are being treated in dallas any longer. so we re going to have much more on that coming up later in the show. as well as an unrelated story we ve got tonight for you late in the show about bravery. incredible bravery in the great state of alabama. it s a story that you absolutely will not believe. that s coming up at the end of tonight s show. there s a lot to report today. but we re going to begin tonight with some breaking news on washington, d.c. is this is a surprise, out-of-nowhere development. but nbc news has confirmed tonight that vice president biden s son, hunter biden, was kicked out of the navy reserves earlier this year after he tested positive for cocaine. this story was broken late this evening by the wall street journal. vice president biden has two sons. the older son is bo biden, the more well-known. bo biden serves as the attorney general of delaware. he s planning to run for governor of delaware in 2016. bo biden is not the son in this report. it is the vice president s younger son. he is the one who got discharged from the naval reserves after failing a drug test. that son is named hunter biden. he made a somewhat unusual decision to join the military after he turned 40 years old. he was accepted in the naval reserves in 2012. he got his commission in may, 2013. when he. jaime:ed up, hunter biden had to get a special waiver from the navy for two things. the first was his age. he was signing up at an age much later than most people do. the other waiver, aparentally, at least according to the wall street journal, is that he had some sort of drug-related incident as a young man which the navy was aware of and they decided to give him a waiver form. we re told that that type of waiver for a minor drug incident, that s not that uncommon. but now, late tonight, we are learning that hunter biden s very brief military career is over and he is out. and that he left under these very surprising circumstances. we re told tonight that he failed this drug test last year. in mid 2013 during a drill weekend. and he was discharged in february of this year. so this isn t something that just happened. but we are just learning antd it. the timing here does raise a question of why this news is coming out now. this is not something that happened recently. the navy is describing this as a private personnel matter. they say they would never under any circumstances be a case where they d talk about something like this publicly. they say they d never provide public details of any junior officer of circumstances like this. but after the wall street journal s report tonight, hunter biden did put out a statement publicly apologizing, saying how embarrassed he is by this. mr. biden s statement saying it was the honor of my life to serve in the u.s. navy. i deeply regret and am embarrassed that my auctioction to the add min strative discharge. with the love and support of my family, i m moving forward. but, again, this new breaking news is that joe biden s younger son, hunter, hunter biden was kicked out of the military this year after he tested positive for cocaine. this was already a heightened moment for the administration. obviously, with the ebola crisis, with the undeclared war against isis, with the elections less than three weeks away, now, this new bomb shell about the vice president s son has landed late this evening in the wall street journal. joining me now is ms. nelson. congratulations on the scoop. thank you for being here to understand it. thank you for having me. are there any further details that you haven t written up yet for the wall street journal? are we going to learn anything further about why this is public news now? even though it happened months ago? well, i think this is public news now because we heard some a little something about it and decided to pursue a tip and track down this information. but if not for that, i don t think we would probably have ever heard about this. certainly the white house wasn t planning to announce this. as you noted, the navy isn t going to make this information public. so i think that if not for somebody trying to track it down, it probably would have just kind of faded away quietly. and there was some attention when hunter biden joined the navy, there was a little bit of news coverage about the fact that he was joining the navy and it was notable that he was 42 at the time. but there hasn t been a lot of follow up about whatever happened to hunter bidebn being in the navy reserve. obviously, he s spoken with pride about both of his military service. his older son, bo, had much more military service than hunter biden did. has there been any reaction from the violate e vice president s about why this wasn t made public before? the vice president s office has not been willing to comment so far. wu you re right. both of biden s vice president joe biden and his wife jill have talked often about how much pride they have in being a military family. they refer regularly to bo biden s deemploymeployment in i. so it s clear that military service is something that is near and dear to their hearts. and when hunter biden signed up for the navy, jill biden said publicly that she was very excited to stand with her son when he was kmised. and a couple months later, sponsored by the american legion, joked about it and he said you know, we have have a lot of bad judgments in our family. for example, my son hunter just joined the navy over the age of 40 but he s going to be an officer. so they were both very quickly to point out that he had joined the navy in 20 12. in your report tonight in the journal, you say that when hunter biden signed up, he received a waiver because of a drug-related incident when he was a young man. do we know anything else about either that incident or whether that was a serious matter or an unusual thing for the navy to grant a waiver about? we don t know a lot of details about that. it happened a number of years ago. and so there are scarce details. there are skairs records related to it. but we do have confirmation that there was a drug offense that could have precluded him from joining the navy. and so he and so he sauought and received a waiver for that drug offense. the military says it s not that uncommon particularly for one-time, relatively minor offenses. it was some number of years ago, but there was a history of some drug episode in hunter biden s past. colleen nelson, breaking the news tonight that vice president biden s son, hunter was kicked out of the navy reserves earlier this year for testing positive for cocaine. thank you, i really appreciate your time. thank you. again, this story just breaking in the wall street journal tonight. he apashrentally has been out o the military since earlier this year. we did not know that. nor did we know why. we ve got much more ahead on this very busy news day. president obama weighed in on the ebola situation late tonight in extensive remarks. and we re just learning, for the first time tonight, we are about to be hearing drektly from the first nurse to be diagnosed with the disease in the united states. we have new tape that is of that nurse. and we re going to have that for you in just a moment. more on that plus that incredible story of bravery out of the american south tonight. please stay with us. the design of the ford escape is clearly intended to grab your eye. oh, and your foot. ain t that a kick? 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well, at the facility in omaha, they do autoclave all of that stuff. but they also aut clave clothing, towels, linens, they autoclave the trash. everything that comes in contact with the patient they consider possibly contaminated. so they use that process invented in the 18 00s to decontaminate every single thing involved in the patient s care. this is one of a very small number of units like this across the country. these units that have set the standard for excellence in dealing with this highly infectious disease, treating patients well and treating them safely. the omaha unit has only been around for nine years. but they practice for this stuff. they train for this stuff regularly. they ve got the systems in place. but that unit was not built solely for ebola. the most lethal diseases in the world. they ve got ten beds in which they can offer treatment for those diseases. highly specialized care. safe care. they have ten beds to treat everything they are capable of treating. but when it comes to treating patients with ebola, even at this gold standard, state-of-the-art, best-in-the-world facility, it turns out there is some fine print. there is some uncomfortable news about what even they are capable of. it turns out how many patients have access to care at this kind of world class facilitfacility? there s what they call a rate-limiting factor for that. and it has to do with the trash. the autoclaving is a rate-limiting factor, for now. i know that there s a lot of work across the country to try to work on the waste management issue and how to better manage that because autoclaves right-hand turn something that every hospital has. oh, probably two to three. right now, we re not even autoclaving around the clock. so we d have a lot of capability to increase that at this time. no, we think that that s probably about the right level. increase it beyond three? no. the facility that is arguably the most prepared in the country, and therefore, in the world, to treat ebola? they can handle three patients. three. three total. because that s how much ebola waste that facility can autoclave and safely deal with. so it s three beds. three beds total to treat ebola in omaha. there s one patient there right now, the nbc freelance camera man. so in omaha, one of their three total beds are taken. two more potential spots taken. around the country, we have three other facilities. they also have three beds in which they say they can treat ebola patients. two of those beds are currently in use. they ve got two ebola patients at emory right now. one american worker for the world health organization who s been there over a month and whose name has not been released and also the second nurse who con trakted the disease in dallas. so in emory, two of their three beds are taken. then there s the national institutes of health department in bethesda. they have a capacity of two beds. their very first ebola patient is en route right now. so that s two beds at nih, one in use as of tonight. that means they ve got one more spot available. and, at st. patrick hospital in montana, that s the fourth of four. that s the other specialized unit for highly infectious disease in our country. they say they are able to treat one ebola patient at a time. they have one bed for ebola. nobody is in that bed right now. and that s et. so so here s where the math gets alarming. that means nine beds total. nine beds total is our national capacity in terms of these high-end, specialty units that we know can do it more safely than anybody else in the world. nine beds total available. four of them are already in use. so our expansion capacity, in case there are any more cases, five for the whole country. that s a very small number of beds. that s a very small number of patients handled at once. in places we know are confident would know how to handle them. not much room to glow there. and we may have to be ready to grow. i think there may be other cases. and i think we have to recognize that as a nation. we have a case now and it is entirely conceivable there may be another case. at the hospital, we have a situation involving 77 people, two of which have tested positive for ebola. we are preparing contingencies for more. and that is a very real possibility. if they develop ebola, we hope no more will, but we know that s a possibility, since two individuals did become inekt iffed, others may. cdc director tom freiden testifying today before congress. one of many health department officials warning we should not be surprised when and if more health care workers who treated that person in dallas end up with ebola themselves. and that s totally apart from other people contracting it elsewhere in the world and then ending up here when they get diagnosed. the question then becomes where are they going to go? the only non-specialist unit that has treated is this community hospital in dallas where the first patient was treated. that patient died and the hospital managed to get at least two of their healthy health care workers infekted in the process of treating them. and god bless them, and the whole country is praying for these 70 plus health workers from dallas who have now all been isolated. but all of those health department workers have been ice lated, that means they are down 70 plus staff members who can t come to work because they re in isolation. the very people who have been selected at that hospital to work on this very difficult case. they are now down all of that staff. they are reeling from the impact this has had from them so far. that s part of the rsh neal for moving nurse nina fomm tonight. part of the rsh neal is not just that they want her to get great care, they want texas health presbyterian to be ready in case more health workers are diagnosed because they got infekted by caring for thomas eric duncan. that is the only non-specialist facility to deal with this outbreak and their experience has been devastating. if it turns out, as the experts are warning us, if it turns out that several more people are infected with this disease, where are they going to go for treatment, ultimately? can we ramp up the number of specialty units that we have? we ve got five available beds in the whole country in those specialty units right now. nine beds total, four taken. can there be more of those units? can we upscale what those units can do? can we replicate those units quickly? is it possible? logistically, is it possible. can the biocontainment unit start running 2 4/7. can it get us higher than the stated three-bed capacity that s stated by their nursing director. what can we do to up the capacity at emor or nih. they say if they had more staff, not more equipment, but more staff, they think they could get up to a capacity for three beds. they need more staff to be able to offer that capacity. can we get them more staff? shouldn t we do that now? what would it take to get more of these units online? are we confidentble as a country with having a margin of five total beds to expand into. this isn t terrorism. it s public health. that unit exists now and is treating an ebola patient now because of that money which is motivated by the fear of terrorism. and there were many times when it seemed nuts to spend all of that money on something we may not ever need to use as a country. oh, sorry, it didn t turn out the way we expected it to. thank god we spent that money. now that we need it, it is here and the staff is trained and they re going to know what they re going to do. how do we make that bigger? 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you know, he continues to have a slow improvement. is doing well and i think, as already has been reported, eating some solid food and basically continues to make progress. in terms of the capableties of the unit there at the university of nebraska and there s three other units that are always cited as being essentially in that top tier of being able to deal with highly infectious diseases. there s a very small number of beds if you add them all together in terms that could be treated in a specialist facility like yours. should that worry us in terms of the ability of patients to get top tier level care if we do get a number of people diagnosed, maybe under the circumstances in which these nurses were affected in dallas? well, i mean, it is a concern, at least in the short run. the real question, i think as you eluded to in some of the earlier parts in the show, how quickly we can ramp up and provide similar capableties around the country. how quickly could we? i know that having spoken with another medical professional from your facility, having studied something about what makes you different, it seems like what you re doing is not something that s technologically infeasible for other facilities. it s more a matter of practice, training, comfort with essentially the protocols so that they can be followed to a tee and without error. it seems like something that would take a long time to develop in other places. i mean, it does depend upon the level of preparedness in the background of the individuals. at certain institutions. certainly practice makes perfect. practice can be ramped up. it really is kind of like flying an airplane. you have a strict checklist of things that you have to do and specific orders and be watched very carefully doing it and making sure you re doing i right. so there is that back-up. again, there s no substitution for pra e practice. do you feel like if the country is going to need to upscale the number of places in which you feel like you ve getting the top level of care, would it make more sense to try to bring regular community hopts up to a standard that is safe? or would it make more sense, especially that has to happen in the short term, to try to scale up from the places where it is working? to build in more beds at a facility like yours to try to get more beds on line at a place like ma e ezula or some of news other units. strategically, how would you approach that? i think it s a difficult question to answer, without knowing kpangtly what the infrastructure is like at many other facilities around the country. part of it is having the physical structures to do that. and there s nothing, at least in terms of taking care of ebola in terms of ebola because it is not passed as an airborne disease. it s largely a case where the individual can be isolated and taken care of in a separate location. the real challenge, though, is as you eluded to, is training the staff to be able to take care of them safely. as well as dealing with some of the infectious waste, as well as the transportation of taking things safely to the laboratory. each hopt will be different in terms of that capability. we ll know a little more about our training methods. we are actually since our first patient arrived several weeks ago, we actually are a staff of 40. we ve had somewhere between 30 additional people volunteer to be trained to work in that facility. we are really ramping up and we re going through a training process ourselves with new staff. they won t be until we re very confident that they re ready. we have some experience in terms of treating new individuals. doctor, dean of the college of medicine at the university of nebraska medical center. thank you for helping us understand that. i did not know about people volunteering to get involved in this at this point. it s very heartening to hear. thank you, sir. thank you. it is amazing that given that we just had two health care workers infected, more health care workers are saying get in there. i ll do it. it s amazing. we ll be right back. growth is gratifying. goal is to grow. gotta get greater growth. i just talked to ups. they got expert advise, special discounts, new technologies. like smart pick ups. they ll only show up when you print a label and it s automatic. we save time and money. time? 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afghanistan. but that is not generally what they have to do when they re home in alabama. he s from seal, alabama. he s currently in fort bening in georgia and at 1:00 a.m. on friday night, staff sergeant mensink got a call in the police. by that point, police in birmingham, alabama, had a whole block of that city shut down. the atf, the fbi, the alabama state version of the fbi, they had two local police forces there. they had a campus police force there, but with all those agencies on site, they realized what they needed they didn t have on hand was the army. and the reason they needed the army and staff sergeant mensink is because an old dude in rural, alabama, was, quote here, tinkering with some kind of explosive device. and it became lodged inside his leg. some random old dude was playing with grenades, tinkering with grenades, we don t know exactly what kind it was. the grenade didn t explode while he was tinkering with it, but it basically fired itself into his thigh. paramedics took him to the local hospital. the baptist medical center there is lying seriously, you have a live grenade embedded inside you? you might explode. you can t come here. you have to go to a level one trauma center. poor local paramedics and the ambulance with this guy might explode at any minute, they drive their potentially going to explode passenger to birmingham. at umb, that hospital, too, is like okay, this patient might explode, you can t bring him inside here. the hero paramedics agree to stay in the ambulance with the guy even as the hospital kept the ambulance barricaded 30 feet from the building. the x-ray showed what was stuck into his side appeared to be a 40 millimeter grenade. it not only would have killed the guy, it would have blown apart the ambulance and everybody else inside it. so until 1:00 in the morning, the paramedics many hours into this, having a hard time keeping the guy calm and still inside the ambulance, they have everybody on scene they can possibly think of. but ultimately, they realized they needed to call somebody who might have dealt with a battlefield weapon like this before. and so they called fort bening. they sent alabama state troopers to the georgia state line and staff sergeant david mensink and three other members of his edod team raced to the state line. troopers met them at the alabama border, gave them a flashing red light escort. i don t know how fast it is, but it was about a 150-mile trip and they made it much faster than the speed limit allow. the guys from fort bening handed their body armor to the paramedics who had been with the guy all that time. his name says matthews. his name is not matthews. it s cameron padbury. one of eod team of soldier, sergeant first class tyrone matthews handed over his own body armor to the paramedic who would not get out of the ambulance. he wouldn t leave his patient. staff sergeant mensink got into the ambulance, looked at the grenade embedded into the guy s guy and saw to his medic training that it was so deeply wedged in the man s thigh his femoral artery was exposed. so they re going to need a doctor. time to do surgery on the guy with a live ge nad stuck in his leg. they got a doctor from uab to volunteer to get into the ambulance with the guy who might explode at any minute. the doctor made an incision into the man s thigh right next to the live grenade stuck in there and then, quote, calmly and confidently, the staff sergeant reached into the incision in the man s thigh and removed the grenade by hand, careful not to twist it or turn it. and the guy is fine. i mean, obviously the guy is not fine, he plays with grenades. but after shooting the grenade into his thigh up against his femoral artery and finding the bravest paramedics on earth who refused to leave him and stayed with him in the ambulance for eight hours while they thought he might expoed and then finding a uab doctor willing to climb into that ambulance and do field surgery on the live grenade, and after calling in the afghanistan vet eod teches of the u.s. army to identify the grenade and then the staff sergeant who then agreed to reach in by hand and pull it out of his thigh and render it safe, yeah, after that, the guy is fine. how was your friday night? the grenade turned out to be a 40 millimeter m-713 smoke grenade, one that shoots off smoke to mark a place on the battlefield. nobody knew that s the kind of grenade it was until they had it out of the guy s leg. the guy himself didn t know that. iraq and afghanistan veterans sometimes lament that the skill set they develop out on the battlefield is not a skill set they appreciate back home, potentially by potential employers. in alabama right now, i think that worry is inoperable. bravery. theme of the day. now it s time for the last word with lawrence o donnell. good evening, lawrence. wow, rachel. what a collection of heroes. just amazing. amazing stuff. thanks, man. tonight for the first time, we are seeing and hearing from the dallas, texas, nurse who contracted ebola while caring for her patient. her video thank you from her texas recovery room is next. ebola is not new although it s new to the u.s. demanding answers. the nation s top health experts are on capitol hill. the head of the
