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for more on this, we're joined by deborah elms, the head of trade policy at the hinrich foundation. trade officials have been struggling to figure out trade officials have been struggling to figure out what is it. and that took a long time to work on. what are we actually talking about for that in the end they created this sort of platform, if you will i think it's easy to think of it that way in which a number of important issues could be discussed in the future. that's complicated, what we can to discuss, what's the right platform trademark to make that happen? and because of the novelty it took a while. what is she heping _ novelty it took a while. what is she hoping to _ novelty it took a while. what is she hoping to get - novelty it took a while. what is she hoping to get out - is she hoping to get out of these meetings?— is she hoping to get out of these meetings? from her perspective _ these meetings? from her perspective she _ these meetings? from her perspective she runs - these meetings? from her perspective she runs threej these meetings? from her. perspective she runs three of the four pillars. they want signatures on two of them but they also want the beginnings of the framework to be filled out, if you will by getting a bunch of investments so they have a number of countries that came in with projects that they are looking for funding. they had a number of investors that
and there'll be bigger arguments going on in both of the two big westminster parties as to whether or not, back to the prominence point, this very row who this very real serves. very i’ow serves . because it does it somehow drip into the sort of bloodstream for the vast majority of people who pay not a vast amount of attention to politics, that there's this thing going on about labour and higher taxes? even if the number doesn't even cross their cost, even if the number doesn't even cross their path, if you like, versus, i suppose, that kind of sense of does it dents the conservatives believability or credibility if there's a sense that folk are saying, hang on a minute, that doesn't sound right. because, of course, the thing the thing here that the conservatives, as you say, are being pointed to with a question mark over their approach is not because they are making the suggestion that there might be unfunded spending commitments. they're entitled to make that suggestion or have that as an attack line as labour have done to the conservatives. it's the fact they've put a figure on it and attributed that figure to the treasury without the wider context.
why is the "wall street journal" actually writing this article, stating the obvious and feels like biden is trying to push biden off stage right. we need to figure out to switch and somebody new. i think it's too late. boxed themselves in the corner. part of it has been the obama-biden clinton, couldn't figure out who should we place him. now they have got situation where they have extremely weak president going into this fall election. i want to make this point. even if they were to replace biden, it's -- is he a terrible messenger. it's the policies would stay the same. you might change the messenger but the message remains. that messenger whoever it might be might be able to put together coherent sentences, democrats are committed to this dangerous and detrimental systematically destructive policies. >> laura: go to ari here that is a salient point. we have been chronically biden's decline since april of 2020 on the angle. before anyone was like -- like there is something going on here. something not right.
it was a gross number, not a net number, but that number was very prominent, not least because there was all of the rows about it. now, as i say, that was wrong. this claim is misleading. i think the label that i think is reasonable to attach to it is different. but the provenance question is the same one. so as a reporter, as a collection of reporters, i mean, you could choose just not to do it. you could say, you know what, we're not going to do it. what use is this figure to an auditor, to our audience, to newscasters and elsewhere? we're not going to do it, but that's an active choice as well. and would it be right for us not to report on the most lively and contentious arguments in politics today? because it would feel a bit like censorship. well, indeed, yeah. so for what it's worth, in myjudgment, we should cover it. we should cover the row. we should explain why we've decided to do what we've done, which is what i'm attempting to do now, and then set out our workings as to why we're giving something, a label, so that a newscaster or a wider listener or reader or viewer can come to a view as to whether or not they think our label is a reasonable
congress during hearings there. i wanted to give you the floor for a moment to defend dr. fauci if you like but also remind viewers about the early months of the pandemic how fluid the situation was and how doctors and scientists tried their best and frankly saved millions of lives. >> what i'll leave you with is that the vaccines have been estimated to save up to 1.2 million lives. jonathan, dr. fauci oversaw operation warp speed. all the good work that went into saving all those seven figure lives was based on him and the work actually done here. it's easy to forget it, oeasy to politicize it now. but because of his work and his leadership, we're seeing a lot of averted deaths, and i think we missed that point as this wo the months ahead. we'll certainly be checking back in with you on the pandemic and also this summer heat and what to do to stay safe. dr. gupta, thank you, as always.
