jon: trump is making it clear if he wins it would quote, be over. this comes as governor john kasich essentially tipped out indiana. he is not campaigning there as part of his agreement with cruz to divide and conquer in a joint bid to stop donald trump. we have coverage with peter ducey live in clarksville indiana focusing on the democratic race but we start with matt live from terre haute. matt? reporter: good morning john. we re in the go county indiana, considered one of the most accurate bellwether counties in all of the united states. who these guys before typically becomes president. they ve only got it wrong twice since 1888. we are in the county library as you can see. the line snaking from the basement all the way up to the entry doors, a long line of people. this is the second location in vigo county today. we ran a grocery store, people standing in a beer i ll waiting to get in and vote. here, this is a countywide electric system. people in viggo county can show up anywhere they want to vote. we ran into our friend jim one of the some of the issues in the go county people are concerned about the normal things, the economy naturally. national defense.just the role of people . political: correctness is going to destroy this country so you probably know one going to vote for. reporter: why don t you tell us anyways. it will be mister trump. he s not afraid to say what he thinks.i think there s more that needed in the country. stand up for what you believe, that s why we both. that s why we come and spend time out of our day to vote for somebody. it s very important. reporter: they consider this a hard-working blue-collar state. returning job to the workforce, is that important to you guys? it s very important. terre haute suffered from loss of employment like most. the constant losing of industrial jobs, we just can t put up with it anymore. we ve got to do something to get people back to work. reporter: thank you for your time and when people are nonvoting they get receipt and bring it to annabelle here and annabelle up with the receipt in this box and that makes a final tally. and no, how many total voters have we seen? 396 right now. reporter: 87-year-old annabelle taking the final toll in viggo county. the day is still early, polls don t close until 6:00 so we will keep you posted as to who viggo voters are voting for throughout the day. jon: we will see if viggo county continue with his record of picking winners. thanks very much. heather: love that trivia. on the democratic side, senator bernie sanders hoping for a win in the hoosier state. he is hoping it will bring renewed momentum. this polls show a close race in indiana and despite being way behind in delegates, sanders is bowing to take his campaign to the democratic convention.does that sound familiar? peter is live today from clarksville indiana with moore. hi peter. reporter: i heather and the clinton campaign is doing damage control today for something the secretary said months ago when she was courting environmentalists about putting coal companies out of business because yesterday at a campaign stop, somebody in coal country says his family is hurting, called her out. i just want to know how you can say you are going to put a lot of coal miners out of jobs then come in here and tell us how you re going to be our friend. you know, i don t know how to explain it other than what i said was totally out of context from what i meant. reporter: she says that was a misunderstanding. equipment also making waves because she hinted her husband may get a position in her administration if elected, helping bring jobs back to manufacturing towns like the ones where those voters seem very skeptical of her. but as clinton talks about filling a cabinet, sanders is eyeing another midwestern upset. we saw him at a diner, he says a little rain later on tonight shouldn t hurt him too badly. he thinks the turnout should be good in indiana. we kind along with the sanders volunteer here yesterday who told us there is a sense of urgency about today s primary but not necessarily do or die urgent because they say if it doesn t go his way here there s always kentucky where the senator is heading later tonight. something about these sanders supporters, many telling us it s bernie or bust and that he is not out of the race they will lose interest. many of the sanders faithful have no plans to lined up behind hillary and this is why. know. reporter: why not? because i m tired of voting for the lesser of two evils iguess you would say. i want to vote for whoever i want to vote for . so there would have to be a lot of changes. reporter: that volunteer also told us something interesting, she s making a lot of republican friends in the last few weeks because they all have something in common. they all really don t want hillary clinton as president. heather? heather: i hope to see you at that diner in indiana. jon: hillary clinton and donald trump both hoping indiana will bring them closer to clinching their party s nomination so they can focus on the general election and each other. amy stoddard is associate editor and columnist at the hill, charlie hurt, columnist for the washington times indiana is a state that ted cruz obviously has been pinning his hopes on . ab says the voters are going to get it right, he s going to be appealing to religious conservatives but it doesn t seem to be going his way. now, the polls show donald trump ahead. early voting there started about four weeks ago so you can imagine this arrangement he made with kasich which was announced only a week ago probably is not going to have much of animpact. it could have if it was done earlier. same with the endorsement of the governor, mike pence. it was a week indoors . basically the governor said he be happy with anyone on the republican side and for a couple of days is camping with ted cruz, that could have helped him if it was enthusiastic and early but it doesn t look like he was going to win and that the state needed if he was going to stop donald trump mathematically, to prevent him from arriving in cleveland with 1237 delegates. he has to win tonight and if he doesn t he could pick up some delegates in california and keep going. they always say they will keep going until they don t but that really makes it look like donald trump would arrive in cleveland at the convention with the requisite delegates. jon: what about it charlie? cruz has suggested that indiana is make or break for him but with these latest poll numbers, he seems to have backed off a little bit, suggesting he could lose indiana and still keep going. can he? ,no, i don t think he has much of a path to winning the nomination if he loses indiana or even if he wins indiana, i still don t see much of a path for him but i also don t suspect he s going anywhere. i think this has become a very important fight for him and he has made it very clear he intends to take it all the way to the convention and you know, with the democratic side, bernie sanders has sort of a movement behind him and he has a reasonable argument for going to the convention and that report you showed a moment ago with those voters saying they are never going to vote for hillary, they ve been energized by bernie sanders. ted cruz really doesn t have that behind him so the argument for, while i still think he will go forward, he doesn t have that kind of movement behind him and i think he risks at some point alienating and turning off a lot of people in the republican party, a lot of establishment and people who support him right now if he does keep this up too much longer. jon: does donald trump have momentum right now? yes, the more contests he wins, the more he says the system is rigged and this is going to be over soon, the more voters in later contests are open to accepting him as a nominee and assuming this is a done deal so at some point it becomes much harder which is whyagain , if he wins indiana, ted cruz could actually probably win more delegates in california and again, maybe stop trump from getting 1237 but the momentum for donald trump was too strong and the effort put into indiana on ted cruz s behalf were too weak and too late so, there s going to be a surprise tonight but it looks like if donald trump takes it tonight i don t see a mathematical path for ted cruz and the momentum will be so great i think donald trump just gets the requisite delegates well on time and arrives at a convention where there s not going to be a fight. jon: charlie, donald trump was probably the best-known candidate going into this race of anybody save maybe hillary clinton but in the early going, seven out of 10 republicans were saying they could never vote for donald trump. now all of a sudden nine out of 10 are saying yes, i could vote for the guy. how did he turn that around? as we talked about all along, people may not like him but he is a genius at marketing, he s a genius at using the media , manipulating the media and a lot of people argue that s a bad thing but the truth of the matter is, that s politics. and he has transferred his career in entertainment to politics very well and he s used all of those things that have made him such a famous name in the entertainment business, he s turned it into pure gold in politics and i get that he could drive some people absolutely batty but he s also very good at sort of moderating himself when he needs to. we have seen speeches where he has believe it or not shown humility after winning contests or after losing contests as we saw in iowa. and i can t help but think that he will be able to do a whole lot more in the general election to turn down some of the negatives that are dogging him in ways that hillary clinton simply can t because hillary has always been looked at through a political lens and donald trump is still sort of finding that image for him in politics and that s why i think democrats, obviously they say they really want donald trump to be the republican nominee but you also hear them now saying i don t know about that. he s so unpredictable, he s so original. you might end up regretting that he s the nominee. jon: i know the rasmussen poll put trump ahead of hillary clinton slightly in a one-on-one national election. we will see what indiana decides. that may be premature but we will see. charlie hurts, amy stoddard, thank you both. fox news is america s election headquarters. live coverage of the battle for indiana all day long starting at 6 pm eastern. coverage with megyn kelly and brett behr, they will bring you up-to-the-minute results as they come in from indiana. heather: two brothers wanted in the death of a washington state couple. now that duo spotted in mexico. how authorities are trying to track them down. overseas, isis fighters continue in their assault. one hitting an american servicemember in northern iraq. the secretary of defense calling it a combat death yet we are only supposed to be advising and assisting. a live report. will hillary clinton and donald trump meant their frontrunner status in the indiana primary? 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reporter: that news breaking moments ago that this was a navy seal killed in iraq. he s the third us serviceman killed in the battle against isis since october and it shows what a pivotal, important role they are playing out there. the seal was part of a group assisting kurdish fighters north of the ice is held city of mosul. troop seven moving in toward the isis stronghold in readiness for an eventual takeover with the support of us airpower, artillery and special forces. early this morning, isis forces reached kurdish defenses pushing a few miles behind their frontline and the official has confirmed the seal was killed by small arms fire, most likely ak-47 in the attack which involved truck bombs and isis infantry. today ask carter was in stuttgart for a change of command ceremony at european command. he expects his condolences to the familyand reiterated the us commitment to the fight against isis . it shows you the serious fight that we have to wage in iraq. there are american servicemembers involved and that s all i know at this time. reporter: the us has kept up its bombing of isis targets and on monday they staged another 25 strikes. the number of us troops on the ground is 4087 but the real figure is likely to be higher because that s only troops on temporary location. the pentagon has gone to great lengths to say while this sit seal was killed on the front lines there s a blurred line between assisting and combat and as obama s announces he will send another 500 troops to iraq and syria it seems likelythey will continue to be in the line of fire so a very sad day today heather . heather: significant that the secretary of defense occurred to that death as combat. our prayers go out to that man s family and the entire navy and their servicemembers were doing so much good work. benjamin hall in london, thank you. jon: a massive effort to put out two fires on a river. why crews had to stretch a hose nearly a mile to reach these burning yachts. and turning to 2016, more than a dozen states have new voter id laws on the books. how will that affect turnout in november? 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jon: new information in the georgia murder trial of a father accused of letting his toddler die in a hot car. a judge granting the defense motion for a change of venue, citing jurors questionnaires which he said showed a quote, pervasive knowledge of the case against justin ross harris. jonathan terry live in atlanta with an update. reporter: from the get-go, court officials knew it was going to be difficult if not impossible to find any juror with no advance knowledge of this particular case. the death of 22-month-old cooper harris who overheated in his father s suv in june 2014 made national headlines but lawyers had hoped to at least find prospective jurors who had not yet formed an opinion on whether ross harris haddeliberately murdered his son or whether it was all just a terrible mistake. yesterday became apparent to judge mary staley that many prospective jurors had already formed opinions about the defendant , strong opinions. one juror said rot in hell. i think another used the word pervert. reporter: reacting to the judges decision to move the trial,, county da vic reynolds issued this statement. while we are disappointed we understand and respect the court s ruling. whenever wherever this case is set for trial, the state will be ready. court officials are now searching for a new location elsewhere in georgia that is far enough from, county that perhaps they will find a less biased jury pool but a large enough venue to accommodate all the media and security surrounding this particular trial. that process could take a matter of weeks, pushing this trial into the fall. back to you john. jon: hard to believe they can go anywhere in the state and find an impartial jury. jonathan ceric, thank you. heather: america s election headquarters and we are talking about the primary day in indiana. senator capers all the campaign event in evansville on the heels of a dramatic encounter yesterday.senator cruz tangled with donald trump supporters. take a listen. you know that donald told the new york times editorial not to build a wall and he s not going to for anyone? sir, actually. [overlapping conversation] don t just scream and yell at each other, i m not yelling at you. do not you know that donald words were caught on tape. the new york times reported the whole thing. a public record. that s a total lie. made up. heather: this video keeps going on and on and these men will give up. to talk about it, joy goldberg a senior editor at national review and philip, a writer for the washington post politics blog called the fix. bill, let s start with you. what was going on here? ted cruz, god bless him. he went out and saw potential voters and decided to engage them in conversation. it went poorly. one of the things we ve seen over and over from trump supporters is they are very supportive of donald trump, very hard to dissuade them. if you look at exit polls, people who support donald trump made up their minds before the election are more likely to be donald trump voters. they stick with it and i think we saw some of that. ted cruz tried to reason with them. the guy said you are lying ted and he repeated what donald trump had said and that s why donald trump is doing well. heather: ted cruz didn t seem like he got to ticked off about it. is that a good idea to go in and have that debate with voters? i guess i completely disagree with phil. i thought it was fairly admirable. i agree entirely that this lunkhead that cruz was talking to was utterly on persuadable but he wasn t the guy was trying to persuade. it s like when i go around debating left-wingers on college campus i m not expecting i m going to convince a left-winger that i m right and he s wrong. you re trying to persuade the audience and what ted cruz was doing was sending a single, viral thing and that was part of the goal to people who are wavering or on the fence or have only heard trump s side of things to say look, there s reasonable arguments against this and you re being sold a bill of goods. do i think it s going to win indiana? no but i thought it was worth trying. heather: how did he do? harvard educated, ivy league guy against joe the plumber. who came out on top? i certainly would not say this was a giant mistake for ted cruz, he got some headlines. what we saw was ted cruz making an argument against donald trump on national news because he went out and spoke with these but i think we also saw why thinkers is having such a challenge over the long-term.we seen his base of support start to waiver. gallup polls show his favorability numbers are dropping since donald trump appeared. since new york it seemed like he was the go to nominee. ted cruz numbers are suffering as a result. the seventh let s bring back in joan and talk about that. indiana was supposed to be ted cruz s firewall. what happened? i think phil is absolutely right. the momentum around trump on east coast just changed the narrative. it made people think trump is inevitable and that s become a self-fulfilling prophecy in a lot of ways. i think the indiana primary if it had been right after the wisconsin primary, this might be completely different because the momentum was all on ted cruz side but the east coast stuff completely killed cruz s momentum and now it doesn t look great for ted cruz. if he wins here he stays alive to fight another day but even that is an uphill climb. heather: ted cruz has a lot of good assets going for him. he s got carly there, governor mike pence, it s a conservative state and a whole lot of ads. they have run against donald trump. i m wondering why that wasn t enough to help save him? just little momentum alone? i think it s early to say he hasn t been safe and one of the things we seen about it ted cruz, we saw in iowa. he went into iowa thinking donald trump had this thing locked up. ted cruz came back and did that because he had a very good field operation. donald trump has had a lot of time to figure out how to do field, get people to turn out to vote. i m not convinced these on that. i think there s still a chance ted cruz surprises us. that does change things and it does make think people look at this race. do i think ted cruz is going towin question mark no i don t.i think he s not going to win because donald trump has this momentum coming out of those big wins but i think we are giving him short trip if we say there is no chance . heather: jonah, if ted cruz does not succeed in winning indiana today, how much of a margin doesn t need that it still is keeping his supporters and the dollars flowing in and keeping him a somewhat strong candidate? it s a model. if donald trump wins by a few points and get them majority of the delegates but not all i think cruz is committed. he can go through california. if it s a complete route, that changes things. but he s going to win a couple western states before california. that would help him but it would help him a lot more if you want indiana and i agree with phil. he the underdog but he s not ruled out. heather: he s got that deal with john kasich in new mexico and oregon that he s not going to campaign. how do you see that going down? there s a lot of space between now and june 7. the remaining states are new jersey and california, bladder to both in june. there s a lot of state as he pointed out. he s going to do decently in nevada, should do well in south dakota. there is an opportunity for him to say there is a bulwark against donald trump getting the nomination. trump will do well in other states. saying this thing is over tonight which trump is enthusiastic to do, i think that s premature. heather: it is not over yet. thank you jonah goldberg, thank you so much for joining us once again. john? the one let s check in on what s happening now with the cruz campaign. he is in evansville indiana flight his running mate carly fiorina. let s listen in for a moment. wolf barbecue incorporated. you want to understand donald trump, look no further than the interview he did a few months ago. when he was asked a very simple question. when the last time you ask god for forgiveness? and donald trump said he has never asked god for forgiveness for anything. i want you to think about that. what does that say about a person? i asked god to forgive me three times today. think about your children. do you want your children coming home and same mommy, i don t ask god for forgiveness for anything. why? because donald trumpdoesn t and if he doesn t and everyone likes him, the media praises him, i don t need to either. i love this nation .i love his people. this is not who we are. these are not our boundaries. if anyone has seen the movie back to the future to, the screenwriter says that he based the character bit 10 on donald trump. a caricature of a braggadocio, arrogant buffoon who builds giant casinos with giant pictures of him everywhere he looks. we are looking at a bit 10 and president. i don t think we deserve that. i don t think hoosiers want this. [overlapping conversation] i ve heard you talk about them, today feels different and i m going to ask you a question and i sound like a broken record area . [overlapping conversation] if you say he is apathological liar , why not debate him? when you talk about midwestern values and good judgment, does that make you reconsider things in a different way when you consider trump s story. there is no doubt i m down in the primary. the media is trying desperately to convince you it s over. i m going to tell you, if hoosiers come out today and you pick up your phoneand call your friends, call your neighbors. if hoosiers come out today and vote and say no, this is not who we are. this is not america . that will change the entire trajectory of this campaign, of this primary. it will pull us back from the cliff. indiana can do it. indiana can pull us back but it takes hoosiers showing up and boating today and the country is looking at us. is looking for the judgment of the good men and women of this state. heidi and i and carly, we have traveled the state showing hoosiers respect, asking for their support, answering their questions. all the while donald trump lashes out at the people of this state. laughs, bullies , attacks, insults. i don t believe that america. and it is my hope, it is my prayer that hoosiers will come out and vote today in record numbers to say to this country this is not who we are. we are a people who believe in goodness. weare people who believe in manners. we are up to people who believe in generosity. we are a people who believe in honesty. we are a people who believe in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.that is america. that is the america i love. that is the america my father led to come to . we are fighting for this nation. we arefighting for who we are, for the very soul and character of this country and it is quite literally in the hands of hoosiers across the state . [overlapping conversation] jon: ted cruz making an appearance in front of the media and diners as well at a restaurant in evansville indiana. you heard there some of his appeal, especially to evangelical voters on whom he he is spending the hopes of his campaign in indiana. we will continue to keep you updated on the movements of all the candidates in that very important state today. in the meantime there is new talk of imposing a us travel ban to north korea. that idea servicing after the isolated country recently sentenced to americans years of hard labor, accusing them of acts against the state. in the meantime, tension building in the south china sea. china is denying access to a u.s. navy aircraft carrier group trying to enter hong kong. chinese officials so far or given no explanation for the decision. they say it s simply inconvenient for china. the relationship between the us and china specifically our trade policies became a big part of the debate in the presidential election. for more on all this, let s go to tang in asia analyst and author of the coming collapse of china.donald trump in particularhas made our trade policy with china a centerpiece of his campaign . 