it s color to another part of south america, french guyana. what neither of those countries has anything to do with is africa. africa. whole different continent. africa, western africa, is where the nation of guinea is. guinea is one of the countries where ebola is now an epidemic. so to be clear, guinea is in africa. guyana is in south america. armed with that knowledge, go, congress, go. beginning in march, 2014, in the west african nation of guyana, the world first learned about, yet, another new outbreak of the ebola virus. republican congressman daryl isa telling the world today that ebola started in a nation called guyana, which is a nation in south america which has nothing to but, at least in that sentence, he did get the word ebola right. yesterday s news was a doctor in new york city tested positive for eboli, and this is particular hi distressing. cdc declared that a nurse who became infected with eboli must have contact contracted it. the news of that medical doctor returning from the news that a medical doctor returning from guyana now has tested positive to foster the development of eboli treatments. president obama s treatment, a wrong claim, to serve as the eboli czar. sadly, in my opinion. gh oh, yes, give us more of your opinion, your well informed on the one hand, who cares that a member of congress thinks that e. coli and ebola may be ma maybe the same thing. who cares if some guy who rums a car alarm company has absolutely no idea what he is talking about when it comes to a disease diagnosed in two cities, kpept, that same person also runs the congress and now decides that it ought to be doing oversight hearings on eboli, ecola, coca-cola, shinola, whatever. and important to our nation s understands of the ricolla, the canoli, the e-mail, whatever you call it. okay. so when the head of the cdc says you can t get it with somebody own the bus next to you, that s just not true. no, actually you can t get ebola on the bus, daryl isa. or on the sub way. this s new york city mayor riding the subway in new york city to show everybody that it s safe to ride the subway. there s new york governor doing the same thing. these are not guys you usually see on the subway. but they re doing these subway rides today to show that it s safe. they re doing this to counter any worry about any news that the doctor spiked a fever yesterday morning was diagnose nosed with ebola last night. the message is that, yes, new york city has its first patient, but it s okay. it s okay to take the subway. it is okay to take the bus. that doctor went bole e bowling on wednesday night before he got sick. it s okay to go bowling at that bowling alley. it s okay to go bowling even at other bowling al heels. even ones in other cities or states. even in south america, do they bowl in south america? it s okay to drink coffee from places that dr. craig spencer got coffee before he got sick. it s okay to eat at the places where the doctor ate before he got sick. these are pictures of our staff dinner tonight, which we ordered from the meat ball shop, which is a delicious new york city joint that dr. spencer before he got sick. it s not the first time we ordered from that meat ball shop, but it was delicious. and it s okay. it s all going to be okay. dr. craig spencer is in isolation at bellevue hopt in new york where he s being treated for his illness. we ve got two very different tracks. two opposite responses to ebola as a nation. whenl we think back on this time as a country, days hence, right? when we look back only this time, when books are written about this, and they will be. about this as a challenge and a health crisis and a moment that called for leadership in this nation. it s almost impossible to believe. but that historical record is going to have to show that there has been a huge partisan divide in the response. a sharply divergent distant. this real hi is turning out to be the republican response. you can get ebola sitting next to someone on a bus. no, you can t. daryl isa today u right? who can t tell guinea from guyana. or eboli than ebola. but he knows better than any doctor. don t take the bus, america. daryl guyana leading the charge in congress. it peter king telling the long island talk radio, it s time for the doctors to realize that they were wrong. he, peter king, has determined that ebola has mule tatatez as virus to become an airborne disease. it s airborne. you probably have it if you ve been out in the air, people. wake up. it s one thing you have people in positions of power who have no idea what they re talking about, nevertheless using their positions of power trying to let everybody that they know and the authorities don t to try to freak people out as much as possible and deliberately undermine people s confidence in health authorities. encouraging as much panic as possible with made up disnfrgs. so that s one model for how to lead in response to a crisis. that really is what they re doing. that s rand paul saying hey, trust me. you re going to get this thing at a cocktail party. don t go to cocktail parties. that s peter kane saying the doctors are wrong. the doctors are wrong. and he, peter king, is right because he looked up the word mutat trk mutated this morning. and against that, against whatever storm surge of panic can be general rated by that tide of nonsense against that, there s the brooklyn burro president. this s the mayor of new york city and the governor of the state riding the subway saying it s okay. at the nih today, nurse nin nina fomm was declared cured, free of the disease. and i think, in part, they re doing that because they do real hi seem to like her. but they re also doing it on purpose. to show that she is safe. it s okay. [ applause ] . good afternoon. i feel fortunate and bheszed to be standing here today. although i no honger ha erno lo, it may be a while before i have my strength be. so i ask for my privacy and my family s privacy to be respected as i return to texas and try to get back to a normal life and reunited with my dog, benthy. thank you, everyone. thank you all very much. we appreciate you being here. how much are you going to miss nina? i m going to miss nina a lot. i gave her my cell phone number just in case i get lonely. after nina fomm was release from care, she then went to the white house, to the oval office and met one-on-one with president obama. and president obama likes her as much as to beny faucci does. buzz it was dhib rat. it s to show that it was okay. not only is she cured from ebola, by virtue of having recovered from it, she s immune from it. at least for some time. so this are two ways to respond to this. it s amazing that those two ways are to divergent. that this sere s a propanic response. it s true. choose one, i guess. woman: this is not exactly what i expected. captain obvious: this is a creepy room. man: oh hey, captain obvious. captain obvious: you should have used hotels.com. their genuine guest reviews are written by guests who have genuinely stayed there. instead of people who lie on the internet. captain: here s a review, it s worse in person. terrible i congestion. with terrible chest congestion. better take something. theraflu severe cold doesn t treat chest congestion. really? new alka-seltzer plus day powder rushes relief to your worst cold symptoms plus chest congestion. oh, what a relief it is. i m almost done. 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new jersey governor joinlyjoin jointly announced mandatory quarantines for any health worker returning from west africa who had contact with ebola patients while abroad. that s a new policy announced this evening. this was earlier tonight at university hospital in newark, nmg nj. the person in the balancambulan we re told, is a doctors without borders staff person who arrived at newark today. she had been involved with treatment of patients in west africa. this staff worker had no symptoms when she flew in, but the new jersey department of health put her under a 21 day quarantine. this evening, we re today, that worker did develop a fever and is now in isolation. it is not yet clear if the new york and new jersey region has its second patient in two days. that may be the case. if it is the case, both of these people will have been in sharyl circumstances once they game home. joining us now is the director of the national center for disaster preparedness. thanks for being with us. the 21-day quarantine announcement today. this is nk new jersey and new y specific. it goes beyond what they re doing in other states and beyond cdc recommendations at this point. is it a smart move? does it make sense to you? gh i certainly understand the public pressure to do this. this is an evolving process. the policies are changing, as we speak. and the reason is that as we learn more, as we re trying to appreciate what the actual risks are, the policy is evolving. we have to be care 68, though, if we go too far in making people alarmed, then we re increasing the amount of screening and the amournt of quarantine. this is a downside to this is e in which it can discourage people from wanting to go and volunteer at the most important thing that we can do which is to treat the ebola at its e its source in west africa. you re saying by making it essentially so inkreent upon return from home for american health workers to go participate in that, you may discourage people? gh yeah, these are extraordinary procedures by doctors and nurses saying they re going to go and help out with this pretty dangerous disease in africa. they re trying to make this decision that the person says i m going to go for four weeks or algts weeks, but now i m finding out that i have to be quarantined. when i get back, it could tilt the decision to go in the first place in the wrong direction of providing services in those thee countries in africa. there s a downside to all of those policies. but on the other hand, what i m hoping for is that we keep focused on the science and not go above and beyond what makes sense from a rational public health point of view and scientific point of view. we re in a spectrum here. so on the onened e end, we re dealing with policies and protocols derived from the science. and on the other hand, it s an abundance of caution where we re sort of bowing to public pressure. and we have to find that balance. this is what i think the policymakers are are struggling with. where is the right balance between the science only and giving, you know, some credence to the fact that people are nervous about it. if we go too far, as i said, it becomes a discouragementedme tot people need to do. gh is there a response consequence to having political leaders say things like don t take the bus, you re going to get it at a cocktail party. don t believe what the cdc tells you. the doctors don t know anything. don t believe the authorities. it s a little horrifying when politicians are saying things that are actual hi literally contrary to the scientific information. yeah. and that does no good what so ever, except cause a lot of chaos. we understand it s the midterm election season. we understand all of that. we understand people may not understand anything about this. but if you re a political leader, it really better to stick to things that the scientists say are true. and one of the things that s actually been impressive about the process of new york has been an extraordinary amount of focus on the science and having developed policy and protocols from that science. so this is what we re sort of babbling here. people are nervous and anxious. we shouldn t make statements that will make them more anxious, especially when they re not true. doctor, who s been an advisor to the mayor on this. thank you. all right. busy friday night in the news. lots ahead, including, as i mentioned earlier, something i m sure is doomed technical failure. as far as i can see, we re never the less going to try to pull off live here on the show. lots ahead. stay with us. transferred money from his before larry instantly bank of america savings account to his merrill edge retirement account. before he opened his first hot chocolate stand calling winter an underserved season . and before he quit his friend s leaf-raking business for not offering a 401k. larry knew the importance of preparing for retirement. that s why when the time came he counted on merrill 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seattle, a small christian school, he entered a science and engineering building and managed to shoot three people. he killed one of them before he was tackled while he was trying to reload. they held the shooter down until police could arrive at the scene and later said that he was held bent on killing a lot of people. those mass shootings in the seattle area followed other shootings in recent years. an 08 shooting left six people dead, four police officers were shot and killed in 2009. then, today, it happened again. this time, the scene was a high school. in a suburb north of seattle at around 10:30 this morning, a freshman armed with what s been described as a pistol, started shooting inside the school s cafeteria. students who were with him remained calm the whole time. the students who were shot were sitting with the gunman at the time. he was just quite. he was sitting there. everyone was talking. all of the sudden, i see him stand up, pull something out of his pocket. at first, i thought it was someone making a really loud noise, with, like a big, loud pop until i heard four more after that. and then i saw thee kids just fall from the table like they were falling to the ground dead. i jumped under the table as fast as i could. when it stopped, i looked back up. i saw he was trying to reload his gun and i just ran in the opposite direction and got out of this as fast as i could. they say tonight that a total of six people were shot at this washington state high school today including the gunman who died at the scene of a self-inflected wound. so he killed himself at e and shot five others. one female student has been pronounced dead. four other students were rushed to local students. it s a sign of just how common shootings like this have come. not just across the country but in the seattle area specifically. we are ready to handle these cases. we are a level two trauma center. we ve had a very good response from our medical staff. about 25 doctors showed up. we had two neurosurgeons on the scene. we had a heart surgeon, a chest surgeon as well as multiple trauma surgeons. can you talk a little bit about any kind of planning or drills you had at this school that shed some light to how you prepare for a horrible day like this. yeah, we have done training at the school. it s with our s.w.a.t. team. i cannot say exactly when that took place or when the last time that took place. the police had done training for this at that school. the local hospital had been conducting drills for a shooting just like this. tonight, marysville had just that happen. hopt officials say tonight that of the four students rushed to the hospital after today s shooding, three of the four are in critical condition. one is in serious condition. we ll let you know as we learn more. twhat do i do?. you need to catch the 4:10 huh? the equipment tracking system will get you to the loading dock. there should be a truck leaving now. i got it. now jump off the bridge. what? 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[ cat meows ] [ male announcer ] engineered to kill. okay. time to visit an alter gnat universe. the one who makes you half love thanksgiving dinner with your extended family and half dread it all yearlong because he s going to be there. in that world of a grieved, conservative, all capital letters, paranoia, this is the biggest deal in the world right now. this is official camera footage sought inside the board of elections in maracopa county, arizona. you can clearly see people entering the facility, coming through the doors. am they re coming in there to drop off their ballots for the election. this county has a collection box set up. you see person after person coming through the doors and dropping off their ball hots, but, then, in this video, there s this guy. and your fox-news watching uncle is very upset by this guy right now. as you can see, the guy is wearing shorts and flip-flops and a t-shirt. the t-shirt is from a group called citizens for a better arizona. citizens for a better arizona is a group that says they re trying to increase latino voter participation in that state. and, in fact, the guy in this footage works for that glup. but what you see in this footage that has your ujle so upset is that the dude is not just dropping off a ballot. he s not just there to cast a vote in the election. that guy is there to drop off a whole bunch of votes for the election. you can see him, clearly, in this footage. he doesn t just drop one ballot and leave like everybody else. he stays longer because he s putting in ballot after ballot after ballot, oh, my god. liberal act vis caught on camera. oh, you know it s good. left wing act vis caught in ballot box in arizona. does this video show a hispanic activist committing vote fraud? hispanic. emphasis on panic. glen beck adds the damning video to the still from the footage. surveillance video, aparentally catches guy doing something at the ballot box that leaves republican monitors stunned. the frenzy started spread from there at all the national right wing blogs. and now i garn tee you your aforementioned kwon servetive upgle with this damming surve surveillance camera footage, as we speak. did i mention that the guy in the video is clearly hispanic? a few things to know about this. first, the timing. i know it s nice, the weather is always nice in arizona. but this footage of a guy in nip flops and a t-shirt was shot in august. this whole thing happened in august, but it s just being rolled out now by the con essentialtive media a week and a halve before our big, national election in order to create a scary feeling for gullible con essentialtive people all over the country. yeah, sure, down at your low k58 presixth, you might be plain e planning to vote your one little vote. but latinos, like this guy, they re stuffing the ballot box with hundreds of ballots. blatantly stealing the e lektss. be afraid. that s one thing to know about it. the timing it happened. months ago. but they re making it a story now. and it has turned into a huge story on the right. the other thing to know about this story is that the guy is not actually stealing the election. it is perfectly legal and a long standing praing tis in arizona that it s okay to drop off other people s absentee ballots at the board of e herkss. you can even drop off multiple people s ballots at once. it s okay. and that fact of arizona law has led to some hilarious journalistic update. they ve still got the headline about the surveillance video catching the guy doing something at the ball lot box. you can still read through ten pretty breathless paragraphs about how a man was seen stuffing hundreds of ballots into the ball los box. the entire incident caught on surveillance video. they give you the exact time for the crime. it was between 12:54 and 1:04. america used to be a nation of laws where one person had one vote. i m sad to say, not anymore. you get through ten paragraphs of this terrible, breathless, damning reporting about this horrible ballot stuffing that has happened. and then, oh, look, you skip to the bottom. editor s note. this post has been up dated. ivan reid. oh, go back. turns out ivan reid is spokeswoman for the county elections department. she eventually get es a call after they ve posted their damming story and unfortunately, tells them, quote people can bring in someone else s bat e ballot. there s no law against it. surveillance camera catches guy doing sng. red arrow. the crime of legally participating in the normal voting process why appearing to be hispanic has blown up on the right this week like a dirty bomb. and your uncle is not going to pass you the marshmallow yams at thanksgiving this year until he gets a straigt answer from you about what happened in maracopa county because he saw the tape. so from the right wipg universe, you should know that that is part one of what they rolled out this week. your paranoid con receivabletive uncle s inbox does need filling at this time. the fox news channel is also doipg its part, as well. the fox news chap this week decided to invent their own blood curdling tale of people legally voting, except their blood curdling team is set not in arizona, but in colorado. breaking tonight with two weeks to the mid firms, we are getting warnings that a new law has opened the door to possible voter fraud in a critical senate race that could decide the balance of power in congress. it was roughly 16 months ago when the democratic governor of colorado signed a first-of-its kind new election law. a set of rules that allows rez depts to print ballots from their home computers and then encounselors them to turn ballots over to collectors in what appears to be an effort to do away with traditional polling places. what could go wrong? it sounds terrible. that s because they made it up. so it would so you believed e sound terrible. local news stations in colorado have been correcting the fox news channel ever since they started making up this story this week. here s kusa in colorado trying to calm down their viewers. tuesday s episode of fox news host megan kel hi s program incorrectly told viewers that colorado voters are not anyone to print ballots using their home come pulters and vote by turning them in. the claim that colorado law allows for home-printed ballots is simply false. most colorado voters cannot print a ballot and use it to vote. there s only one category of colorado voter who is can, those serving in the military. that system has nothing to do with colorado s new election law. it was in place beforehand. so yoe kroe has a vote by mail system this year, which other states have two. fox has now decided that in the state of colorado, that easter filling. even if it doesn t terrify them anywhere else in the country. and the long standing way that colorado military voters have always voted, that s also on fox news. now a democratic lot to steal the election. and it s something brand new, everyone though it s only for military voters and it s not new at all. but the e lekts is a week and a half away and your uncle needs reading material. conservative media needs the republican base to get really alarmed that this might be volting going on out there. some of it by people who appeared to be latino fraud. and some of it in places that have started to frequently vote for democrats. fraud. sd so in is what the next week and a half is going to be like. a frenzy of made-up stuff that people are hoping will think things illegal about potential democrats voting in the upcoming election. now, to be fair, the republican party proper is not responsible for the stuff that they make up on the fox news channel and your uncle and his where s the birth t-shirt. so fake their great hope, new jersey republican governor chris christie, in charge of electing republican governors setting the stage for his own widely anticipated run for president. here s how important this election is if republicans have any hope of winning back the white house in 2016. if all you re concerned about is 2016, let me suggest this to you. if you have any chance of electing a republican president, there s a bunch of things we need to do. but the first is to have a good bench of republican candidates. and i am convinced that the next president of the united states is going to be a governor. and it need to be. guess who s a governor. chris christi building himself up as a potential 2016 candidate. he says that electing repub hi can governors this year will help the party put up a good of e slate of candidates to run. in order to win the white house, the first thing the republicans need is a good bench. that s the first thing they need to get a republican in the white house. and now here s the second thing they need. secondly, wad e what would you rather have if you were a republican candidate and the nominee? would you rather have rick scott in florida orr seeing the voting mechanism? or charlie cryst? scott walker or mary burke? who would you rather have in ohio? john kasik or ed fitzgerald. fact is, if you re just a pragmatist, you re going to care about who s running those states in november, 2016. what kind of political apparatus they set up and what kind of governmental apparatus they set up. wow. you know, in theory, who s in control, which party is in control of a governmental apparatus of a state shouldn t be a factor in who s likely to win an election in that state. gaining partisan control of the voting mechanism isn t what you re supposed to admit is your plan for elections. when the chris christie remarks this week were first reported in nnk nmg, the usually mild-man r mild-mannered links to christie s remark and says how can we cheat on vote counts if we don t control the goef nor ships. after breaking the news about the common e kmebts this week. he then gave a charification. i would much rather have republicans counting those votes than i would democrats. listen, i m a republican. i want republicans counting the votes when i m running. usually, it s the conservative media that s willing to say sufficient that radical. that s willing to talk about taking over the vote counting so republicans will win. that s the crazy stuff coming iii the conservative media. this year, though, you can take those goal posts and run down field with them. this year, even the mainstream gop is saying they need republicans to win kbov nor ship to ensure republican presidential candidate wins the count. in order to find any space at all to the right of that, we ve got to have conservative media pointing and screaming at people who commit the crime while latino. or, in the case of fox news, making up scandalous voting laws that don t exist and telling prime time viewers that what they just made up is how they re fixing the election. if the democrats end up doing well on this election, imagine what they re going to make up then? 