense that you would want someone other than the probation officer it certainly makes sense to me for the general counsel to be there the sort of equivalent of trump s attorney on the probation? and the commissioner runs the agencies. so i think she thought it was appropriate that she was there. now, i know these can often go up to 90 minutes or two. i then go longer. this went less than 30, and obviously this isn t a case where the judge needs to be reminded about the details of the defendant or anything like that as would be the case in normal situations. but what do you think they got out of it? well, it s just the beginning of what can be a pretty long and sometimes intrusive process. so you shouldn t take too much that it was just a a first polite interview. probation officer has wide berth here to get into, as you said alcohol and drug use. talking to pass as victims can examine trump s behavior in terms of the violation of the gag order revisit the finding that he sexually assaulted jean carroll. all that is open, fodder for a pre-sentence investigation. they wanted to sort of paint a broad picture. so this was the start of something at certainly not the end, which is important thing, right? it s not as if this is done and then we wait a month, right, terry, this is this is a part of it, but you ve watched the judge so closely in that room, judge, that trump had referred to looking like an angel, but he was really the devil was the way trump put it but a judge who his demeanor was always positive, serious, he never never betrayed any sort of emotion how much weight do you think he will give this report, this interview that s the report that s going to come out of the interview that michael s talking about. i think he s going to take it very seriously, but like you said, aaron, he knows this defendant, he knows trump. he saw him every the day he saw trump violate the gag order ten times and he imposed the fine for that. and i think he s going to really want to see whether there is remorse and he s going to take what s been going on in las vegas, the rally, what he s saying and all of the things that he saying now really don t show remorse. and i think that is going to have an impact. i m not saying he s going to incarcerate him, but i do think as to whether it s probation or house arrest or community service he s going to go with something that s a little more serious. so mark the way that it was described, brynn reporting, the way that trump handled himself today was that he was polite and respectful and accommodating to the probation officer. and the obviously the commissioner in the general counsel, who were also present for the new york parole commission. i m sorry, probation commission. but this is the first time of foreign presidents ever been in a situation like this. mark, you ve been in situations like this hundreds of times with clients. so does the judge already have his mind made up when you hear a accommodating, polite and respectful. does that mean anything considering what trump says about this, judge? pretty much daily i think it was a pragmatic approach that he should be respectful to probation officer interviewing him. i ve never had general counsel show up at the hundreds that i ve ever been on. i ve also never had the commission shouldn t have department of corrections show up. so obviously, everyone s looking at this very, very carefully. but aaron, as we talked about last week, i do think that this judge as most judges who sat through the trial before sentencing, have most of their mind made up 90% or so. this is not going to, i think move the needle very much because everyone knows who don t trump is. everyone knows about the facts of the case, which really interesting is whether or not they took this opportunity to give a written statement or a verbal statement of his position. i m almost surprised if he didn t just because of who he is, although i tell my clients never to give a written or verbal statement at this stage wait until you get in front of the judge all right. well, we ll see the mark. i want to ask you about one other thing here because it trump obviously was in this interview today means i m rudy giuliani, right? who was at the helm of this, his efforts to overturn state election results was he had his mug shot taken america county and arizona a process in phoenix after pleading not guilty to charges of trying to overturn the election, they re just looking at this picture and he s got a blue and a white star tie on. i tried to smile, i guess. i mean, mark, what s your reaction looking at that mug shot? it s insulting to the process to be honest, i remember rudy when i grew up in new york and all of that good stuff, america s mayor, like you mentioned, it s just sad that we re getting to the point where on the same day from a president, maybe a future president is getting your probation interview. and the former mayor of america is getting a mug shot taken heavy, said that he knows the respective should give the process he hasn t done it recently, but he knows and you don t smile, you don t look away from the camera. you give the respect even at the process of a mug shot, to respect the process that quite honestly, he was sworn to protect for decades and it s when will you say right? i mean, he s mocking it by the smile. it s not, not of a state of mind, it s a mocking. my goal when we talk of trump allies, it s actually very relevant here in the context of the probation conversation because florida governor ron desantis, they obviously were rivals for a time. they were allies, then rivals. and now here we are but desantis could actually be the one who oversees whatever sentence trump gets, right? right. so the way this works is a little known part of probation national e coli interstate compact. and if you re sentenced in a jurisdiction, but you happen to live in another jurisdiction, which is the case here, right. sentenced in new york lives in florida most of the time through the interstate compact, the supervision of that case will be done in a jurisdiction that the person lives in. so under normal circumstances, if he was sentenced to probation, they would make a request to be transferred to florida probation. right? those requests are normally fulfilled. i think this one there may be a little more of a discussion then they re normally is, but that agency is, as you say controlled by the governor and floor. so how he really has to check in or the way he s treated that would could potentially be the decision of governor to potentially the that compact gives wide berth to the receiving agency as they re called and the general rule is that agency treats this person as they do similar people there are no services, no similar people and it s a terrorist. what s the process here is my mega is point out this is the first step. it s a month from tomorrow that we re actually going to get the sentencing unless it s delayed. so the process here is what then trump s team files for what they think the sentence should be. and there s a whole lot of back-and-forth exactly what one of the things that the probation officer will be doing. they don t just have to interview some thinking interview family members. they can talk to prior victims if there were any victims in this case, it s victimless, so to speak, but they re going to be continuing to do their investigation. the judge is doing his research by the way, he is looking at how many similar people have had these types of charges and what has been their sentence. so he s doing that. and meanwhile, the attorneys obviously are working on their recommendations. both the prosecution and the defense. all right. well, thank you all very much. next we do at breaking news on the jury, deliberating in the hunter biden trial tonight, his family turning out in force today. the prosecution warrants the jury about by this family presence in the courtroom plus protests, breaking out tonight 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three counts, the president s son could serve up to 25 years in prison he could also be forced to pay up to $750,000 in fines now, when you think about that, just speak declare here as father or the president, the united states has made it clear that he will not pardon his son if he s found guilty. i ve impressed has been following this trial since the beginning. he s out from the courthouse and obviously you ve spent nowadays in days inside that courtroom, evan so the jury has this now, what can you tell us tonight well, aaron, i was in the courtroom this afternoon as both the prosecutor fusion and the defense. did their closing arguments, you could see some jurors nodding off during the 90 minutes defense closing arguments abbe lowell the lawyer for hunter biden, really focused his arguments on trying to direct the attention of the jury on things that he says shows showed shortcomings in the government s case, who pointed out that because there is no direct evidence that hunter biden was using crack cocaine in october of 20 me 18 when he bought the firearm that that is reasonable doubt as to whether he knew he was lying on the form that he filled out when he bought that gun. now, in response to that, there are kinds the prosecutor said someone who holds a crackpipe to his mouth every 15 every 15 minutes knows that they re an addict. so that s really the concise nature of this case. this is a very simple case and so now that the jury has it, we