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the foggiest of memories or less tan truthful. but time and time again the witnesses and the evidence contradict their foggy memories. so i think they should be given an opportunity to come back and tack to us. >> and do you have an expectation there will be another hearing and when do you think this report will finally come out? >> well, the report will come out before the end of the year. i'm not going to get into specifics. and this is the last of the planned hearings. i think for a little bit, for a few weeks. however, some things could change as committee always maintains the ability to have hearings and call witnesses based on information in front of us. clearly with this step of subpoena to the former president, we are open to activity in the near feature. >> congressman pete aguilar, thank you for your time this morning. really appreciate it.
i think i'll leave it at that. but i'll say what i've said before, which is that those two individuals either have the foggiest of memories, or they were less than truthful. >> reporter: now, pete aguilar was referencing tony ornato's denial of that account that he told had cassidy hutchinson. so they're going to bring in any new information likely included in the final report. and other big question looming over economy is whether they will issue criminal referrals for donald trump or anyone in his inner circle. that is something that is certainly a possibility but has not been cited yet. >> it is something that at the end of the day for the doj to decide on. melanie, thank you. well let's bring back our panel of the experts. so jennifer, what did you make of aguilar saying that they may bring back some witnesses and requestion them. the questions about obstruction
>> yeah, i think absolutely. look, we know that the longer on inflation you wait to tackle it, the harder it's going to be. and i think that's why the biden folks have been shy about doing it. and as you say, they've been going about it exactly the wrong way. you know, when inflation first came up, they were claiming build back better was, you know, the way to do it. you know, dumping trillions more into the economy. i don't think they have the foggiest clue what to do. so their economic problem is looming stagflation. when the fed, i think, inevitably has to raise rates, and their political problem is they keep trying to explain this away. the greed of the meat producers and so forth. and the ordinary american doesn't get news about inflation from the chairman of the fed or the treasury secretary. he gets it when he goes to the shell station, you know, it costs him more money to fill up,
he does not have the foggiest idea in my opinion of what is going on. i think we have weakness at the top of the defense department. and further more, mig 29s would trigger a nuclear response? on one hand, one side of their mouths say they, they don't need them. they are not good enough. they are not going to do anything that javelins spinning stingers don't, then they say if we send them the migs they will trigger a nuclear war. we know why they need them. you need the mobility. am i missing something? >> you are right. to take that backwards. both things can't be true, you can't say, we have to
he does not have the foggiest idea in my opinion of what is going on. i think we have weakness at the top of the defense department. and further more, mig 29s would trigger a nuclear response? on one hand, one side of their mouths say they, they don't need them. they are not good enough. they are not going to do anything that javelins spinning stingers don't, then they say if we send them the migs they will trigger a nuclear war. we know why they need them. you need the mobility. am i missing something? >> you are right. to take that backwards. both things can't be true, you can't say, we have to
omnibus bills, bigger than telephone bells, massive regulations and requirements, that is the kind of bill they want to mass. when in a represented republic like ours we're supposed to be able to participate. how are we supposed to do that? they tell members you have 48 hours to vote on it. people claim they know what is in this. in media, they have not the foggiest. then a vote that is rammed through by democrat, hope that one democrat senator from west virginia and one democrat senator
intentions, working hard. but i don't think we did very well. we made a lot of mistakes that we've made in prior efforts like vietnam and others. and i find that sad as well. we could have done better. >> what mistakes did we make that we had previously made? >> you could start with the idea that we didn't understand the problem. the complexities of the environment i think weren't appreciated. we went for what we felt would work quickly over what would have likely worked over the longer term. >> complexities that caused one top national security official to say privately, "we didn't have the foggiest notion of what we were undertaking." did you ever think that almost 20 years later we would still be there? >> no. i don't think any of us did.
find that sad, as well. we could have done better. >> what mistakes did we make that we had previously made? >> you could start with the idea that we didn't understand the problem. the complexities of the environment i think weren't appreciated. we went for what we felt would work quickly over what would have likely worked over the longer term. >> complexities that cause one top national security official to say privately quote we didn't have the foggiest notion of what we were undertaking. did you ever think that almost 20 years later we would still be there? >> i don't think any of us did. that's another place where i think we could have done better. i don't think we sat around a table ever and talked about where is this going to be in 20 years? in fact, early in the time that i was there, we were instructed not to build anything that
white house press secretary jen psaki is going to begin briefing in a second. and when she does we're going to take at least the top of the remarks. but before psaki begins we are in a period where people are taking a look back at the 20 years. and craig whitlock from "the washington post" got reports on this. and you have a very potent quote in that. you told the inspector general for afghanistan in 2015, quote, we were devoid of a fundamental understanding of afghanistan. we didn't know what we were doing. what are we trying to do here? we didn't have the foggiest notion of what we were undertaking. if the american people knew the magnitude of this dysfunction 2,400 lives lost. you called it a fundamental lack of knowledge that the u.s. had about afghanistan. did the u.s. ever really come to understand afghanistan? >> well, first of all, afghanistan is an enormously
having people come into this country. he knows it -- who have this virus while telling people who have been vaccinated they have to mask up, their children have to mask up and so forth. he is destroying this country, in many respects from within, and the republicans act like it's another day, so they are so excited -- watch this guy cassidy on -- it was the most appalling thing i have ever seen, from louisiana and the others. they are very self-righteous, these 18 republicans about how important this is, and we've shown we're bipartisan. you know, the democrats don't care if they're bipartisan or not. they got reconciliation. they are lined up to go, baby. this is just part of a strategy for them. they play short ball. they play long ball. well, i think our guys are in the left field stance. i don't think they have the foggiest idea what's going on, and they certainly don't have the guts to fight it. i want to ask you about this, does something within the republican party, does something need to happen? i mean, we're facing the most