45 percent terrace on chinese goods. what effect would that have? certainly the chinese would retaliate and people say that trump would start a trade war. it s trump can t start a trade war with china. china has been engaging in a trade war with the united states for decades. it s just that we re not responding. nearly we need to respond and i think essentially the american public understands that. the question is, how do you do it? and there are many different ways and i don t know that trump has understood and comprehended the nature of really a very important initiative. jon: the trade we have with china obviously billions of dollars but you can t just turn off the tap like that. no you can t. but on the other hand you can t allow china to continue to steal american intellectual property in the hundreds of billions of dollars a year. we can t allow the chinese to continue to close off chinese market to american multinationals has really been a trend over the last years. china s trade behavior has gotten worse, not better and the united states hasn t responded. we got to respond in some way. i m not saying a 45 percent therapist the way to go but obviously we need to do something and deal on trade in washington has really been ineffective in dealing with the chinese. but doesn t trade lead essentially to a more peaceful world? absolutely and that s the essential truth that the establishment, they are right on the general concept of trade but they ve been horrible on implementation. when we look at the transpacific partnership for instance which is reviled by trump, sanders and clinton, this is something to tie the region to the united states to prevent war.as we ve seen in history when economies d-link, often they do go to war so there s a lot at stake here for us to be on the chinese obviously telling our aircraft carrier you cannot dock in hong kong. hong kong, they have been making more military threats in the east and south china sea. it appears to be a very belligerent nation that operating sort of on a hair trigger right now absolutely and with the status carrier group that made plans to go to hong kong and china basically canceled it, what we need to do is we need to then turn around and say to china look, we are not going to go to hong kongwe re not going to put millions of dollars into your economy. what we will do is we will go to for instance taiwan and by doing that we help taiwan s economy which does need assistance but moreimportant, we say to the chinese that we stand with asian democracies, especially those threatened by beijing. this is an important statement for us to make and we haven t made that statement. not this administration, not the one before it . jon: the islands where they go back airbase out of what had been essentially a coral reef , the us kind of shrugged his shoulders and let this thing happen. now the chinese are doing it again in another part of the china sea right? barbarous role in this is worse. china has occupied those features in the strategies for decades. this is one thing to reclaim those, it s another thing to grab this scarborough shelf from the philippines in 2012 and now to make it a permanent acquisition. this is where i think the united states needs to draw the line because if we don t do it here it s only going to be someplace else. when we did not confront china over scarborough they ramped up pressure throughout the region. jon: doesn t this run the risk of some kind of military confrontation? yes it does but the issue for us is not risk versus no risk. right now we have backed ourselves into such a horrible place that we have to choose from really bad options . we have no good options and that s our fall because we could have stopped this along time ago but we didn t do it. jon: gordon chang, always a little frightening to hear your thoughts but we appreciate them anyway. thank you. heather: like a good old mystery question mark there is a guy who is allegedly linked to a decades-old art heist. he now gets a visit from the fbi and the they are doing digging in his yard. why prosecutors believe he knows where to find $500 million worth of stolen art . protection now comes with an incredible double your money back guarantee. always discreet is for bladder leaks and it s drier than poise. try it, love it or get double your money back. always discreet. jon: with take a peak at what s coming up on outnumbered at the top of the hour. sander and harris, what do you have? voting underway in indiana where donald trump is looking to deliver a knockout blow to ted cruz cruz said he will continue no matter what. is that a good idea? plus, hillary clinton confronted by hundreds of protesters and a laid-off coworker in west virginia. what she now says about her stance on coal and whether she s just pandering to voters. calling it a flip flop. no matter what you think of the political candidates, a new warning about why you should not talk about politics at work. that does cover a lot of people. all that plus our hashtag one lucky guy. america s newsrooms own will hammer on this special tuesday will join us. outnumbered at the top of the hour . jon: doing double duty today. triple duty i d say. jon: we will see him tonight as well. we see you at the top of the hour. the seven new information today on a notorious art heist that took place in boston years ago. the fbi rating the home of a reputed mobster, his name is robertgentile . likely in the search of $500 million worth of precious paintings. those works include three rembrandts, all stolen from the garden museum in boston in 1990. a federal prosecutor aims gentile tried to sell the paintings to an undercover agent last year but that deal through. let s talk with ed davis, he served as police commissioner for boston for several years. i used to live up there and this was a big story when it happened and has remained so for some time. how on earth as this remained a mystery for 26 years? it s true heather. it s a fascinating story. it goes way back and there have been a series of developments that have occurred, especially over the last five or six years and people are feeling very confident that there will be a positive resolution to this . it s an unusual case though. why do they think there are positive developments, what are they? there s been a significant amount of work done since rick the laurier became the special agent in charge of the boston office. he s worked closely with a man name anthony moore who was the director of security for the museum and they really turned up the heat on the people who have been mentioned as possible suspects for the last five or sixyears. that s resulted injuries of search warrants that have been done and therewas one executed in connecticut at the home of one of the main suspects . jon: heather: that s robert gentile . so this mobster of sorts is how it s been described tell us about him and how he might be connected . came to light a few years ago when a second man who had died, his wife told the authorities he was negotiating with gentile for the sale of the paintings. the fbi has interviewed him. the on lie detector tests on him that he s failed. there s been a significant amount of evidence that would point to the fact that if he didn t steal the pieces, he was in the chain of people who received them so that s why they are focused on him and there really focused on getting the paintings back the senate so he s an older man in his 80s. they just did that search on his house, did they find anything? they haven t found anything reported as of yet. the united states attorney is in charge of that component of the case but the boston agency and mister moore are still very heavily involved in the investigation. heather: help me think through this. what kind of market is therefore very well-known, very expensive art? you can t just take this stuff to a store and sell it. right that s the biggest problem with these pieces. they are so well-known and so expensive , this was the single biggest theft of real property in the history of the country so everybody s on the lookout for the paintings. unless you were to find a very wealthy dishonest investor somewhere in the world that wanted to put these in a private galley gallery where no one could see them, that the only market you have for them. heather: so those things exist in the movies, those secret galleries in people s palaces or something? is that your experience? know, in my experience it s been that these are much more sort of street-level people that specialize in this type of that and once they get their hands on them, unless they have a state place to sell them before they stolen their difficult to get rid of. heather: and david, thank you for your expertise and i hope you get that stuff back. such incredible triggers for that beautiful museum. and davis, former police commissioner in the city of boston. jon: new in the next hour, mother nature puts on a show in our nation s capital. before pounding the region with heavy winds and rain. the latest on the storm damage there. plus, new developments in the trial of a young man linked to the death of his prom date. the defendant breaking down as crime scene photos are shown in court. the bacteria the bacteria that still exists on the denture, and that bacteria multiplies very rapidly. that s why dentists recommend cleaning with polident everyday. polident s unique micro clean formula works in just 3 minutes, killing 99.99% of odor causing bacteria. for a cleaner, fresher, brighter denture every day. . . . . jon: they still have empty frames on the goard enter museum. they still do john john hope they get them back. outnumbered starts right now. harris: this is outnumbered. i m harris faulkner. here today, sandra smith, jedediah bila, democratic strategist, julie roginsky, today s #oneluckyguy, coanchor of america s newsroom, all around this day on primary tuesday, bill hemmer. outnumbered and out and about. hello. how are you, ladies? rube did i red indiana, here we go. evansville hasn t gotten this much attention since william ronald hemmer married georgia mary nittle. august fifth, 1960.
harris: i thought you were going to sing. he was singing before. during this show we ll name our favorite song from indiana. harris: by we, we mean you. let s move on. let s begin with a primary race that could give us biggest look into the presidential race. polls are open in indiana. hillary clinton and donald trump looking for a knockout to their rivals. in his final pitch to voters trump told supporters in the hoosier state how important their votes are. but now, indiana s becoming very important. and i say, i say so important in terms of the race. usually by this time it is over and doesn t matter. but this time you folks belong where you belong. it is called importantville, right? i love it. [cheering] i have so many friends here. harris: ted cruz making an urgent appeal just moments ago. the math is not tricky. this could be his final chance to stop donald trump from scooping up the delegates he needs. watch. if hoosiers come out today and vote, if you pick up your phone, call your friends, call your neighbors, if hoosiers come out today and vote and say no, this is not who we are, this is not america, that will change the entire trajectory of this campaign, of this primary. it will pull us back from the cliff. harris: all right. importantville, bill hemmer. that is a suburb somewhere in indiana. suburb the indianapolis somewhere. it is very important. if you look at the math sandra: which you do. i do a lot. i even do it in my sleep these days you can see how, if cruz doesn t change the story tonight, that trump stays on that number and all likelihood, may not be a battle until cleveland. harris: if you just look at the numbers, donald trump needs 241 to clinch. there are more delegates available than he actually needs. so, i mean, i don t know how you tell you i was looking at it. if cruz wins, it will be the story of the year. harris: sure. it will send the story of this campaign in entirely different direction but if trump cleans up, he has 30 delegates statewide to the winner whoever wins that then you have 27 divided among nine congressional districts. what does that mean? if you do really well across the state as trump did last week and tuesday prior to that, he could hit that number that takes him to the point of no return. and that could happen tonight. harris: so jedediah, ted cruz says forget about all that you just heard, i don t know if he knows you by name hemmer has no idea what he is talking about. direct quote. harris: you re likeable enough. what? some days. harris: somebody famous. so jedediah, it is not over yet according to ted cruz. doesn t he have to prove he can win something? down he have to prove he is electable in some way. harris: he has won. has he won significantly though? if you can t beat donald trump, if you can t get right-wing voters in conservative areas to come out for you and support you, strong over the other guy, how are you supposed to win over independents? how are we supposed to believe this guy can get reagan democrats, voters center left donald trump has been proven, like him or not, the kind of guy that can appeal to the center, independents, regardless what you think of him he has more broad appeal. ted cruz is kind of guy he needs to prove these hard-right voters will come out to support him over everyone else, big! he is not even doing that. so i m not convinced and i think to keep saying the convention, convention, who is to say why should which think you re the guy who should lead the country if you can t make it out of this? harris: we saw rasmussen reports survey came out, julie, that showed he had ability to get more democrats to come to his side, twice as much power to do that as hillary clinton does to get gop voters to come to her side. speak to what jedediah just said, looking forward they haven t really done a lot of that look at ted cruz but i haven t heard that sort of thing about him. rasmussen poll is one outlying poll. i don t know how real that is. contradicts virtually every other poll. i glad you brought up the importantville, suburb you ve been there, right? that is a great place. what jedediah said suburbs of indianapolis of this election. ted cruz, if he doesn t do well he will bomb in the northeast. for the wayne which are evangelical, much more religious in tune with him. donald trump should clean up in indianapolis, evansville where your parents are from. southern indiana. it is that suburb of indianapolis that you talked about, jedediah, that he needs to do well. that is up for grabs. sandra: but his campaign strategy has been odd for that right? there has been a lot of questions in the doughnut counties surround indianapolis why he hasn t been parading his running mate carly fiorina around there, trying to work toward the white suburban female voter. i think they re doing a lot of work there in indiana. they have been working non-stop because they realize, once you get past tonight, to your point, jedediah, cruz will probably win nebraska. he will probably win south dakota. he will probably win montana. that is week from now, two weeks from now. you have to fight for here and now. the here and now, it seems difficult from the following perspective. you remember what was it nine days ago where the cruz-kasich alliance was launched. sandra: yes. we re about to see how that s going to work out. kasich has been quiet and his numbers have come down in turn. i don t know, today this wall street journal poll is right from over the weekend, if you put cruz s numbers with kasich, do they even add up to trump s numbers. he is talking about the importance of indunion n he is spending a ton of time there, now if he loses big in indiana, and flip that argument indiana is not that important, let s move on? he will still have a lot of delegates. went to california. he spent a few days in california, even though california is not until early june. i think he understands he will not win indiana. if he does it will be upset of the century. california is almost a hail mary. worse. ted cruz i think put up a good fight. it is pretty much over.harris: . you have to vote. harris: i think that is a fair question at this point. we saw ted cruz kind of sparring on the campaign trail. we ve got more of him coming up in a second from moments ago. why stay in? what is in it for him? a contested convention i m reading they re softening, new york times article on sunday, softening for delegates he thought he had wrapped up. state of north dakota, cruz thought he had locked up, now there is question how strong they are. my sense what happens in big stories like these, they roll on and roll on, wow, is it ever going to end. suddenly in a moment, and it ends and it s over. eight years ago for hillary clinton, that took until june. that may be the case again this year. but it s almost like you re on roller coaster ride. all of sudden it becomes obvious. we re about to find out if that harris: one second, julie. we want to hop to get to this. ted cruz on campaign trail moments before we came live on outnumbered. saying he is doing something that he has never done before. watch. i will do something i haven t done for the entire campaign, for those traveled with me, across the country, i will tell you what i think about him. this man is pathological liar. he doesn t know the difference between truth and lies. he lies practically every word that comes out of his mouth. harris: your thoughts. said that was today. that was just a few minutes ago. also yesterday he talked about how donald trump is embarassment to america and on and on. that was first time i heard him be that cutting in his commentary. i think what sparked that was 10-year-old boy from the day before who stood up made those comments in public. i also think that is why cruz, went out met voters yesterday, that we all watched for. i think it was nine minutes of real time but it seemed like it went on forever. this is a campaign, you can feel it and sense it, that he is, trump used phrase hanging on by finger tails, fingernails. that is very interesting. harris: we know what you mean. @billhemmer. harris: when you look at this and sparring i ve been talking about going on between ted cruz and some of donald trump s supporters, you know, he is in a position now where he is having to answer back for the nickname. you hear the words pathological liar there, i would imagine those were specifically chosen, when you been nicknamed by other candidate as lyin ted. you can pick on other guy, you have to sell you. that is the problem with ted cruz. he can pick on donald trump. a lot of people have concerns about donald trump about inconsistency in his past record. what he will actually do if he gets elected president. these are legitimate concerns. the problem the same people are not able to look to ted cruz that we believe in that guy. there are problems with his delivery. there are problems with him selling his own story. he should not be so worried about picking on donald trump. he should be more concerned with the fact that through all of this time, he hasn t been able to convince people he is the guy. that is the real issue. sandra: what are chance, bill hemmer, donald trump responds to ted cruz calling him pathological liar, donald trump saying, look this is act of desperation on part of cruz campaign. i don t know he has to. they re voting right now. another thing cruz team sees, as they go down the line, last night we were crunching numbers in california and they are daunting. 53 congressional districts. trump leads in several dozen of them. we think he might pick up 124 delegates in california. if that is true, he may not even need indiana. sandra: want to get in as part of breaking news, ted cruz making comments, calling donald trump utterly amoral. saying that and i do mean amoral. and a narcissist. look, when you throw your entire life into campaigns like these, and you reach a point that maybe a deciding factor, you, you want to possess this moment as much as you can and but sometimes harris: sometimes the moment possesses you. they get out of your control. harris: it can. we may have reached that point. harris: real quickly, before we move on, julie, i feel we didn t hear from you and i want to. hillary clinton 90% of the way for delegates she needs to clinch the nomination. she is looking on other side to plan her attack. what does she see. she sees republican party potentially in disarray. see as party turning on each other. sees attacks donald trump is previewing for her. she is getting ready for it. i have spoken to their people. they are very cognizant of stuff you re hearing coming out of donald trump s mouth with respect to ted cruz and john kasich will be directed to her times a million. unlike others who i think were not as prepared for his vitriol in the primary she knows very well what will happen and getting ready. can i be a superdelegate? when i grow up? harris: i will buy awe red cape. you can be super whatever you want. here we go. we ll be a all over the battle for indiana. bill will put on his red cape and fly late into the night. megyn kelly, bret baier begin it all at 6:00 p.m. eastern as polling wraps up. polls close. keep it right here, and i love when i say this, the fnc. anyway, hillary clinton getting a chilly welcome in west virginia. hundreds of protesters in the streets and out of work coal miner confronting her. see what she told him. ted cruz face-to-face with trump supporter. i alluded to it moments ago. it got pretty intense. was it a bad idea or does it show he was in it to win-win it. if you have moderate to severe 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humira at work. i m terhe is.at golf. but i d like to keep being terrible at golf for as long as i can. new patented ensure enlive has hmb plus 20 grams of protein to help rebuild muscle. for the strength and energy to do what you love. new ensure enlive. always be you. show show me more like this. s. show me previously watched. what s recommended for me. x1 makes it easy to find what blows you away. call or go online and switch to x1. only with xfinity. he shouting] [shouting] trump, trump. sandra: those were donald trump supporters protesting outside a hillary clinton event in west virginia, where she got less than friendly suggestion after comments she made in march about putting coal miners and their companies out of business. an out-work coal miner confronting her about it. i want to say how you put a lot of coal miners out of jobs and come here and tell us how you re going to be our friend? because those people out there don t see you as a friend. i know that, bo, and you know, i m, i don t know how to explain it other than, what i said was totally out of context from what i meant. i do feel a little bit sad and sorry that i gave folks the reason or excuse to be so upset with me. until i made one misstatement. you know, and i apologize for that. it was not meant to be taken the way that it was taken. sandra: here s what she said a few months ago that sparked all of this in the first place. i m the only candidate which has a policy about how to bring economic opportunity using clean renewable energy as the key into coal country. because we re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business. sandra: republicans pounced on those words by the way. and quickly we heard some calling, some who originally supported her earlier on saying they were threatening to pull their endorsement of hillary clinton. there was outrage over this. is it possible it was a misstatement. i don t think so because it is on camera. she said she was taken out of context. i don t see the context she was taken out of. ultimately however i don t think it matters in kentucky. i don t think it matters in west virginia. these states are going red in november, no matter who it is on republican side. i don t think there is great risk for her there. when it comes to your examination of politicians, however, that is, that 180. well camera was centered perfectly, well, what? i was taken out of context? can you