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tonight you ll be did you everen on christina jackson. she owns a design animation studio, she also plays the mandolin and she has no pugs named gracie and maddy and a cat named emma. nice to meet you. nice to meet you, too, rachel. i have been given an additional note saying if you win our game tonight this will be the first time you won a prize of any kind since you were 5 years old. that s correct. what did you win when you were 5? an eggplant. were you at an eggplant competition? or did you really lose? we did a field trip to a grocery store and the grocery store held up the eggplant and said whoever can guess this will win it. and i guessed that it was an eggplant. and that taught you to never compete again. exactly. at least until now. i m going to ask you three questi questions. if you get two or more of them right, you will win an awesome piece of swag. it s this awesome minicocktail shaker. teeny tiny, nobody will get hurt. we need to bring in the d disembodied voice of steve bennan. he s going to tell us when you get a question right or wrong. steve, are you there? yes, good evening, christina, good evening, rachel. hi. yay. are you ready to go? i am. you know, we ve only done this once before and my experience with things that you do for the first time is that you follow the recipe really close the first time it works. and then the second time you get cavalier and completely fails. so let s see what we can do. ready? i m ready. twice this week, we told you about the democratic candidates for statewide office who had decided they would not participate in previously scheduled debates with their republican opponents. so one of those democrats eventually did decide to debate this week, but one of them did not. and that decision resulted in that candidate s opponent getting an hour of free unopposed tv air time, opposite an empty chair. who was that democrat. i need the name and the state. oh, i nomar that cokely changed her mind. she decided to go in. and, you know, i m really afraid i don t remember the person who i will give you a hint. okay. the person who got to sit on stage for an hour debating an empty chair insfed of this democratic candidate is a person named tom tillis. does that help? it doesn t actually. so i really am going to have to win the second and third to get that prize. you are going to have to win the second and the third. steve, can you walk us through it? let s turn to the debate s moderator. you re watching capital tonight. we re a debate with thom tillis. kay hagan refused to appear. unfortunately, christina did not get that one. but you ve got two more chances. are you going to be all right? i think so. let s go to question two. this one is multiple choice. on wednesday this week, as part of our reporting on the attacks in ottawa, we discussed another attempt to attack the canadian parliament that happened in 1966. in that incident, a would-be bomber brought an explosive device to the canadian parliament. but in a last minute, the miscalculation by the bomber saved the day and nobody got hurt. what did the bomber screw up back in 1966? was it a, the bomber forgot to bring a match or a lighter to light the fuse on the bomb. b, the bomber took a wrong turn inside parliament and got stuck behind a locked door. c, the bomber cut the wrong wire and actually defused the bomb, or d, the bomber thought the fuse would take longer to burn than it did and it ended up blowing up too soon. what s the right answer. this is one of the few i didn t study. let s say accidentally defused the bomb. steve, what s the wrong answer? the correct answer is d, the bomb thought the fuse would take longer to burn and it blew up too soon killing only him. at this point, you re playing for honor. but i also have to tell you we re notorious cheaters. although we said you have to get two or three right in order to get the swag. you could probably persuade me if you get the last one. are you ready for the last one? i ll do my best. don t be it s going to be fine. all right. veteran boston globe reporter walter robinson, this week he nailed another massachusetts politician for being less than forthright about his military record while runs for public office. in the past, walter robinson has exposed other politicians for lying serving in vietnam when they didn t. for receiving battlefield promotions or saying they did when they actually hadn t. this week, that reporter, walter robinson nailed another politician. a massachusetts congressional candidate for not telling the voters about an important part of his military record. who did walter robinson expose in the boston globe this week and do you remember what it was for? seth molton for winning a bronze star and the marine army medal. marine army medal? bronze star? steve? steve? it is seth molton running for the 6th congressional massachusetts. let s turn to monday s sellingment for the rest of the answer. in this case, it is a lie only by omission because the guy didn t want to tell people about the awards he received for combat heroism and for bravery. yes. so that means, the answer is seth molton who was braggin bus not bragging about two medals of honor. do you want to know how we re going to manage the cheating we re about to do on the air. that was, give me the name of the guy and then extra credit, what did he lie about? and you got sort of the extra credit. so even though we re totally cheating i m going to call that two right answers. and if it was two right answers does that mean that christina won? yes, she wins the kwok tail shaker. thank you for playing. thank you for letting me cheat on your behalf and thank you for watching the show this week and knowing even more about the seth molton thing than i did. good to see you. goodbye. we will send you your tiny shaker. if any of you out there think you have what it takes aft s to survive the friday news dump. all you need to do is go to maddow blog.com. we have all the details about how you can apply. you can do that really fast, but very, very shortly you are due in prison.
since that time, the charlottesville police department, in cooperation with the county of albemarle, and jurisdictions throughout the commonwealth of virginia engaged in an unprecedented search in an effort to find her. and return her to her family. countless hours, thousands of hours, have been spent by let literally hundreds of law enforcement and volunteers in an effort to find hannah. we think perhaps today proved their worth. sometime before noon today, a search team from the chesterfield county sheriff s department was searching an abandoned property along old lynchburg road in southern albemarle county when they discovered what appears to be human remains. now, fairly shortly after that discovery, at a time that was most appropriate, detective sergeant james mooney of the charlottesville police department made a very difficult phone call and reached out to john and susan graham to share with them this preliminary discovery. again, these are human remains, and forensic tests need to be conducted to determine the identification of those remains, but nonetheless, we wanted to be quick and timely to share that information excuse me with the graham family. now, as colonel sellers will point out in just a moment, this investigation is complicated. it s a complex criminal investigation, and it s unlikely we ll have any information in the very near future, and perhaps the days to come that we ll be able to share with you about what we learned today. and what we ll likely learn in the days to come. but again, we know you ll be patient. we know you ll be respectful, because there will come a time when we ll be able to tell you more. but that s not today. hannah graham was last seen just after midnight last month in downtown charlottesville. she was captured on security camera video, as was jesse matthew. and police believe he is the last person to see her alive. he s already been charged with abduction in connection with the case. we have complete coverage of these new developments, former fbi assistant director, tom fuentes joins me, along with criminal defense attorney, danny cevallos, and uva professor, coy barefoot. coy, i wonder if you could talk a bit since you have been deep in this case from the very beginning and you are from there. you could hear in the words of chief timothy longo there just the emotion. this was a community tragedy in many ways, and a community effort to find, hopefully, her alive. but now it looks like her remains. hundreds of miles away, just as a father, i can see how wrenching this must be for the community, and certainly her parents. can you describe how much of this was was group suffering there, in effect, as they lost this young girl? jim, thanks. yes, it absolutely feels like this community has been wounded. of i mean, hannah was stolen from us. morgan was stolen from us. a number of young women have gone missing here in central virginia, and hannah, this tragedy of hannah graham, is just an insult to injury here. it s just amazing. i can say that tim longo, the chief of the charlottesville police department, is a good friend of mine. i have talked to him on and off the record many times over the last few weeks, and the world should know how absolutely committed he has been to marshalling every resource at his disposal to find hannah graham and bring her home to her mom and dad. he has everyone that works on his team, the virginia department of emergency management, the entire community, has been so laser-focused on this goal. let s find hannah. let s find hannah, and hopefully, we all hope that we would find her alive. it appears today five weeks to the day that she was last seen in downtown charlottesville. it appears that they have found her remains. i do have a police source that confirmed to me late today that they did find a deep decomposed body taken to richmond to the medical examiner s office for i.d. everyone who was on the scene believed that was hannah graham. let me tell you exactly where we re talking about. this is about ten miles south of charlottesville. old lynchburg road is a direct shot, straight south of town into a very rural, heavily wooded part of albemarle county outside the city of charlottesville. walnut creek park is in this area, that is 525-acre park with 15 miles of trails and a 45-acre lake. this body these remains were found on what chief longo said was an abandoned property off of old lynchburg road, just south of walnut streak park. the police have set up a command center at the park and are currently working at what is now a crime scene, where this decomposed body was found. and there is just such a mix of emotions here in charlottesville. you know, i have seen people crying. i have cried tears myself. but you are also in the same moment so relieved that there might be some closure for such a wounded family. such a wounded community. but let s remember too, we never found samantha s body. we have yet to find bonnie s body. we have yet to find janet. we have yet to find alexis. there are a number of people. and sage, as well. there are so many people who are still missing. and now we are all wondering to what extent might mr. approximate matthew, the prime suspect in the abduction and possibly now the murder of hannah graham, we re all wondering to what degree he might be eventually linked to these other cases. jim? of course, the ultimate closure will come what closure is worth, if they can find the perpetrator and bring him to justice. as you have been speaking, coy, we have been showing the smiling pictures of hannah graham that have become so familiar and such a contrast, of course, to the truth of the story, the facts of the story and the developments we heard today. we were also showing pictures from google earth that showed that location, that park ten miles outside of charlottesville, where these remains were found. clearly, rural trees, roads, remote roads there. a difficult place to search. and that gets at this effort that s been under way for these 35 days with a lot of local volunteers, difficult, as we zoom in from google earth now. you see what a large area this was, and where they apparently may have found these remains. this was not an easy task, was it, coy? not at all. we all know that they identified this eight-mile radius around the city of charlottesville, and they got that number because, look, when a kid goes missing, they re usually found within five miles. when an adult goes missing, they re usually found within ten miles. hannah graham is a teenager, so they split the difference. they also now that morgan s remains were found 7.8 miles from where she was last seen on the copily road bridge at uva. so it would appear now that they were right in that area. at ten miles, this is probably 10 or 11 miles straight southern shot just out of the city of charlottesville. and you are right. this is an absolutely this is tough terrain, this is very heavily wooded. it is very rural. old lynchburg road, for those who aren t familiar with it, is a country road that winds through the woods, up and down the hills. i have done triathlons down at walnut creek park so i have run and biked those roads many times. and i can tell you they re hilly, very wooded, very thick woods with a lot of very rural properties. and longo says today, chief longo says, that they found this decomposed body in what is an abandoned property. i don t know, and i can t confirm, does that mean a structure, does that mean an old house, an old barn? i have also heard from other law enforcement sources of word of a shallow grave. that is unconfirmed at this time. but i have heard that from a couple of other sources mentioning a shallow grave on an abandoned piece of property in southern albemarle county. but this has been an historic, unpre unprecedented search effort by the virginia department of emergency management. look, we ve never seen anything like this in the history of virginia. there has never been a search more complicated, more extensive, and now the longest running search, five weeks to the day, to find hannah graham. but everybody i talked to over the last five weeks looked me right in the eye, and said, we are going to keep looking until we find her. everyone has said that. and it would appear today that they did. unfortunately, it appears that they have found her remains, but there is some closure, at least, hopefully, for the family in this terrible, terrible tragedy. and we have word that they have called off the search for hannah graham for tomorrow. another indication that they believe they found, sadly, what they were looking for in this case here and really remarkable piece of police work to find within that ten-mile radius in fact, exactly ten miles away from where she disappeared. we ve got a panel of legal experts with us. we re going to continue to follow this story. there is much more ahead at this hour. we also want to get to our other top story, and that is efforts to stop the ebola. we have learned a tsa officer is self-monitoring as a precaution. next, should other passengers traveling through cleveland be worried now? 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[ male announcer ] when you see everyone in america almost every day, you notice a few things. like the fact that you re pretty attached to these. ok, really attached. and that s alright. because we ll text you when your package is on the way. we re even expanding sunday package delivery. yes, sunday. at the u.s. postal service, our priority is.was. and always will be.you. our priority is.was. i found a better deal on prescriptions. we found lower co-pays. .and a free wellness visit. new plan.same doctor. i m happy. it s medicare open enrollment. have you compared plans yet? it s easy at medicare.gov. or you can call 1-800-medicare. medicare open enrollment. you ll never know unless you go. i did it. you can too. welcome back. i m jim sciutto in new york following two major stories at this hour. one, developments in the case of the missing uva student, hannah graham. possible remains found in the investigation in that case. we also continue to follow the national response to the ebola outbreak. the plan now, to combat the far-reaching effects of ebola, and that is to leave no stone unturned. cnn has just learned that the tsa officer who patted down ebola patient, amber vinson in cleveland on october 13th is now self monitoring as a precautionary measure. meanwhile, frontier airlines is scrambling to contact as many as 800 passengers who may have flown on the same plane that vinson flew on. and, a cruise ship is steaming back to galveston, texas, with a lab supervisor who may have come into contact with ebola via a specimen from thomas eric duncan. amber vinson and nina pham, still recovering at specially equipped hospitals. the monitoring period for the 48 people in dallas who had contact with liberia patient thomas eric duncan is almost over. that s 21 days. that will be up tomorrow. he died last week, you ll remember. and now the question remains, are there any other people who need to be under observation? cnn s alina machado joining us live from dallas. alina, let me start with duncan s girlfriend and her family. will they be allowed to go back to their apartment now? have they reached the end of that 21-day monitoring period? reporter: jim, dallas county judge clay jenkins tells us the family will not be returning to the apartment, because their lease was already up. instead, several community leaders have stepped up and they have found her a new place to live. so once that monitoring period ends for her, she will be going to a different place. now tomorrow could be a promising milestone, because you are at the end of the 21-day period, the incue obama administration period for this virus, and if they don t show it in that period, that means they re not going to get sick. there were 48 people who came into contact with duncan. so this means tomorrow, alina, they will no longer be monitored, assuming they get past that 21-day benchmark? reporter: that s our understanding. dallas county judge, the judge who i mentioned, clay generjenk told us the incubation period for the 48 people will end tomorrow night and monday, so midnight monday. and once that s over, they re supposed to be out of the red zone, so to speak. each of those markers, it would mean at least in the case of the first patient, thomas eric duncan, he did not cause anymore infections, i suppose. but you have these other patients infected, nina pham, amber vinson, and then they have 21-day periods, right? so those people came into contact with them and they still need to be monitored for some time. reporter: right, right. there are already dozens of health care workers who are being monitored, because they came into contact with those two nurses. and as you mentioned, there is a 21-day incubation period, so they will be monitored for 1 days 21 days after their known exposure. hopefully you pass all those 21-day periods with all the cases and then you re declared ebola-free, which has happened, incredibly, perhaps, before the u.s. for countries like nigeria and senegal. and i imagine, alina, that s what everybody is aiming for, you have no cases and everybody is past the 21-day period. reporter: absolutely. that s what everybody is hoping for here in dallas. thanks very much, alina machado. he want to turn to dr. alexander garza, health affairs for the department of homeland security, associate professor of epidemiology at st. louis university. we have just learned that a tsa officer who patted down ebola patient amber vinson, a nurse who contracted it from thomas duncan, has now decided to self monitor as a precautionary measure. to your knowledge, no signs of the disease, right? this is a precaution. right, right. this is just what you said it is. it s a precaution. so patting down amber vinson in the airport when she was not having any real signs of infection she had that elevated temperature. but again, you have to be in contact with bodily fluids to really be at risk of contracting the disease. now dr. garza, we have had some discussion on this program earlier with health experts about you need reaction, right? you need to be on top of this, but there is the possibility of overreaction. and i was recounting the story at the pentagon yesterday, someone got sick outside the back bathroom and they brought in people with hazmat suits to clean it up. and you just wonder, at what point you re allocating or we as a country are allocating resources that could be better allocated elsewhere, where there really is a threat. how do you get that balance right? right. and so it has to be a prudent response, right? otherwise there s no upper limit. and so it s easy to understand, though, in the early days of an exposure to something that s new and novel and really sort of unknown, that you would the pendulum swing in such a far direction. but i think as more people get used to dealing with this issue, they become if they ever become more comfortable in dealing with this issue, you can start ratcheting it back, and really start thinking about this from a risk-based perspective. what is my risk, and then how can i respond appropriately to that risk. well, one question that i imagine our viewers have is this. you have amber vinson, getting on the plane, she is patted down by a tsa officer. he, as a precaution, self quarantin quarantines. he then presumably patted down other passengers afterwards. now, we know medically that you re not contagious until you develop the disease and have symptoms. but does anyone think of then taking that next step just to make sure that everybody feels comfortable? i mean, how far do you carry each of these precautionary steps? right. exactly. and i think that was the you know, what i was trying to get across. what s the upper limit now? so presumably, the contact was very minimal. i mean, i ve been patted do you know at the airport before as well. and you know, it s usually your outer garments, they re wearing gloves, they change their gloves. but again, you have to be exposed to bodily fluids in order to contract the virus. and so the risk of exposure to anyone else who is patted down by this tsa officer is virtually nil. you re aware that the president just yesterday appointed an ebola czar. diplom didn t use the term czar but we re used to this now. there have been drug czars and czars or other things. knowing there are so many agencies involved in the response, yours being one of them, the cdc, nih, individual hospitals, police forces, et cetera. in your view, is it smart to have a national figure in the white house that s coordinating everything? well, yes and no. so yes, because really, the white house, i think, is the only place where you can have that position. and for exactly those reasons that you mentioned. it s spanning multiple different federal agencies. but not just the federal agencies. also those state and local providers, as well as those private providers, those health care providers, nurses, doctors, infectious disease specialists. public health officials. and so it s a very broad umbrella. and there s really no one position in a federal agency that can oversee that entire operation. so it really does need to be coordinated a very high level. and the national security staff, the white house, is is the best place to put that. dr. alexander garza, former assistant secretary for health affairs at the department of homeland security, thanks for joining us. thank you. they are the dealing with ebola on the front lines. the cleaning crews responsible for cleaning residences and hospitals. coming up, how they re dealing with the new demand. and more on the other major story we re following, the grim discovery in charlottesville, virginia. why this may closing the book on the search for the missing uva student, hannah graham. helps you find a whole range andof coverages.ur price tool no one else gives you options like that. 