the amount of people leaving the country is the same as the amount people coming into the country. and he's a very charismatic, appealing figure, too many people to the right of politics, not even on the hard right, because he's not as extremely as you'd see in other parts of europe. he couple of weeks ago said he wouldn't be running. then he went fishing, apparently went on a walk and decided that he would run. he said he wanted to focus on the us election because he's obviously close to donald trump as well. but he is going to run and it's a big threat because it's going to take away from the conservative vote and as rishi sunak has said, a vote for nigel farage is actually a vote. the labor, the left party because it'll take votes away from the conservative party has point is basically you're either going to have keir starmer as a prime minister or rishi sunak, if you vote for the reform party effectively, putting keir starmer in downing street by splitting up that support on the conservative side. very interesting at max, can we dig in for a second, two for rogers
smart republican strategist also saying no matter the dollar amount both men are going to have enough to run through the tape and run in finished this election with plenty of campaign cash with that in mind, how important are these numbers right now? >> not that important because i am actually not that impressed by this figure. i thought it would be higher really. >> yeah, because this monday was already sitting out there in the ether. >> it was just waiting to be active beta by this conviction, these are people who had already planned to give. these are people who are motive by fear and anger. and this was a bump that comes from, again, a sensational headline. and this is what donald trump needs to survive where's this money going to go though? that's the question let's not forget three more cases sit on deck. legal fees are exorbitant we also know that the rnc has been transparent these days talking about how they will pay for trump's legal fees. it was already done during ronna mcdaniel time. we don't think it's going to increase under lara trump sitting over there and the leadership, it's absolute going to happen. but i am not impressed by the
finding that? we would reverse the conservatives' tax cuts for the - finding that? we would reverse the conservatives' tax cuts for the big i conservatives' tax cuts for the big banks so the conservatives have given a big giveaway to the big banks, who are making billions of pounds in profits, and if we can reverse those tax cuts to the big banks, then we can fully fund this particular place. the banks, then we can fully fund this particular place-— particular place. the nuffield trust, dlthink_ particular place. the nuffield trust, dl think tank - particular place. the nuffield trust, dl think tank suggest | particular place. the nuffield - trust, dl think tank suggest that the costings we have outlined, the personal care pledge and the value making to raise the pay of care workers looks inadequate, what do you say? workers looks inadequate, what do ou sa ? �* ., , ., you say? i've not seen that particular— you say? i've not seen that particular criticism - you say? i've not seen that particular criticism but - you say? i've not seen that particular criticism but we | you say? i've not seen that - particular criticism but we have done our research on this, the health foundation estimated it would cost 6.2 billion and our pledge is additional money that would get us to that figure. we think our estimates are quite conservative, quite cautious, because we have not factored in the enormous savings that could be made to the nhs budget, which we think it save more than £3 billion by making sure that this system is in place, with proper, free personal care you can support people in independence and
affecting the uk and their plans to address them. so what can you expect to hear? 0ur political correspondent nick eardley is taking a look. good morning. yes, the first head to head debate tonight, big moment in the campaign, but which claims can you trust and which can't you? bbc verify is going to be here tonight looking at that. we don't know exactly what's going to come up, but we've been preparing based on some of the claims we've had in the past few days. and i wanted to mention a couple that it's worth casting a skeptical ear over if you hear them tonight. let's start with the economy, a key battleground for both keir starmer and rishi sunak. both parties have made big claims about what the other�*s policies would mean. so what are the facts? let's start with this claim. the conservatives are claiming that there's a £38 billion gap in labour's spending plans and they say to fill it labour will have to put taxes up. it's worth being sceptical about this figure, though.
then that's great. i'm delighted to say we will be hearing from andrew in a moment. let's have a look at the economic and cultural impact of the or unlivable. claire has been involved in the cultural side and that is looking at the economics. can we put a figure on how much the tour will boost liverpool's economy? conservative estimate would be 20 million pounds. here they are looking at £12 million here, so it could be 20 to £40 million directly into the visitor experience economy into the visitor experience economy in the night—time economy. who in the night-time economy. who benefits from _ in the night-time economy. who benefits from that? _ in the night-time economy. who benefits from that? the - in the night-time economy. who - benefits from that? the businesses, but all the employees _ benefits from that? the businesses, but all the employees of— benefits from that? the businesses, but all the employees of the - but all the employees of the businesses, there is a huge ripple effect of the visitors from something like taylor swift on the economy. something like taylor swift on the econom . ., , ., something like taylor swift on the econom . ., y., ., ., 4' something like taylor swift on the econom . ., i. ., economy. claire, when you look at the economic— economy. claire, when you look at the economic impact, _ economy. claire, when you look at the economic impact, you - economy. claire, when you look at the economic impact, you can - economy. claire, when you look at - the economic impact, you can measure it in terms of numbers and spending, but how do you assess the cultural benefit and impact of a tour like