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Trump on Trial New York v. Donald Trump

own narrative. the description of him sounds a little different than his public persona. what do you make of his role in this case? >> as i talk about extensively in my book, the key to grinding down trump is to actually be a work horse, not a show horse. the key is to stick to your facts, you evidence, your arguments and keep on working them. out don't necessarily need to be a show horse. i think they're doing a plenty good job getting their message out there in the media about what this indictment is about. i don't think we need to have some other person who is reality show ready, being there to go up against trump. i think what matters is the courtroom, and what matters is convincing those jurors. that's what brag and his team have to do. i don't think there's anything bad here at all about not being showy or being a show horse. out don't need to be a show horse to beat trump.

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Trump on Trial New York v. Donald Trump

that jury room to deliberate, they have heard multiple times the narrative and the facts that support, or prosecutors are going to say is the intent necessary to unlawfully influence the 2016 election. that's the brass ring here. the business records are important, but the brass ring on the felony conviction is that intent. but there's the other thing which is the likability and believability of the prosecutors themselves. the rapport -- when you've got regular folks sitting in that box, sitting there not as lawyers, not as experts, not as folks with an axe to grind, part of what they're assessing is how much do i trust this lawyer? how much do i believe they have integrity? that's why prosecutors will also in their opening statements say, i'm going to tell you about the witnesses. i'm going to tell you about the weaknesses in their own case.

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Morning Joe

and it should remind people, not of his victimhood, but the thomas paine incite, that we don't have a king. in america, the law is king. what we're seeing in the new york courthouse, however tawdry the narrative around it is, the facts of the case, that doesn't matter. what matters the law itself is supreme. it's not just about the appetites and ambitions of one person. >> lisa, there's more coming in other courtrooms pertaining to donald trump. also today, a hearing in former president trump's civil fraud case. remember that? on friday, new york attorney general letitia james asked a judge to void the bond trump secured so he can appeal the decision. james is questioning whether the company that issued the $175

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Outnumbered

witnesses say. who do we hear from? we hear from donald trump. he looked strong. he is out there. he is confident. his opponent is sending in a basement somewhere. metaphorical basement. trump is driving the narrative on this. i should be in north carolina and south carolina, et cetera. i wonder if democrats are having a moment where they are reflecting and wondering if this was the wrong way to go. gavin newsom said when we are focusing on trump, i worry electorally as a slight advantage for and i'm worried the overindulgence about this day today. i think this could backfire. get one disruptor on the jury, that's a tail wind trump politically. speak to what i was thinking about as we have been reporting all day to make kayleigh's point even further, emily said this, too. the cauldron of politics is outside the courtroom. that is the place where biden wants to win back. i don't know if he is really keeping up so much with these

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Trump on Trial New York v. Donald Trump

campaign and all these things, and we haven't gotten to yet what's on the piece of paper? what's on the documents? why does it say legal services? what's interesting is that's not as fascinating for a jury. you have to prove up this whole secondary narrative and then later on we're going to get to those boring documents. i think if you lock the jury into that first story and they believe that donald trump was directing and overseeing this conspiracy to interfere with the election, when you get to those documents, it's a lot easier for a jury see why those documents say what they say. those 34 counts can almost become a box checking exercise if you believe that initial experience about that the election. i think that's why we're seeing it in this order. >> vaughn, a familiar name the prosecution just mentioned, allen weisselberg who is not going to be testifying but is one they just brought up. >> reporter: allen weisselberg was the chief financial officer for the trump organization, and folks will recall literally two weeks ago we were standing at

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Trump on Trial New York v. Donald Trump

the jury, right? so as the prosecution's giving his opening statement, how is he going about saying these are some areas where maybe you would find weakness but still projecting confidence? >> yeah, you know, one way i would do that when i was a prosecutor might be with a troubled witness. so with a michael cohen style witness, you don't run from the fact that michael cohen is michael cohen and you don't run from the fact that he has a shady past. you don't run from the fact that this guy is not a saint. what you do is repackage that. you might tell the jury, you're going to hear from michael cohen, and you're going to hear that he hasn't always been honest. or you might hear something to kind of front that. you frame it as we didn't choose michael cohen. you know who chose michael cohen, the defendant, donald trump. michael cohen is exactly the kind of guy this you hire to do this kind of scheme, and you frame a weakness and try to fit it back into your broader narrative, that's what i would expect the prosecution to do here. >> there's a point here, i'd like to ask vaughn about that.