anticipate this is not going to take too long. however what we know is this, once he wanted we get a verdict from this hunter biden faces up to 25 years, possibly under this law, we don t expect that as a first-time offender, if he is convicted that he would get that much. we also anticipate that the that the judge will take at least a few weeks to set a possible sentencing. again, if there is a guilty verdict, again tomorrow, the jury is back here at 9:00 a.m. and we expect that there ll be here all day tomorrow. alright. evan, thank you very much. i mean, we ll see when that verdict comes. and that could be tomorrow, and evan will be there in that courtroom, which was packed today and notably, a number of people in the room were related to a hunter biden, including the first lady, jill biden france over the weekend, she was back. prosecutors have been telling jurors not to be swayed by the president, the presence i m sorry, of the president s family in the courtroom saying, quote, this is not evidence tom foreman s out front as the jury headed into deliberations, hunter biden s family was there in force his mother, his wife, and others packing the first rows of the courtroom this even after a brutal week of testimony, full of painful details of his infidelity, divorce for this drug addiction, and grief, all of which he acknowledged long ago i made mistakes in my life and wasted opportunities and privileges. i was afforded for that i m responsible. women in his life had played a big role in court. ex-wife, kathleen buhle, testifying that she searched hunter s car before their daughters got in and found drugs or paraphernalia on approximately a dozen occasions, his former girlfriend, zoe kestan, whom he met when she was a dancer at a club, said he appeared to be smoking crack on their first evening together. his daughter naomi tearfully took the stand in her father s defense, only to be asked by prosecutors about this text to him. i m really sorry, dad. i can t take this and first lady, jill biden has been in court to holding hands and the family line. i love hunter and i ll support him. and i in any way i can. and that s how i look at things hunters, deceased brother beau has also loomed large. witnesses have talked about the devastating impact of beau s death or cancer in 2015 hunter has said the grief was so intense it spurred or romantic relationship with beau s widow, hallie and that grief turned into a hope for a love that maybe you could replace what we lost. and it didn t work it didn t work. indeed a trial, haley said hunter introduced her to crack it was a terrible experience. she said, i m embarrassed, i m ashamed. i regret that period of my life through it all the unstoppable refrain, drugs, drugs drugs with segments of his own audio book played as evidence i possessed a new superpower, the ability to find crack and anytown at any time, no matter how unfamiliar the terrain, it was easy. and of course, president joe biden is hovering, not in person, but in spirits. his decision already made will you accept the jury s outcome, their verdict no matter what it is? yes. and have you ruled out a pardon for your son? yes this would be a difficult bit of testimony for any family in this country to endure. i am sure, but with a member of that family seeking to hold onto the white house knowing the whole nation is watching, just makes it more so. aaron, tom, thank you very much. and ryan goodman is here, so ryan just going through that, how many people were in the room when you think about it ex-wife, sister-in-law, former girlfriend his his stepmother, joe biden, all of them in that room. what does that do to the jury? so, i, think it can make the defendant to look like a more sympathetic character, especially because you ve got this audio tape, which i think some of what they re playing, it makes him seem very creepy. and he s talking about criminal conduct in a sense. but here you have the family that s showing love and support for a person who is giving the image of being rehabilitated and so that could be sympathetic to the jury, and that s why the prosecutors maybe felt like they had to say something to try to defuse that, to say that s something separate from whether or not he s criminally guilty of the alleged right, which they re trying to say, don t look at who s in the room. it s not about the case, but is defense attorney abbe lowell as devin was referring to, said during his closing closing statement that hallie biden, who was bows wife, who at one point, as hundred talking about was hit dated hunter after beau s death, did something incredibly stupid. that s how abbe lowell put it when she threw out hunter biden s gun and your source, with the things you do for love in that instance, is that a good move with this jury? do you think i guess the context here is they were nodding off during his 90 minute closing all right. so i think he might need to say certain things to try to charge them up and focus back in on him. but that s especially using that kind of language against hallie biden that could come across as a sexes trope to identify her as such. and then the defendant is not somebody who s engaging in stupid but the woman someone exactly. and with that many women on the jury, it s not a good move and it s just wide wave and say something like that. they could just say, look, i don t like this. i don t like this. defense council. i don t trust him and part of his narrative that he s trying to sell me on includes that element in it and that s not persuasive. so again, interesting, as evan said, a few of them were nodding off during that closing. one hour of deliberations today, how soon do you think we got a verdict? i think we could get the verdict tomorrow and not in the way in which when if you get a very early verdict, you often think it is they re gonna be a guilty verdict. that s just having a manhattan with donald trump. i think the case is very straightforward. it s only a week s worth of testimony for both sides. and the law is very straightforward as well. so it s three charges all around the same set of facts over lemon day period i think they could come back tomorrow with guilty or acquittal or hung jury, and we surprised that president biden said he would not pardon his son. i don t think so. i think that he really has to the ground of that. he needs to be separate from this and that he s trying to restore faith and the justice department and in some ways, our criminal 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seizure all done? bother launch a landslide defeat for french president emmanuel macron s party in the european elections is a diesel donc swa less some blurriness, you macone immediately dissolving french parliament and calling for snap elections in france. so this is young the decision is serious, a hard one he said, but it is above all, an act of confidence, confidence in you, my fellow citizens the call came is the far-right as somone, as soon as one around twice as many votes in the election as macron s party sluggish economies in many european countries and the migration crisis similar to the southern border in the us, where the top issues for voters across europe many of the right-wing parties gaining ground, also sympathetic to russian leader vladimir putin like my thinking lappin of the asam, the mona s you now, who s been a kremlin out? for years. they processor. so this premier, the french have spoken and this historic election shows that when the people vote, the people, when she said in germany, chancellor olaf scholz s party also suffered a beat down coming in third behind the right-wing alternative for germany or afd, the afd with big gains even after their main candidate claimed there were decent people and hitler s buffon, ss and employed and accused a chinese spy in his office during the election campaign we had a bumpy start to the election campaign and then really caught up in the final sprint, the party chairman said after all the prophecies of dual after the barrage of the last weeks, we are the second strongest force europe s far-right, often skeptical of relations with the us. will be a strong force in europe s parliament, hungry. and one of former president donald trump s strongest allies in europe viktor orban of hungary, also an eu skeptic at a strong show i guess to sum up the results of the european parliamentary election, we can send in a telegram to brussels saying migration, stop gender, stop the war, stop soro, stop russell s stop. he said and aaron in various european countries, the centrist forces lost ground to those far-right parties and just i ll give you an idea of how dire the situation there isn t some places are here in germany, normally, the green party attracts a lot of young voters, but this time around, the greens actually lost a lot of young voters. and many of them went to the right alternative for germany. aaron, we ll questions and raising real questions here in the us, fred, thanks. thank you. and i want to go out adjacent van tatenhove. he s a former spokesman for the far-right oath keepers group, testified before the january 6 select committee, and he s also the author of the perils of extremism. how i left the oath keepers and why we should be concerned about a future civil war well, jason, i m glad to be speaking with you again because you can put real perspective on this. you know, the far-right movement in the united states. so well how emboldened are they