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>> you're hearing this from j. d.? >> yes. >> and the wife -- story. >> she tells the same thing. >> so you go see chris? >> we go see chris. same things. when was the last time you saw? robin what was illiberal each and? he said i'm with my mom. he had an alibi. >> so he's on the bottom of the list? >> yes. he's at the bottom. >> jared soon moved to the bottom too. but jd was about to move up the investigators list. because his story was about to change. coming up! >> this dreadful trying to figure out everything. >> an ex husband caught an ally. >> did you have any plans to meet robin that evening? >> no. >> how do you explain these text messages? let me read this to you. >> when dateline continues! [ tires screeching ] jordana, easy on the gas.
specifics of the flow of information, how the bidenspsn. moved the money, what was the method that they used in order to move the moneat was ty who accepted the money? who got the money? how did they spend the moneysed the irs? i think these officials actually know how it's done and they're going to be able to the very first time in a public setting under oath be able to explain to the american people how this scam was work. it the walls closing in on the biden family syndicate. gregean: the i think they are and credit goes to the congressional committees and i >> ck part ofe the focus will be this smoking gun document that the ways and means committee has come up with, which shows that the u.s. attorney's office in delaware signed off e u.s. a on serious felony charges against hunter biden. and i think those whistleblowers will tell us what happenedthose to those felony charges. >> yeah. all right, greg, jared, thank you. >> jason chaffetz, thank you. when we come back, wh the only
january six committee that she tried to talk the president out of it multiple times and eventually, just talk talking to him. she did not even show for work on january six because she was so disgusted with the way that things were going. she had repeatedly tried to dissuade him from continuing down the path that he was on. he basically would say to people and meetings, hope does not believe in me. hope does not believe in the stuff. commissioner, similarly said the president genuinely thought that he won but if you are the the department of justice it's important to smoke out these people. you need to understand what their testimony is before you charge the former president for example, or others. i also think that jared is a very valuable witness with respect to other aspects of this investigation. not limited to the campaign finance angle that we understand from the washington post, might be a focus for jack smith. >> okay, lisa reuben as always, good to see you. i will see you again soon. republicans, they made a lot of noise during the hearing with
carroll trial, not a criminal trial but a civil one in the southern district of new york, there were a number of jurors there who faced on responses that they gave during jury selection. you would've thought had been partial to trump, and that's a jury that unanimously return the verdict in cairo's favor. i have confidence however this case has tried, whenever it is, tried donald trump will get a fair trial because department of justice has an interest in making sure that is so as well. >> he has talked about the reports that hope hicks and jared kushner testified last month before january six contrary. and you know the saying, lisa many are called fewer chosen. what is the significance of putting these two on the stand, even if according to reports, they likely gave divergent points of view. >> well you know in some respects, they might have given the same view and i will tell you why. both jared and hope are people who say that they genuinely believe that the president thought that he had one. hope testified before the
time the things that he is out he gets pulled back in? >> he is unhappy about it. the entire familial relationship has gone south. you see jarrett and even into stepping away. i said it on cnn program with alison camerota about a year ago, that's hard to believe that jared and ivanka were the inside mulls. not that i have any information to prove it. >> you think they were the ones talking -- >> yes, because jerry does not want to see the inside of a prison cell. he knows what it is like through his father's eyes, he knows how difficult it was for him and his siblings. he doesn't want to do the same thing to his children. i have always believed it and, especially the fact that jarred was always known in the white house as the secretary of everything. with all of the things that went on, how come there is no investigation into jared? he comes out, several months later, he has got two billion from the saudis, a couple hundred millions from the other gulf coast countries, there is no investigation into the
adviser. when bill barr, for example, wanted to put a stop to these fraudulent, the election has been stolen, all these wild goose chases, he went to jared kushner and said, can you do something about this. and jared said, yeah, we're trying. >> i'm so glad you brought that up because that was bill barr testifying to the committee. we have that moment. this was on november 23rd, so obviously af trump has lost the election. and this is what barr told the congressional committee about the role that kushner was playing. >> as i walked out of the oval office, jared was there with dan scavino, who ran the president's social media, who i thought was a reasonable guy and believe is a reasonable guy. and i said, how long is he going to carry on with this stolen election stuff? where is this going to go? and by that time, meadows had
relationship from him and saudi when he has absolutely no capability and he has never run anybody money before. to the point that the finance committee of the saudi investment authority said he does not meet our criteria until mohammad bin salman turned around and said, give him the money. but there is no investigation. >> there is one thing that you just said, elie, that i want you to weigh in on here. michael was suggesting that jared will tell the truth or say whatever is really happening to the prosecutors because he does not want to end up in prison because his father charlie kushner served time. jared is going to be careful to be honest to the investigators. doesn't that mean that if he is telling him that donald trump always believed he won the election? >> there are things you have to tell the truth about and things that you know that people will never build a cross-check. there's a difference between sort of lying about a disprove bowl fact verse is, maybe shading your impression of what may have been in someone's
jared is going to say. elie of course can speak to that at greater length. but there is no way that jack smith brought jared in there to impeach the information or the testimony that he has. that is just not how the grand jury system works. >> the reason you butchered commissioner in the grand jury is to find out what he has to say. you can use the grand jury to explore. if you take a witness who you know it might be a problem for, you might give testimony favorable to the defendant, great. let me find that out now, let me know what is coming. i think that all highlights why this is a more difficult case one that -- the documents case. the documents case, you can prove its intent by his statements, his effort to obstruct, his audiotapes of him talking about the information. it is a good example of why this is a trickier case for prosecutors. >> i agree with him. i cannot argue with ali on that one. >> jared kushner, how do you think he feels about being pulled back in? like godfather three, every
media. and, i thought he was a reasonable guy. i believe he was a reasonable guy. and i said, how long is he going to carry on, with this stolen election stuff? where is this gonna go? and by that time meadows had caught up with me. and leaving the, leaving the office, caught up with me. they said look, i think he's become more realistic, they know that there is a limit to how far they can take this. jared said, we're working on it. >> harry, given that, clearly they are trying to ask, clearly asking questions of trump's mindset here. >> for sure, one of the things supposedly jared said is that he actually believed trump had, what the election, it had been stolen. it doesn't really matter, because we had also learned last few days, there are some very good statements, including one by mark milley. and one by his communications director. that make it clear he has lost. that's what the prosecution will put on. and jared, if he's a defense witness they know what he's gonna say. i just want to say i think it's