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[ laughter ] [ laughter ] got my eye on him. welcome back. i m jim sciutto in new york. we want to keep you up to date with the breaking news in the case of the 18-year-old missing uva student, hannah graham. for five weeks, police and volunteers have scoured rural areas around charlottesville, and today they made a grim discovery. human remains. some time before noon today, a search team from the chesterfield county sheriff s department was searching an abandoned property along old lynchburg road in southern albemarle county when they discovered what appears to be human remains. now, fairly shortly after that discovery, at a time that was most appropriate, detective sergeant james mooney of the charlottesville police department made a very difficult phone call and reached out to john and susan graham to share with them this preliminary discovery. again, these are human remains, and forensic tests need to be conducted to determine the identification of those remains. nonetheless, we wanted to quick and timely to share that information with the graham family. charlottesville police chief, timothy longo there. i ve covered a lot of stories like this, and these press conferences tend to be very mechanical, but from the beginning, you ve seen the emotion come across. which clearly reflects the emotion and how personal this was for the whole community there. you are so right. it was so personal. you know, this has been the largest search in virginia s history. really incredible. the entire history of the commonwealth. and for morgan harrington, it four months to find her remains. five weeks for hannah graham. so you see the intensity of the effort. morgan harrington, being another young woman who sadly disappeared five years ago, who also has a tie to jesse matthew, the suspect in the case. a forensic link between morgan harrington and jesse matthew. now we ll have to see about hannah graham. so talk a little bit about today what they announced today and did not announce. so the apparent human remains tied to the case, not i.d.ed yet formally and yet the folks investigating this disappearance have the confidence to come out, in effect hinting this is remains tied to the case. why would that be? did they likely find something else there to tie it to hannah? they must have visually seen something that they believed that they that they were confident enough to immediately call her parents. right. but they have been keeping her parents abreast of everything. and the remains now will go to the medical examiner s office in richmond, the capital of virginia, and forensically, they will find dna and they already do have hannah s dna. because i know that the department of forensic science in richmond got hannah s dna from her parents. and that can be done through a truth toothbrush, hairbrush, once hannah went missing they got that dna from her parents. so they will match that with the remains they have here. and, you know, they had never found her clothing, articles of clothing. that s going to be extremely significant for foreign dna. sure. for the perpetrator. the perpetrator, who have caused this to happen. so they are going to be looking at that, and, of course, they have jesse matthew s dna and a database of many others dna. i imagine there are other things you re going to be looking for at the site where the remains were found. tire tracks from a car, footprints. i think one question, if this is, in fact, hannah, will they be able to determine a cause of death. yeah. at this stage of decomposition. it s only been five weeks, which is good. and they were searching an abandoned house. does that mean they found remains within the house? that can be good, because remains can be preserved in that way. but this is a critical day, a missing persons investigation has turned to a death investigation. that s significantly different. the only hope you can feel, and i m sure you feel the same emotion as well, just as a parent, is that they get the further closure of finding the person who carried this out. and that this is a big step in that direction. but we re far from that point. very true. jean casarez, thank you very much for joining us. she s been covering the story from the beginning. coming up next, we have new developments out of ferguson, missouri. our ted rowlands is there. what happened before the fatal shots that took down michael brown. reporter: that s right, jim. new reporting out there, which we ll detail after the break about exactly what happened from darren wilson s point of view when he encountered mike brown. that coming up after the break. stay with us. 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that we don t know. but what we do know now, basically the officer s side of the story, which is very compelling. sure. and clearly there was a violent altercation of some kind inside that police car, because shots went off, and, in fact, michael brown was shot. question is, who initiated that, i suppose. where does the investigation stabbed in this? because we have the grand jury investigation, the state investigation, but you also have a federal investigation at the same time. reporter: right. two prongs going on. the federal investigation is expected to take longer, to see if michael brown s civil rights were violated. but the grand jury investigation is wrapping up. according to the st. louis county prosecutors, they expect this grand jury to make a decision one way or another to indict officer darren wilson or not indict him within the next couple weeks. as you can imagine, tensions here in ferguson with that ted deadline are growing by the day. and emotions still high so there will be an emotional reception to whatever that result is of that grand jury investigation. thank you very much, ted rowlands, in ferguson, missouri, tonight. you heard it here. a body has been found in the search for the missing uva student, hannah graham. her parents have been called, and the search tomorrow has been called off. at least for sunday. but the body has not been positively identified yet. was this announcement by police premature? we re going to discuss that and other developments in the case right after this break. you know how fast you were going? about 55. where you headed at such an appropriate speed? across the country to enhance the nation s most reliable 4g lte network. how s it working for ya? better than ever. how d you do it? added cell sites. increased capacity. and your point is. so you can download music, games, and directions for the road when you need them. who s this guy? oh that s charlie. you ever put pepper spray on your burrito? i like it spicy but not like uggggh spicy. he always like this? you have no idea. at&t. the nation s most reliable 4g lte network. alriwe need to do somethinguble widifferent. ranch. callahan s? ehh, i mean get away, like, away away. road trip? double wings, extra ranch. feels good to mix it up. the all-new, fuel-efficient volkswagen golf tdi clean diesel. up to 594 miles of adventure in every tank. welcome back. i m jim sciutto in new york. and we want to bring you up to date on new developments in the case of hannah graham. they is the 18-year-old university of virginia student who disappeared in the early morning hours of september 13th, 35 days ago. police say they discovered today human remains just outside of charlottesville. the remains have not yet been identified, but police have been in contact with hannah graham s family, her parents, john and susan graham, and they are now classifying the case as a death investigation. hannah graham was last seen after midnight last month in downtown charlottesville. she was seen on surveillance video, seen here, as was 32-year-old jesse matthew. police believe that he is the last person to see her alive, and, in fact, he s already been charged with abduction in connection to this case. i want to bring back our guest, jean casarez, and fbi assistant director tom fuentes and criminal defense attorney, danny cevallos. if i could begin with you, jean, just a statement coming out from the police now here, talking about the discovery around noon today, which is interesting. as you had said earlier today, you were told an area had been roped off, taped off around there. they re now asking for anyone who recalls seeing suspicious activity vehicles along this area in the last month or around the time she disappeared. this is the next stage now. they re looking at this scene, trying to find other clues. describe what happens now, what more can they gain from this area? this is a crime scene. this is now an official crime scene, and that tape should be around it for quite a while, because you cannot discover all of the secrets, all of the mysteries that may lie within that scene in a matter of hours. so we will hope they will continue to comb that scene. the body of the human remains, who is believed to be possibly hannah graham, has been taken to the medical examiner s office in richmond. that will be an autopsy. and if the remains are intact, it will be a normal forensic autopsy. if they are skeletal remains, they may have to bring in forensic anthropologists, which is what they do. and so we need to see if that happens. once the autopsy is concluded, then cause of death and manner of death are two critical components that hopefully they will be able to find. well, you mentioned a detail while we were on break, she was very tall. she was 5 11 so even before you have a dna identification, you would have an indication just based on the height of the body as to whether this was her. not only the height, none of her clothes have been found. her phone has not been found. anything she had. and we all know what she was wearing, because we saw that surveillance tape of her. and we have heard over and over again in the press conferences, look for this top, look for these black pants so if any clothes were there, that would be a clear indication, also. tom fuentes, former fbi assistant director. odd moment today, because you have them making an announcement tied to this case, describing a call to her parents after these remains are found, be even without positive i.d. what does that tell you about what else they found at the scene that would indicate they had found the body that they were looking for? well, it indicates to me, jim, that we don t know what they found in addition to finding the remains. but it must have been enough to give them a pretty good idea that it was probably her. but the difficulty now, this is going to be a very difficult forensic investigation, because there was no doubt that she was with jesse matthew. so the fact at the scene if they find hairs, fibers, dna from him, around her or on her clothing, you would expect that. we already know they were together. the next hard thing is how did she die, what s the cause of it, was a weapon involved and can they find it. and can they link the cause of her death directly to him. these are big questions, danny cevallos. you have prosecuted cases like this, defended cases like this. you have a lot of indicators here. you have a suspect who has already been charged with abduction, seen on video with her. you had other witnesses describe seeing her with him the night she disappeared. you have a history with him, a dna tied to a previous missing girl in the same area, as well as accusations of sexual assault going back ten years. when you look at those pieces, and granted, these are very early pieces. but when you look at those pieces, how strong a case do you see building here against the suspect, jesse matthew? well, i ve actually defended a no-body murder prosecution. and interestingly enough, as i mentioned a little bit earlier, sometimes the prosecution can benefit from not having a body. although they certainly would prefer to have one. because they can raise a lot of questions that nobody, including the defense, can answer. when there is no body. consider, for example, if this body shows any fiber or dna evidence of anybody else. right? like we just discussed, there will be some evidence that this suspect was around her, which we already know. but what if this body contains fiber from some other place, from some other person, and you can definitively point to another human being as potentially being around her. in a way, the defense actually gets can potentially get easier if there are con founding factors. if there is new evidence that points in a different direction. now, on the other hand, if you find body type evidence like semen on a victim that will not bode well. it s been great to have you throughout these last couple hours, as we have learned this sad and sobering news for the family of hannah graham. and that whole community that s been looking for her. everybody pitching in and really in an unprecedented search for any clues and now finding today what they hoped not to find. but perhaps evidence for a prosecution against the perpetrator. thank you for joining us as we followed that. coming up, we re going to follow and update you on the other major story we have been following which is on the ebola outbreak. this question, would you clean up the apartment of an ebola victim? we are about to meet the guy who said yes to that task. responsible for cleaning the ebola patient s residences and the hospital. i m going to ask him how he feels about his job, and what dangers he faces on a daily basis. please stay with us. and sometimes i struggle to sleep at night,nd. and stay awake during the day. this is called non-24, a circadian rhythm disorder that affects up to 70 percent of people who are totally blind. talk to your doctor about your symptoms and learn more by calling 844-824-2424. or visit your24info.com. don t let non-24 get in the way of your pursuit of happiness. they re known today throughout dallas for cleaning up thomas eric duncan s hospital room and his girlfriend s apartment. and the apartment belonging to the first u.s. nurse who contracted ebola, nina pham. the company is called cg environmental. they re known as the cleaning guys. owner eric mccallum joins me live from dallas. eric, you re in a difficult business at a difficult time when there is enormous fear of this disease, perhaps too much fear. but you re really at the tip of the spear here. can you describe to our viewers what you have to do to make one of these rooms safe? well, we ve well, we ve got specific protocols that we follow. we tan for biological. and this is a biological event. we wear protect ive gear, of course. the correct protect ef gear. when we go into a home or, say the hospital here, we have steps that we take for disinfecting things. we have the ability to use chemicals that a lot of other people, of course, can t use or purchase. and, of course, the gear, on the removal of the gear, that s, you know, the most important part of this whole event is getting the gear off and getting it off properly, after it s been disinfected. yes, as interesting as this is, we ve been watching video there as you re talking when your team was cleaning out that apartment. i m struck by the gear you were wearing, cheer hi, top-of-the-line. it s cheerily b ee s clearly mo some of the workers were wearing when they were treating ebola. are there national guidelines that tell you how to be a hundred percent safe? there are the cdc does have guidelines. we do go over and beyond what the guidelines are. that they recommend for this. we take it very seriously. i won t ahow my guys to go on any of these scenes without more than enough gear. so we go over the top. you re hearing stories of folks that just didn t want to get involved. it was difficult initially to find the companies that do what you re willing to do. do you have people that work for your company that say this is too much? i m not going to go in there and clean out anything if ebola is involved. again, we train for biological. we never thought this would come to our country. this is what we train for and this is a biological event. if the protocols are followed correctly and the gear is removed and disinfected properly, then there s real hi no risk of getting ebola. it s when you cut corners and not fol hoe the protocol that, you know, those things happen. i think that s an important message. i think that s an important message for our audience that you make this, eric, that there are ways to prevent transmission of this disease. and if you follow these protoco protocols, then you re safe. that s exactly correct. now, your company has an interesting role that i imagine our viewers might not be aware of. but you re caring for nin nina fomm s dog, benthy. how do you do that? and how did you end up doing that? well, to be clear, right now, this s some veterinarians there and, yes, we have been there. and from what i m being told, we re going to be turned back onto that dog again. but, you know, we go in, we bring the dog out of his cage and, of course, you know, feed him and play with him and, you know, give him some interaction. this is a very important aspect of our job. we realize this animal is very important to nina and we want to be sure that the dog is well taken care of because i would want my dogs to be well taken care of if i was laying in that bed. so we take top priority on that, for sure. we feed and clean and do all the things that need to happen with the dog when we re there. well, you re doing a difficult job and it s an important job, part of the overall response to this. thanks very much for what you do. thank you very much for having me. thanks for joining us. the other major story we re foll following, a body found in the search for missing uva student. we ll update you after this break. i got this. 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who have been training several months for this very moment. that is the story from new york city. the one that new york knew eventually would appear here. today, governor quo moe and chris christie ordered a mandatory 21 day quarantine of all workers who have had contact with patients of west africa. tonight, a woman arrived at newark international liberty airport and on the screening she said she had, in fact, been in contact with ebola. this footage may pertain to that. the woman in question did not show any symptoms of the disease, according to governor christie. she will be quarantined under the new rules with the location to be determined. back here in new york, yesterday, what they have been preparing for, happened. the months of training and preparation that have been put into this effort has paid off. ems drilled for white a while knowing the day might come when they might have to deal with a patient with ebola. the process played out literally to the tee. they executed exactly correctly. here s how they have prepared. 9-1-1 operators were trained to triage out people people who might be at risk for ebola. the emt were instructed to wear hazmat suits to cover the entire body. intensive training sessions in concert with the state department of health, the city department of health and the cdc. bellevue was designated as the site for any patients turning up in new york city. the city even tested 11 new york city hopts by sending people who pretend to have ebola-like symptoms to catch any failures in following protocols. all of this came at 11:00 a.m. yesterday having registered a fever of 100.3, nine days after departing guinea called his employers, doctors without borders, who then called the health department. who then called 9-1-1. 