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The Story With Martha MacCallum

back to you, gillian. >> gillian: all right, griff. thank you. just a moment ago, fox news managed to catch up with house minority leader hakeem jefferys. democratic lawmakers as it turns out are largely down playing sometimes outright dismissing claims from whistle-blowers that president biden may have been involved in his son's foreign business deals. listen. >> should he acknowledge his grandchildren and b, do you think that these issues are striking down his campaign? >> you have no idea what you're talking about in terms of the second part of your question. he's going to have a phenomenal story to tell. the american people understand when folks are trying to distract the public. today we're voting on chickens and bats? that's the center piece of your agenda? >> gillian: all right. let's bring in the congress

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clashed with the official government proclamations. >> martha: doesn't sound like the united states or the democracy that this country was founded on, does it? >> it's really crazy. part of the reason that they did it is -- this is clear in the papers. we have discovery documents. the b.b.c. organized it. in truth, the real competitors are the thousands of new news organizations that have sprouted up like mushrooms on the internet that are destroying our business model. >> martha: it's a loss of control. >> right. we need to choke them off. the way to do that is by deplatforming any of these organizations that doesn't follow our story. we're suing them on the sherman antitrust act. >> you saw hakeem jefferys there. he came after you forcefully. they're suggesting that you are

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we pay our bills, whether we left the debt ceiling, suspend it. we can't default. what the problem solvers have said, we have to deal with our debt and deficit issues and be responsible. this can't be looking at tomorrow. it has to be looking down the road. >> neil: thanks, gentlemen. we're tight for time here. democrats now are speaking on this. hakeem jefferys, the house minority leader made some ways with progressives that he was open to a spending freeze. let's listen in. >> that is fiscal responsibility? but yet three times house democrats worked with the trump administration without gamesmanship, partisanship, brinksmanship to make sure that america did not default and that we paid our bills. so why are things different right now? why are house republicans being so unreasonable and so extreme?

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we're not in the negotiations. i can hasten to add that hakeem jefferys thought it would be a good thought to entertain tax increases. there you have about 20 minutes later, kevin mccarthy saying tax increases are not something that we're looking to do no bridge over that dyke. let's get the read again on all of this back with franchesca chambers, lee carter. that's one area where the two are far apart. even when it comes to hakeem jefferys putting his weight behind some spending freeze. we don't know how long, how much. he's open to it. that is earning the wrath of some conservatives. the pound of flesh and something

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exceptions for things like veteran benefits and and defense. the gap still remains. the two sides are working. the white house says that mccarthy is working in good faith. that's not what is being echoed by house democrats. pete aguillar said that kevin mccarthy is beholden to the most extreme members of his conference. hakeem jefferys spent the day slamming maga republicans for dangerous default gamesmanship. >> is jeffries speaking for the party? >> he's the leader of the democratic caucus. >> there's a bit of a divide between the rhetoric that he's using and the rhetoric out of the white house. >> multiple things can happen at the same time. clearly leader jeffries is a partner in this, has been a partner as well as leader schumer. that will continue. >> karine jean-pierre rejected the idea that a discharge petition that jeffries is pushing signals that house

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the president cannot pass his proposal out of the u.s. senate. if he could, chuck schumer would do it. that is why he has to have an agreement with speaker mccarthy. let's get the job done. >> trace: all right. we might have gotten a first sign among the democrats, hakeem jefferys that said he's somewhat open to a spending freeze. he's caught hell from progressives a couple of your members that said the president's plan is worth looking at with or without the tax increases that you alluded to. does that form the mild ground, chairman? i don't want you to give away negotiations. seems like that indicates a democrat willing to do something republicans want, a republican open to something that democrats want. what do you think? >> yeah, i think that whenever you have negotiations, you have to meet somewhere in the middle.

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i hope nobody, nobody draws red lines in the sand. >> but there's now optimism that the sides can reach a deal even with the president overseas and the senate in recess next week. >> we know how this will be. there's going to be a deal. there's no use blowing it up and not having the president to go to australia. it's silly. find the middle ground and get on with it. i'll leave it up to the president's judgment. >> hakeem jefferys today advocated that his members sign a discharge petition. they could go around the speaker and put a debt ceiling bill on the floor if they get 218 votes. but gop members are not expected to sign. neil? >> neil: bottom line, chad, even if they strike a deal this hour, there's a process to go through. that takes time, right? >> it would probably take through the weekend to get this in to legislative form.

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on adding australia and new guinea to that. they are far apart on the core requirements like a work requirement to receive federal benefits. they hope it will at least get back to something that we saw in the days of president clinton and newt gingrich. that did not seem to be in the offing here, hakeem jefferys, the democratic leader was dead set against that as a nonstarter proposal. democrats are now coming out to say where they think things stand. chuck schumer is among them. here's schumer. >> we also agreed that we need to pass a bipartisan bill with bipartisan support in both chambers. i asked speaker mccarthy, does he agree with that. he said yes.

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>> you'll know it when you see it. what that means is that we'll not sacrifice or values. they'll probably not sacrifice their values but we'll have to come together on something that can avoid default. default is a disaster. full stop. everyone understood that in the room. i was glad to see that everyone understood what a disaster default was. >> are you closer the a deal today than a week ago? >> yes. it was as the leader said, it was a much more cordial meeting. there were honest and real discussions about differences that we have on a whole variety of issues. it was all respectful. that was a good sign as well. okay. you want to say one thing? >> i know this is new for you. but if both of you could speak to the challenge. our commander-in-chief is a tough negotiator. >> president biden has done an

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think we can look at this quickly and come to a conclusion on what george santos did and didn't do through ethics a safe bipartisan committee, equal number of republicans and democrats and i think that's when you bring it back to congress and if it rises -- >> [question inaudible] >> i'd like to refer this to ethics. i'll have a conversation with hakeem. i'd like them to move rapidly. there's enough information out there now that they can look at this and come back to congress probably faster than a court case could. >> to be clear, are you saying you're going to move to expel schiff? >> no. i'm raising the question to you. if the democrats keep this priority, which they have not held to their own members in the past and for congress to work proper live just like every american, you should have due process, right? now what are we finding with the durham case? right? the democrats rose and wanted to

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