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on borisjohnson to lift regulations, to lift rules, to let freedom flourish? no. i mean, i think, first of all, what michael gove said really is a statement of the obvious. and there might be a backlash with a small proportion of the — well, maybe a biggish proportion of the tory parliamentary party, but not elsewhere in the house of commons. so there are two separate issues — the politics of it within the conservative party, and what needs to be done to vaccinate younger people who are reluctant. and what needs to be done — and here, even the libertarianish boris johnson seems to be in agreement — is they need to get those vaccinations. now, here the government is sort of doing it by saying, "if you don't, you might have to show a vaccine passport in nightclubs and so on". there needs to be more of that, clearly, as we are seeing elsewhere in france and other places — the united states with talk of $100 to get vaccinated — to make sure we don't get an epidemic of the unvaccinated. so it seems to me he was making
separate issues. the politics of it within the conservative party, and what needs to be done to vaccinate younger people who are reluctant. and what needs to be done — and here, even the libertarianish boris johnson seems to be in agreement — is they need to get those vaccinations. now, here the government is sort of doing it by saying, "if you don't, you might have to show a vaccine passport in nightclubs and so on". there needs to be more of that, clearly — as we are seeing elsewhere in france and other places, the united states with talk of $100 to get vaccinated — to make sure we don't get an epidemic of the unvaccinated. so it seems to me he was making an absolutely straightforward observation. the question is now whether further measures are needed, irrespective of the mood of a percentage of the conservative parliamentary party. mina, i suppose one argument
of vaccinated people. steve, michael gove, who's one of the british cabinet ministers, said this week people who aren't vaccinated are selfish. is there a danger that this desire to push people towards vaccination could actually ultimately be counterproductive? not least in the politics — in the uk case — of the conservative party, where there's big pressure on borisjohnson to lift regulations, to lift rules, to let freedom flourish? no. i mean, i think, first of all, what michael gove said really is a statement of the obvious. and there might be a backlash with a small proportion of the — well, maybe a biggish proportion of the tory parliamentary party, but not elsewhere in the house of commons. so there are two separate issues — the politics of it within the conservative party, and what needs to be done to vaccinate younger people who are reluctant. and what needs to be done — and here, even the libertarianish boris johnson seems to be
congressman justin amash. let's listen. >> you suggested that the president sometimes communicates his wishes indirectly. for example, you said, quote, mr. trump did not directly tell me to lie to congress. that's not how he operates, end quote. can you explain how he does this? it's your impression that others who work for him understand the code as well. what is the truth that you know president trump fears most? >> interesting, because out of the 17 republicans today, it seemed like he was the only one who actually expressed some concern about the president's actions. >> he is kind of an outlier congressman, though, to a certain extent. he is somewhat libertarianish. he is very principled and he is not a trump supporter either. he comes from a district that's kind of half and half. half democratic, half republican. but that's an important point just i think to say about the other congress people that none of the republicans seem
what is the truth that you know that president trump fears most? >> out of the 17 republicans today, it seemed like he was the only one who actually expressed some concern about the president's actions. >> he's kind of an outlier congressman, to a certain extent. he's somewhat libertarianish, somewhat principled, and not a trump supporter, either. he comes from a district that's kind of half and half. half democratic, half republican. so i think -- but that's an important point, just, i think to say about the other congresspeople that none of the republicans seemed particularly interested in anything but discrediting michael cohen. which it kind of works both ways. if you're going to discredit michael cohen as being this absolute retrobate, he was the president's closest confidant and lawyer for ten years. >> he picks the best people.
but because he is rand paul, he also needs to try to keep alive the libertarianish family name and reputation that got him 98% of the way to where he is now, in politics. and so there is this amazing visual today, where he's got his don't forget i'm ron paul's son, presidential campaign slogan, right there on the moment, defeat the washington machine, right? defeat the washington machine. that's his campaign slogan. but he's got that campaign slogan plastered up there in front of what is literally a washington machine. a giant washington machine. the biggest one there is! an aircraft carrier built by washington's defense budget, to defend the government of the united states of america and its people. "defeat the washington machine!" but pay no attention to that one. like that wasn't built with federal tax dollars? that's the -- oh, that's the aircraft carrier that built with bitcoin. oh, i got it!
aircraft carrier. other republicans and conservatives have been attacking him for not being tough enough on defense to be a real presidential candidate, so he's obviously trying to rebuff that characterization visually by standing in front of an aircraft carrier, while he talks about being president. but because he is rand paul he also needs to try to keep alive the libertarianish family name and reputation that got him 98% of the way to where he is now, in politics. and so there is this amazing visual today, where he's got his don't forget i'm ron paul's son, presidential campaign slogan right there on the moment defeat the washington machine, right? defeat the washington machine. that's his campaign slogan. but he's got that campaign slogan plastered up there in front of what is literally a washington machine. a giant washington machine. the biggest one there is! an aircraft carrier built by washington's defense budget, to defend the government of the united states of america and its people. "defeat the washington machine!"
philadelphia to bring a sort of libertarianish message as he likes to say to communities where he thinks it might actually have appeal. this is potentially a pig moment for him to sort of align himself with those that are concerned about this down there. obviously there's a lot of concern about it and to tout his work on criminal justice reform. remember, this is somebody who has worked actively in congress to work on drug sentencing reform, prison reform and this conceivably fits into it. he was also one of the most outspoken republicans in the wake of the ferguson incident last summer. >> also want to ask you here about this new quinnipiac poll showing senator paul leading hillary clinton here in the swing states of colorado and iowa and slightly trailing her in virginia. okay granted, this is still very early on. hillary, yes, she has her headquarter space in brooklyn hasn't announced yet so of course we've got to throw out the grain of salt. we're talking about a dump truck of salt but where is he getting this traction early on? >> this is a state, iowa, especially where he and his
the announcement. >> governor perry and senator lindsey graham. >> in terms of his foreign policy and negotiating with iran. >> are they afraid of him? are they leery about him -- >> he's an isolationist when it comes to some foreign policy. he did ask to increase defense and military spending by 17% last month. >> he's different. he's libertarianish. but he's likable. because the poll that shows favorability is he north of 50% at 52%. the big question s will he be the next president of the united states? larry sab atow was on with sean hannity and made this observation. >> the key thing in this election is not so much who the republican choose or whether it's hillary clinton. it's where the economy is in late spring, early summer of 2016 and whether president obama is up in the upper 40s, low 50s
embraces i think, is a step behind leading from behind. >> kentucky senator rand paul will aannounce he is running for president tomorrow in kentucky. it's not a surprise. what about this launch? we're back with the panel. steve, this is the new thing. you put out the video that you are launching the day before you launch. but we are talking about him. >> right. what about his transformation from perhaps libertarian to more or at least trying to appeal to the g.o.p. base? >> >> libertarianish. the question for rand paul is does this erode his hard core support among libertarians. this is why his father had the following he did. it was sort of the base of rand paul's support. does this shift? i mean, is he clearly trying to at least not be in opposition to most republicans. he proposed $191 billion more in defense spending. evidence has toughened up on iran a little bit. you saw in carl cameron's