9-1-1 then dispatched that specialized emt unit and he was taken by this ambulance and police elscort straight to bellevue. more than 24 hours later, dr. spencer is in stable condition. his precise treatment confidential. he is talking on a cell phone with friends and family. his fiance and two friends are in quarantine. medical detectives have medically corroborated spencer s travels around the city matching his narrative to his cell phone, credit card and met ro card records just in case he failed to mention something of note. officials stress that dr. spenszer had not been registering a fever and was highly, highly unlikely to be contagio contagious. the mayor road the subway today to help ease the fears. joining me now is commissioner of the new york city department of health and mental hygiene. i should say in full disclosure, my father works for the department of health. we ll get that out of the way. so tell me how it is 24 hours after the beginning of this process? well, you gave a really blow-by-blow account of how it happened. today, dr. spencer remains in stable condition. we have confirmation of his ebola test result by the cdc. some of the rest ranaurants tha visited we went as part of our medical detective work to just ensure gee, it s pretty noisy out here. it s new york city. yes, indeed. just the story that he told was confirmed by the managers it s almost like detectives tracing back an alibi. not because you have reason to suspect him, but just because memory is no, we just want to be sure. so you want to see if he was here and he was there this amount of time. you want to make sure he wasn t vomiting there or something or something that would present some kind of elevated risk that you didn t have. that s exactly right. he s a doctor. well aware of the risks of ebola. so he has been a very good informant. obviously, there s been a learning curve here. we ve seen it. we saw texas presbyterian hospital. we ve seen it in terms of how new york has responded. the newly-announced quarantine would have applied to dr. spencer. your views only that policy announcement? it just made news today. we don t have anything in writing yet. i m looking forward to seeing the written document. i ve been assured by the state health department commissioner that i ll have a chance to look at it. but you re right. it would have applied to him as a doctor returning from having treated ebola patients. and the protocol there would be essentially kind of a house arrest situation? quarantine, that s not a bad way of describing it. of course, i m looking forward to reviewing this. one of the things i ll be interested in trying to assess is what impact it will have on our public health response in africa. as you know, there s an absolutely tragic epidemic there. this is a real issue. you re someone i don t know if people know this about you. you spent a lot of time actually working on infectious diseases in west africa. southern africa, zimbabwe. one of the things that is on the balancing sheet here is people don t love the idea of people coming back infected with ebola and then presenting symptoms. at the same time, you don t want to do things to disincentiviize people who have the tremendous courage and go treat where it s needed most. that s kind of the balancing act here? that s exactly right. under this new rule, we have to look at what impact it would have for them to go straight into quarantine for 21 days, on the basis of having treating patients with ebola. i want to talk about what s happening in that building where dr. spencer is being treated. the record here in the u.s. is very good with one exception, thomas duncan treated in texas. all the other patients have been transferred to specialized places. this is a test case in a hopt that isn t one of those specialized hospitals treating an ebola patient. and do you think the resources are su fisht to do it. bellevue hospital has been preparing for months now. they have everything lined up. and, you re right, people in the united states have done much better than patients in africa. we know that people coming in for care early usually do much better. i m confident in the doctors here at bellevue. we do have some breaking news. we are able to confirm the woman from newark was taken to university hospital. that woman, we do not know if that was her in the ambulance, the footage of the ambulance that was being greeted with people in hazmat suits. but we do know the woman directed under the new jersey and new york state policy to be quarantined those having been in exposure to ebola parents. that woman was taken to university hopt. we can confirm that. and what this will do is until the epidemic is brought under control, there will be particular sporadic cases as long as you have these medical professionals going there to treat it. well, we really intend to keep health workers safe. the use of personal protective e kwi quipment is designed for that purpose. they have to be trained in its use and practice its use. but we have thousands of people with ebola in west africa. and that s really what we have to bring under control. when was the first time that you sat down or you and the mayor sat down or you and the health commissioner sat down and said we need a plan here. we started at the end of july. we issued our first guidance on august 11 elt. wow. so end of july, what was it? just the fact that we had m medivaced a few americans back here? well, this is new york city. and this is a global city. but eventually, it will land here, whatever it is. so we have a really busy airport. it s one of the top 20 busiest airports in the world. people come here from everywhere. we ve always loved that about new york city. and it also means that we are a global gateway, including for people who might arrive with ebola. so we thought we better get a plan in place. we got it in place. yesterday, it really worked perfectly. all of us worked together. we got the patient into a save place. we ve tracked down all of his movements and people he s been in touch with and we re feeling like it was a kbood day. he is in a place where he can get good care and we have really shown our ability to respond to a patient with ebola in new york city. but, you know, look. i think there is a sense in which people don t know infectious diseases and communicability and they know there s germs, generally. but what is the message to new yorkers? you have to exchange bodily fluids, you have to be around someone who s very sick and at the end stage. but is the general message, look, it s fine and the system right now is working? that s the general message. that we are that we had a plan, we itch leapted the plan, that ed seamlessly and that the doctor entered care on the first day that he had a fever. great pleasure to have you here. thank you very much for coming out. thanks a lot. good luck. lot of noise. yeah, there is. we also have a statement out from the new jersey department of health on the case of the woman sent into mandatory quarantine under the new policy announce d today. this evening, the health care worker developd a fever and is now in isolation and being evaluated at university hospital in newark. we can now confirm via new jersey state health officials, that woman has been quarantined and has developed a fever. so that is the latest we know. dr. barrett, thank you very much. all right. much more to come. but, first, the other big, wraeking news story we ve been following today. a school shooting in washington state. one student and the shooter are dead and four other seriously injured. the latest details in a few minutes. uhh. um. hold on. introducing the all-new volkswagen golf. plenty of room for whatever life throws at you. it s a fresh approach on education superintendent of public instruction tom torlakson s blueprint for great schools. torlakson s blueprint outlines how investing in our schools will reduce class sizes, bring back music and art, and provide a well-rounded education. and torlakson s plan calls for more parental involvement. spending decisions about our education dollars should be made by parents and teachers, not by politicians. tell tom torlakson to keep fighting for a plan that invests in our public schools. much more on breaking news. we have just learned that the health care worker that we ve been talking about who had recently had contact with ebola patients and taken to university hospital per pursuant to a new rule is taken to the hospital. there is good news tonight about the first person testing positive with ebola, nina fomm. the details all ahead. 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well, chris, we ve actually now moved to harbor view medical center, right outside the main medical center here in the seattle area where two of the patients are behind me. marysville is about 40 miles to the north of seattle. two of them are there and two are behind us. behind us, we ve got a 15-year-old brought here early this afternoon with a very serious head injury. the first person brought here was a 14-year-old. six people involved in this. it all happened at 10:39 this morning, when a freshman walks into this cafeteria and gets into an argument over a girl, sources tell us, and opens fire. six people. he injures five before killing himself. so two people here, two people in everett following a very scary afternoon in marysville. it s a high school of about 2,0 0. we just learned a bit of good news. they were going to play a big football game and the team they were going to play called them and said you know what, you guys can take first place, we ll take second. let s not even worry about it. let s focus on marysville tonight. and that s what they ll do. one of the most chilling details was that the school had actually prepared and had a lockdown procedure in place and an alarm in a way of responding to a school shooting situation because squochool shooting dril have become, essentially, common place throughout the country and those are put into place today. they sure were. it nevaer is real until it is real. we had a hard time believing in our news room when we learned of this. getting back a little bit earlier this year, the seattle pacific shooting. and now this. six people entered in the marysville school involving a kid that everyone describes as a very personalble kid. crowned homecoming prince just a few weeks ago. it s truly devastating. alex in seattle, thank you very much. joining me now is democratic congressman gym mjim mcdermot w represents washington state. congressman, thank you for joining me, this is a pretty awful scene to digest. it sure is. hard to understand how this young man did this. he doesn t fit any of the stereotypes that we ordinarily think of. one of the things that is strange about the news over the past couple months as we sift through acts of violence is aat the present timing, essentially, in the aftermath, to find motive, and we ve done that with man shot in the ottawa parliament and everyone has been sifting through this young man s facebook page and basically, finding what is, by all accounts, normal high school freshman as you could possibly find. it seems that way. what is sort of startling when you look back on it, the number of school shootings we ve had this year, very often, the congress will come in and have a moment of silence. it seems like this week it s krth krt connecticut, next week it s washington state, the following week it s another state. it seems we have an epidemic of violence in schools that we have not been able to address. i was in the congress in 92 when we had an assault rifle ban because of an assault in california. we haven t done anything in the congress since in terms of trying at the congressional level to try to deal with this. the nra really runs the gun legislation in all legislatures, whether it s the national legislature or the state legislature. we can t get gun legislature through. the state of washington has a gun initiative on the ballot in a week, ten days from now, and it is to close one of the loopholes by which people can buy handguns at gun at meetings where people come together and say i ve got a gun for sale, you want one? so we re going to close that loophole, i think, in the state of washington because the congress has been able to do nothing. my understanding is there are two ballot initiatives, one to close the loophole and one which would actually expand access to guns and both of them will be on the ballot in your state in 10 days. yes. the seco one, which is 591, was put out by the nra to confuse people. they say oh, this doesn t do this doesn t change anything. what it does is it says that everything that s going to be done has to be done on the basis of what s done in washington, d.c. now, they know that they can prevent any legislation through the u.s. congress. we couldn t get an extension on the assault weapon ban. it s perfectly legal to bring an assault weapon onto a school campus, according to the national law. so they know they have control. they came into the state and running this initiative trying to derail 594, which is the one that would say we re going to close the loophole. i think the voters are start enough in the state of washington, we ll close the loophole and tell the nra to stay out of seattle. congressman jim mcdermott of washington, thank you very much. i should note we have no indication at this moment about how that .40 caliber weapon he used was acquired. we have not been able to ind pen debitly verify that suggest he was going hunting on a regular basis as a hobble bee. but we don t know, as of this moment, whether that gun that he used today in this groo sm, gruesome, gruesome crime was acquired legally or not. we just learned some more details on the case of a health care worker who has been quarantined in nj nnl and we ll have more on the ebola case here in new york. don t go away. that sow it works. i mean it s so simple. it s like my car insurance. i saved 15% in fifteen minutes. well esurance could have saved you money in half that time. three in a row! sweet! 15 minutes for a quote isn t so sweet. level 2! start with a quote from esurance and you could save money on car insurance in half the time. welcome to the modern world. esurance, backed by allstate. click or call. the smartest or nothing. the quietest or nothing. the sleekest. .sexiest, .baddest, .safest, .tightest, .quickest, .harshest. .or nothing. at mercedes-benz, we do things one way or we don t do them at all. introducing the all-new c-class. the best or nothing. no sign of him yet. keep looking. 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what do you think about that? well, i can understand why people are upset and concern. the reality is it s when you re in the early stages of this virus infection, it s very difficult to transmit from person-to-person. if the doctor had influenza, then, yeah, there s a lot of risk. but this is not a virus transmitted by the aerosol route. unless you come in drekt contact of blood or other bodily fluids so you don t think it s irresponsible? well, i can t answer it that way. you can argue that anyone comes from an isolated country should ice la isolate themselves for at least a week or two. but the risk of infecting somebody on this train is essentially zero. we re on a rush hour train, it s packed, we re close together. walk me through the microbiology between the flu, which i could get from you and the microbiology of ebola, which i can t. so let s talk about several different diseases. so one of them is the common cold caused by a rhinovirus infection. you ve got snotty nose and you re touching your secretions and wipe your nose and shake someone s hand. that will transmit the infection because then you ll inoculate yourself by putting it in your eyes or your mouth. or it can alert fomites. that s really grossing me out. it only can live for a short term. and that s why, you know, if you do a lot of airline travel, you get colds. so fomites, which the common cold or the flu? now, the flu, in addition to being transmited by that, by the route we just diskszed, with the flu, what happens is if you cough and you cough on an inert surface, you can pick up the virus that way. or, if i cough into your mouth and your nose or sneeze, you can get it. so that s the way people think of transmission. and they know they can get it that s only because it s two infections people know about. infectious diseases are transmitted by all sorts of routes. mosquitos. they won t trance miz mitt it bt route. right. so you can t get malaria by riding next to someone? that s right. it requires a mosquito. because it is injected through the blood. that s right. and that s adapted to the mosquito. that s why we call them arbo vie russs. or arbo infection. so the common cold or the flu, i m exposing myself right here. so the difference with ebola is what? the difference with ebola is two-fold. one, it s not transmitted by the aerosolized route, as far as we know. that s point one. so the coughing and the snuzing and this things i m thinking about are not spreading out? that s right. the other key important point is if you re well enough to walk around, the virus in your body is extreme hi low. the virus what makes it so scary or so deadly is that it s a massively potent thing that expape expands exponentiahly in your blood. ebola virus and the early stages of infection. and the first week that you have it, first o all, you re not having any symptoms. a even when you have sittoms, the amount of ebola virus in your body is very low. that s why you don t just get ebola virus walking around monrovia and liberia. how many people live in liberia? liberia, a population of 26 million people. ironically, about the same size as the population of texas. and we ve got about 5,000 cases. we re at almost 10,0000 cases now, 5,0 0 deaths. it s still a relatively rare disease at this point. so one of the numbers that i used, the three infected countries have roughly the same population as the state of texas. in texas, every year, we have 1 1,000-2,000 a year who die in drunk driving accidents. remember, who are those people getting infected? it s only people taking care of sick ebola patients in the hospital. what happens is right now, if you ask me what am i worried about in new york? what i m worried about are the nurszs and health care professionals taking care of dr. spencer. in dallas, none of the out patient contacts. it was only the community. thank you. during this time of high anxiety of ebola, it is so important that the president gave this woman a huge bear hug and i ll tell you why next. 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we re live here and what you saw there was congressman isa in capitol hill today. they regularly point out that they are quote not a scientist when asked about climate change. republican lawmakers today had no problem questioning public health officials. are you in charge of being prepared. i am in charge of being prepared. okay. then i think you need to turn your resignation in. i can tell you it s not working. all you ve got to do is look at craig spencer. the head of the cdc was wrong. might we be more ready if you hadn t spent $39 million on puppet shows for pre-schoolers? republicans question the preparations taken for an outbreak and their recommendations to health departmentcare workers this the public. many called for a full-out travel ban, an idea deemed counter productive by health officials. if you were to put a travel ban in effect, for example, you would have people coming into this country who we wouldn t know were here. we wouldn t even know how to find them or monitor them. officials did say today they re learning from the outbreak and tightening their belts as a response. congressman, always good to talk to you. good to see you, chris. first, i want to get your response to this new policy announced this afternoon which is going to be essentially by executive order. we still don t have paper on it, so we don t know under what authority and what the protocol is. but they have announced mandatory quarantined for those who are screened in incoming air ports as having had exposure. i think en route, it appears, to university hospital. what do you think of this new policy? i think it s an important step in the right direction and i think it s reasonable. the governors of both states have decided to proceed with an abun ddance of caution given th fact that we have our first ebola case. we live close to each other. we work close to each other. we travel close to each other. i think it s a reasonable step to take at this given moment. i should noet that the video that we re seeing by the people being greeted in hazmat gear, we do not know if that is the woman in question. i ve got to say, it s a little hard to stomach watching the house oversight hearings here because at one level, i think there are criticisms to be made. and i think the situation that happened at texas presbyterian was less than ideal and there were some breakdowns there. at the other level, i don t really want to listen to infectious disease advice or turn this over to what is the least trusted institution in american life. well, the problem with congressional republicans is that hypocrisy is not a restraint. these are republicans who are responsible for hundreds of billions of dollars worth of cuts to the nih, to the center for disease control, to the health health department a health and human sfszs department. cuts that have had an impact. you can t just dramatically cut government agencies that are important and expect that these government agencies will be ability to perform at optimal level. but do you think it is the case it seems to me that you could make a case that these two things were ind pen dent. that whatever happened was ind pen kent of funding constraints. well, certainly as it relates to the texas case. but i think that in two important areas, one, the cuts in funding to the nhnih, over a ten-year period, have limited the ability to make further progress on the vaccine. so that is a clear, caus causal relationship to deal with the situation. and our ability to detect earlier what was happening in these west african countries was hampered, in large measure, by cuts to the government that were made with our reaction to west africa. listen, you can t on the one hand claim that the obama administration has dropped the ball or other health executives have dropped the ball without taking some of the responsibility for the things that have happened. so the kind of policy dujor that everyone sees running around is the travel ban. and i was thinking about dr. craig spencer and it seems to me you ve got this crazy thing because you can t have a travel ban because that will restrict medical professionals from going there. and then e then people say you d have a loophole for medical professionals. but as we are are seeing, they are, by far, the most likely people to get it. sew what the hell is the point of the travel ban? well, it s a very complex situation. and i understand why there s some appeal to a travel ban. but this is very complicated in terms of who actually is most likely to acquire ebola based on their travels. and there s no reason to believe that an out right travel ban that would prohibt to get this thing under control. and what we re seeing is those are the people, frankly, who are, by far, running the greatest riszing. if we re going to see cases here, it s some of the thank you. good to see you. much more on the breaking news. i m in new jersey tonight where we just learned that dr. craig spencer is now being quarantined under a mantorial order from the governor and reporting that she was giving medical care to ebola patients. stay with us. twhat do i do?. you need to catch the 4:10 huh? the equipment tracking system will get you to the loading dock. there should be a truck leaving now. i got it. now jump off the bridge. what? in 3.2.1. are you kidding me? go. right on time. right now, over 20,000 trains are running reliably. we call that predictable. thrillingly predictable. health can change in a minute. so cvs health is changing healthcare. making it more accessible and affordable, with over 900 locations for walk-in medical care. and more on the way. minuteclinic. another innovation from cvs health. because health is everything. get to the terminal across town. are all the green lights you? 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we won a great victory in the state of washington a few months ago. we just won oregon. and we re going to win california. i am getting to like the west coast. meanwhile, let s turn it over to the republican side. donald trump edging closer to the magic number of delegates. the win in oregon with 66% of the vote as of now. john kasich and ted cruz both far behind at 16%. trump is now just 62 delegates away from the 1,237 he needs to officially clinch the party s nomination. trump tweeted this message to his supporters. congratulations to the movement. we have just won the great state of oregon. the vote percentage is even higher than anticipated. thank you. joining us now is cnn s senior washington correspondent jeff zeleny, who is traveling with the sanders campaign. jeff, a mixed night for bernie sanders. a win in oregon but a defeat in kentucky. however, judging from senator sanders comments there in california, tonight s results haven t altered the dynamics of this race and no one should be holting their breath for him to drop out soon. reporter: you re absolutely right about that. i mean we heard a defiant bernie sanders tonight. he split the delegates in kentucky. he won in oregon. so he leaves tonight with more delegates than he started. the math hasn t changed, though. hillary clinton still has a commanding lead going into the final month of contests. but bernie sanders indicated that he s going to keep fighting. he s going to keep fighting for california. he s going to keep fighting until every last vote is counted. and i heard a more defiant bernie sanders tonight. he says donald trump needs to be defeated, but he also said hillary clinton needs to be defeated. so there was no unifying this democratic party tonight here in california. jeff, i m just curious. we have thousands and thousands of supporters there at that rally there for bernie sanders. and as you mentioned, the math hasn t changed. it s still practically mathematically impossible for sanders to win the nomination. has that registered with those voters, or do they still think that bernie sanders is in there with a chance that he could end up being the democrat nominee? reporter: john, it definitely has not registered with him. i think you can say he is not exactly helping them make this register. he is saying that, you know, he will go to the end. and no one is saying that he shouldn t. even the clinton campaign is, you know, saying he has the right to stay in. but i think he can make the argument that he is not exactly leveling with his supporters here about how difficult this is. and it s not just about the super delegates, those party officials we talked so much about. it is actually in pledged delegates. there are not enough pledged delegates remaining in the final month here for him to overtake hillary clinton. super delegates would have to change their mind in droves here. so you can make the argument that he s not leveling with his supporters. jeff zeleny, thank you for being with us. we appreciate it. thanks, jeff. well, joining us now, democratic strategist dave jacobson and republican consultant john thomas. the big race tonight. there hasn t been a finish this close in kentucky since grindstone won the derby in a photo finish back in 1996. the clinton campaign, they spent a lot of money. they outspent bernie sanders. hillary clinton spent a lot of time in the state. she won the statement overwhelmingly in 2008. tonight, by .5%. bernie sanders is giving her a run for her money. i think it s really a testament to the fact that people are angry. they re frustrated. and his message is continuing to gain momentum. he was here in los angeles this evening. he turned out 11,000 people. you know what that means, john? that