explain. if you want me to explain. if i can put it through my clinton explanation meter and i think what she was saying, i m not defending it, she has a plan to devote something like $30 billion to that area to not what she said. to have new renewable technology with clean coal. having said that, you re absolutely right. of course she flip-flopped on this. you re absolutely right. it doesn t matter. i m surprised she is down there. she is with joe manchin, democratic senator from west virginia, came out under a lot of pressure when she initially made that statement to disavow her. he is sticking by her. having said that why is she in west virginia? she will not win in west virginia in november. she should be in california which is tight race. do you think bernie sanders wins indiana. i think bernie sanders wins indiana. open primary. open primary. much more white state. poles have her up 4%. she says the polls are inaccurate. she is expecting to lose. she hasn t spent money in indiana. not going to matter though? not going to matter. i don t see why she should be in west virginia. she should be in california which is tighter state. sandra: go back to the comments, we ll put a lot of coal miners and businesses out of business. right. sandra: you re saying that to a state and country still feeling very economically, feeling the pain economically. right. sandra: that s tough to hear from a potential president. it is true. may not matter in those states but i think you re right. the rest of the country is watching her. this is woman when you poll her, they say we don t trust her, honesty trustworthiness. she is are issues. bouncing back and forth. looking like politician. needing whatever they to say in the moment to get elected. that was most sincere moment i have every seen here. she is great politician and i know that. what you re say something right. what is the context? you made two completely contradictory statements. what these politicians forget is that it may not harm them in the state where they are when that issue is pertinent in that moment, but the country is watching you. harris: right. when you listen to her words specifically, she says i made one misstatement. that is not for west virginia. that is not for kentucky. that is for everybody else. correct. harris: this is coming out through reuters more what she is saying today. former secretary clinton says the united states must rebuild coal communities. she is moving forward with this. she is now, not only apologetic but i m going to help you rebuild and i will she committed $30 billion. that is my point. her point she wants to rebuild those communities get them off coal. you guys keep remembering one thing. global warming and coal is something that 99.9% of the democrat believe contributes to global warming, is a top issue in the democratic primary. may not be for republicans. it s a huge issue. so for her to get democratic bonifides especially against bernie sanders needs to talk about global warming. more important for fund-raising. she needs to vilify coal. harris: sounds like she is in a southern pickle. back to evansville we go. sandra: we ve leave it there. on that note. donald trump has been able to take down most of his republican opponents fairly easily. now growing questions whether or not trump s campaign is prepared for a general election faceoff. plus if mr. trump wins nomination, will he go where bernie sanders did not, in a battle with hillary clinton? one expert says trump will exploit her scandals from paid speeches to benghazi and in a big way. we ll debate that strategy. right after the show, catch more from the couch on the web. join us for outnumbered overtime. log on to foxnews.com/outnumbered. there is more? sandra: i usually promise salacious details about our one lucky guy. do you have questions about the election? it s a big night. harris: that s salacious? 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[cheering] they re finished. they re gone. now i will start focusing on hillary. it will be so easy and so great. harris: but there is growing concern trump is ignoring vital preparations for big race. associated press is reporting that trump has not collected enough voter information he will need in the fall. he only sent a few staffers to battleground state where there is no clear advantage for democrat or republican by definition. he has not accumulated much research on clinton. add to the list, clinton on the other hand is dispatching campaign workers to swing states this week. started search for running mate and is already planning big-money fund-raisers for next month. julie, i come to you first. who has got the advantage? i understand there may not be the ground game, but you know what, that has been story on donald trump from the beginning. he has never had a ground game. let me get wonky, i do this for a livering. model something very, very important in politics. very mathematic. not about rhetoric, not about anything else. harris: oh, that model. [laughter] not the bill hemmer in fireplace on leather rug modeling. that was stunning. sandra: my god, circulated all over the internet. great with cigar. i got it. but modeling i m talking about, not the fun kind but boring kind every single voter in the united states is modeled. and that tells you about how you re predisposed to vote, what message. more nuanced than polling. how obama won in 2008. that is critical. critical to any single election. if donald trump has not yet modeled. the rnc has and so much they can coordinate going forward into the general election. if it hasn t done that basic legwork, sounds like he has it, he is very far behind. she will be able to tell you, what message appeals to harris faulkner, hoe has twin sister with different demographics. how it appeals to her. sandra: let me ask you very basic everybody here turning channel right now because they re so bored with this. in 2012. worked significantly in 2008 and worked successful, not to same degree. i wonder with data analytics withtology if you can catch up faster. everybody said trump was behind whole delegate game. he cat up. he is but didn t catch up with that when it comes to the general election that is so critical. rnc knows it, they have been doing it. whether they share it with him legally is different question. harris: considered this. you talk about non-traditional candidate in donald trump. i understand modeling and technology and everything else but one thing that he has we don t know what it looks like is their relationship. we don t know the path with hillary clinton and donald trump. we only know pictures and weddings and so on, so forth but he seems to have bravado what he thinks he knows about hillary and bill clinton. jedediah. there is a lot we don t know. i agree with julie in a sense, what gets you far in primary, you can go out in the primary and scream make america great again and speak in sound bites and be very caries mat i can and when you go to the general it is difficult. part the problem the republican party has been so split they re so busy fighting with each other still they can t get to the next stage what they will do going into battleground states and tv ads and money to be allocated. hopefully he is thinking about that. this is the guy in the lead. if he wants to win he will have to have groundwork set up. sandra: corey lewandoski, donald trump s campaign manager, he believes the success of the campaign and primary can be replicated in the gin. is it possible, i m going to raise the question about leadership, that trump has right now. is it possible we ll continue to see that leadership change? first and foremost with the trumps look at his numbers, obviously polls can change, he is not popular among anybody. popular among republican primary voters. not enough to win election. women, minorities even white men he is losing those people. the problem his message will not be enough unless he changes. the math, i keep coming back to the math. modeling becomes important. statistics become important. obama as bill point it out won presidency winning ohio. he won ohio and modeling kay hogue ga county. i would add two things on that. before the general election in 2012 in ohio, senior member of the republican party in ohio said, bill, this was the saturday before the vote, we are behind with single women in central ohio. they knew that. 72 hours before the vote. also when we were in charlotte for the dnc convention in 2012, all four of those days were about women in america. it was the war on women. they rode that successfully to a second term. i think this whole campaign, as it is right now, with all, analytics and all numbers and data et cetera, it is all about women again. and question you have to ask yourself among republican women, will they vote for donald trump? where are they today on may 3rd. where will they be on june 3rd? where will they be on july 3rd and every month as the campaign progresses. see whether or not they are won over by trump. harris: all right. so the women card, right? actual is a thing. it has its own web address now and hillary clinton has been fund-raising off of it millions of dollars now. what does that tell you? it tells me it is effective. to bill s point, say it is women deciding factor again. not just women, what kind of women. that speaks to polling. you have to be more nuanced about is, not just telling you have a problem with single women ages 25 to 45 who happen to live in cuyahoga county, ohio, this is so nuanced women who live in same demographic next door to each other may be predisposed to vote and that is how nuanced. that is where trump is not making up speed. he has got to. harris: interesting to see how he makes up the ground. what is appealing to people, he doesn t have all the infrastructure. non-politician. that is very thing we don t know what is going on behind the accepts. all this stuff julie is talking about, specifics i can t repeat are not going on behind the scenes he is in trouble. sandra: his non-strategy has been his strategy. staying with that with the indiana primaries expecting to bring more clarity to the 2016 race. clinton venturing into territory bernie sanders did not. vermont senator decided to ignore the still unfolding email scandal, foreign donations to the clinton foundation and politically treacherous issues. clinton s republican opponent would likely raise in general election. all right, will donald trump, bill hemmer, go where bernie sanders wouldn t? he was so delicate is that a question? i don t think there is any doubt about that. i actually think donald trump will go to places none of us can even imagine. he is that kind of a your mind is that devious? devious nature to the comment but, he operates, it is asymmetrical. and, that is going to hold our fascination for a long time. because we do not know what he will do. sandra: to harris s point, in the last conversation, we don t know what he knows and what their relationship is and what it has been in the past. harris: one thing that he has bragged about, donald trump, is that, a few weekends back in winter she tried to come at me with women s politics or whatever, and she and bill had very bad weekend. it is interesting, because he went personal then. we don t know if he will go personal again. we haven t seen a candidate actually not go personal. in august, when we had first debate in cleveland, ohio, trump gave us gameplan. when asked about relationship with clintons i was doing what i had to do for my business. he wasn t suggesting he was playing outside the rules. he was doing what the rules and politics and business in america allowed him to do. sandra: so if donald trump goes after her in ways that bernie sanders couldn t or wouldn t, will we finally see the transcripts from the goldman sachs speeches? only if she releases them. even if she does, listen what do we think she said at goldman sachs in general election? sandra: she won t release them. in democratic primary, it matters but general election it doesn t. you guys at goldman sachs are the best. you contributed to our economy, job create, all things bernie sanders would slam her on. in general election so what. maybe she will release him. he will go after the marriage. harris: it will be personal. going after her enabling sandra: what about benghazi and email scandal. that is out there. harris: general election that doesn t get him as much. he knows among democrats, those that he attracts at bigger rate than she does i mentioned earlier at tracks republicans for her that really doesn t resonate outside of republican votership. it hasn t outside the election. here is a number. i want to get your thoughts on this, bill, 6.7% look at average polls how it tightened if you say hillary clinton up against donald trump in potential general election. why do you think that is? i think it is 51-45 country. it has been that tight and going that way since 2000. i don t think it is has changed much. harris: names of people changes. he will go after the clinton dynasty. this is her chance if him versus her which he didn t have the opportunity with jeb bush versus her, he has he will go after their history. dare i suggest, when he unhatched the phrase, crooked hillary, what did he say when he said that? from the beginning? right. from the beginning means sandra: got the beginning. little rock, arkansas, rose law firm. from the beginning. here is problem. baked in. that is his mistake. people who think she is shady, thought she was shady for 25 years and they re not voting for her. baked in. sandra: hemmer, always good to get your insight. some days. we re still picturing you on the bearskin rug with the cigar. people are googling it right now. there is confronting your critics and there is this. we mentioned it earlier. what happens when ted cruz tries to win over donald trump supporters and what this may say about the state of his campaign? 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your wife worked there. i m supported by 1.3 million contributions all over the country. sir, america is a better country without you. thank you for those kind sentiments. let me point out i have treated you respectfully the entire time. and a question that everyone here should ask. are you canadian? do you want your are you canadian. do you want your kids repeating words of donald trump? would you be proud if your kids came here and yelling and insulting? folks at home. that went on for nine minutes. i applaud ted cruz 1000 percent for engaging in that discussion yesterday. i thought he peeled back layers of campaign often times we don t see. ladies, discuss. harris: i m more concerned how close those people were to him, you no he? i don t know, as a mom i look at that situation, i think, no matter what your politics are, when someone that much in your face and they have that much mojo behind them i think they re unpredictable. sandra: he was asked if he was concerned for his safety. there is five of them and hundreds of us. harris: i hear that like you, bill, was really impressed by the fact, no matter what was thrown at him he stayed calm. that is not easy to do. look what he is doing. trying to draw a contrast between himself and donald trump. this is all this is about. the fact trump every time protester starts screaming get him out, get him out of the room, won t engage directly himself, cruz, another hail mary play but goes across the street proactively tries to show he is not afraid of people disagreeing with him. he will unite them to bring him over to his side, unsuccessful he was. clearly trying to draw a contrast between himself and donald trump. shows he is really smart too. he realized this moment was going to be picked up. he had a chance in this moment to be authentic. to be spontaneous. to show people who he really was. the argument from folks on the right all the time we want someone tough, someone who will stand up who they are, take people head on. here he had opportunity. he was respectful but he was strong. i m not biggest ted cruz supporter, but i found myself applauding him. only element if i was ted cruz i would have picked a point to leave earlier than he did to minimize the verbal assault. sandra: one thing we re all applauding effort here. this was, this was a big moment for ted cruz to show, a, that he is master debater, which he learned on the debate stage all along. he is excellent at this but did it actually change anything and did it actually help him? do you think he would do it over again given the chance? we ll find out tonight 7:00 eastern time. that is when the polls close in indiana. that may have been too late. jedediah also brought up a good point, media attention focused on him now. what was last thing we saw, i hate to say it, carly fiorina falling off a stage and him not rushing to pick her up. this changes narrative. sandra: come on, julie, we don t know context. that is last visual we have. i m not suggesting that is what happened. that is the impression what happened. it is last thing sandra: there is implication. trying to change the subject. amazing news cycle when that happens 24 hours ago. it wasn t that long ago, come on. sandra: saw a few moments ago standing next to ted cruz, she was okay. harris: i see your point. the candidates only have so much, particularly begins a juggernaut like donald trump who is always in the media. it is hard to pick, pluck those moments. if the last one was one kind of, what was that, which was basically how i would describe what you said with her falling. what was that, in all fairness? 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[ cheering ] don t wait a whole year for xfinity watchathon week to return. upgrade now to add the premium channel of your choice so you can keep watching. call or go online today. sandra: more outnumbered in just a moment. first let s get to jon scott with what is coming up second hour of happening now. hey, jon? jon: thank you, sandra. voters head to the polls in indiana primary. donald trump riding a wave of momentum after five victories last week. he is hoping to cement his front-runner status. ted cruz hoping to sway skeptical voters that he could have get the nomination. calling trump a pat pathological liar. hillary clinton ask skipping indiana, touring appalachia, touring west virginia. let hemmer go home and have a nap. he has a long day today. sandra: we would never dream of it. thank you. harris: when it comes to talking politics at work you might want to zip it, or risk losing your job. an attorney telling the new york post saying many companies have policies that restrict poly talk and employers are within their rights to fire you. more than half of workers say they feel fear about talking about politics and getting heated or offensive when those topics come up. jedediah. yeah. i used to work in very liberal school in new york city. i was a teacher. i was a dean. when you go into the faculty room it would be nightmare for me. during election season. it was 2008 election. as you know that was crazy election. it was obama mania. it got really hard for me. at that time i just started doing tv and just started i learned if you have an opinion, it can rapidly change about politics it, can rapidly change the way people see you. they go from loving you to very quickly hating you. harris: really. they let you know? they let me know. it was very clear. so that can happen. harris: preparing for the segment, some of what we read did was the case with out back steakhouse and how a few years ago a woman worked there as server. she wore a tea party bracelet. she was let go of her job because she wore that an attorney said, it wouldn t have mattered because most people, most places have restrictions within their policies. sandra: definitely know how these people feel. harris s offices down from mine. what do you think of that today? what do you think of that? this is very telling, there was psychiatrist, i m sorry a psychologist, in midtown manhattan, a quarter of his clients conflicted with election-related stress who the president would be. really? i want your problems. there are millions and millions of americans paying attention to this. at a state of the race that they have never done before. they re living out these primary battles like it is the drama of their own life because it is every tuesday. sandra: yeah. you make it that way, bill hemmer. it is your fault. media, is that it, right? harris: oh, boy. julie? i can tell you i worked in politics for 20 years. i love to go to work one day and not talk about politics. i have the opposite fantasy. i want to never talk about one day. harris: you can t do that here! i have a second job where it also requires talking about politics. harris: we ll cook up more outnumbered. stay where you are. .clear for take off. see ya! when you re living with diabetes. steady is exciting. oh this is living baby! only glucerna has carbsteady, to help minimize blood sugar spikes. and try new glucerna hunger smart to help you feel full. music continues [daughter] papa! 