by what we are now seeing happened tonight across europe? well, i think it does play a part. i think you know, what happens here. ripples across the world in that happens back-and-forth those victories are going to be seen as a victory here too, that there s momentum growing and i think we need to take it as kind of a dire warning as to where we really are right now, even with a front runner that is just been found guilty of so many charges it just doesn t seem to matter. there s certainly momentum growing you see it as a dire warning. i mean, we have seen jayson to your point a disturbing rise in rhetoric, violent rhetoric and threats since trump was convicted, axios reported another far-right group, the proud boys, wrote in a website hope these jurors face some street justice and don t be surprised, you know, this was going to happen stand back and standby. this is far from over. we promise. so stand back and stand by. of course, the words that trump himself had used in 2020. and someone told the pro-trump right-side broadcasting network, which is something many may not have heard of who watch this program, but it s out there and at a trump rally over the weekend, they said this we re in a, third world nation now. so yeah, i would expect it at some point that like it ll break out into violence. i mean, at this point there yet they re using the courts against their opponents we ve seen that before, so we know what s next yeah we re a third world nation now, and i would expect it ll break out into violence what are the threats and the talk of violence that you are seeing and hearing right now that were you most you know, really what worries me most is where it s coming from and my thought process. that s from trump this really seems to have evolved past what i would call stochastic terrorism, where you have a message that goes out. it seems to be passing a threshold where i think really he s just putting out this messaging and if you look at the emails that have been going out last week or so, the rhetoric is getting more extreme it s according that line of direct violent action more and more and unfortunately that audience, there, members of that audience consuming those messages that may take action that looked to be preparing to take action and that s a very concerning to me. when you say looked to be preparing to take action, do you really believe that there is sort of i don t know how organized you would describe it as, but that there really are those preparations that stand back and stand, stand back and stand by i think we would be foolish not to take them at their word i think that absolutely there we saw kind of an evolution of tactics after january 6 and during the prosecution s that happened with the people involved where it kinda it moved away from these, these big national groups and big national events to hyperlocal going after the drag storytelling hours and such. but now i think we re seeing a shift again where we re going back and there is a reorganization happening and i think we re going to see more coming from that national, those national groups that they are definitely ready to reappear. i will jason, i appreciate your time sobering warning. as you say, a dire warning that you re putting out are but thank you. next, a secret new recording of justice samuel alito, plus i m going to speak to the former new jersey governor, christine todd whitman. she put her reputation on the leinz. she endorsed alito during his confirmation hearing. she was the one there her face was out there. does she now regret it plus apple trying to play catch up to accompany now, there s a company worth more than the iphone maker and the ceo of that company has net worth is now 100 billion he says he s just getting started devastating and sudden power of tsunamis. it happened in faraway lands and it s easy to think it can t happen here if one hits home, will we d be ready silent birth with liev schreiber, sunday at night on cnn doug lima someone 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a liberal documentary filmmaker who represented herself to alito as a religious conservative and secretly recorded their conversation, which was obtained by rolling stone. now, we have not obtained the full audio here is a part of it that they ve put out for you to hear one side or the other there can be the way of working our. way of living together, please it s different because there are differences. one fundamental things that really it s not like what the difference this comes as a leader was embroiled in controversy after the new york times reported that an upside down american flag flew outside his home in northern virginia in january 2021. it was, of course, a standard flat a standard bearer of january 6 protesters, as well as the second flag, one carried by the insurrectionist on january 6, it flew outside his vacation homes. so two different flags, both used on that day, out front now for republican governor of new jersey, christine todd whitman, who introduced alito at his confirmation hearing back in 2006. recommended him to the senate judiciary committee. so governor whitman, i really appreciate your time and obviously it s been a long time, nearly 20 years since you did that and you publicly vouched for alito you spoke out for him? and now time has passed and you see him things he has done. you see his defiance admits this flag controversy. does this make you see him differently or regret your support? absolutely. without question i mean, i was willing to support him because i looked back at his record and when i was appointing justices particularly the supreme court or any of the judge s. what i look for is how many times said they ve been overturned? did they write clear opinions and were they able to judge cases based on the facts presented to them in that case. and i actually saw a case that judge alito had actually had decided in favor of a plaintiff. it was clearly against what his personal convictions were relative to the matter of choice send abortion. and so my feeling was okay, he s shown that he will put aside his personal convictions to judge and decide a case based on the facts presented in that case unfortunately, since he s gone to the supreme court, that s just seemed to have gone by the wayside. yeah. i mean, obviously i wrote that wrote that opinion in roe v. wade in the letter to congress about the flag, alito said his wife flew the upside down flag because she was greatly distressed. those were his words by disputes with a neighbor and explaining his wife s motivation to fly the flag. he wrote, quote, house on the street displayed a sign attacking her personally a man who was living in the house at the time trailed her all the way down the street and buried her in my presence using foul language, including what i regard as the violet epithet that can be addressed to a woman. now, i spoke to emily baden. she was the neighbor and the dispute she put up the sign alito refers to which he said didn t refer to mrs. alito at all her husband are now husband is demand and alito mentioned in the statement, but she by the way, was the one who used the epithet in alito s presence. it was not her husband, as he said, but i want to play for you, governor, specifically, something crucial. she told me about alitos claim about the flag i just want to emphasize that the interaction that happened on february 15th is the one that they re using as an excuse for why they flew the flag. and i really want to hammer home the fact that that happened on february 15, and their flag went up two or three weeks before that, at best, he s mistaken, but at worst he s just outright lying the flag was flying before the altercation that alito says was the reason that the flag was put up, right? that s what she lays out very clearly. he wrote his version of things, governor in a letter to congress you re not allowed to lie to congress or they re serious penalties to that should he address this contradiction? well, first of all, it gets very tired and you see these guys pulling their wives. i mean, khan really it besides it is disrespectful of the united states of america. that s america slag it s not if you have a controversy with your neighbor, you deal with it with your neighbor, call the police if you want, use the courts, he should know about that. but you don t fly the american flag upside down. and as you mentioned before, it s a very clear signal two people who were part of the insurrection, and then how does he explain the other flag at their, at their other home? i mean, is his wife just doing that without his knowing and without his caring. when you assume a role like such as the supreme court justice you have a certain standard. you set a message, you set a standard for the entire court. the court comes under scrutiny when this kind of thing happens as it has already anyway, for a couple of other issues and they re having and the lack of it seems standards while his wife, isabel, quite for my wife is fond of flying flags i am not. my wife was solely responsible yeah. you find that jarring really? yeah. come on. man up at least. and if your wife did it, you should have seen it when you walked in the door and said, that s got to come down and then make an apology. say that was all a mistake. but say she put it up upside down by mistake for pete s sakes, but you don t you don t ignore it. let it hang and let the other one fly as well. you deal with them immediately. you