means the democrats are not done with this race. they want the primary to continue. you ve got montana. you ve got the dakotas, new mexico, california, new jersey. there s a lot of states coming up, and people want to express their frustration with the system and the fact that he believes that the system is rigged. and he s tying the democratic primary to wall street and what s going on in washington with the status quo being broken. and his message is resonating. it means the democratic base isn t in love with hillary clinton. the fact is they can t consolidate behind one candidate and that doesn t bode well because every day that goes by, trump is working day by day to consolidate his base. hillary is still fighting from the left. you talk about the issue of unite there in the democratic party, as we know hillary clinton didn t speak tonight. she put out a tweet, and she said this. she said, we just won kentucky. thanks to everyone who turned out. we re always stronger united. the issue of unity being invoked there. that was picked up by the clinton campaign, a statement saying we are confident that the passion and energy from the primary will be united in a common purpose to move forward the ideals of our party and keep the white house out of donald trump s hands. now, this invoking of unity of course referencing what we saw in nevada. we saw those ugly scenes in the convention there. they may be calling for unity, but the question is, is that slipping out of reach? i mean i ve got to ask you that. well, i don t think so. if you go back eight years ago when hillary clinton was campaigning still in may, polls were showing 40% of her supporters said they weren t going to support barack obama. only 25% of bernie sanders supporters are saying that. so we re in a much better position this time. i do think it is a point of concern that there is violence spurring at some of these bernie sanders rallies. it s not equal to what we saw at donald trump s campaign, but it s something we ve got to watch out for. part of the big story is if you look at the right direction, wrong track direction of the country, nearly 60% of the people in america think we re on the wrong track and hillary clinton has largely positioned herself as barack obama s third term. that s problematic as we go into a general election. hillary clinton is staying away from the violence and chaos in nevada. she s leaving the talking to senior democrats, in particular the party chair woman, debbie wasserman schultz, and she was stinging about bernie sanders. listen to this. unfortunately, the senator s response was anything but acceptable. it certainly did not condemn his supporters for acting violently or engaging in intimidation tactics and instead added more fuel to the fire. so, dave, is patience running out with bernie sanders? i mean is he going to conkey ohty to ralph nato? he s fanning the flames. the reality is this was supposed to be a coronation. we re supposed to be done after iowa. hillary clinton is supposed to lock this thing up. now we re going all the way to the convention, right? we re not even just going to california on june 7th. we re going to the d.c. primary the next week. what a difference a couple weeks makes because a couple weeks ago, my side was preparing the right gear for their convention. now it s going to be more of a beauty pageant than it is on anything. the man himself, bernie sanders, as he talks about his determination to stay in this race. take a listen. many of the pundits and politicians, they say bernie sanders should drop out. [ booing ] the people of california should not have the right to determine who the next president will be. well, let me be as clear as i can be. i agree with you. we are in till the last ballot is cast. all right. the question has to be what logic is he operating under right now? i mean we know the math. we say this i mean it s been a long time that this race has been set with it looking improbable that he could get the nomination. so what logic is he operating under where he thinks that he could still pull this out of the bag? you know, there is an open investigation with the fbi, and i m not just saying that as a partisan hack. there is a theory in which you know, there is a theory in which she could be pulled out of this race. he s staying in this as long as he can. and quite frankly the more the wasserman shuttles rallies, it reinforces his message. with the fbi investigation, it s like the gift that keeps on giving to the republicans. you ve got these warmed over talking points that continue to be repeated. i think it s an issue. i think that s part of the reason why he s staying in the race. i think ultimately he s trying to revolutionize the political process. overall, all across the country on both sides of the aisle but particularly with the democratic process, he s really got an issue with these super delegates and that independents can t participate in the process. he wants to make the democratic party more open and accessible. i think that s what he s going to drive home is changing the process, reforming the super delegates and allowing independents to participate in the process. while it doesn t look like sanders is going to be the nominee and it is scary to republicans that a socialist could be our president, all of our republicans are high-fiving each other going berne, baby, berne. the longer this stretches out listening to bernie sanders, and maybe i m reading way too much into this because i ve listened to so many speeches by bernie sanders. but in that sound bite we just heard, he finished by saying until the last ballot is cast or counted. i mean he always used to say until the conventions. i mean are we now looking at a situation where he is just going to the last primary and then he s done? we re not going to have any problems at the convention? it s possible. there was a story actually this week that came out in politico that said that some people within the bernie sanders campaign, actual staffers and volunteers and supporters said he needs to dismantle his campaign immediate after the voting is over and figure out how he can best help the democrats prevent donald trump from winning in november. there s talk, but we haven t seen anything concrete yet. you re also seeing some staff defections in different parts of the sanders campaign. i think the rosie picture looks great for tv. internally, i imagine these campaigns are in a much different situation. we ve got to talk about the long-awaited interview between donald trump and megyn kelly that aired tonight on the fox network. finally sitting down and, you know, a lot of interest in how this would play out, the dynamics and what would emerge. one of the things that was striking about the interview is donald trump expressing some level of regret, if you will, about statements he s made regarding women including heidi cruz and carly fiorina. take a listen to a little bit of that. let me just give you a list of a couple and tell me whether you have any regrets on it. the comment about john mccain. you prefer people who weren t captured. the comment about carly fiorina s face. but do you regretny of those comments? yeah, i guess so. but you have to go forward. you make a mistake, you go forward, and you you know, you can correct the mistake. but to look back and say, gee, whiz, i wish i didn t do this or that, i don t think that s good. i don t even think in a certain way, i don t think that s healthy. do you know what this is like? this is like arthur fonzarelli. i was wr-wr-wr. just a smidgen of regret. just say it. i was wrong. this is as close to an apology as we re ever going to see from donald trump, and quite frankly, kudos to him. he s making leaps and bounds in this process. okay. we also have look, he s come a long way. from a guy who wouldn t even apologize to his mother, now he s saying he regrets a thing or two. on the issue of women, donald trump s got a long way to go to make up for his high negatives with women. so he did have an endorsement of sorts from his wife, melania. she did an interview with du jour magazine. this is what she said. we know the truth. he s not hitler. he wants to help america. he wants to unite people. they think he doesn t, but he does. even with the muslims, it s temporary. okay. so out of this, what? he s not hitler? you know, this is not exactly the kind of ringing endorsement you need, is it? he has been called a tyrant, but right. but the fact even his wife is recognizing he has ground to make up. and i think his wife and his daughters are going to be excellent surrogates as we go through this process. but we re starting to see it. he sat down with megyn kelly tonight. we re going to see he s got to make up ground because he s going to win this election because he turns out angry white men at the end of the day. but he can t hemorrhage women like is happening today. take a step back and think about the moment where your party s perspective nominee has been compared to hitler. by his wife. and you are having to louis c.k., the comedian maybe our own spouses are a different thing, but we re used to that treatment, yeah. we ll see you next hour. thanks for being with us. a short break here. when we come back, bernie sanders says he wants a revolution, but it seems like things could throw the national convention into chaos. plus donald trump and fox news host megyn kelly go head to head in a sit-down interview. why some are questioning if their feud was ever real. the 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easy win for the presumptive republican nominee in oregon. donald trump got 66% of the vote. even though they ve suspended their campaigns, john kasich followed in second place. ted cruz in third. and a razor thin win for hillary clinton in kentucky s democratic primary. clinton beat sanders by less than 2,000 votes. bernie sanders was the winner in oregon with 53% of the vote right now. let s talk more about this megyn kelly interview. it was really hyped. everybody was looking forward to it, i guess. you weren t? okay. so one of the key crucial questions in this interview was all about how this feud began with that question from megyn kelly to donald trump in the fox news debate. i thought it was a fair question. why didn t you? i thought it was unfair. i thought first of all, i didn t think it was really a question. i thought it was more of a statement. that s the first question that i ve ever been asked during a debate and i ve never debated before. my whole life is a debate, but i ve never actually debated before. i m saying to myself, man, what a question. then you have brett doing his thing. i m saying to myself, i ve got two hours of this? i don t really blame you because you re doing your thing. but from my standpoint, i don t have to like it. a softer, kinder, gentler, more, you know, nicer donald trump. i mean it was kind of a love fest. a softer, kinder, gentler donald trump, and also a softer, kinder, gentler megyn kelly. i think that what megyn kelly is in a debate where she s questioning these candidates is different than what she does on her fox news show is different than what she s trying to do here. and what she s trying to do here, as she stated herself is create this sort of barbara walters, oprah winfrey type atmosphere where she can have these really sort of powerful groundbreaking one-on-one interviews. the problem is the expectation going into this was a continuation of this feud, which has really defined what donald trump s relationship with the media has been about for the last nine or ten months. and if you were looking for that, you weren t going to find it in this interview. that being said, as you bring up the names barbara walters and oprah winfrey, you were expecting some revelation. you were expecting to learn something new. did we get that here because, i mean, did we get anything new from this? no, i don t think so. you know, some people look and see donald trump sort of saying, well, i regret, you know, maybe i regret saying one or two things, and we think we re getting a closer look at his personality. we re really not. what we re seeing trump do is charging ahead through whatever controversy happens, through whatever question gets asked and just sort of progressing. this is really interesting because megyn kelly is trying to get at donald trump s temper nlt. this new york times piece is trying to get at who is the real donald trump? what is donald trump s temperament? we have spent ten months with this guy and we still don t have a theory of the case about who he is or what he s about or what drives him. the most we can say is he wants to win. we re not even sure he got into this election to win it. i think the media right now, now that we re pivoting toward the general election, now that we re accepting he s going to be the republican candidate, we re trying to answer that fundamental question. who is he underneath this whole bravado? it was interesting because after the interview was done, trump tweeted this photograph out, all smiles, and he wrote this. well, that is it. well done, megyn, and they all lived happily ever after. now let us all see how the movement does in oregon tonight. some people have made the observation that, you know, this alleged feud between megyn kelly and donald trump is just a con job. do you see it that way? i think it s hard to say that ten months ago, roger ailes, the chief of fox news, and donald trump and megyn kelly sat down in a room and said, all right, let s see how we can further all of our careers. now, that said, everyone has benefited from this. i don t think megyn kelly particularly enjoys the amount of, you know, like threats she s received from donald trump s core supporters. but her career has skyrocketed. she s in a position now where she can be angling for a barbara walters or oprah winfrey type position, and donald trump has benefited because he s going to be the nominee of the republican party. so it s sort of hard to i ll tell you this as a media reporter to have been covering this for nine or ten months and every time donald trump sends out a tweet or fox news responds, the feud is kicking up again when really they re playing off each other and building each other up. trump was asked effectively what this all would mean if indeed he didn t go ahead and win this race. i want you to take a listen to what he said because i thought it was interesting. if i don t go all the way and if i don t win, i will consider it to be a total and complete waste of time, energy, and money. what do you make of that considering some people said he never got into this thinking he could win anyway? i think if you were going you see it in sports all the time. if you are going to get in the game, you have to believe you re going to win and say you re going to win. anything less donald trump is a winner, or at least he broadcasts himself as a winner. you have to convince the american people. you have to leave no doubt that you are in this for real. you know, it s not totally dissimilar from what ted cruz has said when he was on his heels from iowa to later states when he had to say, look, if we don t win here, everything we ve worked for is gone. he will be singing a different tune if he loses the election. just as you said, for megyn kelly, there have been up sides. there would be upsides for donald trump even if this didn t go his way. huge upsides. if you look at what president obama said at the white house correspondents dinner when he was sort of needling the press, he said all this guy wanted to do was boost his hotel brand, and you guys gave him nine or ten months of free coverage. there s been no question this has been great for trump s brand with no however many million voters who have voted for him. dylan, good to see you. short break. when we come back, a big win in oregon and a tight finish in kentucky. despite the odds, bernie sanders says he s not giving up. his message to his supporters is just ahead. plus he s facing pressure to rein them in after an ugly weekend in nevada. what his campaign manager says about that. do stay with us. every ingredient is the main ingredient. the new green goddess cobb with avocado, bacon, freshly made dressing, tomato. and chicken. at panera. food as it should be. no problem. that s a lot of dishes& i ll use a lot of detergent. dish issues? get cascade platinum. one pac cleans tough food better than 6 pacs of the bargain brand combined. cascade. man 1:man 2: 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locking up the democratic nomination. well, more fallout from that ugly scene in nevada when sanders supporters shut down the state democratic party convention. they thought they didn t get the delegates they deserved, and they were outraged. so the nevada party has filed a formal complaint and democratic leaders are worried they will see chaos like this at their national convention in july. no, no, no, no. jefr weaver, campaign manager for bernie sanders, joins us now from burlington, vermont. thanks for being with us. there s a lot of pressure on senator sanders from senior democrats for him to rein in his supporters after the violence in nevada. why hasn t he done that yet. i think it s an overstatement to say there was violence in nevada. there was obviously a lot of chaos at the nevada state convention. bernie sanders has said categorically he condemns any kind of violence or threats that were made against anybody. but people have to understand what went on in nevada. there was a process that was put in place that was clearly geared to sort of create a one-sided outcome. there were voiced votes on the floor which were overruled by the chair, and it became it sort of broke down. once it became very clear, i think, to people that there was not going to be fairness at that convention. look, no one would ever question the right of people to, you know, to ask about the rules, to argue about process. this is politics. but you did mention the democrat chair woman for nevada, her name is roberta lang. she says she s received vile, abusive voicemail and text messages. this is what she said to cnn earlier today. i get threats every one to two seconds on my phone, on my e-mail, on twitter, on facebook. it is endless. in fact, it has gotten worse as time goes on, and it you know, it s awful. they ve attacked my work. i also want to play for you one of those voicemail messages because many of the others just aren t suitable for air. listen to this. this is a citizen in the united states of america and i just wanted to let you know that people like you should be hung in a public execution to show this world that we won t stand for this sort of corruption. i don t know what kind of money they re paying you, but i don t know how you sleep at night. you are a sick, twisted, piece of [ bleep ], and i hope you burn for this. cowardly [ bleep ], running off the stage. i hope people find you. i imagine the sanders campaign would at least condemn that type of behavior. i m wondering if anybody has of course, categorically. we categorically reject and find unacceptable any kind of behavior like that, whether it s vie lens or threats of vie loens or full gerrit that you heard in that phone call. that s absolutely unacceptable in any context. so i don t think there s any disagreement about that certainly. do you think someone from the sanders campaign should reach out to roberta lange and apologize for the sanders supporters have been doing to her because there s been a lot of threats and a lot of text messages. well, we certainly as i said, we condemn it. the senator has said he condemns it 100%. what we are concerned about obviously is to make sure this type of thing does not happen or continue to happen. in addition to that, we want to make sure that we people are aware of what happened in nevada at the state democratic party. there was a horrendous breakdown in the process where the leadership there in nevada hijacked the process on the floor, created a tremendous amount of angst among people who were there attending the convention, who were supporters of senator sanders, by ignoring the regular procedure and ramming through what they wanted to do. it was in terms of a democratic exercise, it was pretty much a disaster. one last thing about the nevada caucus. your national delegates director seemed to be encouraging supporters to take over that event before it started. this is what she said to them. you should not leave. i m going to repeat that. unless you are told by somebody from the campaign, i.e probably me or david, that you can leave, you should not leave. i don t care if the chair is up there herself or whoever the chair is and whoever becomes the chair, you should not leave. so in hindsight, was that perhaps not the best thing to do? in fact, that conclusion that you came to, that that somehow is taking over the convention, apparently you aren t as familiar with how these caucuses work. that is a very standard part of the process. what you don t want your people to do is leave prematurely because often there are recounts during these caucuses, and if your people leave and first you re winning and then you re losing. that is a very standard instruction that are given to delegates at caucuses, to not leave until the campaign says it s okay to go. it has nothing to do with taking over the convention. you know, that kind of conclusion about what that means, i think would only come from somebody who is not all that familiar with how this whole process works. so that is a very standard sort of instruction that s give to delegates at a caucus. don t leave because votes are taken and there are often revotes. of course if your people leave, you lose the revotes. finally there was a poll out today showing sanders a clear favorite among democrats to be hillary clinton s running mate. assuming of course that mr. sanders doesn t win the nomination. if bernie sanders is asked, would he accept? i think he s running for the top spot at the moment. so i think that s what the goal is and that s what the focus is right now. with that, we wish you good luck. thanks for being with us, jeff. thank you, sir. very interesting interview. no apology. notably. all right. time for a quick break. donald trump and the rnc have a new partnership on fund-raising. we ll talk about what it means for the future of the republican party. also ahead, trump sits down with fox news megyn kelly. a question that seems to embarrass 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what a relief to hear all that. well, look, the committee has surrendered several weeks ago after the indiana primary. and i don t find a lot of fault with chairman priebus doing what essentially he s been elected to do, which is to put the apparatus to the party for use for the nominee of the party. and that s what he s doing. obviously, though, throughout the republican world, there remains a lot of hesitation, apprehension, if not outright defiance if trump is the nominee. so let me ask you this. and, james, to you, does this now send a signal to major gop donors that it s time to open up their checkbooks. i think it does, but i don t think that s anything unusual. i mean republican donors are just biting at the bit for the opportunity to get involved in this race. big donors have been sitting it out. i think sherman adelson, who is a big donor in las vegas, said the other day he was willing to put up $100 million to help donald trump get elected president. do the koch brothers now get involve involved? the donors are going to be coming in. what i find more amazing is that rob stutzman is still with the stop hillary campaign. it must be pretty clonelonely u there in sacramento. look, the california republican party is filing in behind trump, as is the rest of the nation, and i do think that the fund-raising agreement that was signed today shows donald trump s commitment to the republican party. we re all in the same boat is what he s saying. rob, just to pick up on something that james just said, is it time to think the unthinkable and actually go out there and vote for a democrat, hillary clinton? well, no, i won t be. i think there s some republicans who are considering that. i think this is truly an election where you have two unsuitable choices for president leading the two major parties. and i m not alone. i think there s a lot of us that are saying it s perfectly okay for republicans. the party of lincoln and reagan and eisenhower to be concerned that someone who is not fit to be