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we deserve this. we ve been waiting so long. let s talk live in the cnn newsroom. good morning. i m carol costello. thank you for joining me. inside the mind of a killer, from his own final words. in the next few hours, the fbi is expected to release transcripts of the nightclub shooter s conversations with police all unfolding as he carried out the worst u.s. terror attack since 9/11, pledge to isis, anger against america and his motives to slaughter so many innocents. and remembering those who died in the massacre. tens of thousands gather in an orlando park to light candles and they look overhead to the heavens, to see a rainbow, long-time symbol of gay pride and perseverance. paolo sandoval is live in orlando for you this morning. reporter: hey, carol, good morning. one of several officials we expect back out here in the next couple of hours before that fairly significant press conference. the department of justice and the fbi expected to release new details and shed more light on what was an extremely tense conversation, series of conversations between the gunman, omar mateen, and police. this morning, authorities set to release the killer s words. the fbi and local law enforcement will put out limited transcripts and a timeline of the orlando killer s conversations with negotiators during the three-hour standoff. the reason we re going to limit these transcripts is to avoid revictimizing those who went through this horror. reporter: attorney general loretta lynch tells cnn it details phone calls with the killer before he was shot dead by police. he talked about pledges of allegiance to a terrorist group and his motivations to why, he was claiming at that time, he was committing this horrific act. he talked about american policy in some ways. we re still exploring why he chose this particular place to attack. this, as police defend their tactics that morning as the killer carried out his rampage inside the popular gay nightclub in orlando. there was never a time we were just sitting there, doing nothing. reporter: 45 minutes after the first shots were fired, 100 officers and watt members were on the scene but waited to engage the shooter as the calls for help grew louder inside. i was cursing for them to enter. enter the building. reporter: orlando s.w.a.t. commander insisting police mounted strategic efforts before making the call at 5:00 am to blow through the club s wall. the misconception is that officers did not go inside until 5:00 or whenever the last time the last breach was. officers were going inside from the beginning of this incident. reporter: over the weekend several funerals and memories for the victims of the attack. more than 50,000 gathering in the city of orlando to pay their respects at a candlelight vigil. mourners in awe as a giant rainbow appeared over the memorial to remember the 49 lives senselessly taken one week ago. back out live at the crime scene. day eight of this investigation is under way. important to remember, carol, some details that will likely not be released in these partial transcripts today. attorney general loretta lynch, carol, speaking to cnn, saying they basically don t want to revictimize people who have been through so much. and this is also a very fluid investigation. you just have to look behind me to be reminded of that. carol? paolo sandoval live in orlando this morning. thank you. capitol hill set for another showdown on gun control. four measures today, one that would make it harder to buy a gun if you re on a federal terror watch list. the chances of anything pass rg slim, at best. cnn s manu raju is live in washington with that. good morning. good morning, carol. now democrats are focused on a much more narrow bill, trying to deny suspected terrorists on watch lists from buying guns. republicans have offered their own bill. democrat think that would do nothing to solve the problem. we re essentially back to square one on the gun issue on capitol hill. the senate set to vote on four gun measures one week after the worst mass shooting in u.s. history. i m bewildered of coming to terms with some of the restraints. reporter: amendments all expected to fail. i admit that the background checks bill will be tough to get 60 votes on. we still have hope that we can get republicans on board. reporter: requiring tougher background checks on gun show and online sales, barring terror suspects on watch lists from purchasing a firearm. many republicans say the democratic plans violate the rights of americans mistakenly placed on terror watch lists. republicans have voted consistently to ban people on that list from having a gun but to give them an opportunity to prove they shouldn t be on the list. reporter: the nra called the democrats gun measures political poise, diverting attention away from the failure of the government to fight terror. they re coming and they re going to try to kill us. we need to be prepared. and this president, by diverting the attention to gun control movement, that s not going to solve the problem. reporter: the nra s choice for president, donald trump, is renewing his call to racially profile muslims to prevent terror attacks. i think profiling is something that we re going to have to start thinking about as a country. it s not the worst thing to do. i hate the concept of profiling but we have to use common sense. reporter: also reiterating his belief that fewer would have died inside the gay nightclub in orlando, had club goers been armed. if some of those wonderful people had guns strapped right here, right to their waist or right to their ankle and this [ bleep ] comes out and starts shooting, and one of the people in that room happen to have it and goes boom, boom. you know what? that would have been a beautiful, beautiful sight. reporter: even the nra takes issue with that. i don t think you should have firearms where people are drinking. reporter: now two developments, senator susan collins of maine will unveil what she is calling a compromise of sorts. banning a sale of a gun to anyone on a no-fly list. we ll see how that pans out. another development, donald trump tweeted earlier this morning, trying to walk back that statement about arming folks at that nightclub, tweeting to say when i said that within the orlando club you had some people with guns, i was obviously talking about additional guards or employees. but, as we saw carol, he was clearly talking about people who attended the nightclub. little bit of a walkback from donald trump. carol? manu, thank you. with me now is dan gross, president of the brady campaign to end gun violence. welcome. thanks, carol. big day for you guys. yeah. we re going to have an historic vote where we have the opportunity the senate has the opportunity to do what the american public wants them to do, which is pass sensible measures to keep guns out of the hands people who we all agree won t have them. by all accounts those measures will fail. we have been putting calls into congress, into the senate at a record-breaking pace since senator murphy s historic and heroic filibuster. the american public are behind these measures and we re showing you now more than ever, we put 150,000 calls into the senate in 24 hours. we re showing what 90% support of the american public looks like. we re going to hold our senators accountable and they ll realize sooner rather than later that they re on the wrong side of history. republicans have offered a compromise, right? they want a three-day waiting period so they can decide if a person on a terror watch list can buy a gun. that s a joke. why? it s a farce. there s still the opportunity to keep a convicted felon from buying a gun, domestic abuser, sbs who has been convicted of some terrible crime. that s the standard that a judge would use to prevent the purchase of that gun. and, you know, by the way, that only applies to federally licensed firearm dealers. we need to make sure that those same background checks are done at gun shows and online. that s another thing that these people say they re against terrorism, against keeping guns out of terrorists hands are against. according to the national counterterrorism center as of august 2014, there were around 1.1 million names on the terror watch list but only 25,000 of those names were americans. islam is actually the singer cat stevens. that same year congressman john lewis and ted kennedy were stopped and interrogated many times. kennedy held up because the name t. kennedy had become a popular pseudonym among terror suspects. in 2008 cnn s drew griffin was on the list. doesn t the nra and some republicans have a point? listen, they re pretending they re defending people s rights. the only rights they re defending are those of the people we agree shouldn t have guns. it s not based on a no-fly list or terror watch list t gives the discretion to the attorney general in terms of who should be able to buy guns and who shouldn t be able to buy guns, which is the best thing i can do. i would ask all people against the bill, are you against having a no-fly list? of course there s always things we can do to improve our security systems. right now we all agree that there are way too many people that shouldn t have guns that get through those security systems. let s say all these measures go down to defeat. what s next? we re just getting started. yes, we re having this discussion in the wake of a terrible tragedy in orlando. it s a movement that s been building for years. the american public has had enough, enough of easy access to guns by people we all agree shouldn t have them. six votes and seven years to pass the original brady bill that established these life-saving background checks, 2.6 million of those people we all agree shouldn t have guns have been stopped. if it takes another six votes, seven years, it will have been worth it. i don t think it s going to take that long. these congresspeople will wake up and realizes they re on the wrong side of history sooner than they think. we ll see. dan gross, thanks for stopping by. thank you, carol. a celebration 52 years in the making. it was incredible, right? nba title comes home to cleveland at last. andy sholes is there. reporter: it was an amazing night, carol. fans here in cleveland can finally say they are, in fact, champions. we ll hear what they had to say about ending that long drought, when newsroom continues. s a rt the second his room is ready. so he knows exactly when he can settle in and think big. and when josh thinks big you know what he gives? i ll give you everything i ve got and then some. he gives a hundred and ten percent! i m confident this 10% can boost your market share. look at that pie chart! boom! you ve never seen a number like that! you feel me lois? i m feeling you. yeah you do! let s do this! watch out he just had a whole thimble full of coffee. woot! woot! the ready for you alert, only at laquinta.com. la. quinta! yeah! but i m not gonna let em catch me, no no, not gonna let em catch the midnight rider, yeaaahh. but i m not gonna let em catch me nooo not gonna let em catch the midnight riiiiiiiideer! fight heartburn fast. with tums chewy delights. the mouthwatering soft chew that goes to work in seconds to conquer heartburn fast. tum tum tum tum. chewy delights. only from tums. finally, finally, a celebration in cleveland. it s amazing! last time cleveland won a sports championship title i can t even remember, and i m old. since then, cleveland has suffered through decades of disappointing losses for all three major sports teams. we re talking baseball, basketball, football. but lebron, thank you. it s over! it s over! cleveland is a city of champions once again! yes, it s the very first nba title for the cavaliers. and it was brought home by a very emotional lebron james, the prodigal son who abandoned cleveland for miami at a time. but he came home because he felt he had one thing left to do, and that was to win a championship. got to go two years when i came back. championship to the city. i gave everything that i had. i poured my heart, my blood, my sweat, my tears into this game. and cleveland, this is for you! it s just really awesome. in just a few hours, the team will step up in their hometown, hold up the championship trophy and they ll be proud, andy sholes, and i m so jealous you re there. i know, carol. i know you re from this area and you know how starved the city of cleveland was for this championship. 52 years of sports misery and finally the fans in cleveland can call themselves champions. we watched game seven with all the fans last night. they were hoping, they were praying this was finally going to be their year. we finally got a good game. after all those blowouts, lebron coming through with that epic block in the closing minutes to keep the game tied, setting the stage for kyrie irving to hit one the best shots in the nba finals. no one had ever come back from a three-game sedeficit in the history of the nba finals. our fans, they ride or die. no matter what s been going on. browns, indians, cavs and all the other sport team teams. they continue to support us. for us to be able to end this end this drought, ow fans deserve it. they catastrophe it. it was for them. i ve never seen a fan base want a championship more than i saw the cleveland fans want this last night. when that final buzzer sounded, they just erupted with pure joy, running around. fans were crying, some were embracing. the common theme among most of them or all the ones i talked to, was this was the happiest moment of their lives. 52 years of frustration. i ve been to all that other stuff. this was wonderful. finally, we did it! my city, cleveland is finally champion. you look around at this city right now. this is what we ve been longing for. this is what we wanted. we deserve it. we have the greatest fans. we got the greatest player on the planet. oh, my god, i can t even describe. cleveland deserves this. we ve been waiting so long. like cleveland needs nice things. reporter: now they ve got a nice big, shiny larry o brien trophy, carol. the team is expected to arrive here in cleveland in a couple of hours. they re not coming from oakland, california. the team went to las vegas last night to celebrate their championship. i m sure there will be a lot of tired eyes on that airplane coming back to the city of cleveland. of course, the party will continue throughout the week, carol. wednesday, that big championship parade through the streets of downtown cleveland. i only wish lebron could play football because then maybe the cleveland browns reporter: tie in for the browns. yes, that would be nice. andy sholes, thanks so much. still to come in the newsroom, a coup at the republican convention? 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who is your other candidate? we have a lot of great canned day. such as? marco arubio, ted cruz. they lost. not when gu to the convention of the they can put their platform forward. and those delegates can vote and have ballot after ballot after ballot. we go to 5:00, 6:00 in the morning, 36, 37 ballots, we re going to pick the candidate best able to beat clinton and advance through the republican party. reporter: any attempt to try to stop trump, he said, from being the nominee would be illegal and disenfranchise the millions of people who actually casted votes for him during the primary season. what this really points to is the overall problem with trump and the gop. gop not happy with trump, not happy with his rhetoric, not happy with the way the trump campaign is moving forward. to that end, cnn has learned the trump camp will be holding a meeting today here at trump tower. trump will meet with some of his senior advisers, inner circle and family members here as well, possibly to discuss ways of changing the campaign, changing the direction moving forward. what is clear, carol, is something at this point needs to change. carol? jason carroll reporting live from trump tower here at new york city. the top rnc official, though, says the idea of a delegate revolt is nothing more than a media creation and a series of tweets. let s talk aut that. scottie nell hughs. welcome to both of you. good morning. scottie, house speaker paul ryan raised some eyebrows over the weekend after this comment to nbc. the last thing i would do is tell anybody to do something that s contrary to their conscience. of course i wouldn t do that. believe me, chuck, i get it, a very strange situation. a very unique nominee. i feel as a responsibility, institutionally, as speaker of the house i should not be leading some chasm. do you know what that will do? that will definitely knock us out of the white house. the party is already divided. it s divided and i m not going to tell somebody to go against their conscience. adding fuel to lonigan s fire. is he? depends how you look at it. either way, he is leading somewhat of a chasm amongst the house speakers. only 13% say congress is doing a good job in america today. i think congressman ryan needs to focus on his own house, the fact that they can t pass bills, that they re republican controlled yet we re not seeing any real legislation being passed on to the senate and the president. he has his own problems in his own house. how about working on that instead of this passive/aggressive talk that is only adding fuel to the fire that there s a divide in a party that s not really that divided. really, it s not that divided? ben, isn t it divided? really? it s not. what you have here is unprecedented establishment gop figures who are so hell bent on defeating donald trump because they re sore losers. ted cruz is who i initially supported. he lost. when you lose, you do something and that is you coalesce behind the person who is the nominee. it s very simple. there s been precedent for this. what you have now are people who want to say, guess what, we told you that donald trump was a horrible candidate and he lost and you should have listened to us. i have never seen anything like this among the establishment who are spending more time going after donald trump than they are hillary clinton. i also think we should put this in perspective. this is not going to happen in any real terms that s going to affect donald trump at the convention. this is about media. this is about people trying to get a name for themselves and get on tv. this is going to go nowhere. this is chaos that will never take place. he is going to be the nominee. he is going to be in charge at the convention. there is a possibility, scottie. you can change the rules before the convention in cleveland or at the convention in cleveland. you can do that. technically, you can. they re going to go a few days before and use the same set of rules voted on in 2012. but any changes have to pass the manlthd of the rule. then it has to go to the floor of the convention, as these reports are saying, overwhelming delegates in the trump camp. the likely happening of that is slim to none. the only divide that s existing is among steve lonig a. n. by the way, if you open up a dictionary and look at the word bitter, it has his picture. everything he is saying is not following reality. anything that would change the picture would guarantee a loss of the republicans in the white house as well as the disenfranchised republican voter all the way down. in the fourth district of virginia, trump supporter beat the establishment candidate. the people are engaged behind mr. trump. politicians behind a lonigan or ryan. go ahead, ben. here is the other thing. what steve was saying this morning on new day, he couldn t even tell you who the candidate would be that they would put up. it would be political suicide for anybody that ran against donald trump to somehow re-emerge at the convention in a failed attempt to kind of overthrow him. you also would have the most massive republican vote of people who supported donald trump if this happened. the only way you would even have a chance of doing this, with some sort of fringe gop hack who decided to throw his name in there. no one in their right mind would be able to say i m going to stand up. rubio isn t going to do that. cruz isn t going to do that. hukabee is not going to do that. santorum isn t going to do that. a crazy would be the only person that would give another name. he couldn t even do it this morning. no one is having a serious conversation with a serious political career with steve or anyone else in this, quote, unquote, revolt. it s about them getting their media attention. i think they re crazy. they re big sore losers here and donald trump will be the nominee. all right. i have to leave it there. we can all agree it will be one interesting convention in cleveland in july. very interesting. no sleep till cleveland, carol. exactly. sco scottie nell hughes, thank you so much. sandy hook families are hoping to sue the maker of the gun used to kill 20 small children and six adults. te minia patented fast-dissolving formula. it starts to relieve sudden cravings fast. i never know when i ll need relief. that s why i only choose nicorette mini. callinall providers.rs. all self-motivated self-starters. drive with uber and put a dollar sign in front of your odometer. like this guy. technically i m a cook. sign up here. drive a few hours a day. make $300 a week. actually it s a little bit more than that. that s extra buy-you-stuff money. or buy-them-stuff money. calling all early risers, nine-to-fivers and night owls. with uber-a little drive goes a long way. start earning this week. go to uber.com/drivenow if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis isn t it time to let the real you shine through? 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someone is drowning. i just played in the pool. do you see the person right now? no, i didn t. the older lifeguards are there at the pool and talking with you. i didn t see anything. are they pulling someone out of the lake, is that correct? yes. okay. we have no information. can you see them right now? no, i can t see them. do you have a cell phone that you can call from and go by where they re at and get me more information? okay. give me a second. okay. i ll call you back right now. yes. go over where they re at. call 911. ask for reedy creek. we re on our way. reedy creek, by the way, is the fire and emergency dispatch for disney world, not part of the orange county system directly. but it is also a very capable emergency response system. so what happened was the person by the pool apparently called on a landline. that automatically goes to the disney 911. and orange county says that they were actually notified by disney of the tragedy that occurred about six minutes later. that s how the 911 call goes. remember, carol, it was dark at night and the person is at the pool. so there s some distance away to the lakefront which could explain why this woman, it sounds like, was unable to give the kind of information and detail that the dispatcher wanted to hear. that s the initial breakdown of that particular call, carol. martin savidge reporting live for us this morning. thank you. question soon to be answered this morning, at least we think so, can a gun maker be sued if one of its guns is used at a mass killing or violent crime? suing remington arms, manufacturer of the assault weapon used to kill those children and teachers. the argument was the gun maker knew that the product was too dangerous for civilian use and should not have been sold. some of the family members spoke outside the courthouse minutes ago. i was present at the firehouse on 12/14/12 when 25 other families learned that our loved ones were killed. after hours of sitting, hoping and praying that they were alive. that day forever changed my family, the 25 other families and families across the world. gun makers typically are not held liable for the way their guns are used. there s a reason for that. joey jackson is here, cnn s legal analyst. what s the reason? here is the issue. there s a federal statute, carol good morning to you. the federal statute the community that sells guns. you have manufacturers that are immunized from selling a weapon, you have this statute that affords them protection. the issue was every time a crime is committed, the people who sold guns and manufactured guns said this would be ruinous liability f we re going to be held accountable every time a crime occurs we re not going to be able to sell guns. based upon that a statute passed that said you re right. there are loopholes in that statute. that s what s at play here. let s talk about this federal exemption for gun manufacturers, right? yes. you can sue car manufacturers for whatever you want. why don t they have a federal exemption? you would have to ask that question to congress. have you a very powerful gun lobby and second amendment that says people have the right to bear arms, the gun industry said why should we be held accountable? guns don t kill people. people kill people. that s been the argument. based upon that, congress has acted. you could argue the same thing with cars. cars don t kill people. people kill ten-year ban on assault weapons. unfortunately, carol, you saw a lapse in that. and because of the lapse in it after ten years, 2004, there is no such thing. 2005, you have this statute that says, you know what? if people get their hands on weapons, we re going to immunize you. people killing people are the issue. however, in that statute, it says that if people who you know or might reasonably expect get their hands on weapons and commit crimes you may very well be liable. that s what s at the heart of this very litigation. okay. so, what are the chances of success? it may be very good. i think you re seeing a major pushback. people are saying, look, enough is enough. when you manufacturer a gun there are two sides of the argument clearly. what the families are saying are this. you have an ar-15. it discharges 30 rounds in ten seconds. you have people in the military who use that weapon. they re trained for 100 hours before they get to use it and undergo a mental health evaluation. but you re going to market this weapon to civilians without that mental health evaluation and without any such training. really? and that s the argument that the families are making. it has no use in practical life other than to kill people. and, of course, the manufacturers say, again, guns don t kill people. people do. we re simply manufacturing a product that s out there for the public. if they use it in an inappropriate way it s on them, certainly not on us. joey jackson, thank you so much. pleasure. first he said to ban muslims. now the said u.s. should look into profiling muslims. will that make us safer? 