re held to a different level of it. this is just a basic thing. i don t care whether it s a supreme court justice or not. that is so disrespectful to the, to the american flag. i mean, he won t rigueur some january 6 related cases he did write an opinion in 2021, actually, for the supreme court about a flag outside boston city hall. and in it he said that anybody who is looking at it would conclude that all of those flags convey some message on the government s behalf. he wrote that he was saying, if you fly a flag outside the boston city hall, people are assumed that s the view of the boston city hall government. but yet when it comes to himself, he says, it s my wife s fall it is their real hypocrisy. there is one statement oh, absolutely. i think it s very clear the unfortunate thing is, no one seems to really care and it doesn t appear is if the chief justice is going to do anything about it i mean, they ve adopted supposedly standards of content of conduct, but they re going to be judging themselves and somebody inside they re gonna be looking at each other to say what s appropriate and clarence thomas is a whole another issue. so the court right now is not in the best odor, shall we say with the american people and the real tragedy here is that when the american people lose faith and the justice system, we re going to really dangerous place. and we shouldn t, we shouldn t be here. it s not a good place to be. we have to have faith in our justices we have to assume that they are going 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hello, i m sally bundock. a very warm welcome to the programme. the united states is making a major push to pause fighting in gaza, with diplomatic efforts taking place both in the region and at the united nations. the un security council endorsed a ceasefire proposal for gaza on monday. it is the first time the council has passed a resolution demanding a stop in fighting, after eight months of war. the resolution urges both hamas and israel to fully and quickly implement the three phase plan. 1a countries voted in favour, and russia abstained. us ambassador to the un linda thomas greenfield says the resolution shows hamas that the international community is united. colleagues, today this council sent a clear message to hamas. accept the ceasefire deal on the table. israel has already agreed to this deal and the fighting could stop today if hamas would do the same. i repeat, the fighting could stop today. our north america correspondent, nada tawfik, has been following the developments from new york and sent this update. what we heard from the united states was that this was the best possible way to secure a durable end to the war, saying that it really is a deal that was israel s initiative, it outlined three phases that they said would eventually, you know, lead to the complete withdrawal of israeli forces, the release of all hostages, in exchange for palestinian prisoners, major reconstruction of gaza, eventually. but, i think, from different members, you heard different positions. you know, while the united states says this resolution passing means that the international community is united, and that this will help put pressure on hamas to accept the deal, you know, algeria said they still had some reservations about the text, but supported it, because they felt it wanted to give diplomacy a chance, wanted to give a glimmer of hope to palestinians. but from russia and china, a lot more scepticism. you know, russia said it didn t want to block this resolution, because the arab group of nations supported it, but it questioned whether israel had really accepted the deal, as the resolution states, and they pointed to a number of statements by israeli officials, including prime minister benjamin netanyahu, that they will continue the war until hamas is defeated. china, as well, questioned if, you know, parties will actually implement these three phases of presidentjoe biden s proposed deal, and china noting that the other security council resolutions that have been passed weren t implemented, including a permanent ceasefire, including getting more aid in at scale into gaza, questioning, you know, whether this will have a tangible impact on the ground. so i think it remains to be seen if this resolution will, in fact, be different than the other ones. the vote came as the us secretary of state antony blinken is visiting the middle east. it s the eighth time he s been to the region since the october 7th attacks. mr blinken is fiercely advocating for the ceasefire deal proposed by president biden ten days ago. he met the egyptian president abdel fattah al sisi on monday and will holds talks in jerusalem with the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu later. let s speak to president of the middle east policy council, ambassador gina abercrombie winstanley. good to have you on the programme. first of all, your reaction to the un security council vote to go ahead with president biden s plan, your thoughts on that. president biden s plan, your thoughts on that. thoughts on that. well, i believe it thoughts on that. well, i believe it was thoughts on that. well, i believe it was a - thoughts on that. well, i believe it was a very - thoughts on that. well, i - believe it was a very positive step forward for the un security council to come through with a really strong support for the resolution. just one state of staining is really important. we have seen a response from hamas to that vote. again, a positive response, and i believe this is a very effective way for the united states and partners in the region to put in the building blocks of pressure on both hamas and israel to get to this ceasefire. the both hamas and israel to get to this ceasefire. this ceasefire. the question is, well this ceasefire. the question is. well they this ceasefire. the question is, well they get this ceasefire. the question is, well they get there? - this ceasefire. the question i is, well they get there? there is, well they get there? there is, as you say, a positive response from hamas, which is encouraging. israel is well is said to be on board and yet there are concerns about the pressures on benjamin netanyahu within his own party? yes. pressures on benjamin netanyahu within his own party? within his own party? yes, i mean, within his own party? yes, i mean. the within his own party? yes, i mean, the departure - within his own party? yes, i mean, the departure of- within his own party? yes, i. mean, the departure of benny gantz means those to the right of the prime minister are in a different position. nonetheless, the leader of the opposition said he would provide a safety net for the prime minister to take this very positive step for the israeli people so the prime minister does have the ability to reach, and take the ceasefire deal which of course originated from israel. the challenge on both sides is his desire to stay in power would lead him to stick with the members of his coalition to the right of him. s decide to stay in power might also lead them not to give a definitive yes and sign on the dotted line. but the president is very clear about the benefits of the ceasefire and it gives important things to both sides that are needed now. my colleague that are needed now. my colleague pointed out that other resolutions have passed the un security council but when it comes to the implementation, it has not happened. what does it take? if both sides agree to president biden s plan, what will it take to see through its implementation do you believe? it is going to take the focus and energy, particularly from the region, but from the international community. we have been here before with conflicts around the world and throughout history and so we know how difficult it can be, but the ceasefire proposal lays out very clear steps and lays out very clear steps and lays out very clear benefits if they take steps and the hope is, in getting this ceasefire, getting this calm into the gaza strip, both sides will reap the benefits of that of getting hostages released, of getting palestinian prisoners returned and have the ability to start rebuilding in the gaza strip, hopefully quiet the northern border as well. you cannot forget there is a lot of tit for tat going on with hezbollah and we have tens of thousands of israelis displaced from their homes, it is not just into the gaza strip, and having the ability to reach the ceasefire will likely give some relief to that part of the conflict as well.