president of the united states is going to be the nominee of our party. that also is taking policy positions that are absolutely ant they cal to why most of us are republicans. so, look, this isn t going to go away. we re not trying to get hillary clinton elected either, but there is certainly a principaled position for republicans to settle into for the future of our party to not participate in this. james i want to put this to you, because a lot of republicans especially on the foreign policy side, they are the ones especially worried about donald trump, especially when he says things that are off the cuff like he said to the reuters news agency, that if he was president, he would actually go out and talk to the north koreans. i would speak to him. i would have no problem speaking to him. at the same time, i would put a lot of pressure on china because economically we have tremendous power over china. people don t realize that. you say you would talk to kim? i would speak to him. i have no problem with speaking to him. talking to kim jong-un would be rolling back decades of foreign policy. but our foreign policy has been a complete disaster, and it s been a complete disaster under the democrats. when jimmy carter ran for president in 1976, one of his campaign planks was to remove u.s. troops from south korea. then when clinton was elected, who did he appoint to go and negotiate a nuclear disarment treaty with north korea? jimmy carter. he went to korea, he negotiated with the north koreans, and what happened? he came back with a nuclear disarm ament agreement that allowed the north koreans to have all the nukes they need to have. the democrats have screwed up this policy. i don t think donald trump could do worse. in fact, i think donald trump could bring something fresh to this relationship and maybe get something done on it. but the democrats have been the disaster on north korea. jim, do you agree on disbanding nato? should we disband nato? no, it s not it s not dismantling nato, and you greatly misstate his positions on these issues. what trump has said which is? is that nato can i talk? you asked me a question. let me respond. what trump has said is that nato has come to a point where it has outlived its usefulness as the old nato because nato s a creation of a cold war era that s done. there is no communist government that s in charge in western europe. the only communist government is in china. that doesn t affect nato. the problem that we have now is security. we have all of these problems with international terrorism and with radical islamic terrorism in western europe. he wants to look into an international organization that not only has nato s capabilities but that focuses on the real problems. okay. we ll have to leave that. we didn t get to the question which embarrassed donald trump, but we ll get to it last hour. i think we ll call this rountd a draw between you two. i think it s like round 15 between you and rob. rob, come back next hour. we ll take a short break. bill clinton campaigning for hillary clinton, but one question that seems to follow him and it dates back to the 1990s. plus a woman in virginia wasn t happy in either presidential candidate. what she chose instead when we come back. real is touching a ray. amazing is moving like one. real is making new friends. amazing is getting this close. real is an animal rescue. amazing is over twenty-seven thousand of them. there is only one place where real and amazing live. seaworld. real. amazing the sun ll come out for people with heart failure, tomorrow is not a given. but entresto is a medicine that helps make more tomorrows possible. tomorrow, tomorrow. i love ya, tomorrow in the largest heart failure study ever. entresto helped more people stay alive and out of the hospital than a leading heart failure medicine. women who are pregnant must not take entresto. it can cause harm or death to an unborn baby. don t take entresto with an ace inhibitor or aliskiren. if you ve had angioedema while taking an ace or arb medicine, don t take entresto. the most serious side effects are angioedema, low blood pressure. .kidney problems, or high potassium in your blood. tomorrow, tomorrow i love ya, tomorrow. ask your heart doctor about entresto. and help make tomorrow possible. you re only a day away amazing sleep stays with you all day and all night. sleep number beds with sleepiq technology give you the knowledge to adjust for the best sleep ever. it s the semi-annual sale! save $500 on the memorial day special edition mattress with sleepiq technology. know better sleep. only at a sleep number store. so you don t have to stop., tylenol® 8hr arthritis pain has two layers of pain relief. the first is fast. the second lasts all day. we give you your day back. what you do with it is up to you. tylenol®. welcome back, everybody. we want to take a look now at the matchup for the general election between donald trump and hillary clinton. joining us now for more on that, democratic strategist welcome. thanks for joining the late, late, late show. donald trump tweeted this out today. quote, i look so forward to debating crooked hillary clinton. democratic primaries are rigged. e-mail investigation is rigged. time to get it on. matt, out of all the 17 republicans who began this race, is donald trump the one who is most likely to get under clinton s skin? as for getting under her skin, yes, definitely. that one, i ll say yes. i don t think that his twitter strategy is going to be as effective as it was in the primary. there are about six times as many voters in the general election as there was in the primary and i think trump is going to have a tougher time. he s going to enjoy himself and send out these tweets. did you have concerns about that, a nominee who seems to focus on the fireworks as opposed to detailed policy discussions? it s playing into this presidential cycle just perfectly. he seems to be playing the game really well right now. as someone who worked for ronald reagan and all these comparisons with donald trump and ronald reagan, how does that sit with you? you know, certainly there are so many things that are different about them. but i believe that they re both talking right to the people. they re not talking above them or beneath them. they re talking right to them and something about their message is resonating. and ronald reagan in 1976 and 1980 both was seen as an outsider and would not have been who the party would have chosen. will it be enough to focus just on the insults? i mean going into and the angry white man. going into november? i don t think that s going to be enough, but i think that people are very captivated by the insults and the tweet and i think we as a nation need to move past that on both sides of the party. i think there s more that unites than divides as a party and a nation. let me speak to that for one second. you worked for ronald reagan, and i remember my wife was i think she lived in panama when ronald reagan was president. one of the things she talked about is the very positive message that ronald reagan provided that made her love the united states just hearing ronald reagan talk. donald trump is like the opposite of that. and that is something that i think is going to lead to his losing in this campaign. but i think his message is the opposite. i think as a reagan person, you d be very distressed hearing donald trump s message. one thing i m wondering because bernie sanders is still in the race here. he s still attacking hillary clinton, and donald trump is using a lot of what bernie sanders is saying to also go after hillary clinton. as an independent voter, when you hear one side of the political spectrum say one thing and the complete opposite say the same thing, doesn t that tend to stick? is this bernie sanders you know causing damage for hillary clinton? i think at this point i m not too thrilled with the bernie sanders message at this point. i think it s this idea that the votes are being taken away from them, which donald trump mentions in his tweet, is ridiculous. i mean hillary is beating him by millions of votes. and i think that bernie sanders has to tell his people that this is not rigged. he s losing, and he s going to lose fair and square. that s the way it goes, and he s going to lose. there aren t new rules for the democratic primary, but he wasn t a democrat until now. maybe he didn t know the rules. but i think you had weaver on before. i think their message at this point is off. i do think they are harming hillary to an extent, and they need to look, i understand bernie sanders has a lot of money and a lot of supporters. why would he want to go back to the senate and hang back with lindsey graham and ted cruz? i understand. at this point, this party has to come together and bernie brings to bring the party together. he s given no indication that he plans to drop out or change any of his messaging. how does the clinton campaign minimize the damage that s being done? listen, we have a few more primaries to go. we ve got california on the 7th, and hillary does need to at some point reach out to the bernie supporters and reach out to bernie and bring them into the fold. it is incumbent on bernie to talk to his supporters, to get them in. it s also incumbent on hillary to talk to the bernie supporters and get them in. she needs the bernie supporters. hillary clinton called bill clinton her not so secret weapon on the campaign trail. take a look at this. this was the former president campaigning in puerto rico today. mr. president, do you want to respond to donald trump today calling you one of the worst political leaders in u.s. history? i think people are smart enough to figure this out. so, peggy, do you think donald trump has effectively neutralized bill clinton now because everywhere he goes, he s going to be asked are you the worst president for women ever? well, women are not seen as a voting bloc, i don t think. i think there s a lot of women who support donald trump. there s a lot of women who don t support hillary clinton. so to categorize us and speak for women in general, either side of the story is not going to be effective, i don t think. do you think anything should be off limits in this race? i mean as donald trump brings up the indiscretions of former president clinton? is that fair game in your view as someone who s worked in this business? well, if he s going to be out on the campaign trail speaking on behalf of his wife, then i think he s fair game. if he chose to sit on the sidelines, maybe we d be having a different conversation. but in the world of social media, truly everything s on the record. very quickly, megyn kelly spoke to donald trump tonight and she specifically asked him about, you know, being called a bimbo. listen to this. you would be amazed at the ones i don t re-tweet. bimbo? well, that was a re-tweet, yeah. did i say that? many time. oh, okay. excuse me. what do you think with not the most horrible thing. again, politically, not the most over your life, megyn, you ve been called a lot worst. you ve been called a lot worst. i don t know how much worse she s been called. let s remember that donald trump has a 70% unfavorable amongst women. the thing he says about heidi cruz, the things he said about megyn kelly. he yelled at a woman for breast-feeding in front of him. he talks about wanting to date his daughter. i don t think numbers among women are going to be going up very much. we need to be talking about our national security. we need to be talking about the sovereignty of our borders. we need to be talking about jobs and the possibilities for the future. so i think there s more agree upon than we disagree on. we ll see, peggy and matt, thanks for being with us. here s proof that some people don t like any of this year s presidential candidates. this yard sign, everybody sucks 2016, is getting a lot of attention. the homeowners in kansas say it started as a joke. people are honking. a virginia woman devieded to voice her political opinions from beyond the gram. her obituary says that when faced with the choice of donald trump or hillary clinton, she chose death. nolan s husband says the obituary was meant as a joke and a way to continue his wife s sense of humor. that s a pretty good joke. thanks for watching our special coverage of the oregon and kentucky primaries. i m isha sesay. i m john vause. we ll be back with another hour of live news from los angeles. you re watching cnn. like hampton, doubletree, hilton garden inn, and waldorf astoria so stop clicking around. book direct at hilton.com now that s satisfaction. if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis isn t it time to let the real you shine through? 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yeah, i guess so. but you have to go forward. you make a mistake, you go forward, and you you know, you can correct the mistake. but to look back and say, gee whiz, i wish i didn t do this or that, i don t think that s good. i don t even think in a certain way, i don t even think that s healthy. joining us now, republican consultant john thomas and democratic strategist dave jacobson, the wise men as they re known around here. what did you make of that interview with megyn kelly, especially that little bite he played there? he couldn t even, you know, cross the line to admitting full regret? you know, regret is as close as we re ever going to get to an apology from donald trump. i think it was a big step, but, look, donald trump s brand is that he won t apologize. in fact he s made the case that america is apologizing too much. so should he have apologized for that? absolutely. am i waiting up at night for him to no, it s never going to happen. let s talk about the campaign, the race, especially the kentucky. clinton, she needs this win, she spent money that she didn t want to spend. she spent time in kentucky that she didn t want to spend time there. she sent bill clinton out on the campaign. she carried it in 2008. tonight, less than half a percentage point. to you, this is not exactly the result they re looking for but at the end of the day, a win is a win? i guess. all these states are proportional. she just has to move forward through this process. she s less than 100 votes away from locking up the critical number to become the presumptive democratic nominee. i think one thing people aren t talking enough about is she was polling 13 points ahead of bernie sanders just days ago in oregon, and he had a blowout victory there. i think that s a testament to the fact that he actually helped to register, i think it was reported by the l.a. times, around 92,000 new voters as democrats for that election. i think that s a really big deal. oregon is also kind of ground zero for a lot of bernie sanders national campaign as well. they have a lot of young people working for sanders. even though that poll had her ahead, it wasn t entirely unexpected he would win oregon? it was also next door to washington where e had a huge victory. bernie sanders is not going to be the nominee on the democratic side but tonight is more hillary has a problem with her base. they re fractured. they re not in love with her. every single day that goes by that the base does not consolidate and hillary clinton cannot pivot to a general election gives donald trump time to heal wounds with megyn kelly, with leadership. the democrats are going to need all the time they can get. she show not to speak this evening after her win in kentucky. instead she put out a tweet. let s put that up for our viewers. she said, we just won kentucky. thanks to everyone who turned out. we re always stronger united. that was followed up by a statement put out by the clinton campaign. they go on to say we re confident that the passion and energy from the primary will be united in a common purpose to move forward the ideals of our party and keep the white house out of donald trump s hands. they ve got to be talking about unity, especially after what we saw in nevada on saturday with those angry scenes involving sanders supporters. the question is, you know, has this just gone on for so long, are they past the point of no return in terms of unifying this party, dave? i don t think so. i think it underscores there is sort of a fracturing, a splintering in the party for sure. but it s nothing like what we saw in the republican contest, character insults, bare knuckle tactics in the primary. you re seeing some of that on the democratic side but not nearly if you look at polting in 2008, 40% of supporters said they would never support barack obama. this is a different moment, though. even you would acknowledge that. what they re tapping into is different from 2008. . absolutely, but only 25% of bernie sanders supporters say they won t ultimately support hillary clinton. if you look at the base vote that sort of compromised barack obama s coalition that propelled him to the white house, women, minorities, older voters, those folks are coalescing around hillary clinton, and i think ultimately that s what s going to propel her to the white house. hillary has a larger problem, a rasmussen tracker poll came out this week asking the right track, wrong track question for the direction of the country. 60% of americans say we re on the wrong track. hillary clinton, to get through this democratic primary, has hugged barack obama s legacy and essentially is running as a third term. that 40% versus the 25% of bernie supporters who say they won t vote for hillary, back in 2008, hillary clinton actively campaigned for barack obama once the primary process was all over and told everyone to fall in line and didn t demand any concessions from obama. is that going to happen this time with bernie sanders? well, look, i think ultimately he ll get there but i think he s going to want some concessions. he s already saying i want issues like social justice reforms, $15 an hour minimum wage, singer payer reforming the primary process to open it up to independents and people who don t normally participate in the process. so i think he s going to try to sort of latch onto that platform and fundamentally overhaul it in some meaningful way. it s just a question of how and how much he s going to get and what the clinton campaign is willing to do moving forward. the problem in 2008 is barack obama was an inspirational figure that motivated his base. hillary clinton is no barack obama. it s interesting because clinton is staying away from the chaos in nevada. she doesn t want to offend, i guess, the bernie sanders supporters. but she is leaving the talking to other officials, in particular, the party chair woman, debbie wasserman schultz. unfortunately the senator s response was anything but acceptable. it certainly did not condemn his supporters for acting violently or engaging in intimidation tactics, and instead added more fuel to the fire. you know, dnc party leaders obviously getting irritated with sanders. and, you know, publicly coming out and rebuking him. what impact is that going to have on sanders? is he just going to zig his heels in even further? i think if you saw his speech tonight in california, he definitely is. he s going all the way. he s continuing to criticize the party and the party processing. it s a rigged system. he s tying it to, you know, the gridlock in washington, the corrupt system that he calls it at least with wall street. i think the reality is he s going to continue to carry that message, but i don t know if he s going to carry it beyond, you know, when people stop casting votes. you ve got california coming up, new jersey on june 7th, and you ve got washington, d.c. and then there s almost a month before the convention. so the real question is what is he going to do after people stop voting? this is a trump-like strategy. you think that his dnc establishment would learn by now what happened to the republican side. if the establishment slams him, it rallies bernie s supporters. and bernie sanders is out there on the campaign just a few hours ago telling people he s not going anywhere. many of the pundits and politicians, they say bernie sanders should drop out. [ booing ] the people of california should not have the right to determine who the next will be. [ booing ] well, let me be as clear as i can be. i agree with you. we are in to the last ballot is cast. a think a lot of people it s hard to run for president. it s a lot harder to stop running for president. i m going to start calling bernie sanders don quijote, he is dream dreaming the impossible dream, chasing windmills day after day. to the point, dave, he s not leveling with his supporters. irmean he s kind of leading them on this fantasy that at least as the math stands right now, that he can still win this thing. he keeps saying there is a very narrow path. that narrow path means he needs to win all the pledged delegates. he s got to get more than two-thirds of the vote moving forward, and then he s got to switch the super delegates, right if that s the whole play. and unfortunately those folks are locked in with the clinton campaign. i just don t see it happening. the very big interview tonight, between megyn kelly and donald trump. dylan buyers, let s bring him into the conversation. dylan, you had a quick look at this interview with donald trump and megyn kelly. i want to play one more sound bite because this was how donald trump talked about that question back at the very first fox news debate from megyn kelly which sparked their feud. i thought it was a fair question. why didn t you? i thought it was unfair. i thought first of all, i didn t think it was really a question. i thought it was more of a statement. that s the first question that i ve ever been asked during a debate, and i ve never debated before. i mean my whole life is a debate but i ve never actually debated before. i m saying to myself, man, what a question. then of course you have brett doing his thing. i m saying to myself, i got two hours of this? i don t really blame you because you re doing your thing. but from my standpoint, i don t have to like it. dylan, there was so much hype leading up to this interview. did it live up to it? no, it didn t live up to it, and i don t think that it could have. i think the expectation going into this interview was we were going to get a rematch of megyn kelly v. donald trump that we had seen on the debate stage in august and then seen again at the later fox news debate that donald trump actually showed up to. this was not megyn kelly s prerogative going in. she was trying to do something different. she s trying to sort of create a new space for herself as sort of the next barbara walters or the next oprah winfrey. she wanted the sort of groundbreaking interviews that people felt that, you know, that the entire nation has to come to, to watch. she didn t want a contentious interview that was going to alienate a lot of donald trump supporters and sort of take her out of the running for that position. i will say that s fair. these are two different sorts of interviews. but if you re going into this thinking that you re going to get, you know, fist cuffs, obviously that didn t happen. yeah, and dylan, megyn kelly had signs posted that her intention was this interview was to get at donald trump s temperament and try to get to understand his inner workings. i thought it was interesting that it came out of the interview that donald trump said the way he has conducted himself throughout this campaign has worked for him, his directness, that has been a winning formula. i would see this as something i guess somewhat worrying for the likes of paul ryan and reince priebus because basically what he said in this interview is he s not not for changing. he s going to keep on being how he s been to date. even in that interview, you saw him trying to strike a more sort of conciliatory tone. he s trying to have it both ways at once. he s going to continue to be donald, i say what i say, i do what i do, but he s also sitting down with megyn kelly. he s trying to reach out and extend the olive branch in some regard. but, you know, you talk about megyn kelly trying to get at donald trump s temperament with this interview. i don t know if she succeeded. but, again, you know, donald trump has been out there as the republican front-runner, now the presumptive republican nominee, for almost a year at this point. and no one has really answered the question of what makes donald trump tick. what is his temperament? that s what megyn kelly was trying to achieve tonight. i don t know if she pulled it off. dylan, there was, i guess, one admission from trump which i thought was a little surprising about whether or not if he wins this election and how he ll be impacted by all of that. listen to this. if i don t go all the way and if i don t win, i will consider it to be a total and complete waste of time, energy, and money. i guess, dylan, as the saying goes, winning isn t everything. it s the only thing. yeah, indeed. and of course donald trump has to broadcast the idea that he s in this to become the president of the united states. look, when this election is over, if donald trump does not become the president of the united states, he will have boosted his brand immeasurably. of course there will be plenty of people out there who will never want to look at donald trump s face again much less read one of his tweets or listen to one of his phone calls into a news show. but that core group of supporters, those tens of millions of voters who have turned out to vote for donald trump and who really believe that he is the face of the antiestablishment movement, those people are going to be buying into the donald trump brand for a long time. and in a way, for a guy whose sort of tenure of the host of the apprentice was coming to an end and who didn t really have a new business strategy, he certainly found one by running for president of the united states and upending all of the media s expectations about what he could actually achieve. dylan, let s put that to the wise men in the studio. john, what do you make of that? donald trump saying it will be all for naught if he doesn t win? he s right. he wants to be a winner. he wants to make america win again. if you re not first, you re last. oh, stop. you re saying there are no upsides to this for him if he does lose? well, look, his brand is better off. but i do think to his core, he feels he s running now to represent a perspective in the american public and it s his duty to win. if he doesn t win, america loses. i think he s sincere in this effort. i think he s running to be the next mike huckabee. 