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well, like a lot of trump proposals this proposal is vague, unconstitutional and would be infective. what does profiling mean? there are the people carrying out these attacks generally speaking are american citizens. the first amendment is the first amendment, the four th amendmen, the right to not have unreasonable searches, and then in practice what would it look like? every police department should just sort of search muslims randomly when the number of muslims involved in these attacks is a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny percentage of the population? and we have seen court cases in new york, carol, where essentially the new york police department had to settle cases where there was policemen going into mosques and the like. they didn t admit fault r, but they settled the cases and paid the plaintiffs costs suggesting the courts would take a dim view of efforts that were similar. george washington university did a study on extremism in america and determined there was no one profile of an isis sympathizer. it points out 38% of those charged with were converts to islam. so how would profiling stop them? i don t think it would. i mean, you know, it would be a tremendous waste of resources. the thing is not to profile people. the thing is to act on intelligence about people who may be doing bad things, and the fbi doesn t get too hung up on motivations. what they re looking for is your actions. so, for instance, it seems to be a no-brainer, if you ve been the subject of some kind of fbi terrorist inquiry, if you re buying automatic weapons that that should be flagged to law enforcement at a minimum and perhaps even be barred and as we see on the hill today, those kinds of ideas are being voted on. but, you know, it s quite possible they ll fail, unfortunately. i think that, you know, people want easy answers to this problem. they want swn to give them the solution. tell us why that s kind of not possible in the situation. well, you know, and they want an easy answer to why people do these things, and if you look at omar mateen in orlando, you know, clearly he was a very troubled individual and, yes, islam s militant ideology had some influence but there were other things in play. i think you can bring some common sense to bear which is in several of the cases we ve seen in the united states of lethal terrorist attacks, the perpetrator had been investigated in some shape or form by the fbi and then perfectly legally went out and bought semiautomatic weapons before the attack. it seems sensible we should end that. all right. peter bergen, thanks so much for your insight, as always. we have a bit of breaking news to pass along in the world of politics. we always do it veseems, right? but this is big news. we understand according to hope hicks who is trump s spokesperson that corey lewandowski is out as trump s campaign manager. do you just want to bring in our panel now? actually let s go out to jason carroll because he s at trump tower. what can you tell us about this, jason? reporter: well, this speaks to what we were talking about a little earlier, carol, when i told but that meeting taking place today here at trump tower with trump and his senior advisers, members of his family. there s been a lot of concern, as you know, concern not just from donors but members of the gop not happy with trump s rhetoric, not happy with the direction of the campaign. so this is one of the changes we re seeing. corey lewandowski, trump s now former campaign manager, will no longer be in position here. let me just read you part of the statement coming from hope hicks. she says that donald trump campaign for president which has set a historic record in the republican primary having received almost 14 million votes has today announced that corey lewandowski will no longer be working with the campaign. as you know, carol, lewandowski for some time there s been talk about his ability to get along with other members of the campaign, his act to get along with people like the campaign chairman, paul manafort. there have been questions about his temperament, questions about his leadership ability. as you know, back in march he had that situation with that breitbart reporter where he allegedly manhandled her. there s been lots of concerns about his ability to go from primary to a general election and this now seems to be the result of his inability to work within the campaign, the inability to get the message on track. carol? 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oh, this is another disaster for the trump campaign. that campaign is deeply troubled. it goes well beyond corey lewandowski and whether he is campaign manager. campaigns simply don t work well with a two-headed or three-headed hydra. he was kind of co-campaign manager with paul manafort, but, carol, it s so much more than that. this is a campaign that is under funded, that isn t properly organized. the convention itself is questionable in terms of what it s going to produce and how it s going to produce it, and the clinton campaign is simply light years ahead of the trump campaign. clinton is on air right now with a 20-plus million dollar advertising campaign in virtually every swing state, and trump exactly zero is being spent on television, which is the easy part and the right thing to do right now. well, here is a possible reason why. cnn has done some reporting. donald trump right now has $2.4 million in the bank. $2.4 million in the bank. that s in addition to $14 million he raised in unsolicited donations and the $44 million he loaned himself. at this time in the campaign mitt romney had $100 million in the bank. yeah. yeah, look, what you have is clearly a failure of organization, and that comes down on the campaign manager s head. of course, it s totally true that in every campaign tone comes from the top. this isn t just about corey lewandowski, the dysfunction inside the trump campaign. it s about the donald himself. that said, this campaign s organizational structure has been besieged by titanic infighting particularly between lewandowski and paul manafort who was brought in to try to professionalize the operation. lewandowski helped pull off an amazing coup in the primaries but had no national election experience to speak of. he had won some of the power directors. rick wiley kicked out after only a few weeks but this has been a stalwart figure who donald trump has given props to, backed in some tough political fights, out very abruptly. the question is what was the precipitating event? was it the donors and other republican national figures saying this is pathetic, there is no national campaign. your campaign manager needs to go. was it member of donald s family, his children in particular who hold tremendous sway on donald trump turning on lewandowski saying this is about to be an embarrassment? not a lot of love lost, carol. one of trump s key advisers, michael caputo tweeted out within moments of this coming public the old wizard of oz clip, ding, dong, the witch is dead. when your own staff thinks about you that way, that s what we call a tell. that s cold. i brawant to bring in john brabender, rick santorum s previous campaign manager. what do you think happened? first of all, i think that they re absolutely correct that to some degree donald trump has been dating two different campaign managers for the last month, and he s finally decided which one he wants to be in a serious relationship. obviously it s not corey. it s paul manafort. so i think that s step number one. number two is you have a campaign that was built to win the republican nomination but was not in any way built to win the general election, and i think that became very clear, and that s probably more due to donald trump, quite frankly, than it is to corey or anybody else. i think what they finally realized is they had a huge problem on their hands. that they were better dealing with this right now, more or less i think a lot of people did an intervention with the campaign and said, look, you ve got to change this now, and there still is time, and i think they decided they had to do something about it, but i was up at the campaign office just a couple weeks ago and i was struck by walking through it is it seems a lot more like a campaign, a challenger or congress rather than a presidential race and that s because they were built as a pr machine to win the republican nomination playing off and parlaying donald trump s ability to get press, but they did not have the money or the energy or the people to build an organization that you need to win a general election. i think that they now realize they have a big problem and that s why this change i think came along. but larry, donald trump has said in the past he wants to run his campaign lean because that s sort of what he wants to do as president, right? he wants to go lean and save taxpayers money. yes, well, one of his ak fli accomplishments this year may be a campaign with no debt at all but not in possession of the oval office, let s put it that way. look, a lot of this, no doubt, is a result of his auk ses in t success in the primaries and his inability to private to a general election. he has a campaign staff that is a fraction of the size of hillary clinton s, and that may be something that he touts as a rhetorical point, but you actually need all these people to run a continental campaign that s going to be spending, at least on the democratic side, $1 billion. who knows how much donald trump will actually be able to raise. well, help us understand that, john, because you need money for advertising, but you also need a lot of money for other things in order to win. tell us about those things. well, look, it is a cliche to say that it is all about getting out the vote. ground game matters especially in swing states. advertising matters to help set perceptions early to try to persuade swing voters to move your direction. that all can t be achieved on the back of earned media about a candidate who is a reality tv sister/celebrity demagogue saying outrageous things. it s a different stage of the campaign. you re not appealing to 25% of republican voters. you re trying to win 51% of the american people. that is an operational challenge, and when you don t have any operation to speak of, this late in the game, and even though it s june, it s late in the game to be starting at zero. not putting any ads on tv. that is an unforced error with cataclysmic repercussions for all down ticket republicans running. it s not solely about donald trump freelancing and thinking he can get all the earned media he possibly needs by saying outrageous things. all of a sudden the money, the rest of the party says, look, you re taking us down on something that makes the titanic look like a successful cruise and they re not going to put up with that and clearly the decision to go with manafort is about the establishment saying let s see if we can right this ship and win becausewin. will getting rid of corey lewandowski calm donorings as a other republicans on board. not in the short term. but having done so many campa n campaig campaigns, you re actually better off calling time out, making the changes, taking two weeks to right the ship and then it will pay dividends down the road but for today it s going to look like chaos and it s going to be a bad day for trump, but i do think it was necessary not because of corey s falult, just because organizationally they were set up as a disaster waiting to happen. now at least they can make steps and hopefully they will to right the ship, but it was a necessary thing that they had to do. in the short term they will take a hit. what does it say about mr. trump s leadership style? well, you know, presidents have to organize a federal government. you know, it s not just the white house staff. it s the cabinet and a lot of pieces of the bureaucracy beyond that. the campaigning is the easy part. all former presidents have agreed on that. if only it were as easy to run the government as it has been to run a campaign. so in that sense this is a bad signal, and i think john bra bender, an excellent campaign manager but he s being very optimistic there in saying two weeks down the pike it s going to look better. i don t think it s going to back better in two weeks. i don t think it s going to look a whole lot better in two months. really? why, larry? because this is fundamental to who donald trump is and how he is running the campaign and what the campaign is about, and we ve already seen that he wasted weeks after he wrapped up the republican nomination. he lost his time with hillary clinton in a series of polls, and in the polling averages he s now behind about 6%. in some polls much more than that. things have to change much more dramatically than having a switch in campaign managers. all right. i have to leave it there. larry, john, john, thanks to all of you. coming up in the newsroom, at any minute we re expecting new details from the fbi. what the orlando killer told police during that standoff. i ll be right back. ected. with centurylink as your trusted technology partner, you get an industry leading broadband network and cloud and hosting services. centurylink. your link to what s next. whe gets a ready for you alert the second his room is ready. so you know what he gives? 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the pledge of ale jelegiance to isis. what won t we read? we are told that he was fairly limited when it comes to his involvement or possible involvement with the lgbt community. we know there are several reports out there that suggest he could have possibly been a homosexual himself despite having that hatred toward the lgbt community. so again, don t expect a whole lot when it comes to that but a whole lot of questions we will be asking in the next hour or so, carol, as that press conference begins. we ll get back to you. polo sandoval reporting live from orlando. with me now is bob baer. thank you so much. you re our cnn terror analyst and cnn intelligence analyst. what do you want to learn? what do you think we ll learn from these transcripts? carol, i want to hear the pledge. i want to see if he was truly driven by the islamic state and its ideology. or was this a homophobic attack. we simply don t know at this point. not until we get those transcripts will we, and i hope that the justice department releases them, the political part in their entirth because it it s very, very important. i think one of the concerns is they don t want isis using this terrorist s words as recruiting tools. is that fair? no, i understand that, but the public needs to know what drove this man. if it was not an isolated lone wolf attack or it was just a hate crime, we need to know that. we need to know what the threat is. we need to know what the chronology is. we need to know who he saw in saudi arabia, at what point did he start recruiting himself. was it his new wife that did it? was it somebody in the mosque? all those things are very important. unless you actually see the detail, we re just we re going on hearsay at this point and i think that s a mistake for the american public. isn t it enough for the investigators to know what all he said inside that club? well, it is, indeed, because the way i see this man, i have seen a lot of press saying he was personally disturbed, this was, you know, a mass killer driven by his demons. i haven t seen that. i don t entirely agree. i think he found a cause and plurded on behalf of his beliefs and only his words will tell us and, of course, what he was looking at on the internet is very important. we all should see that and the islamic state already has all the propaganda it needs and the fact he called up 911 and said he did it for the islamic state is very telling for me. it is interesting, abc news talked to the shooter s wife s family and said she had learning disabilities and she was a follower. what do you make of that? you know, if i look at the chronology of this, she probably had a huge influence on him. you know, defined his way. and here is another question, carol, who was he talking to? a lot of these islamic state assaulters like this guy don t talk about their beliefs to everyone. they hide them. in the paris attacks they found out and they were listening to the phones of some of these people, they never let on about their beliefs, what they were doing next, so this is very clear for them that they have to watch what they say on the phone or say to others, an ond only b going through the evidence piecemeal in a systematic fashion can we really get to the bottom of this. all right. robert baer, thanks for joining me. still to come, now that it s over between donald trump and his campaign manager, what s next for corey lewandowski? 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is there anyone telling donald trump, look, this can t go on this way? yeah. our understanding is that in large part it was his family, donald trump s family, his children to be specific have been very involved in his campaign. we ve seen so in a public way and the same is true in a private way. and that there were meetings with his family and it was enough is enough. but i will tell you that lewandowski himself i don t believe realized this was coming as swiftly as it did because, i mean, i was in contact with him over the weekend because i was filling in with jake tapper yesterday about and he actually helped get a guest for me. he was involved in conference calls this morning and in communication with reporters this morning. and so i don t think he realized that this was happening, but let s just kind of take a step back. there s a lot of kind of personal drama here, and it is it is the kind of thing that you the reason why we focus on campaigns sometimes when there s inner turmoil like a soap opera but if you look at just the message and the messaging and the way donald trump has been behaving and how voters have been reacting to him, it just is not working. it worked in the primaries. it worked for that very specific, narrow, republican electorate but when he goes out after orlando and gives the kind of speech that he does. when he says what he said about the judge in his one of his trump university fraud cases and it just completely fails miserably with the voters that he needs, that means there needs to be a change, but the question, carol, is whether or not donald trump is going to change now that corey lewandowski is out or whether this is really the candidate himself making the decisions and whether he can broaden out his campaign. stay right there. i want to bring in alex connaut. what does corey lewandowski s ouster say about donald trump s management style when it comes to his campaign? well, i don t think it s a surprise to anyone that s watched trump over the years that he likes to fire people. he had a show that was him firing people. i think corey deserves credit for getting mr. trump this far. what he did in the primaries was historic and imwere he is spres the entire campaign is under water right now and it s a recognition that things are not on the right track. if we continue on this trajectory trump is going to lose by a historic margin. it s recognition by trump and others in the organization that something needs to change. i don t know that firing one person is going to be enough to right the ship. it could very well be the beginning of theant for trump. in past campaigns in 1992 ross perot shook up his campaign and then dropped out altogether. we ll see what happens with trump s campaign. let me ask you about this. donors won t say, wow, thank god, got rid of corey lewandowski. now everything is going to be okay. you don t think that will happen? well, look, everybody know that is trump is running this campaign on his own. he s the one that makes every major decision. he s the one that goes out and says whatever he wants to say. i don t know that there s a single human on this earth that can walk into that organization and fix things overnight because a big part of the problem is trump. trump s message is not resonating with a majority of americans. to the contrary, a majority of americans, 70% of americans now, have an unfavorable view of him and that s after they ve gotten a very good look at him over the last year. i don t know that it s a staffer that can step in and fix it. i think there are bigger problems at play here. but we ll see who trump gets to fill that huge void in his campaign now. dana, do you have any idea? no, i don t actually, and the inquire is whether he will or whether paul manafort, who is the person with whom corey clashed the most, is just going to step into that role. the other question is whether or not trump is going to expand the campaign and have an organization that is more even close to the kind that we see in a real campaign that alex whas worked on many times in his life and, you know, what we have seen now is there s so few people who work there in part just because that s, again, what worked in the primaries, but it s a completely different world in the general election. will they be able to build the team, to hire even basic staff members like staff directors for battleground states, communications team at trump headquarters which they have one person basically, hope hicks, and a couple of people who work for her. again, the question is whether or not those kinds of positions are going to be expanded and whether the circle of trust is going to be expanded or whether or not this is just the way donald trump likes to operate because he is so incredibly hands on. during the primaries thats ha w very much to his benefit. following his gut or maybe it was corey s advice in giving the kind of reaction he gave to orlando, doubling down on the muslim ban, hasn t seemed to work. the panic i have heard from donors, from members of congress and so forth, from people who weren t on board with donald trump but thought they could get on board with him once he became their candidate, once he began to unify the party, these people have not seen that happen and him just doing more of the same, that has contributed to kind of the situation we re in, but i also think, remember, donald trump has a small circle of people he listens to. there s no way that people like his daughter or his sons were not intimately involved in all of this. dana and alex, thanks for your insight. i appreciate it. from the campaign shake-up to the showdown on capitol hill, we ll have the latest on the gun control debate. but first a market check. we re watching a major rally for the stock market. now well up other 200 points, up 244 points. wow. i ll be right back. with usaa is awesome. homeowners insurance life insurance automobile insurance i spent 20 years active duty they still refer to me as gunnery sergeant when i call being a usaa member because of my service in the military to pass that on to my kids something that makes me happy my name is roger zapata and i m a usaa member for life. usaa. we know what it means to serve. get an insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life. whe gets a ready for you alert the second his room is ready. so you know what he gives? 