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and nobody needs that, especially if you have this much of a lead. what will happen, the donors will look at this and individual people that want to stroke a check for a max out of a 2,500 contribution, everybody will be looking at this debate on fox news, because they want to see who the breakout candidate from be. right now with a slight edge, it's ron desantis. that could change. because vivek ramaswamy is energetic, he's alive. he's very knowledgeable when it comes to policy and very clear. let's see how he does on stage. as well as nikki haley. we have seasoned pros out there. chris christie. so a lot of the donors will be watching to see who will manage to come out on top of that debate. either way, this is going to be a huge fund-raising opportunity for donald trump after that
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not have. >> it's amazing. what's important, as we go forward and listen to trump this afternoon in the days to come, donald trump treats every legal like a pr problem in a fund raising opportunity. that's what he's gonna continue to do. he's gonna rile up his base. he sees it work. he may even thrown a nickname for jack smith for all we know. he's just gonna do what he usually does. what's so amazing about that indictment, first of all, i'm not an attorney. i really followed it, quite easily. it was there to be digested by regular people. >> it's funny, we've all read a lot of indictments by now. more indictments that i ever thought i'd read in my lifetime, even as a journalist, this was a very readable document. you could follow it quite easily, and not have gone to law school. >> but like an episode of scandal. >> that's how easy it was. >> what's interesting, when you think that indictment, you followed up with jack smith's words about read it. everyone should be held
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campaign or career-ending moment and try to turn it into something positive but how do you see this moment, as we wait, it's 2:15, this is when we were supposed to see the indictment read. >> well, donald trump is the master of the craft. this is part of it, everything is a fund raising opportunity. but at some point, the exterior, proclamations, fundraising have to give way to the cold reality of the law just think about what's happening now. he's being fingerprinted andrea and i have been fingerprinted. it's one of our prouder moments of our life. we've done it covering servants. and for the former president facing a criminal charge, it's a big, big deal and pretty disturbing, i would think. >> what about, there was an indictment against michael cohen
it would cost him in the senate. but also the election deniers in close races. they lost 2 to 1. so, yes, donald trump, trump-ism is absolutely not working with independent voters in purple areas. so, him running for the ticket, it is not good news for the republican party. >> but maybe good news for democrats? they're already turning the announcement into a fund raising opportunity. are they rubbing their hands at the chance, possibly, to run against him in 2024 to make that election a referendum on donald trump? >> i would imagine that democrats are very happy right. now it's going to be a bloodbath between desantis and trump. i can imagine they will weaken each other. whoever makes it to the final will, yes, this is a dream for democrats. >> alice, what -- go ahead, go ahead. >> no, i agree completely. look, democrats would love nothing more than donald trump to be a republican nominee.
going to monitor the debate that is about to unfold on the house floor, they will respond in real time. we will likely hear from the president for the first time when he departs from his big rally tonight in michigan. that is about 4:30 this afternoon. and that will be a chance for him to give his first full throated response to all of this. and it is worth noting that the campaign sees this as a potential fundraising possibility. they have been fundraising six times as much as usual on any given day in the wake of these impeachment hearings. and they expect that to continue. so really mixed emotions here. >> let me go to debbie. congresswoman, there is something grotesque about a president who sees this impeachment as a fundraising opportunity. nixon said i gave them a sword and they thrust it in with relish. he admitted that he had done
am still a force in this party, that i can still move people to the polls for you, so stay in line behind me and i will be there to help you. they knew matt bevin was a bad candidate, they knew john bel edwards was popular. so they knew it was a risk but the reward -- >> you could be a pro-life democrat. >> that's right. >> that's true. but not reflective of who the democrats will be running in 2020. >> they'll be pro choice, yeah. >> but i will say they have time and a lot of money. every rally they do is also a fund-raising opportunity. so if they can get 10,000 people in a stadium for a john -- to campaign against john bel edwards, for example, and he loses, they still got 10,000 people in an audience who they now have cell phone numbers for, who they can text and hit up for money. >> so win or loss for him altogether. >> for trump? >> yeah. >> better if he would have won.
talk with my hand and i was fighting for my state and the will of law and for him to just blow me off constantly and continuously is wrong and they want to spin it that it was a terrible law we signed, senate bill 1770 and it mirrors federal law so now i am a racist and a big it. shannon: i remember covering that when it was argued in the supreme court and i worried about your safety because there were rowdy crowds. obviously very emotional on both sides but i want to read reaction to what happened in 2012. bob schaffer said it is another sign of the growing instability and solidarity of modern american politics, your picture, you talking with president obama. the new york times talking about nancy pelosi says democrats saw a powerful woman sling and impetuous man, like a mother scolded a toddler at a fundraising opportunity. final word for you on the
son did anything wrong. an entity connected to hunter biden made millions, but from my point of view a board member can be paid whatever a company decides. they didn't violate any ukrainian laws. whether or not the board members violated u.s. law is not for me to judge. sarah murray, cnn washington. >> joining me now, a white house correspondent, let me ask you this, biden looking to, you know, looking to leverage the allegations into turning it into a fundraising opportunity, and i'm wondering how strategic is that? >> it is not just biden, a lot of candidates have jumped on the new revelations reported by several news outlets making the case for impeaching president trump. you saw that most strongly with senator elizabeth warren.