- conflict as well. 0k. ambassador - conflict as well. 0k. ambassador gina i ambassador gina abercrombie winstanley, president of the middle east policy council, thank you for talking to us on the bbc news. my talking to us on the bbc news. my privilege. here, the conservatives will be publishing their election manifesto later. they re promising a further cut in national insurance contributions. rishi sunak will argue that another conservative government would enable working people to keep more of the money they earn. meanwhile in an interview on monday evening, mr sunak said it has been a tough few years but the election was about the future and the country had turned a corner. correspondent hannah miller reports. hoping for a warm welcome as rishi sunak prepares to set up his party s plans for another five years in government. on the eve of his manifesto launched last night, the prime minister hinted at tax cuts to come. ~ ., minister hinted at tax cuts to come. ~ . ., ., , ., come. we will have a manifesto that builds come. we will have a manifesto that builds on come. we will have a manifesto that builds on all come. we will have a manifesto that builds on all the come. we will have a manifesto that builds on all the things - that builds on all the things that builds on all the things that you ve just got free, that we have an us on this campaign, that yes, continues to cut people s tax because i believe in a country where people s had work is reported. work is reported. after cutting national insurance work is reported. after cutting national insurance last - work is reported. after cutting | national insurance last autumn and in the spring, the manifesto will promise to cut it a further 2p for employees. it would also pledge that the state pension will not be taxed and make permanent and existing cut to stamp duty for first time buyers, as well as promising that parents will only have to start paying back child benefit when the household income reaches £120,000. the manifesto will also contain pledges to raise defence spending, reform the welfare system and double down on plans to send asylum seekers to rwanda. labour says it amounts to a desperate wish list from what they call a desperate prime minister. after 14 ears desperate prime minister. after 14 years of desperate prime minister. after 14 years of the desperate prime minister. after 14 years of the tories, - desperate prime minister. after 14 years of the tories, the - 14 years of the tories, the money is not there so nope matter what promise rishi sunak max, he will not be able to deliver on any of them because it cannot explain whether money is coming from. the it cannot explain whether money is coming from. is coming from. the prime minister is coming from. the prime minister is is coming from. the prime minister is a is coming from. the prime minister is a bit is coming from. the prime minister is a bit is - is coming from. the prime minister is a bit is a - is coming from. the prime minister is a bit is a day i is coming from. the prime minister is a bit is a day toj minister is a bit is a day to when notjust attention but votes as well as to turn his party s votes as well as to turn his pa rty s forges votes as well as to turn his party s forges around after a rocky few days. hannah miller, bbc news. in france, political parties are scrambling to get ready, after president macron called surprise parliamentary elections across the country, several years before he needed to. he made the move after his ruling alliance was roundly defeated in sunday s european elections, with france s far right national rally securing an overwhelming victory for seats in the european parliament. our europe correspondent nick beake reports. emmanuel macron visited the site of one of the worst nazi massacres in france, perpetrated 80 years ago today. he s been drawing on the past to highlight what he claims is the current threat confronting the country from the far right. in the face of his opponents success this weekend, the president has taken an almighty gamble in calling a snap election. 40 miles outside paris, this is coulommiers, the land of cheesemaking, where support for macron has crumbled. the members of the monday club said they hadn t veered to the right. but then we met 31 year old mum of three, noemi, a worker in an elderly care home, who says she s desperate for something new. translation: what frightens people could actually do them j good, so we should try the national front, because france is getting worse. i m scared to leave my house and the public transport is not safe. whatever the result of these snap parliamentary elections, emmanuel macron is set to stay on as president for another three years, but a national rally victory could have a huge impact here and in many parts of france. it would also be hugely symbolic, too, because injust six weeks time, the country will host the olympic games and by then, france could have its first far right government since the second world war. this is the 28 year old who could be france s prime minister in a month. through his social media, jordan bardella has been winning young supporters in particular, focusing on the cost of living, softening the image of a party once condemned as unelectable, and working alongside marine le pen. she hopes to replace macron as president in 2027. so can national rally translate their victory at the european elections to the national vote? so they have some kind of, say, a political virginity people say, we do not know what they will do if they come to power but nevertheless, let s give them a try, and if we are not happy, we will have election next time and we ll get rid of them. it s not clear what the president s thinking is, but his legacy will be defined in the coming weeks. nick beake, bbc news, outside paris. let s get some of the day s other news now. the president of malawi, lazarus chakwera, says he s ordered the search and rescue operation for his vice president, saulos chilima, to continue until the plane carrying him and nine others is found. the military aircraft is thought to have come down in bad weather on monday morning. singapore airlines says it has sent out offers of compensation to all the passengers on one of its flights which was hit by severe turbulence three weeks ago. a 73 year old british man died on the london to singapore flight and many passengers were injured. the main channel for shipping to the us port of baltimore has been fully restored, nearly 3 months after it was closed because of a collapsed bridge. us army engineers and salvage crews have been working to remove tens of thousands of tonnes of debris since a giant container ship crashed into the francis scott key bridge in march. apple has unveiled new plans to integrate artificial intelligence into its products. apple intelligence will not be an app or a product in its own right, but will instead be embedded across many apps, to assist with activities such as writing messages and supplying travel directions. we will have a lot more on that in business today. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. the next session of the ukraine recovery conference, takes place later in the german capital, berlin. it s the third recovery conference, but the first time it s been held in an eu member state. there have already been some tensions ahead of the meeting, with the resignation of the director of the state agency for restoring ukraine. for some clarity on this, timothy ash, an associate fellow at chatham house spoke to the bbc earlier. it is the third set of these conferences are driven by the fact that during the second gulf war in a row, the west forgot about recovery construction. this time around, with the ukraine war, there has been a lot of focus on what happens when the was and and ukraine s recovery and reconstruction and is about the money in the end. winning a war is very expensive. about $1 billion a year to keep ukrainian in the war. the cost to ukraine around $500 billion in damage. it could be around $1 trillion for the total reconstruction. who is going to pay on that? these conferences will have some looking at that. and also about how the money is going to be manage and co ordinated. momentum behind the idea of using assets because the numbers are so huge. $100 billion a yearjust to simply keep ukraine on the wall. to win it, 50 billion and the recovery reconstruction $1 trillion. western taxpayers properly do not want to pay for populism was very strong in the eu elections recently. in western bank accounts, russian taxpayer money, a big campaign to make sure that money is used first to pay for winning the war so that you crank it the weapons to defend itself but also from the recovery reconstruction, that has to be a key focus of the g7 summit. the us, uk, and canada using for that money to be used. lobbying from their europeans to make sure that does not happen. they are less at about it. if the money does not come, ukraine could lose the war. a jury in the us state of delaware has begun deliberating in the trial of president biden s son, hunter, on gun charges. hunter biden has told the bbc he believes his federal gun case now before a jury went well. our correspondent carl nasman spoke to mr biden as he left the court. good evening, mr biden. have a comment for bbc news? no. i m positive. how do you think it well? i positive. how do you think it well? ~ positive. how do you think it| well? we well? i think it went well. we will be keeping well? i think it went well. we will be keeping an well? i think it went well. we will be keeping an eye - well? i think it went well. we will be keeping an eye on - well? i think it went well. we | will be keeping an eye on that case. hunter biden is accused of is accused of lying about his drug use on a federal form while buying a weapon in 2018, and of illegally possessing a firearm while he was allegedly a drug user. carl nasman sent this update from the courthouse. the jury will return to this courthouse behind me here in delaware on tuesday morning to continue its deliberations to weigh the evidence and testimony that they ve heard in this trial over the past week or so. much of that has been very detailed and sometimes difficult to listen to. the prosecution has laid out its case that hunter biden was addicted to crack cocaine, that he was using the drug on or around the time that he purchased