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BBC News

been _ but actually it should have never been brought because i didn't overestimate. they said they overestimated, if you look at the numbers, — overestimated, if you look at the numbers, they are underestimating. i underestimated, i did the opposite of what _ underestimated, i did the opposite of what they said. and the reason that they— of what they said. and the reason that they tried to and they did it for they— that they tried to and they did it for they are own, they devalued other— for they are own, they devalued other assets in as little... in order— other assets in as little... in order to _ other assets in as little... in order to build their narrative, they wanted _ order to build their narrative, they wanted to— order to build their narrative, they wanted to build a narrative. if you look and — wanted to build a narrative. if you look and i— wanted to build a narrative. if you look and i have a complete record of what happened, judge vandoren had no idea what— what happened, judge vandoren had no idea what was on, didn't understand the most _ idea what was on, didn't understand the most simple concepts, this is why they— the most simple concepts, this is why they are moving out of new york. because _ why they are moving out of new york. because they can't be subjected, they'll— because they can't be subjected, they'll be — because they can't be subjected, they'll be put out of business. they're — they'll be put out of business. they're moving out of new york because — they're moving out of new york because of— they're moving out of new york because of it, butjudge bangor and didn't— because of it, butjudge bangor and didn't have — because of it, butjudge bangor and didn't have any idea what happened, he didn't— didn't have any idea what happened, he didn't realise we put up... judge

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CNN This Morning

solve this at the ballot box. >> it's a salacious trial. it makes for good television on his throat, back to the clinton menstruation that senator lankford throwback. what what is your kind of big picture view of this? >> you look? >> so comfortable talking about this trial i mean, they have to be i think we're we're so endured to thinking that trump stuff just doesn't land. but there are a couple of ways in which it does lead. okay. first, is that spending oodles of cash on this. i think a quarter of the money that he's raising is going to pay for his legal fees. >> and then secondly, it's a cultural event media knows how to talk about illegal trial. >> the public knows how to discuss a legal trial. it provides a narrative framework for talking about all these things about trump oj simpson just passed away. kasie anderson, we going through all of these familiar steps and it provides a way for us to process and to discuss these things about the former president that would be hard for a campaign to talk about in

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CNN This Morning

a way that felt fresh. so i mean, yes, it's not going to matter in the end in a decisive sort of way, but it matters case i thought was interesting. one of those members of congress said it was too late, and it is remarkable to think this conduct happened eight years ago. i mean, i have a son who's first year in college. he was in elementary school when this happened, and that would worry me a bit as a prosecutor because you don't like your jury feeling like something is ancient history. you want to feel like it's immediate and the other thing i wonder in this maybe goes to the political effect is this story is known. and then some, now we could, we will certainly get certain revelations. i'm particularly interested in what hope hicks and kellyanne conway have to say. i mean, i don't know that the overall narrative is going to change that much. i don't know if i mean everyone pretty much understand it's paid hush money well, the prosecution would say to silences women before the election and here we are eight years later. so it's a prosecutorial issue. it's also political issue? yeah. all right. >> we've got to take a quick break. donald trump doesn't says he will testify in his own defense well, it actually

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Verified Live

the stand. thejudge would ask donald trump if he takes the stand. the judge deciding to allow numerous parts of past civil cases, including on defamation, on business fraud. interesting. as we wait to hear those opening arguments, talk to as about why they are so significant, giving a framing for what we can hearfor the giving a framing for what we can hear for the days and weeks ahead. it's exactly that point. it is all about how these sites are able to frame their case to the jury. 0ften frame their case to the jury. often it is done in a very kind of narrative, storytelling way, trying to set the scene for jurors narrative, storytelling way, trying to set the scene forjurors to put them in donald trump was mind. prosecutors will try to build up the kind of point donald trump was in 2016. and that his campaign was in

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