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x1 will change the way you experience nbcuniversal s coverage of the rio olympic games. call or go online today to switch to x1. a showdown is brewing on capitol hill over guns and who should be able to buy them. the senate is set to vote on four measured today. one would make it harder to buy a gun if your name appears on a federal terror watch list. gun control advocates are hopeful, but that hope may be misplayed. manu raju is live in washington with more on this. good morning. reporter: good morning, carol. today the senate will vote oven four measures offered by both republicans and democrats aimed at stemming gun violence. two deal with background checks, the other two to prevent suspected terrorists from getting guns. all four are expected to fail to get the 60 votes needed for passage. democrats are now training their focus on trying to deny people who are on terror watch lists the ability to buy firearms but republicans argue that bill is too broad and would sweep up innocent americans and they have their own plan to close the so-called terror gap and that would give the fbi and courts a say in whether someone should be denied a firearm. lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are pushing their positions very hard. i admit the background checks bill is going to be tough to get 60 votes on. republicans have voted consistently to ban people from on that list from having a gun but to give them an opportunity to prove they shouldn t be on the list. reporter: tonight senator collins of maine will actually introduce a bill that she is promising will be a promise on this issue. now, she has the support of five of her colleagues. that bill would bar the sale of a gun to anyone on the no-fly list and allow for an appeals process for anyone denied the right to buy a gun but its chances are uncertain. still, leaders on both sides of the aisle are not ruling it out quite yet. manu raju reporting live from washington. thank you. with me now larry pratt, executive director of gun owners of america. hi, larry. hello. good to be with you. nice to have you here. some republicans are suggesting a compromise measure. they want a three-day waiting period so a judge can decide whether someone on the terror watch list can buy a gun. is that reasonable? well, it s a step in the right direction, but it s not really due process. and all the while they re kind of in the weeds of what the democrats have been talking about, and neither party is addressing the gorilla in the room, which is all of our mass murders save two since 1950 have been in gun-free zones just like the one in orlando. they re not talking the republican leadership wait a minute in orlando just to, you know, a minor quibble, but there was an armed guard inside that bar the night that terrorist opened fire, so that wasn t a gun-free zone. sure there was. yes, it was because he was the only one state law printed anybody else from having a gun, and so they were all unarmed once the dirtbag shot his way past the guard, it was open season on helpless victims, and that s the problem with gun-free zones. they are safety only in the minds of those politicians who think it s a good idea, but they don t work and they have failed for decades. well, it was a gun-free zone because it was a bar, and when people drink, the state of florida probably doesn t think it s a very good idea to arm patrons control the amount of booze you sell them but don t in a bar? in a bar. yes. in might hurt that s why you go to a bar. do you think a mass murder hurts business? that s what gun-free zones do. let me run this by you. according to frank luntz, a republican pollster, 76% of gun owners, including 71% of nra members do not believe someone on the terror watch list should be able to buy a gun. an orlando gun store manager, a very pro-gun guy, is on board with that. listen to what he told me. there s no i have never been on a terror watch list i don t believe that right now they are i think they were trying to pass something along those lines, but i m not sure that rule has passed honestly. does that bug you? yes. i m going to be honest with you, yes, it does. because if you are if you are on a watch list where you can t even fly, you shouldn t be able to buy a firearm or any type of weapon for that matter. okay. and he says for us to depend on the right to keep and bear arms on a watch list means we re going to depend on a list that had congressman mcclintock and the late senator kennedy on the same list. that s not really a very good process. so let s stop getting into the weeds and talking about things that aren t going to really make a difference. let s get into that. let s get into it, okay? there are 1.1 million names on the terror watch list. 25,000 of those names are the names of american citizens, and you re right. there have been mistakes. we don t know how many mistakes there have been because that s not public knowledge for some reason, but do those mistakes justify allowing every single person on that terror watch list to purchase a firearm? does a gun-free zone in every one but two of our mass murders justify continuing the gun-free zones. that s not what i asked. but you re not asking the right question. i m getting into what you were saying. i want to get into it. we re not going to make people safe by trying to restrict access to guns because bad guys we have found get access to guns no matter what. you ll impede it for the good guys. the bad guys will be armed as they were in the no-gun zone in orlando. would you want to fly on a plane with someone on the terror watch list? would you? you know, frankly, that has been something that s probably occurred. the guy hasn t been convicted of anything. we have due process in this country, and if we re going to go down that slippery slope, we re going to end up with somebody making an accusation but would you, larry, want to fly with someone who was on the terror watch list? would you want to get on board a plane with someone on the terror watch list? wouldn t bother me a bit because when you can put congressman kennedy or a congressman from california on it, the list doesn t mean a whole lot. so we should dispose of the terror watch list? we shouldn t be denying people the right to keep and bear arms on the basis of the list. that is a fact. we have to do something about getting rid of gun-free zones. i don t want to feel safe. i want to be safe. i want to be able to protect myself. i want other people to be able to brecht themselves. going into a gun-free zone is definitely not the way to protect anybody. all right. larry pratt, thanks so much for stopping by. i appreciate it. thank you. we just got word we got ahold of the transcripts of the 911 calls on that horrible night in orlando from inside that club. we now know some of what the shooter is saying to police. we re going through the transcripts right now. we ll have them for you on the other side of the break. i ll be right back. defiance is in our bones. our citracal bones. easily absorbed calcium plus vitamin d. defy bone aging with citracal maximum. our highest level of calcium plus d. freshly made in the tokyo-japanese tradition, each batch is small. special. unique. every bowl blurring the line between food.and art. when you cook with incredible ingredients. you make incredible meals. fresh ingredients. step-by-step-recipes. delivered to your door. get your first two meals free blueapron.com/cook. if legalzoom has your back.s, over the last 10 years we ve helped one million business owners get started. visit legalzoom today for the legal help you need to start and run your business. legalzoom. legal help is here. the fastest delivery guy in chicago. meet maximum strength mylanta®. like owen, it works fast. unlike him, it makes heartburn go away. strong and soothing. new mylanta®. faster than heartburn. youthat s why you drink ensure. sidelined. with 9 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. for the strength and energy to get back to doing. .what you love. ensure. always be you. this is cnn breaking news. all right. as promised, i have in front of me the transcripts from the 911 calls that terrible sunday night in the wee hours of sunday morning in orlando inside the pulse nightclub. i m going to bring in evan perez, our justice correspondent, and also peter bergen, our terrorism analyst. i will just go through this initially, everyboan, and then it over to you. the call came in at 2:02. by 2:04, two minutes later, there were officers on the scene. at 2:08 officers from various law enforcement agencies made entrance to pulse and they engaged the shooter. 2:18 a.m., that s when the s.w.a.t. team arrived. at 2:35 the shooter contacted the 911 operator from inside pulse. that call lasted approximately 50 seconds. evan, i want you to go through the details of that call. reporter: that s right, carol. he actually called 911 three times. he hung up the first time. the second time hung up again, and then the third time the 911 center called him and that s this 50-second phone call that is described in this transcript. and in the call he simply describes himself as an islamic soldier and he said that, you know, he had pledged allegiance to isis. we now know that the name of the terrorist group is redacted from this transcript. the attorney general yesterday said it s simply so as not to revictimize the victims but we already know that he pledged allegiance to isis, and he also called on america to stop bombing syria and iraq, which is what he said is the home of the islamic state. he wants them out of here right now, he said. when the crisis negotiators were talking to him, you know, he said, you know, what did you do? who are you? he says, you know what i did already. you already know what i did. the shooter continued to talk to the people outside saying to the negotiators outside saying that he had some bombs, including inside his vehicle. he said if anybody tries to pull anything, he would detonate those bombs, and he said in the next few days you re going to see more of this type of action going on, and then he hung up. multiple times the negotiators tried to get in touch with him. these were unsuccessful according to these transcripts. now, we know from again, this provides a little bit of a time line between when the first calls come in at 2:02 a.m. when the shooting begins, carol, and shortly after 5:00 a.m. when the police were able to breach and break out the last group of hostages evan, i just want to interrupt because i want to read exactly what the shooter said so we can get a sense of what was in his head, right? so 2:35 a.m. this is that 50-second call. this is the operator. energy emergency 911 this is being recorded. s in the shooter, in the name of god, the merciful. the beneficial, he said something in arabic. operator, who? shooter, praise be to god and peace be upon the prophet of god. i let you know i m in orlando. i did the shootings. dispatcher, what s your name? shooter, my name is i pledge of allegiance to and that s been omi omitted. dispatcher, okay, what s your name? shooter, i pledge allegiance to omitted. may god protect him and he s saying this in arabic and then he says he s in orlando. i want to bring in peter bergen. you have read through this. nowhere in this transcript do i see anything about homosexuals, gay people, lesbians. what does that tell you, peter? well, i think this will help reframe perhaps a little bit about how we consider omar mateen s motivation. there s extension discussion in arabic on these transcripts. there s extensive mentions of his pledge of allegiance to isis or or omar baghdadi, even though it s admitted. he talks about the bombings in iraq and syria. he talks about the events in france. i think in least in terms of what he was saying to the 911 operator certainly indicates that he was doing this for religious motivations and doesn t mention, as you say, carol, anything about gays, homosexuals or any kind of these other motivations that we ve sort of deemed to be part of this potentially and the one caution here, of course, these are partial transcripts. some of the material has been redacted but there s nothing on here about anything other than somebody who has been motivated it seems by islamic ideology or at least his attaching himself to that ideology for the purposes of this attack. yeah. the fbi is going to hold a news conference at the top of the hour so i want to get right through this so quickly, evan. at 4:29 a.m. as the victims were being rescued they told the operator the shooter told the operator they were going to put four vests with explosives on the victims. that explains why the s.w.a.t. team spent so much time. there s been a lot of misunderstanding about how long this ordeal went on for these victims, especially the people stuck inside the bathroom with him which was his final stand, so to speak. many people in that bathroom died. the police were able to rescue a lot of people and the question was why it took so long. there wasn t any more shooting after the first initial exchange of gunfire. a lot of the people who died, unfortunately, died right when he first started this attack, carol. i got to end it there. evan perez, peter bergen, thank you very much. the fbi speaking in just moments so stay with us. that will come your way right after a break. thank you for joining me today. i m carol costello. you pay your car insurance premium like clockwork. month after month. year after year. then one night, you hydroplane into a ditch. yeah. surprise. your insurance company tells you to pay up again. why pay for insurance if you have to pay even more for using it? 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once against we heard that appeal. we are here in texas, it is a border state and illegal immigration came up here tonight as well. and trump and his surrogates have been softening the message, as they say this is a softening of his immigration policy. he did sound like he was backing away from the deportation thing tonight. reporter: right. his critics are certainly going to pounce on that interview he gave earlier today, don, as you know where he was asked the question about illegal immigrants coming to this country, working, providing, perhaps with children the interviewer asked him, would you change your position? he said certainly there can be a softening because we are not looking to hurt people. tonight he sounded like a hardliner making an attempt to go after hillary clinton for being weak on the border. take a listen to what he had to tell the crowd a little earlier this evening. and hillary clinton wants a totally open border. she wants catch and release. she wants obama care and other things for illegal immigrants in many cases more than our great veterans get. she has said she s going to give massive amnesty in her first 100 days. so really going after hillary clinton here tonight on the issue of illegal immigration, but at the end of the day here, don, tomorrow one of the headlines without question is going to be donald trump and this, quote, unquote, softening of his position. when it comes to his position to illegal immigration, he s changed many times. he said at the beginning he wanted to deport all 11 million people here in the country. then his position changed, just deport the bad ones, then it changed again saying my position is pretty much in line with what the president is already doing. just to give you a little bit more insight into this in terms of how this campaign is sort of grappling with this issue, a little earlier this evening, i spoke to senator jeff sessions before he took the stage here and i asked him about donald trump and the softening of his position and his position on the issue. he was parsing his words. he said donald trump has not softened his position in terms of the legality of illegal immigration but went on to say this is an issue that donald trump is clearly, quote, wrestling with. softening, jason. remember, it s not change, not a flip flop, it a softening of his position. i want to turn to mr. jeff zeleny. softening, jeff, softening. there are a lot of barbs thrown as hillary clinton but none tougher than that one. lie after lie after lie. hillary clinton is totally unfit to hold public office. it is impossible to figure out where the clinton foundation ends and the state department begins. so let s tell our viewers if they are just tuning in, he s talking about news today on possible ties between hillary clinton and the clinton foundation when she was secretary of state. reporter: in a nut shell the associated press analyzed a lot of the calendars and records from secretary clinton s time in the state department and they found in their analysis that more than half of the meetings she had were with donors to the clinton foundation, either individual or group donors. they re pointing out that there is a line potentially was crossed here in terms of allowing access. i mean, donald trump has been calling for an end to the clinton foundation for a long time, he s been calling her corrupt and crooked for a long time. but this new associated press report out tonight simply adds some fuel to that. one of the issues here is that this isn t a new issue. donald trump is not introducing something brand new to his audience tonight in texas. the questions about the clinton foundation have been asked for years really. we are getting some new information in terms of e-mails that are turned over and other things but it is hard to imagine that something at this point is going to change many minds. yes, people on the right certainly believe there is something nefarious and corrupt at the clinton foundation connected maybe with the state department. on the left i m hearing with so many democrats saying why are you talking about the foundation again, this has been investigated ad nauseam. so the issue is this is sort of a sound track of the summer but i m not sure this is going to advance the ball at all. and the clinton campaign pushed back hard on this report tonight saying it simply was not accurate. here s how they responded tonight. this story relies on utterly flawed data. the state says it omits countless meetings she took with world leaders let alone count s countless others she took with other u.s. government officials while serving as secretary of state. the clinton foundation has a perception problem. they recognized that. that s why they decided this week to vastly change their rules should she be elected president. just yesterday president clinton sent out a letter to his donors saying, look, i will state police down from the foundation boa board, i will stop raising money from foreign governments and other things if she is elected president. so we know there is a perception problem. we re seeing a lot of the foundation s allies. no question they ve done a lot of good work with malaria, drinking water, aids testing and malaria around the world. the point is was there a line crossed? were donors given special access? this question is not going to be answered between now and election day, perhaps even beyond that. this is simply going to be one of those things, a clinton controversy, like many of them over the years largely of their own making. and something that their opponent will use up until and beyond election day. here to discuss all of this, maria cardonis, angela rye i m glad that we re talking more about the great things that the can t foundation does. but you agree there is an issue with perception? if you want to make it an issue, sure. but as somebody who has worked in washington, we talked about this. i ve worked for three cabinet secretaries under the clinton administration. i can t tell you how many people would call me and would e-mail me who were good friends of my boss, who had donated to the clintons, who were asking for a meeting or asking for some sort of favor? my response is you have to go through official channels, and i wouldn t do anything. if it was appropriate for my boss to do, it was done, regardless the fact of someone who was a friend. but we re not going to tell them to go fly a kite. to most people around the country who don t work in washington, d.c., it might seem out of sorts. you say this is the way washington works. i did say that, don? and now i want to change that a little bit. i don t think that things are that different. if you have even take your child s birthday party, it not open to the community. it s an invitation it s based on who you know. so sometimes there are different access point in relationships business, in relationships period that you ll know to go to. i think part of this issue is you re making much adieu about nothing. in the earlier segment i know congressman kingston mentioned there was basically a legal problem. in the same a.p. story they say the meetings between the democratic nominee and foundation donors do not appear to violate legal agreements that hillary clinton and former president clinton signed before the establishment of the foundation. the crown prince of bahrain had gone through official channels to request a meeting with secretary clinton. those were denied. they make a donation and reach out to huma abedin and magically not magically. the associated press and all reports is saying there is no evidence of a quid pro quo. go on and finish. i well, the fact that officia channels were gone through, no meeting was scheduled, a donation made to the clinton foundation and magically a meeting happens. that s not how it happened. i want to stick to the topic and i don t want to go off on a tangent. alice was saying a meeting magically happened. you guys are saying that s not the way that happened. explain that and congressman, you can get in after. huma abedin s response when she was asked for this meeting, by the crown prince of bahrain, she said this meeting is routing through official channels. so essentially she took herself out of it. it was a meeting that was in the process of being put together. this is the crown prince of bahrain saying he s in tomorrow asking to see her, it said good friend of ours. and it says you have to go through officials, on this particular subject with the e-mails, can you talk to this particular subject before we go on? yes, i can. do we really believe that somebody said he s a good friend of ours? no kidding. he just gave $32 million to the foundation. let him finish. if everything the clinton foundation does is so great, why do they want to close it down? they don t want to close it down. you want to close it down. i sat back patiently so i got some floor time. the clintons don t want to close it down. donald trump is saying it should be closed down. they said if she is elected president, they re not longer going to take foreign donations. if it s wrong for her to take donations as president, what is it not wrong to if she s secretary of state? i think there should be a special prosecutor. all i want to do is clear her name. she s having trouble with these e-mails and you had your say, you had your say because we ve been talking about the clinton foundation for almost an hour and a half. what is so rich about donald trump asking for a special prosecutor is that here you have a guy who refuses to turn over his taxes. the first candidate in 40 years what does that have to do with the special prosecutor? that s not illegal. in his taxes, right, we will see whether he has connections to russia, connections to the bank of china, which we already know hold massive amounts of debt it s my turn to talk. let her talk. massive debt to the bank of germany. if he becomes commander in chief of the united states he ll have at his friningers tips to chang policy to effect something positive for china, for germany, for russia. hang on, i m not finished. i don t thinkmcongressman, p respectful. so that should be much more concerning because then those positive policy changes would not just help those countries which are sometimes hostile to the united states but they would be focused on lining his own pocket. alice stewart, go. i think that we have bill clinton who said if she is elected president, he ll step down. james carville went to the fact if it does shut down, people will die in the foundation shuts down. look, he also james carville also said it s the economy, stupid. in this situation we re talking about the economy of the clinton family to the tune of $156 million, who don t know the difference between where the state department ends they don t take a cent from the foundation, not one cent. don t forget, they left the white house flat broke. it was said earlier children would die in africa. i was on the foreign actions committee that oversaw the foreign aid. i have been to dozens of the aids in africa program, the malaria programs and i can tell up we stumbled on to gates foundation money, we stumbled on to rotary international money all the time. i did not see that much clinton foundation. why weren t they at the democratic national convention saying here s an example of our good work. they have a five star rating from philanthropy foundation folks. your facts are not right. as a correspondent who has been in africa on the outskirts of kigali, they do very good work. that s not to say there may not be some issues that comes to secretary of state clinton but the clinton foundation saves a lot of lives. i think james carville is right that if it was shut down, lives would be in jeopardy. i ve got to get to a break. i will let you fin, right after the break. we ll be right back. where we explore. protecting 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austin tonight talking to supporters about his immigration proposals, slamming hillary clinton, saying she s unfit to be president. bark with back with me, my panel. i was talking about the clinton foundation, the foundation has done some great work in africa. it doesn t mean there aren t issues with the state department. i used to live in africa as a very small child. i visited africa in many times and many clinics, for james carville to say people would diet withoeye without the clinton foundation, that s a completely. there s this consistent lying and cover-up with the clinton family. the clinton family made $141 million. in the history of america, what other cabinet member has ever had such a scenario? you re not saying they should not have made any money, right? i believe them making $141 million, i ve heard bill clinton speak and he s a good speaker. not $141 million worth. are you accusing them of stealing from the foundation? is that what you re doing? it a quid pro quo. it s a pay to play. a quid pro quo for what? that s a huge accusation, congressman. and it s not true. well they don t get paid one red cent from the clinton foundation. you re going for a special prosecutor for crimes that are not even on the table. even the a.p. report acknowledges they re not in violation the a.p. reporter said there weren t favors done. access is a favor. congressman kingston you have special access as the former member of the united states house of representatives. you can go down to the floor and lobby your fellow members on behalf of your no, that s not true. you don t still have access to the floor of the house? i got to soften this position and pivot right now because i want to talk about we re all trying to help put this to rest, put this to bed and let s bring in a special prosecutor. let s talk about immigration, alice. for the simple fact that the cornerstone of his campaign while he was going through the primary process was he was going to be the one to make serious changes when it comes to immigration. that was a focal point of his campaign throughout the primary process and we heard repeatedly i m going to build a wall, mexico