that revolver on october 2018. and that he then lied about that on a federal form. of course, all of this evidence the text messages, the pictures, video, even some audio snippets from hunter biden s memoir has played out notjust for the jury, but also for the biden family itself. many members of that family were again in court today sitting just behind hunter biden in a show of support. among them was the first lady herself, jill biden. this is already an historic case, an historic trial. but a conviction here would also be historic. hunter biden would become the first son of a sitting president to be convicted in a federal courthouse. that would carry a maximum penalty of about 25 years. it s unlikely he would serve that amount of time the discretion would be up to the judge but, of course, it s in the hands of the jury now. they will continue those deliberations on day two here on tuesday. do elephants call each other names just like us? a new study into wild african savannah elephants suggests that they do. researchers from cornell university used al to analyse noises made by elephants and found that they used different names to call out for each other. let s speak to mickey pardo, a behavioural ecologist and postdoctoral associate who led this study. welcome to the programme. thank you for having me. i wanted to correct one thing, i was actually at colorado state university when i did this study so it was a joint study of colorado state university, save the 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life so serious that when it comes to their matches, the aircraft and when they see that me and wrap nadal, yelling novak djokovic get along. coming up ahead on business today, do you use that fitness app today, do you use that fitness app strava because if you do that i do not but the people i spoke to who are using it a really enthusiastic and keen on the whole they are pretty positive about that. i have the chief executive of strava on this programme. we are also looking at apple, is it you have been hearing, apple is getting on board with openai and basically bringing chatgpt to iphones in its ai overhaul. apple has been seen to be behind end of this race. i will behind end of this race. i will be getting an expert view about this latest announcements and the rest of the business news next. hello, there. for most of us, it has been a disappointing start to the week, in terms of the weather. a frequent rash of showers, particularly across scotland, gusts of winds coming from the north, and in excess of 30 mph, at times. temperatures struggled to get into double figures, but it was a slightly different story, further south and west. just look at anglesey beautiful afternoon, lots of sunshine and temperatures peaked at around 18 or 19 degrees. high pressure is continuing to nudge its way in from the west, so west will be best, through the course of tuesday. there s still likely to be a few showers around, but hopefully few and further between. most frequent showers, certainly, are going to be across eastern scotland and down through eastern england. so, sunny spells and scattered showers going into the afternoon. that will have an impact with the temperature, 14 or 15 degrees, but again, with a little more shelter, a little more sunshine, 17 or 18 celsius not out of the question. a few scattered showers moving their way through northern ireland and scotland. hopefully, some of these will ease through the afternoon, but you can see those temperatures still really struggling ten to 15 degrees at the very best. now, as we move out of tuesday into wednesday, this little ridge of high pressure will continue to kill off the showers. so, wednesday is likely to be the driest day of the week and make the most of it there s more rain to come, but it will be a pretty chilly start, once again, to wednesday morning. single figures right across the country, low single figures in rural spots. but, hopefully, the showers should be a little bit few and further between and more favoured spots for those showers, once again, to the east of the pennines. more sunshine out to the west. temperatures, generally, similar values to what we ve seen all week, 10 to 18 degrees the high, but the wind direction will start to change, as we move into thursday. unfortunately, towards the end of the week, this low pressure will take over. we ll see further spells of rain at times, some of it heavy. but the wind direction will play its part, a little a south westerly wind means that we will see temperatures climbing a degree or so. don t expect anything too significant, because we ve got the cloud and the rain around. but it s not out of the question that across eastern and southeast england, we could see highs of 20 celsius. take care. apple finally bites into ai or apple intelligence as it calls it teaming up with open al to make siri smarter. the uk has the highest housing costs in the english speaking world. we look at the challenges for those wanting to own a home and those trying to build them. singapore airlines sets aside over a million dollars to compensate injured passengers on this flight described as absolutely terrifying . and are you a strava user? it is one of the worlds most popular fitness apps. i ll be grilling its chief executive live on this programme. hello and welcome. this is business today. after months of speculation, apple has revealed its plans for artificial intelligence in a move that chief executive tim cook has called the next 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well, not necessarily. my guest is the renowned colombian novelistjuan gabriel vasquez, who weaves powerful stories out of fact and fiction. is there anything magical about colombia s current reality? juan gabriel vasquez, welcome to hardtalk. thank you for having me. it s a pleasure to have you. now you inhabit two different intellectual worlds. you are a political commentator. it is yourjob to have instant, strong opinions for newspapers. on the other hand, you re also a novelist who writes complex, nuanced novels that are sort of riddled with doubt and uncertainty. which of these two mental attitudes comes more naturally to you? well, i m first and foremost a novelist. iwas. i began writing fiction at a very young age, and it was always my ideal to write the kind of novels that i had grown up with. but in south america, a novelist is also a citizen. and so you develop very quickly the need, the compulsion sometimes, the feeling of obligation to comment on the political reality. so in a sense, there are two different and opposite ethics. erm. you write fiction out of uncertainty and doubts and questions. novels are written to ask questions, not to give answers. but at the same time, you re a political commentator who tries to have certainties, who tries to shed doubts. are you faking it when you come up with those certainties for your columns? no, but there are few. there are very few, very few moments during the week in which you are absolutely sure about something and you write to convince, you write to do a kind of proselytism. uh, you write to try to get answers. interestingly, you dig deep into your home country, colombia, and yet you spent a significant part of your adult life out of colombia. yes. would it be correct in a way to say that you became confident in your voice, you know, exploring your home country once you d left it? yes, yes, ithink that s quite accurate. erm, in a sense, also, i was following a very old latin american tradition of leaving our countries to write about them, to understand them better. this is something that has been happening since, uh. ..since the nicaraguan poet ruben dario lived in paris and madrid in the early 20th century. and then, of course, the generation that i grew up as my role models, the latin american boom, and. and garcia, gabriel garcia marquez. ..garcia marquez. yes. ..perhaps the most famous south american author of our times. yeah, yeah. he belonged to a generation that, erm, that wrote, that retold the history of our countries from abroad. so we have this very strange situation in south america where the best novel about colombia 100 years of solitude was written in mexico, and the best novel about peru by mario vargas llosa was written in paris, and carlos fuentes, the great mexican novelist, wrote in washington and london. erm, so it is a kind of necessity, perhaps, that we find to, you know, get a little removed from the places that we are discussing. it s interesting to just reflect on garcia marquez, cos. yeah. i know it s become a bit of a cliche, but this this phrase used about his work and, indeed, 100 years of solitude was magical realism . you do something very different. yes. you use a lot of recent history, of facts, and you weave personal stories around those facts, and it s often quite brutal and it s quite violent and difficult. yes. was your writing a deliberate reaction against that sort of quote unquote magical realism ? no, no, my writing isjust the recognition that my world is different. my world view comes from a different place. i was born in a big capital city in the middle of the andes, so 2,600 metres over sea level. whereas garcia marquez was born in a very small town, caribbean town, with a very different culture and outlook. so his, his demons, his obsessions, his ghosts were quite different from mine. and you were also raised at a time of horrible violence, instability, chaos. yes. ..in your