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kowtowing to that faction. look, seeing the rise of a kind of coalition arrangement in the house is good for the united states of america. it's good for this country when we have bipartisan legislation that protects american allies and protects american national security. this is one of those no-brainer pieces of legislation in many ways that was being held up by some of the weirdest, wildest, craziest, and almost you hate to call them arguments, in american public life. just wild propaganda was holding up this aid. i think at long last, he realized he's not really speaker of the house, not really, if he is beholden to marjorie taylor greene. so this is where he decides he has to be speaker of the house if he is going to hold that position. marjorie taylor greene, if she's going to take him on, let her do her worst. i think this was not just an important moment for ukraine, for israel, for taiwan, it was a very important moment for american governance. i've known mike johnson for many
courts, they have taken the position that nothing, and i'm not just saying this about juan mershon certainly the case in washington is also a gag order, they have taken the position there is nothing more important in this society than the administration of justice in their little trials. i don't mean to poke fun at it so much as to say you know, there is a lot of interest in american governance that are more important than the outcome of any trial no matter how important the trial seems. like having a presidential campaign, where people who are competing for the most important office on the planet are able to speak robustly which is what is in the public interest. the courts don't think they have to seed any ground to that. even though it is very common in constitutional law when important public interests
face. are you one of those? >> i am absolutely going to ensure speaker johnson is not punished for doing the right thing. i'm hesitant to negotiate through the media on these issues because the right way for this to proceed is for the leader of the democratic party in the house, hakeem jeffries, to work with speaker johnson. and if democrats stay unified to give him the maximum leverage to ensure that democratic majorities are being negotiated. >> basically when i talked to congresswoman pramila jayapal she said we can't do something for nothing. >> it's such a testament to how far the gop has ronald reagan, if he could hear this, would be turning in his grave. this is something we have to extract from the house republicans. but that is a big part of the something. i think we also need to see that speaker johnson is committed to competent governance going forward. the american people are exhausted by the last 18 months
and so having these loyalists is not going to produce good governance. because authoritarians are not interested in governance, they are interested in total control, interning a public office into a source of private profit. trump already did a lot of that. he tried that the first time. so this is the kind of giant bureaucratic machine that is already activated to make sure that they can hit the ground running. lastly, that disturbs me that they keep talking about ready to go on day one. there is going to be a lot of chaos if they even try to abolish these major departments like commerce. what is that going to do to business? do they think trump will be great for business? ask them what they think about abolishing the department of commerce. >> business leaders are risk managers. they do not want chaos, they want predictability. they watcom. project 2025 is the opposite of that. we urge people to familiarize
television. i don't think it makes necessarily for good governance. the thing we just watched highlights the very big differences between a political investigation that takes place in congress and a real criminal investigation that takes place with law enforcement and professional prosecutors. they are radically different things and designed for different purposes. if they make a criminal referral to the department of justice we know it's dead like the impeachment charges. we knew those would be dead on arrival in the senate. a criminal referral to joe biden's department of justice will be dead on arrival. if you contrast this with what we see with prosecutors going after donald trump for minuscule administrative or bookkeeping violations you have the biden situation where all this money with hunter's business dealings was spread around joe biden's family. if the roles were reversed i guarantee the department of justice would be going after donald trump. >> harris: the democrat there
made yet on how the country will respond. officials say they're considering a range of options. meanwhile, iran's president warned yesterday even the tiniest attack by izrlt would bring a, quote, severe and harsh response. joining us now is congressman jake ocen closs of massachusetts. when you see the way netanyahu is responding to the u.s. asking for restraint, what's your reaction to that? >> israel has a right to respond to this unprecedented attack from iran. the wisest response would be to channel this coalition of western arab-israeli air defense into the same kind of coalition that can help return the hostages and rebuild gaza. what truly threatens iran would be an arab, israel western coalition that provides governance to gaza and that
why would the rest of the region want a labour mayor? so, let's be clear, birmingham has had many issues and mistakes have been made. but we can't avoid the fact that the government have taken £1 billion out of the budgets of the city council, and that's done a lot of damage. from the contest here, to the wider landscape. north yorkshire, much of the north—east of england and the east midlands are electing mayors for the first time in a fortnight. elsewhere, it's still fairly new. what do you think should happen next with mayors, and what would you say to the person who says, it'sjust yet more politicians? in many places, mayors are only being elected for the second or third time. so it's a relatively new kind of governance that we're seeing. i think there's quite a strong case, both from an economic and social point of view, but also from a fairness and democratic point of view, for evening out that patchwork and completing the map of english devolution. that'll be a call for whoever governs after the general election. firstly it's local, mayoral and police and crime commissioner
comes to that, but at the end of the day, guys, we're playing politics. it still doesn't mean you get something for nothing. listen to my conversation with jake oken clos who sounded open to it. >> what's the something that you would need? >> first of all, the idea that the something that we need has to be support for democratic allies in israel and taiwan and ukraine is such a testament to how far the gop has fallen. we need to see speaker johnson is committed to competent governance. >> democrats are having consistent and evolving conversations as they see the bill text, as they see how this rule vote is going to go in this hour. all of these are real moving pieces, but it's going to be a fascinating mix of bipartisan priorities, the ways that these parties are coming together, what they're voting for, and if they're willing to cross party lines to save the speakership. this place has been -- always been bonkers this congress, ana,
council tax is through the ceiling and services are being cut. why would the rest of the region want a labour mayor? so, let's be clear, birmingham has had many issues and mistakes have been made. but we can't avoid the fact that the government have taken £1 billion out of the budgets of the city council, and that has done a lot of damage. from the contest here to the wider landscape. north yorkshire and the east midlands are electing mayors for the first time in a fortnight. elsewhere, it's still fairly new. what you think should happen next with mayors, and what would you say to the person who says, it'sjust yet more politicians? in many places, mayors are only being elected for the second or third time. so it's a relatively new kind of governance we are seeing. i think there is quite a strong case, both from an economic and social point of view, but also from a fairness and democratic point of view for evening of that and completing the map of english devolution. that will be a call for whoever governs after the general election. firstly it is local, mayoral and police and crime commissioner
deeply, deeply concerning. >> you are a historian, ruth. what are some historical conspiracies for this plan? >> sadly, in order to have a culture, a bureaucratic and governance culture that supports autocracy, you have got to have the right people. we have seen this already in the gop. the right people are, of course, the wrong people. the worst people possible. the lawless people. the people who are already corrupt. trump did this, in his first term. he had people in his circle and in his civil service who are already corrupt. for example, so many people who disregarded the hatch act. that is like a contagion. for people who comply with corruption, this is a recipe and starting with, when the fascists did this, they would recruit in prison. they would recruit criminals to be in a civil service because that set the right kind of tone.