will pay for it, we re going to deport illegals. we all knew there were aspects that could not be carried out to it but that s what built his base and now we re in a general election and he does need to soften his message and make some tweaks here and there that s a hell of a tweak. he wants to deal with immigrants and deal with them in a humane way. miss stewart, how long have i i known you? almost eight years now. a long time. eight years now. since the 2008 campaign. how is this not a flip-flop? it s not a flip-flop. it s a softening of a position. the truth is, it s going to be a difficult, tough road to hoe when this has been a cornerstone of his campaign and he does need to make tweaks on this, the key things he needs to keep in mind, you have to keep that base that got him to where he is and that s a good point, alice. he has to bring in hispanics, independents that s not happening. they don t want such harsh rhetoric. she s right hereby does have he does have to go for the middle. do you think that will help him or hurt him with supporters? i think it will hurt him with supporters. his spoupporters came out and supported him because of his draconian programs. because high wants to have a program just like eisenhower did call operation wetback. if what he s saying is true, which we don t know yet because his campaign and he are very schizophrenic on the stump, we don t know what he s putting out there. marco rubio was ridiculed in nearly every primary debate for having this same position, marco rubio who is part of the gang of six on the senate side, a bill passed the senate but couldn t get considered on the house floor was ridiculed for this. this was essentially why they voted against marco rubio in this general election. donald trump is not only embracing that position, but he s embracing barack obama s position, george w. bush s position. this is substantially more than a flip-flop. it is actually offensive. and i think that people need to hold him accountable for this. it s not just softening of a position. it s a complete 180. this is a new donald trump. as long as we re talking about immigration and being tough on the border, we re winning because hillary clinton is out of step with the american people on this. you all you are on the same page now. let him talk. donald trump has been consistent, secure your border, protect american jobs and that is so important to the people who have seen their household income fall from 57 to $53,000. we have 43 million people on food stamps under barack obama, 94 million are underemployed under barack obama this is something that was researched yesterday evening and the reason for the food stamps and all that is in large part because of the great recession. it has nothing it has very little, if anything, to do with immigrants or illegal immigrants. he s had seven years with his hands on the steering wheel. we ve had an anemic recovery yes, but if you re looking at the numbers i was addressing that you re specifically talking about aid and food stamps and that. you can t really tack it on to illegal immigration. no, don, because what donald trump is talking about is protecting american jobs and american workers from their jobs going to illegal immigrants. meanwhile, donald trump is making his clothes made overseas. i ve got to get off the rail here. it s always an interesting conversation when you guys come in. thank you, alice, thank you congressman. thanks to you, too. is it a force of nature? or a sales event? the summer of audi sales event is here. get up to a $5,000 bonus on select audi models. i m going to make this as simple as possible for you. you can go ahead and stick with that complicated credit card that limits where you earn bonus cash back. or. you can get the quicksilver card from 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month. they re trying to put a question mark around donald trump. i think it s also the context you have to really look at this is they ve decided they are not going to make this about hillary clinton. they know people don t like her. i m sure that they ve tested this and found there s very few messages that will move anything positively towards her so they decide they re going to make this a referendum on donald trump. base cl basically what they re saying is if you don t like me, i m less likely to accidentally blow up the world than donald trump is. trump s ad also has a grim outlook. in hillary clinton s america, the system stays rigged, illegal immigrants convicted of committing crimes get to stay, collecting social security benefits skipping the line, our border open, it s more of the same before worse. donald trump s america is secure, terrorists and dangerous criminals kept out. john, you say you wish trump s ad actually featured donald trump? yeah. i think my problem with that ad and my guess is that that ad was conceived before kellyanne was in charge. it really plays to the base. it really plays to people already voting for trump. i think they have to make this transition to make it where people want to vote for him. i d rather see him as the messenger in their ad and rather have it something more visionary and hopeful than negative and critical. i was saying to margaret, it seems a little old school, seems a little mitt romneyesque from another era. the thing that s so extraordinary and disheartening is that both candidates are running as a referendum on the inadequacies of the others. there isn t anything inspirational or hopeful. john your wish is my wish and all of our aspirations in po politics but we re never going to get there this time sadly. the worst part is donald trump has sewed the seeds thof this rigged system. it sets up the reality that if hillary clinton were to win the election is day one she s seen as an inadequate president. he gets to go off on vacation and leave us with the civic fabric of our country more frayed and less cohesive. it s a very self-interested and unpatriotic message to leave the american people with. bob beckel, what do you say to that? this may be the first election where the majority of the people go to the polls to vote against someone. on her ad and using his voice, i think it s perfectly fine. it ought to be done and it ought to be done more. look, trump s said these things, he stepped in it himself and the problem i ve got with his ad is it s so dark. i agree with john. it seems to me that trump s got a real problem. if he doesn t know it, at least kellyanne or someone must know it that people don t trust him, they think he s a shyster. that ad reminded me of willie horton back in the 88 campaign. that one happened to work but this one i don t think is going to work. i think that was my initial response, that it just seemed old school. it may be very effective but it seemed old school. hillary clinton is flooding the airwaves with campaign ads, appeared on jimmy kimmel last night, but she only has one campaign event scheduled this week. and then we have donald trump, who made a small advertising buy but has four big rallies this week. margaret, what s your take on the two different strategies here? donald trump doesn t have the resources that hillary clinton has. he had one month where he said oh, we caught up. he far lags behind mitt romney in 2012 and his numbers aren t there. he s compensating with earned media. he s been in ohio day after day after day having huge rallies. this is a campaign that has spent more on renting stadiums in key target states than they have on field staff in any states. it s an earned media strategy and it s gotten him to date $3 billion in free ads. does it matter at this point that he s behind in the polls but not that much. some polls he s catching up. does that even party the traditional way that march get is talking about? i possibly have made more political ads than anybody on the planet. i ve been doing this for a long time. and the secret is presidential ads matter less than probably any other race because they get so much free media. with that said, i care a lot about messaging and i do think trump needs to transition to being more hopeful about what his america is going to look like and how everybody s going to share in that and what s in that for them. we got to get away from him being the one who is doing the prosecution of hillary clinton. let other people do that and let him start being a little bit hopeful and people start feeling like they re going to be proud to be americans more than they are today. is his message too dark? is hillary clinton not on the campaign trail enough? we ll discuss after this. hours. calling all nine-to-fivers and night owls. with uber - a little drive goes a long way. start earning this week. go to uber.com/drivenow with this level of engineering. it s a performance 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discrediting hillary clinton s health. before we get to the health thing, i want to know, bob, we talked about being out on the campaign trail, not being out on the campaign trail, is the clinton campaign making a tactical error on a week where republicans are out in full force hitting hard on her foundation and e-mails in an evident to get trump s poll numbers up? no. for a couple reasons. she has got such a substantial lead in the states they took their ads down in virginia. and colorado as well. and colorado as well. now, the other thing keep in mind is she was on the olympics with advertising, 50% positive, 50% negative and a lot of it. trump not one single thing. right now for hillary clinton, donald trump is the one who has to get back into this race, it not hillary clinton. frankly, if i were hillary clinton, i d keep her off the trail as much as i could. except for that bogus los angeles times poll, every other one is consistent that she has a 5 to 5.5 point lead over him and it doesn t seem to change. in ohio it s getting bigger and north carolina, michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin. at the rate it s going, he s got to do something dramatic and maybe that will happen in the debate or he s going to get crushed. i mean crushed. john, do you think he s going to get crushed unless he does something dramatic? no. i think some of these polls are actually closer. i think, first of all, there is a closet vote for trump where people aren t going to tell a pollster they re for him oh, john, you are don t believe that. i don t think margaret believes it either. in pennsylvania in the primary, he won all 67 counties. nobody expected that because pennsylvania is not the most homogenous states in the world. he has to win every state that romney di, which is very doable and then if he can win ohio, pam and florida, he becomes president of the united states. ohio, pennsylvania and florida. john, john, please, that s the yellow brick road, buddy. all i know is hillary is going to be seen as the incumbent, which means she s going to get very few undecided votes. donald trump we all agree had a few bad weeks a few? and she really didn t increase her numbers all that much. the national polls have come down and shrunk in the last five days i want margaret to get in. you re both sophisticated to know it s not the national polls that matter. it s the stay-by-state polls. look at the fundamentals in ohio, north carolina, and florida and they are pennsylvania is not looking good. in florida and north carolina when you look at the independent registration, not just the voter registration for republicans and democrats which seems to suggest a silver lining for republicans by independent registration which far dwarves independent registrations, they both feel negatively but they feel worse about 75,000 let her finish her statement. it s not enough to count for the 9% deficit there. donald trump absolutely believes his ability to use twitter and talk directly to 10 million people and then have the subsequent sort of ripple effect of earned media he gets from it is also going to help him, that s why he doesn t need to pay as much for ads. he believes this is his ronald reagan approach, talk directly to the american people, but what s shocking, too, is the level of precision that one can have with social media, he is not taking advantage of. point of having a sophisticated campaign operation is to target independent voters, go directly to where they are. he is still to your point earlier, john, running a primary campaign in a general election. they do have to expand it. there s a guy who beat 16 incredibly credible candidates in the primary by changing the rules. i think they are walking a tight line now with this paradox of when he plays to sort of the reagan democrats and some of the red meat they re looking for, it isn t always consistent with what some of the more moderate republicans are looking for, i think he has to marriage those messages better and i think there s still an opportunity to do that. if anybody wants to write off donald trump at this point, i think it s ridiculous. bob, i have breaking news. i m sorry. we ll have to continue this discussion at another time. we ll come back and update our breaking news out of italy, the earthquake there 6.2 in magnitude. we ll be right back. we have more now on our breaking news out of italy tonight to share with you. a strong earthquake striking central italy at 3:37 a.m. local time. 6.2 magnitude quake hitting norcia county followed by 5.5 aftershock. in one town it was so badly damaged that people are trapped under the rubble according to the mayor who says half of the town is gone. we ll update you as we get back to this. now back to politics and specifically the claims about hillary clinton s health which seem to have struck her funny bone recently. cnn s jeanne moos die secssects outlandish claim. let me take my pulse while i m talking to you. make sure i m alive. jimmy kimmel put hillary to the test. can you open this jar of pickles? this has not been tampered with. oh, oh! reporter: pickle jar aside, some jokes are more jarring. donald trump has been saying that hillary clinton looks unwell. trump admitted that he admits any woman over 35 looks like she is dying. reporter: some of the funniest comments about hillary s health aren t jokes. they re actual theories. for instance the time hillary acted startled by reporter s questions. it almost seems seizuresque to me. we have seaizures, psychotic facial ticks. putting it to music. even. even if the reporter said she wasn t and hillary wasn t having a seizure. doctors weren t buying in. i can t say that is a seizure. reporter: then there was pillow-gate. pillows propping up hillary and the anti-seizure injector pen, the secret service agent is clutching something. is it an emergency seizure string? it seems to be a flashlight. watch the agent point it at the floor as hillary moves to a darker area. next thing you know, they ll be saying she is growing a tail. wait. a few have already said this is evidence she is possessed by the devil. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. that is it for us. thank you so much for watching. i ll see you right back here tomorrow. of a trip to athens, greece. you accidentally booked a flight to athens, georgia. with travelocity, there s no fee to cancel or rebook most flights within 24 hours. travelocity® wander wisely™ schwarzkopf presents color ultîme. a model needs vibrant hair color to light up the runway. its color blend formula locks pigment in for brilliant, vibrant colors. discover runway colors that last. color ultîme, developed with claudia schiffer. from schwarzkopf. [ clock titime. ] you only have so much. that s why we want to make sure you won t have to wait on hold. and you won t have to guess when we ll turn up. because after all we should fit into your life. not the other way around. good evening. thanks for joining us tonight. would donald trump keep backing away trt immigration hard line he rode all of the way to the republican nomination? is he backing away? he ll be speaking shortly tonight in austin, texas. we ll listen to that, and just this afternoon talking about the millions living here illegally he mapped out what could sound like president obama s current deportation policy. a lot of democrats are certainly saying that. we ll see if he does it again tonight and how hard-line supporters will react to how he himself will be softening tonight and we ll ask kellyanne conway about whether this constitutes a real change, fine-tuning or a flip-flop because we ve heard it called all three. later, with trump and his surrogates fueling conspiracy theories about hillary clinton s health and we ll take a closer look at what we know about her health and donald trump s fitness. also, we have breaking news, the bruising headline for candidate clinton, more than 50% of the private individuals who met with her when she ran the state department were clinton foundation donors.
mike with more on that, mike. mike: john, with recent polls showing close race in ohio and florida, that makes north carolina critical. hillary clinton will campaign here in the tar heel state for the second time in a week. speaking of polls, take a look at the brand new new york times cbs news survey of likely voters. when third-party candidates gary johnson and jill stein are factored in, hillary clinton and donald trump are tied at 42% support. that set it is stage for clinton to return to the campaign trail today. the last time we saw her was sunday leaving her daughter s apartment after feeling ill at the 9/11 remember reins. since then former secretary of state colin powell, he would rather not vote for clinton calling her a 70-year-old person greedy. clinton gave powell a pass. i have a great deal for respect for colin powell and i have a lot of sympathy for anyone s whose emails become public. i m not going to discuss someone else s private emails. i have spent a lot of time talking about my own as you know. senior campaign aides are expected to keep close tabs on hillary clinton just coming back with the first critical presidential debate now 11 days away, they do not want to risk a health setback. john. john: mike emmanuel in north carolina. mike, thank you. jenna: we were just talking about north carolina, let s dig in some of the latest polls as well. first new york times cbs news poll showing hillary clinton at 46% to donald trump s 44%. according to a new cnn orc46 to 44%. all the candidates are asked about. as my next guest writes in latest crystal ball article, quote, trump has unquestionably made progress but he s yet to definitively take a lead in any state that voted for obama outside of indiana. he has a lot of work to do. let s talk about all of this with director of senate for politics at the university of virginia, there you are, larry, good to see you as always. thank you so much. but he s so dramatic person on the scene. he s the person that attracts the cameras, he s the person people talk about more than anyone else and he s defining fining who you re foreign against i think even more than hillary clinton though, there s some of that with her. i want to expreases that she s had the worst week of campaign and set her back in more ways than one. she lost a lot of this ground in ohio and florida and even nationally during the past week. i guess it was a combination of the deplorables comment combine with the health scare, the fact that they weren t honest about it. so she s got a lot of work to do and if she s going to maintain her lead in a lot of these battleground states, the key swing states, she s going to have to come roaring back as of today and also do very well in that first debate. she can t wilt. jenna: one of the things that you talk about the hillary clinton campaign, she faces unprecedented jury charges despite what happened over the last week, she s not only the first candidate that s running for the third term the candidate of the president that s serving, but she s also in the way running for a third term of her husband s presidency as well. explain to us why you see this as a challenge. controversies build up over the course of a two-term presidency. any two-term presidency makes enemieses, mistakes, people are angry about this and angry about that. yes, it s been a long time since the bill clinton presidency but we have certain fixed memories about the presidency and there were some controversies. jenna: vaguely all coming back. [laughter] exactly. you remember some of them. she was connected to all of them one way or another. what i m saying here, she is the first person in american history to bare the weight of two, two term presidencies and, you know, there are advantages of having two presidents campaign for you but there are some clear disadvantages. jenna: now, trump also has his own challenges, set of challenges as well. one of the things you write about as you take a look at the polling, she s having trouble winning a group that s normally quite republican, that s how you describe. the college educated whites. what i m curious, larry f that group stays undecided over the next weeks but ultimately goes to their voting sides and votes according to how they voted in the past, so they feel undecided and they get there, i m going to check the box of the party i usually vote for, who will win that vote? well, trump will obviously been because it s been republican in all modern elections. either we have exit poll that is show that or preexit polls. it s highly unusual not to have the white, college educated population for the republican. actually hillary clinton is leading substantially among college educated whites. now, where does trump make that up? he has an enormous margin on noncollege educated white workers, blue collar workers. you can t please everybody. you re not going to get every vote but we will see how that changes after the first debate or the series of debates. jenna: one of the reason that is we are taking a look at the polls and battleground states and not only shift in numbers, hillary clinton lost ground, donald trump has gained some ground and his vice president, vice presidential candidate, governor pence was on with fox and friends this morning and they were asking him about what s working for the campaign. here is his response. i don t think really anything has changed. as donald said on your program this morning, the message has remained the same, make america great again. jenna: has nothing changed, larry? no, what has changed is hillary clinton has had problems. her problems have cut some of her support. she s been off the trail, i ve already mention it had recent controversies and, you know, she had tremendous advantages starting out in solid leads in almost all of the swing states. jenna: you don t attribute some of the changing in poll numbers that we are see to go anything that donald trump is doing, changing strategy and talking about policy and different appearance, do you really think it s all based on hillary clinton? i think a great deal of it is. some of what the team has had trump to do, to teleprompter, taking the iphone so he won t tweet in the middle of the night. obviously they have made good decisions. jenna: i wish my phone in the middle of the night because that s when i do the online shopping. [laughter] jenna: just a final thought, i thought it was sort of interesting, i thought it was interesting as we take a look at the polling in battleground states, one of the things you mention you do question the ability of public pollster to get accurate read on true voting intentions of state sizable hispanic population. i thought that was interesting, larry. why is that a challenge and how do you think that may impact the snapshot we are getting from some states? excellent question, jenna, the reason is because northeast national polls do not have a large enough sample to break out the hispanic vote separately which is going to be about 10% of the national total and give you accurate numbers, they can give you ballpark numbers but not accurate numbers. if you want to know the latino vote, go to latinodecisionspolling, they have enormous samples. 