home city, bogota. yeah. i mean, did that. do you reflect on that and think, you know what, i was actually quite traumatised as a kid, as a young adult, by what was happening around me ? yes. well, when i left colombia in 1996, i was 23. erm, i thought i was leaving because i wanted to become a certain kind of writer, and that was the latin american tradition. with time, i understood that i was also fleeing the violence. i was also fleeing a, erm, a particular situation. this was the years of drug wars and drug related terrorism. erm. narco traffickers like pablo escobar were at the height of their power as you were a teenager and a young adult. exactly, exactly. napoleon says somewhere that, uh, in order to understand a man, you have to understand his world when he was 20. and i turned 20 in 1993, which was the year in which pablo escobar died at the height of his threats to the colombian system. so that s that. do you, do you think, when you reflect on it and of course, i m mindful you were writing in europe about this colombia of corruption, of chaos, of violence do you think you were, erm, expressing in a way, a sort of deep fear and anger about what had happened to your homeland? em, frustration in a sense, but mainly, uh, mainly uncertainties, maybe mainly the feeling that, the stories that were being told were not complete. i think i write out of a sense of darkness, of shadows in the collective story of my country, and i think of fiction as a way to shed some light, particularly, on that, on that very special place in which the historical meets private lives, in which private individuals, erm, as brothers and sisters and lovers and, uh, and fathers and, and siblings, they have. they suffer the consequences of politics and history and those forces that we have never learned quite how to, how to control, but that do change our lives. and this is the territory of our human experience that i try to tell in my novels. you call it fiction, but of course you fill your books with facts, sometimes very personal facts. yes. i mean, i m thinking of one of your most successful novels, the sound of things falling, which involves a plane crash. and in fact, you really did find, i think, the transcript of the recording of the last moments of a plane, which i believe was carrying a family friend, which crashed. that s right, yes. and you very literally took these horrific final moments and wrote about them. yes. you also included some other bizarre facts, like the hippo that escaped from pablo escobar s infamous zoo and which was then hunted down years later. and that was the beginning of your book. so i guess, you know, your audience might be sometimes quite confused about these blurred lines between fact and you re a journalist, so you deal in facts but then fiction, which is where you as a novelist come in. yes, i ve understood with time that in my work. my work always begins with meeting an actual person who has a story that seems to me interesting, uh, or who is hiding something, who has evidently some kind of secrets. and i start asking questions. so i always begin writing as a novel. as a journalist. i m a journalist first, and then, since my novels often deal with the colombian past, with our collective past, i turn into a historian ifind documents, i go into archives, and then the last, uh, the last person to come into the process is the novelist. and the novelist s only task is to try to say something that neither the journalist nor the historian has said. but in so doing, you twist and bend the truth. or do you not believe there is such a thing as truth? i do believe there is such a thing as truth. epistemologically i do believe that, but i don t think it s accessible through one story. i don t think one story can.interpret it fully. so you need several stories coming from several parts. and this is particularly true in my country, where we are trying to, uh, deal with a recent history of violence. and we are all trying storytellers, journalists, historians, novelists who are trying to open a space in which different stories about these last 50 years coexist, have the right to exist. but if, if your perception that, actually, truth is complex and it requires the understanding of different people s perspectives and memories. yes. ..and they can recollect the same event in very different ways. yes. where does that leave colombia s attempt to reach, you know, what in south africa was known as truth and reconciliation ? is it possible in colombia? that s what we are trying to do. the peace agreements that were passed in 2016, which i think is one of the great successes in the history of my country, these agreements between the colombian government ofjuan manuel santos and the farc guerrilla. yeah, it should be said it was with the farc group, which was the dominant insurgent group. only one of them. ..but there are many other rebel groups who have not made peace and who are not part of that agreement. exactly. but it was the biggest guerrilla, perhaps the oldest one, and the strongest one, certainly. so it was a success story to make peace with this guerrilla movement. erm, now, part of the. part of what the agreements created were two institutions, the commission of truth and the transitionaljustice tribunals. both of them are, among several other things, in charge of telling stories, opening spaces in which people can come and, uh, tell their story, be recognised as victims of violence, or as perpetrators who ask for forgiveness. the victims may or may not forgive, but the most, the most wonderful human situations have been created or allowed by this, by the institutions. and they all go through the same phenomenon of telling stories. but is it really healing wounds, or do those wounds still fester in your country? that s, that s a great question. you never know if remembering can be sometimes, erm, exciting new resentments or keeping hatred alive. erm, i do have i do have faith in the power of remembering correctly and accurately the past. carlos fuentes, the mexican novelist, said there is no living future with a dead past, and part of our role, i think, as novelists and storytellers in general, is keeping the past alive, trying to keep it true, keep it honest, so that we can understand it and move forward. ah. i mean, something pretty extraordinary happened in 2022 when the colombian electorate voted into power. yeah. ..president petro, who in a previous life, not so very long ago had been a committed guerrilla fighter in the m 19 group, and now he sits in the presidential palace. but that clearly sticks in the throat of many colombians. and ijust wonder, as you look at your country today, whether you fear that petro, who came to power pledging, quote unquote, total peace with all of the different armed groups in his country. yes. ..whether in fact his presidency is deepening polarisation. well, uh, i m very critical about president petro. i think he is a populist and a demagogue, uh, of a very old latin american tradition. but he had this unique opportunity of and this is why i thought his election was good news of implementing the peace agreements of 2016, which had been, uh, disregarded or actively sabotaged by the last conservative government of ivan duque. erm. he hasn t. it s not looking so good right now, is it? i mean, as i understand it, of the different armed groups. because he seems to be saying that he wants a, you know, an ultimate peace and a disarming of all the groups, including criminal gangs as well as insurgent rebel groups and paramilitary groups, he wants them all to be in this umbrella of total peace. yes. well, of the 20 or more different armed groups, only about five are currently engaging with the government. yes, and not only that, to me, the bad side of the whole project is that he is taking away from the 2016 agreements, all the attention and the resources and the rhetorical energy of the government. so he is forgetting them, leaving them to die a slow death through inattention, through negligence, concentrating on his own projects. erm, whereas we, we looked forward during his election to the first serious implementation of those wonderful agreements that we managed to pass in 2016 after much polarisation. it s not, it s notjust a question, is it, of the men with guns. it s also the politicians who for decades and decades, at the very least, turned a blind eye and sometimes were actively complicit in the violence, the murder, the chaos and the mayhem in your country. do you think there will be an accounting of those politicians one could say the old political elite in colombia will they be held to account? well, i certainly think they re one of the. one of the main objectives of the peace agreements and the peace negotiations has to be to find the truth, to have people speak the truth and, and accept some kind of truth as the only way for which we. a reconciliation of the country. but there has to be a reconciliation. it s absolutely no use to go through these difficult processes that have, uh, divided us and polarised us as a nation. so as you say that and you talk about your hopes for the future of your country i m just looking at my notes where i noted down that right now, opposition leaders in bogota are saying that they have plans to launch national strikes to paralyse the country if petro attempts to establish this talk of a constituent assembly, assembly to bypass parliament and the courts. there s allegations of corruption being bandied around involving close family and associates of petro, including charges that his son is facing of bribery with allegations that it was linked to campaign finance, which of course, he the son and indeed the president himself clearly deny all involvement. but nonetheless, it looks in a way like colombia is sinking back into something very dark and dangerous. i think we are not strangers to a certain kind of dynamics in the whole of the continent. 0ur continent, our continent in south america is being divided into different kinds of populisms right wing populisms such as bolsonaro in brazil some years ago and milei in argentina and the left wing populisms active in nicaragua and venezuela, which are turning their countries into failed democracies. in the middle, we have this negotiation between two kinds of extreme ideas, extreme erm, projects, political projects in colombia. and in the middle there are some looking for a way to create a new political centre of a progressive kind, and this is turning into one of the most difficult things of all. because of the current situation of that tension between what the government of petro is doing, a populist demagogue, erm. on that spectrum of latin american politics with the populism, as you describe it, of both the left and the right where do you see the greatest danger lying for colombia? which way do you believe it might. it s very clear to me that the greatest danger is that petro s government will open the way for a right wing or rather, extreme right wing populism, which is already in the making and gathering force as a reaction to what is going on from the government. that is the most worrying situation for me. underpinning much of the violence in colombia and we ve talked about politics and insurgency but underpinning much of it has been drugs. yes. narco trafficking. yeah. ..and the vast amounts of money and indeed the power that come with controlling the drugs. you have suggested that the only way out of this for a country like colombia is the full legalisation of currently illegal narcotics. yes, for any country, i would think. but particularly. what do you think that would do to colombia? erm. i think drugs are a double problem. you have public order problems linked to the violence and the corruption and the instability created by criminal gangs who try to vie for control of the trade. and on the other hand, you have public health problems linked to consumption of drugs and what that does to. the burden that places on health systems. if you legalise, every experience tells us that legalisation would get rid of the first problem violence, corruption, mafias, criminal gangs are a product of the illegal character of drugs, not of drugs themselves. and we saw that during prohibition in the united states only during prohibition did we have not only alcoholism and private problems, but also mafias and corruption and violence, which are the results of illegality, of the criminal world that is built around the protection of an illegal business. you legalise, you get probably rid of all these things, and you can devote the insane amounts of money that we use in drug wars to prevention and education and treatment of addiction. when you, as a journalist, write about the narco traffickers and the scourge that drugs represents in your country and you write about corruption and the corrosive nature of corruption you re in very dangerous territory. journalists and writers get targeted in colombia. yes. some of them occasionally get killed. do you worry about that? well, this is. this is a trend in the whole of the continent. journalists are being persecuted and imprisoned in venezuela and nicaragua. there are networks closed there. they re being actively persecuted by the government. i m interested in your personal story because we discussed you moving to europe to get a distance where you could write about colombia, but you then moved back in around, i think, around a decade or more ago. 2012, yes. yeah, so you have a presence inside colombia now. do you feel constraints on what you can say? i d rather not think about that maybe. erm. surely, you have to. well, i, uh. i do believe there s a kind of, erm.obligation i have as an intellectual, as an observer, and as a novelist. we have a certain kind of take on colombian life, novelists, erm, and it is, it is very difficult to. not to do what albert camus, who is a big figure for me, said it is the role of the journalist to say things are so when you effectively see that things are so, and this is what i try to do. and i know you are friends with many writers around the world, including salman rushdie. when you see what happens to writers who take on, uh, those who don t want their voice to be heard on certain issues, does it make you become more careful about what you say and write? well, salman, salman rushdie is a great example of somebody who has spent the last 30 years defending the freedoms the rest of us take for granted and thriving. i think he is an example of, of courage and of resilience. erm, and it s. .. for me, it s a source, it s an inspiration and a source of admiration in many senses. and you will continue to write about your country from inside your country? i have never, except for one book, i haven t written a page of fiction that is not obsessively about my country, about trying to understand its violence and trying to, uh, explore it and illuminate it. and as a journalist, i only try to defend our right our right to peace, to have a peaceful country. which is, you know, hopefully in the making, but not there immediately. juan gabriel vasquez, thank you very much forjoining me on hardtalk. it was a pleasure. thank you. hello, there. for most of us, it has been a disappointing start to the week, in terms of the weather. a frequent rash of showers, particularly across scotland, gusts of winds coming from the north, and in excess of 30 mph, at times. temperatures struggled to get into double figures, but it was a slightly different story, further south and west. just look at anglesey beautiful afternoon, lots of sunshine and temperatures peaked at around 18 or 19 degrees. high pressure is continuing to nudge its way in from the west, so west will be best, through the course of tuesday. there s still likely to be a few showers around, but hopefully few and further between. most frequent showers, certainly, are going to be across eastern scotland and down through eastern england. so, sunny spells and scattered showers going into the afternoon. that will have an impact with the temperature, 1a or 15 degrees, but again, with a little more shelter, a little more sunshine, 17 or 18 celsius not out of the question. a few scattered showers moving their way through northern ireland and scotland. hopefully, some of these will ease through the afternoon, but you can see those temperatures still really struggling ten to 15 degrees at the very best. now, as we move out of tuesday into wednesday, this little ridge of high pressure will continue to kill off the showers. so, wednesday is likely to be the driest day of the week and make the most of it there s more rain to come, but it will be a pretty chilly start, once again, to wednesday morning. single figures right across the country, low single figures in rural spots. but, hopefully, the showers should be a little bit few and further between and more favoured spots for those showers, once again, to the east of the pennines. more sunshine out to the west. temperatures, generally, similar values to what we ve seen all week, 10 to 18 degrees the high, but the wind direction will start to change, as we move into thursday. unfortunately, towards the end of the week, this low pressure will take over. we ll see further spells of rain at times, some of it heavy. but the wind direction will play its part, a little a south westerly wind means that we will see temperatures climbing a degree or so. don t expect anything too significant, because we ve got the cloud and the rain around. but it s not out of the question that across eastern and southeast england, we could see highs of 20 celsius. take care. live from london, this is bbc news. the united nations security council adopts a us resolution supporting an immediate ceasefire in gaza here in the uk, campaigning continues as the conservatives launch their election manifesto today. jurors have started deliberating in the trial of president biden s son, hunter. later in the program, we ll be finding out how elephants call to each other using their names. and coming up in business strava is one of the worlds most popular fitness apps. i ll be speaking to its chief executive on this programme. hello, i m sally bundock. a very warm welcome to the programme. the united states is making a major push to pause fighting in gaza, with diplomatic efforts taking place both in the region and at the united nations. the un security council endorsed a ceasefire proposal for gaza on monday. it is the first time the council has passed a resolution demanding a stop in fighting, after eight months of war. the resolution urges both hamas and israel to fully and quickly implement the three phase plan. 1a countries voted in favour, and russia abstained. us ambassador to the un linda thomas greenfield says the resolution shows hamas that the international community is united. colleagues, today this council sent a clear message to hamas. accept the ceasefire deal on the table.