3500 in their latest and they really are able to break down the hispanic vote in a way that you can see what the differences are from state to state. jenna: that s really interesting and something to keep in mind as we get closer and closer. larry, great to see you. thanks, jenna. enjoyed it as always. john: her doctor and her daughter both weighing in on her health and what chelsea says might surprise you this as clinton rival donald trump also releases some new information about his health. how big a role will all of this play in the race for the white house? we will go in-depth. and deadly violence skyrocketing in chicago with alarming crime statistics there. what s mind the increase and what can be done to revarious it? also we want to hear from you, are you satisfied with the answers we ve gotten from both presidential candidates regarding their health? our live chat is up and running go to foxnews.com/happening now to join the conversation. experience the thrill of the lexus is f sport. because the ultimate expression of power, is control. this is the pursuit of perfection. for four years. you named it brad. you loved brad. and then you totaled him. you two had been through everything together. two boyfriends, three jobs. you re like nothing can replace brad. then liberty mutual calls. and you break into your happy dance. if you sign up for better car replacement™, we ll pay for a car that s a model year newer with 15,000 fewer miles than your old one. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. at safelite, we know how busy life can be. these kids were headed to their first dance recital. .when their windshield got cracked. .but they couldn t miss the show. so dad went to the new safelite-dot-com. and in just a few clicks, he scheduled a replacement. .before the girls even took the stage. safelite-dot-com is the fast, easy way to schedule service anywhere in america! so you don t have to miss a thing. y all did wonderful! that s another safelite advantage. (girls sing) safelite repair, safelite replace. john: america s election headquarters focusing on the health of presidential nominees as both release new details. the trump campaign making public a letter from his doctor after he revealed results from physical on the dr. oz program. he also talked about his age. if elected at age 70, you will be the oldest person to ever enter the ofl office, what do you think you have the stamma for stamina? just about ronald reagan s age. i feel as good today as i did when i was 30. john: while hillary clinton s doctor discuss it had nominee with mild case of no, pneumonia, he didn t address where mrs. clinton was collapsing as she tried to get in the van there but her daughter still sea did seeing her mother that day, quote, i don t think i ve ever seen her so tired and she was tired. she has pneumonia and that s miserable. joining us now aliana johnson, caitlin burns, national political reporter for real clear politics. all of a sudden we are talking a lot about the candidates health, both of them. it sounds like mrs. clinton suffered the most on that score over the last week. ting issue raised was the issue of transparency, of course, we know that clinton did not discloses that she had pneumonia and that in and of itself was the big issue. as you mentioned at the top, these are two candidates who could be donald trump would be the oldest candidate presidential nominee. hillary clinton is not too far behind. so questions about health are specially relevant this cycle and neither have been really as forthcoming as previous candidates on the issue of health. you can argue that clinton has released more information about her health than donald trump has but the larger issue is what s playing here. john: you know, there had always been whispers some of them of trump himself about clinton s medical situation and then all of a sudden, after the 9/11 ceremonies when she has to escape and disappears from the side of the press for a few hours, really, it fed into a sort of a narrative. i think that s exactly right, john. donald trump had been making suggestive comments about her lack of stamina and her health and it was like a stop clock. he was actually right about this and she really did have a serious medical condition and not only that, but she was not transparent about it and so it was something that really boosted donald trump and what we have seen in the fallout is trump rise in the polls, hillary clinton s fall, beyond that, the reason that we are talking about health is that these two candidates trump and clinton are not exactly the picture of, you know, vigorous fit candidates, you know, compare today barack obama and mitt romney in 2012. they are both old and a little bit chubby and not what we are used to seeing in the campaign trail for president. john: yeah, the showmanship that has been brought, trump said that he wasn t going release medical records and then all of a sudden reaches into his pocket and shares this with dr. oz. is that all part of the theater? it s a completely trumpian way of doing things, right, the idea that he has not released information until this point and did it on the dr. oz show completely unconventional, donald trump, of course, is an unconventional candidate. clinton campaign, i think, is using that moment to to make some strides of their own, right, saying that he s not taking the health issue seriously. i think that they can use this week back on the trail to show signs, if they can, of her improvement getting over the pneumonia and hitting the trail again. of course, we are two weeks out from the big debate which will be a pivot point. john: given the history, secret nature of what happened to her, voters are left wander to go some extent. they really are. you saw donald trump get up last night and had been extremely sensitive and polite and wished her the best and he got up last night, this is really hard to do, takes a lot of energy, do you think she can stand up for an hour in that debate stage, i don t know, i don t know. can hillary clinton hack it for 90 minutes on that debate stage and that s what people are wondering and what we are going to see. we won t know until a couple of weeks. john: image this they will have the room well air-conditioned that night. thank you both. jenna: crime rate soars in chicago and city officials grasp for solutions. my next guest is there s a disconnect with politics and reality. plus batman met superman in a movie out earlier this year and a tv that does the same thing, kind of resembling the bat mobile but it can fly. wait till you see this buggy take off. 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the murders now are over 500, the murders don t tell you the whole story because of advances in medicine, you know, the emergency medical technicians, paramedics and so forth, the emergency rooms, the trauma centers, all of this all this keep people alive. we ve had 3,000 shootings already. 3,000. jenna: i was keeping up andradeing a great com that you wrote about 9/11, you mentioned the nearly 3,000 american that is were killed that day but when i look at your com about chicago, nearly 3,000 people in chicago have been shot just since the beginning of this year. it s shocking statistic. it s terrible and the politics are all wrong, you know. president obama doesn t want to highlight this, hillary clinton doesn t want to highlight this. i heard through your piece that there are some buzz about donald trump coming in, but really there s a disconnect locally you the politics here. you have a mayor who is wounded, politically, weakened by the mcdonald situation, remember that with the young man shot 16 times by the white cop, you have all sorts of things going on where the cops don t now they won t make street stops. street stops are down 80%. jenna: some are calling the ferguson effect. yes. jenna: are quite frankly nervous, anxious about making some of the stop that is they normally would have and second-guessing themselves because they re worried about winding on video and making an error and stops them from doing the most active police work. others saying that stopping cops from doing other things that they shouldn t, how do you see it, john? i think if you re in the communities, you want police officers protecting your life from thugs that are shooting. there s really about 1500 or so repeat offenders who were in the chicago in these five districts that do much of the shooting, at least from the police algary, the we have people being shot down not only gang bangers as we call them, but also 9-year-old babies being brought into an alley assassinated. 9-year-olds. jenna: competing members of gangs. it gives me goosebumps thinking about it. he s not the only one. there s been other little children targeted. jenna: here is the frustration, john, the media, there s a big story we all sort of hover around it and back off when the light goes out and gets dark in the neighborhood. so it makes me wonder what role the outside has for your city? is there a role of the outside world of chicago or is it really something a solution that has to happen internally? i think what has to happen is people have to call things what it is. it s not gun violence, we keep calling it gun violence, there are many guns in the suburbs, people aren t killing each other. what we are talking about is gang violence, gang violence, the large ones into smaller clicks that are murderers and that has to be dealt with. people have to talk of the root causes. from the left, jobs and from the right i could tell you family and the welfare state, but all these things combined and the fact is that the politics of this country don t want to look at chicago in the light because, i think, president obama is from chicago, people don t want to put him on the spot and at the same time people are dying. jenna: just real quick before i let you go, i have to ask you this but also as a dad, you have some perspective on the city that a lot of us don t have, at this point, is it xarr comparable or is it a completely different moment? we have had times of more homicides, 940 homicides in a year, but what we have this time is a political weakening, a political weakening in which the mayor is trying to rehabilitate himself, rehabilitate his image with african-american voters, is trying as hard as he can but at the same time, you know, the politics are shaky. so that adds and the police are now afraid so i ve never seen that before in chicago. jenna: something we want to continue to watch, john, and we appreciate the point of your column and i appreciate you having on the program, we look forward having you back. thanks, so much, jenna. john john your tax dollars funded comprehensive study of how many illegal feds actually catch crossing the border but never saw the light of day. now charges the white house was the reason, fox news exclusive. a wild new atv with a new twist. i got behind the wheel. check it out. it takes incredible amount of work and patience, coming up, we will introduce you to one of the newest aircraft out there. this is the sky runner and, yes, it flies. 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[laughter] john: but maybe first a test flight. cruising speed is around 40 miles an hour so yes, there are faster aircraft out there but you can t drive them on a beach or a field. really cool. [music] john: you have to admit, it doesn t look like it should fly, does it? jenna: how is it inside? john: it s really fun. you have head sets on and you can talk to one another it s kind of low and slow flight which a lot of pilots really liked. jenna: it look today me because you fly a plane. john: right. jenna: a driver get tong motorcycle for the first time because there s no doors. did you feel vulnerable at all that you could fall out? [laughter] john: i m used to having wings when i flew and this thing obviously not. when you look up ahead there s the big canopy over you. bad weather and low clouds, obviously. anyone there s a clearing, you can take off in that thing. it s pretty neat. [laughter] jenna: down broadway and manhattan. this would be a story we would have to cover. john: you might see one up here soon. jenna: very cool. john: lot of fun. jenna: congratulations to him, what a great inventor. john: it s getting a lot of attention. jenna: i m sure even know now. we will be sure to post the story so you guys can watch it again. one of the things we are going to be looking at here is border security and a fox news exclusive with charges at the white house oh report paid for by you which contradicted obama s claims that it catches 80% of illegal immigrant crossing the border. it never saw the light of day. we are following the story live with more. william. jenna, eight analysts spent a year on the report answering the biggest mystery of the border. not many illegal immigrant we catch, but how many we don t, who evade the border patrol and enter the u.s. each year, when you ask the administration, they will point to the dhs report and this number, 81%. that s the percent of known illegals apprehended and turned back to the border. sounds effective but the new report say it is probability of getting caught is actually 51%, not 81. meaning we catch just half of the immigrant trying to enter illegally, the other half 200,000 roughly get in. dhs is suppressing this report for, quote, political reasons because it would look bad and help elect donald trump. dhs tells us that is absolutely false, that the 51% number is preliminary and some in congress are skeptical. the administration is being honest with the american people about what the threat is, how successful they are being, what the effectiveness rate really is and what we can do about it. now, when the report was done in may, the research team had to clear it with the white house domestic policy council. we were told it was an explosive meeting and the report died. dhs confirm it had meeting that say it is report will be released although they won t say when but encouraging since 2005, illegal entries are down 95% which means all the money in the border security and technology is actually working. the results is you have many fewer people trying and you have a higher percentage getting caught and enforcement has been a big part of the reason that we haven t seen another surge in illegal migration. it s good news. get this, 2005, the researcher estimate, 4 million illegal successfully enter the u.s. illegally. now the good news again that s down to 200,000 but still 50% and that s a number that not everyone wants to advertise. back to you. jenna: very interesting, william. thank you. john: donald trump takes his minority outreach to flint, michigan and gets a lukewarm welcome. why the republican nominee was scolded by a local minister next. also the commissioner of the irs john koskinen make keep job after all. details ahead. why do we put so much effort into engineering the can-am defender? because a job worth doing is worth doing right. can-am defender. tough. capable. clever. get a 3-year brp limited warranty plus a $1,500 rebate. hii m here to tell homeowners that are sixty-two and older about a great way to live a better retirement. it s called a reverse mortgage. call right now to receive your free dvd and booklet with no obligation. it answers questions like. how a reverse mortgage works, how much you qualify for, the ways to receive your money. and more. plus, when you call now, you ll get this magnifier with led light absolutely free! when you call the experts at one reverse mortgage today, you ll learn the benefits of a government-insured reverse mortgage. it will eliminate your monthly mortgage payments and give you tax-free cash from the equity in your home and here s the best part. you still own your home. take control of your retirement today! john: donald trump making a second trip to michigan as part of his campaign s minority outreach effort in a pretaped church interview with bishop wayne jackson in detroit that aired last night and a visit in a church in flint, michigan, where he got a slap on the wrist from the pastor. hillary failed on the economy just like she s failed on foreign policy, everything she touched didn t would recollect out, nothing. now hillary clinton mr. trump, i invited here to thank oh, okay. not give a political speech. that s good. i m going to go back. [applause] a lot of things happening but i think the president of the united states has to be a cheerleader for the country and you have to bring the black and the white and the everything. you have to bring everybody together, different income groups, this tremendous division right now. john: let s get reaction from political panel, david webb, host of the webb show, rick, a democratic strategist forbes.com senior political contributor and cohost on serious xm. gentlemen, it s been a while. here we go again. john: david, would you call, i don t know, from a political standpoint, is that an epic fail when you get smacked down by the minister in. not really, i mean, who invites a presidential candidate to a position or to a church or to an event and doesn t expect some politics. he was there in flint to do outreach, he was going to make points. you flip it around hillary clinton in salma, she does the same thing. so no surprise, come on, folks. you have to look at it in terms of what was going on. they did not want him in flint, the major did not want him in i m sure the pastor did not the major said she wasn t notified. they didn t want him. that s just the way it is. he s late to the party. i mean, he wasn t there when hillary was there months ago when the water crisis was at its peak, of course, they had an understanding, don t talk politics, come and thank us for the good work, he didn t keep the deal. the worst part is he backed down and then he comes back and slams her. hillary went early and what did she do and what has been done? he s not in a position to do something, is she? she don t hold elected office. john: they don t want him at the new york economic council where he is speaking now. let s listen in. [laughter] but today i do want to outline a plan for american economic revival and it s a bold and ambitious and-forward looking plan to massive increase jobs, wages, income and opportunities for the people of our country. great people of our country. i will tell you. my plan will embrace the truth that people flourish under a minimum government burden and will tap into the incredible unrealized potential of our workers and their dreams. right now 92 million americans are on theside line outside of the workforce and they re not a part of our economy. it s a silent nation of jobless americans and look no further and i mean no further, all you have to do is look at flint where i spent a lot of time, the city of flint and what a disaster has taken place. the jobs have been stripped from the community and its infrastructure has totally collapsed. in 1970 there were more than 80,000 people in flint working for general motors, today it s less than $8,000. we have 8,000 people. and that s going down and they re making very, very little and people are trying to go down to make that 8,000-dollar mark. what we are doing is ford, ford has announced just yesterday that they are moving their small-car production facilities to méxico. and i have been talking to this a long while and that s maybe one of the reasons that we are doing so well in ohio and michigan and lots of other places where cars and parts are involved. but to think that ford is moving its small car division is a disgrace. disgraceful that our politicians allow them to get away with it. [applause] it used to be cars were made in flint and you couldn t drink the water in méxico. now cars are made in méxico and you can t drink the water in flint. [applause] but we are going to turn this around. my economic plan rejects the cynicism that says our labor force will keep declining, that our jobs will keep leaving and that our economy can never grow as it did once before and boy, oh, boy, did it used to grow. we reject the pessimism that says our standard of live can go no longer rise and that all there is really left to divide because frankly we are looking at an economy now of no growth and redistribution of wealth and that s not going to work. everything that is broken today can be fixed and every failure can be turned into a truly great success. just look at the way i just melded into the teleprompter that just went off. who else could have pulled that off? who else? [applause] jobs can stop leaving our country and they will absolutely start pouring in. failing schools can been flourishing schools. crumbling roads and bridges can become new infrastructure. inner cities can experience flood of new jobs and investment and rising crime can give way to safe and prosperous communities. all of these things and so much more are possible, but to accomplish them we must replace the present policy of globalism, which have taken so many jobs out of our communities and so much wealth out of our country and we place it with a new policy of americanism. [applause] america first, remember that. [applause] under this american system, every policy decision we make must pass a simple test, does it create more jobs an better wages for americans, it s a test. if we lower our taxes, remove destructive regulations and we have to do that, unleash the vast treasure of american energy and negotiate trade deals that put america first, then there is no limit to the number of jobs we can create and the amount of prosperity we can unleash, america will truly be the greatest place in the world to invest, hire, grow and to create new jobs, new technologies and entire new industries. instead thank you. [applause] instead of driving jobs that walked away, america will become the greatest magnet for innovation and job creation. my opponent s plan rejects this optimism. she offers only more taxing and her tax increases are unbelievable, more regulating, more spending and more wealth redistribution. a future of slow growth, declining incomes and dwindling prosperity. the only people who get rich under hillary clinton are the donors of the special interests, but bad for our country in hillary clinton s america we have vunderred our status as the world s great economy and we have surrendered the middle class. not one single idea she s got will create one net american job or create one new dollar of american wealth for our workers. the only thing shea can offer is a welfare check. that s about it. our plan will create paychecks and millions of paychecks for people now unemployed or underemployed. in the course of this campaign i have traveled all across the country and i have met the most amazing people. every day i ve seen the goodness and character of our country and brave citizens proudly fighting through hard times and difficult circumstances. i have been all over this country, folks, and we have unbelievable people but they need leadership, a country needs leadership. in many parts of our country, the hard times never seem to end. i visited cities and towns in up state new york where half of the jobs have left and moved to méxico and other countries, the businesses are gone, they ve been taken away like taking candy from a baby. politicians have abandoned these places all over the country and the people who live there are just there. no hope. my opponent described tens of millions of american citizens as deplorable and irredeemable just last week. so how can hillary clinton seek to lead this country when she considers its citizens tremendous, tremendous numbers of them beyond redemption? the hard-working people she calls deplorable are the most admirable people i know. there are cops [applause] they are cops and soldiers, teachers and firefighters, young and old, moms and dads, blacks and whites, latinos, above all everything else, they re americans, some are rich americans, some are poor americans, they re americans. they love their families, they love their country and they want a better future. these are the forgotten men and women of our country and they have been forgotten. people who work hard but don t have a voice. i m running to be their voice. [applause] and to fight and bring prosperity to every part of this country. too many of our leaders have forgotten that it s their duty to protect the jobs, wages and well-being of american workers before any consideration, before anything, we have to do that. i m not running to be the president of the world, i m running to be the president of the united states of america. [applause] and as your president, i will fight for every last american job and every american company which really allot of companies in this room, i can tell you, we are going to be fighting for you. [applause] you re bringing in the jobs, we are a nation that tame the west, dug out the panamá canal and won two world wars and put a man on the moon. it s time to start thinking big once again. that s why i believe it s time to establish a national goal of reaching 4% economic growth. [applause] and my great economist don t want me to say this but i think we can better than that. now they re upset. they ll be very upset but i think we can do and maybe substantially better than that. in working with my economic team we put together a plan that puts us on track to achieve that goal