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you turn plain water into sparkling water in seconds. and because it s so delicious, you ll drink 43% more water every day. sodastream. love your water. hello, everyone. a close finish in kentucky s democratic primary with hillary clinton winning by a wafer thin margin. clinton squeaked by, beating sanders winning streak. it isn t a close contest on the republican side. presumptive nominee donald trump comes away with 66% of the vote as of now. former candidates john kasich and ted cruz is names were still on the ballot. 16% apiece for them in oregon. joining us here in l.a., james lacy, the author of taxifornia, and from sacramento, california, republican strategist rob stutzman with the stop trump campaign. gentlemen, good to have you with us once again. robert, if i could start with you, the trump campaign a short time ago putting out a statement announcing that the rnc and the trump campaign will now be forming a fund-raising partnership which would see the prospective nominee raise funds. part of the statement is up on the screen and it reads that by working with together with the rnc to raise support for republicans everywhere, we are going to defeat hillary clinton, keep republican majorities in congress and in the states, and make america great again. given the well publicized concern among some republicans about trump s impact on those down state ballots, if you re in the battle for your seat, say, in a purple state, how would you feel about this? is this something you re going to run towards? well, it s good news in that if, you know, part of the obligation of the nominee is to raise money to fund infrastructure in states throughout the country. and this is now what this arrangement will enable that to happen. so this is good news for republican candidates throughout the country. so, you know, even someone like me is in a predicament here where i still want to see fund-raising go very well for the infrastructure of the party. we re way behind on this because donald trump hasn t been raising money. he s been telling everyone he is going to self-fund and now, you know, surprise, he can t self-fund. and as the clinton super pac goes on the air today against him in key states, he s way, way behind. but this is good news for republican candidates throughout the country. so, james, it is a flip-flop because one of the talking points, one of the selling points of donald trump earlier on is he s paying for his own campaign. nobody owns hip. but now suddenly sheldon adelson is putting up $100 million. isn t the argument here he ll be bought just like everybody else? well, it might be a flip-flop, but it s not a substantive flip-flop. i think that what voters care about are the issues that he s been articulating and the reason he s racking up these big margins, 66% tonight, more votes than any other candidate has ever received for president from the republican party is about his issues. it s been voters being angry. what s not given enough focus is that donald trump has been very frugal and probably one of the best spenders per vote of any presidential candidate ever. you know, he only spent $900,000 to win that critical indiana primary where there was $9 million spent against him for cruz. you know, i think whatever money is put into the race that trump helps to raise will be spent very well, and i agree with rob. it s a good thing. rob, do you i mean you just heard james say it s not a substantive flip flof. do you feel that way? it s substantive. this is part of his appeal that he s completely independent of special interests. so, you know, there should be a concern that he s now going back on his word on this, and he has g begun to go back on his word on other strong statements he s made such at banning muslims from the country which is now apparently just a suggestion. so there s a broader pool of voters here. you go from the 28 million who have voted so far in republican primaries to about 130 million who are going to vote nationally in the general electorate in november. they re trying to figure out what to do, and he s not going to make progress with those voters when he keeps flip-flopping on elements that are central to the narrative of his candidacy. we re also seeing he s bragging today about his wealth. sell a hotel, and let s go elect republicans across the country. i don t think that s going to affect one vote. i think that far more substantive is the pay to play of the clinton foundation and the fact that hillary clinton received $300,000 to give a speech to this special interest or that special interest. the fact that foreign countries have paid to play with the clintons in terms of policy. so, you know, it seems to me that that s an issue. somebody is going to have to pay to communicate with the voters in this election, and it seems to me that this agreement is going to be a good one. one of the issues that many of the stop trump people have had is the language he s used, his tweets, especially using the word bimbo. that came up with megyn kelly on fox news. this was a moment where donald trump almost seemed embarrassed. you would be amazed at the ones i don t re-tweet. bimbo? uh, well, that was a re-tweet, yeah. did i say that. many times. oh, okay. excuse me. what do you think with not the most horrible thing. again, politically, not the most over your life, megyn, you ve been called a lot worse. so, james, if donald trump is embarrassed by that kind of stuff, can you at least understand why some within the party are horrified by that kind of stuff? well, you have to look at what the voter attitudes are. now, if you look at florida, for example, in the recent quinn e quinnipiac poll, you see donald trump has a lead in florida, important swing state, among men, among seniors, and among white voters. hillary clinton has a little bit of a less lead among women. when you look at the full picture, trump frankly has upward momentum with his base vote of seniors who have been priced out of medicare, of disaffected white voters that he can move up with, and male voters. i m sorry that sounds politically incorrect, but he has upward momentum. hillary is the person who has a male voter problem, and i think today with megyn kelly, you saw a more humble donald trump, who understands he s got to work on the women vote and who is going to be doing that. but we heard from donald trump saying that s not the worst thing you ve been called. i mean is that presidential? put aside the policy and the upward trajectory with the base. is it presidential? i honestly think people will feel that it is what a neighbor would say. i think it s refreshing. i think that it shows a genuine attitude. well, my neighbor might not have the skills that donald trump has, but certainly to build up the business that he s built up qualifies him to be president. i think that it s just his personality. his personality. he s a cultural icon, and this is so different from anything that we ve had in the past. let s get to some foreign policy stuff here because this is one of the areas that many in the republican party are concerned with, that donald trump tends to say a lot of things off the cuff, doesn t have a complete grasp of the issues. he was talking about north korea and the fact that he would actually hold talks with the north koreans. i would i would speak to him. i would have no problem speaking to him. at the same time, i would put a lot of pressure on china because economically we have tremendous power over china. people don t realize that. but you say you would talk to kim? the one i would speak to him. i have no problem with speaking to him. rob, when you hear that, does that just reinforce everything you re terrified about? yeah. he doesn t know what he s doing. he doesn t understand what that projects around the world. the same way when he talks about that he ll take a serious look at scuttling nato. what that tells our allies for the last half century in that part of the world, there s huge ramifications to this. he off the cuff says he wants to rearm japan with nuclear weapons. nuclear proliferation. i mean that s the platform of the republican nominee for president? it just continues to demonstrate he doesn t have a grasp of this, which means he s unfit to have those codes to the weaponry of this country. okay. james? you could have said the same thing about barack obama. i think seven years ago, barack obama said he d meet with the ayatollah if it was necessary. and where did that get him, huh? okay. james. my excuse is this. donald trump s a real person. he s not a phony politician. all right, gentlemen. with that, we re going to say good night to you both. rob stutzman as always, and james lacy here in los angeles. we appreciate it, guys, thank you very much. a short break. political passions at feever pitch. democratic leaders say bernie sanders needs to get a grip on his supporters. we ll tell you what the sanders campaign is saying next. welcome back, everybody. donald trump is moving closer to officially clinching the republican presidential nomination. his latest win comes in oregon with 66% of the vote. john kasich and ted cruz, who are no longer campaigning, trail with 16%. bernie sanders took the democratic primary in oregon with 54% of the vote. and in kentucky, hillary clinton won a nail-biter, beating sanders by less than 2,000 votes. sanders victory in oregon is not enough to overcome clinton s lead in the delegate count, but sanders not giving up. i want to thank you all for coming out because this is, in a sense, the beginning of the final push to win california. los angeles supporters set up alarms among party leaders when they shut down the democrats. sanders supporters shouted her down when she tried to speak in favor of clinton. [ crowd booing ] jeff weaver, campaign manager for bernie sanders, joins us now from burlington, vermont. thanks for being with us. there s a lot of pressure on senator sanders by senior democrats for him to rein in his supporters after the violence in nevada. why hasn t he done that yet? well, i think it s an overstate to say it was violence in nevada. there was obviously a lot of chaos at the nevada state convention. bernie sanders has said categorically that he condemns any kind of violence or threats that were made against anybody. but people have to understand what went on in nevada. there was a process that was put in place that was clearly geared to sort of create a one-sided outcome. there were voiced votes on the floor which were overruled by the chair, and it became it sort of broke down once it became very clear, i think, to people that there was not going to be fairness at that convention. look, no one would ever question the right of people to, you know, to ask about the rules, to argue about process. this is politics. but you did mention the democrat chair woman for nevada. her name is roberta lange. she says she s been inundated with death threats. she s received abusive voicemail and text messages. this is what she said to cnn earlier today. i get threats every one to two seconds on my phone, on my e-mail, on twitter, on facebook. it is endless. in fact, it has gotten worse as time goes on, and it you know, it s awful. they ve attacked my work. i also want to play for you one of those voicemail messages because many of the others just aren t suitable for air. listen to this. this is a citizen of the united states of america, and i just wanted to let you know that people like you should be hung in public execution to show this world we won t stand for this sort of corruption. i don t know what kind of money they re paying to you, but i don t know you sleep at night. you are a sick, twisted piece of [ bleep ] and i hope you burn for this, cowardly [ bleep ] running off the stage. i hope people find you. i imagine the sanders campaign would at least condemn that type of behavior, and i m wondering has anybody from the campaign actually managed to reach out and apologize? well, we categorically reject and find unacceptable any kind of behavior like that, whether it s violence or threats of violence or vulgarity that you heard in that phone call, that s absolutely unacceptable in any context. so i don t think there s any disagreement about that certainly. do you think someone from the sanders campaign should reach out to roberta lange and apologize for what, you know, the sanders supporters have been doing to her because there s been a lot of threats. there s been a lot of text messages. well, we certainly we certainly as i said, we condemn it. the senator has said he condemns it 100%. what we are concerned about obviously is to make sure this type of thing does not happen or continue to happen. in addition to that, we want to make sure that we people are aware of what happened in nevada at the state democratic party. there was a horrendous breakdown in the process where the leadership there in nevada hijacked the process on the floor, created a tremendous amount of angst among people who were there attending the convention, who were supporters of senator sanders. by ignoring the regular procedure and ramming through what they wanted to do. it was in terms of a democratic exercise, it was pretty much a disaster. one last thing about the nevada caucus. joan kato seemed to be encouraging supporters to take over that event before it started. this is what she said to them. you should not leave. i m going to repeat that. unless you are told by somebody from the campaign, i.e., probably me or david that you can leave, you should not leave. i don t care if the chair is up there herself or whoever the chair is and whoever becomes the chair, you should not leave. so in hindsight, was that perhaps not the best thing to do? no. in fact, that conclusion that you came to that that somehow is taking over the convention, apparently you aren t as familiar with how these caucuses work. that is a very standard part of the process. what you don t want your people to do is leave prematurely because often there are recounts during these caucuses. and when your people leave, first you re winning and then you re losing. so that is a very standard instruction that are given to delegates at caucuses to not leave until the campaign says it s okay to go. it has nothing to do with taking over the convention. you know, that kind of conclusion about what that means, i think would only come from somebody who is not all that familiar with how this whole process works. that is a very standard instruction that s give to delegates at a caucus. don t leave because votes are taken and there are often revotes. if your people leave, you lose the revotes. there was a poll out today. it shows senator sanders a clear favorite among democrats to be hillary clinton s running mate, assuming of course that mr. sanders doesn t win the nomination. if bernie sanders is asked, would he accept? i think he s running for the top spot at the moment. so i think that s that s what the goal is, and that s what the focus is right now. and with that, we wish you good luck. thanks for being with us, jeff. thank you, sir. yeah, he wasn t biting on that last one. maybe a little early for that. might be. time for a quick break now. still to come, more on donald trump s head to head interview with fox news host megyn kelly. we ll look back at where the feud between the two all began. and i m nina dos santos here on the factory floor of siemens operations. after the break, i m going to be telling you what big business and small business in britain and beyond makes of the potential impact of the so-called brexit. welcome back, everybody. 12:43 here in los angeles, and britain s queen elizabeth, will formally open parliament in the coming hours. this year, history will be made when british voters decide on june 23rd whether or not to stay in the european union. as that referendum gets closer, the rhetoric ramps up. david cameron raised some eyebrows on tuesday when he said britain leaving the eu would please the leaders of russia and isis. it is worth asking the question which you know, who would be happy if we left? putin might be happy. i suspect al baghdadi might be happy. london s former mayor is among those leading the campaign for britain to leave the european union. in a recent interview, boris johnson suggested the eu is pursuing similar goals to hitler by creating a powerful super state. here s the quote. napoleon, hitler, various people tried this out, and it ends tragically. as you might imagine, these comments aren t sitting well with many eu leaders. what i hear is eu being compared to the plans and project of adolf hitler, i cannot remain silent. such absurd arguments should be completely ignored if they hadn t been formulated by one of the most influential politicians of the ruling party. u.s. politicians are also weighing in. donald trump says if he was president, britain would not be at a disadvantage in trade talks. if you become president and we ve come out of european union, what would your view be about where britain should sit in priority terms with trade deals with the united states? i don t think they ll be heard at all. they re have to make their own deal. would they be back of the queue? would they be front of the queue? britain s been such a great ally that they went into things that they haven t have gone into, like as an example, going into iraq. with me, they ll always be treated fantastically. would we be front of the queue? i don t want to say freofnt r anything else. we wouldn t be back of the queue? trade? you would certainly not be back of the queue. that i can tell you. live now to the u.k. nina dos santos. and max foster is live outside parliament. max, let s start with you. the queen s opening of parliament taking place a short time from now. as always, it s accompanied by a great deal of pomp and pageantry. yeah, the queen will be arriving at the entrance behind me. only she is allowed to go through that entrance. so that really describes the pomp and ceremony we ve got today. she ll arrive in a carriage, and she ll have her crown on, and she ll read a speech written by the government, which outlines the legislative agenda for the next year. this is the agenda that david cameron wants to push through, various laws about prisons and about health and various other things he wants to get through. and interestingly, brexit or the eu referendum does come into this because what he wants to do is address one of the big concerns that people have, and that is that the european court of rights over in the european union, away from here in london, has control over a lot of what is allowed here in the u.k. so he wants to bring some of that power back. he wants to remain part of the system, the legal system, in europe, but he wants british judges to have the final say on human rights, for example. so that s where the referendum comes into this, where politics comes into this, where he wants to convince people by staying in the european union that actually it will be okay. you can address some of those concerns about the european union, but there s the broader question, isha, which is whether or not he ll be in power to push these laws through. that s because if he loses the referendum, there s going to be a question about his leadership whether or not he ll be in power even in a couple of months. it s a big day, the beginning of an important couple of weeks there in the u.k. nina dos santos is following how the referendum would impact businesses large and small. nina, this is like going down the rabbit hole for every story you read about economic doom, there seems to be another one that says brexit would be great for business. what s the bottom line? reporter: yeah, well the bottom line is it depends on how big your bottom line really is. that s the exact way of summing it up. if you re a really big business, you re exporting an awful lot to europe, obviously you re going to be more exposed to europe, and you re probably going to want to trade with what is the biggest single market anywhere on the planet. far more, if you re a british owned business that doesn t trade a lot with europe, you re perhaps more tempted by the views of independents cutting all of that kind of red tape. what we re also going to be talking about here is foreign direct investments into the u.k. so the u.k. is a big recipient of foreign investment from companies like, for instance, the german manufacturer siemens which employs 14,000 staff here across the u.k. i m on one of their factory floors that makes these. these are what we call relays. they go into signal boxes for trains. this is the exact embodiment of what the eu means to big companies like these. these are designed in the u.k. manufactured inside the u.k., and they ve been exported not just to other european countries but to 90 other countries around the world, specifically from the u.k. what we ve heard repeatedly from big businesses that have invested their operations inside the u.k. but from outside this particular country is they ve said, well, britain s future really should be best off inside the european union because it gives it access to so much more free trade to sell goods like this onto the biggest single common market that there is anywhere on the planet. 500 million consumers, and you wouldn t want to miss out on that opportunity. so big business very much in favor of staying inside the eu. smaller business, a little bit more vocal but overwhelmingly also still in favor of staying with the status quo. okay. ni nina dose san toez, breaking it down there. max, appreciate it. thanks to you both. a lot more just ahead. stay with us. we ll be right back. welcome back, everybody. hillary clinton closer to the democratic presidential nomination after a neck and neck contest in kentucky. she narrowly won the state s primary beating bernie sanders by less than 2,000 votes. sanders did pick up another win tuesday, beating clinton in oregon s primary with 54% of the vote. it s a definitive win for donald trump in oregon. the presumptive republican nominee has 66% of the vote. former rivals john kasich and ted cruz are far back as you see there with 16%. not bad. they didn t campaign there. former republican rival jeb bush is slamming donald trump over his controversial cinco de mayo tweet. you may recall this image from trump with the caption, the best taco bowls are made in trump tower grill. i love hispanics. jeb bush told a dutch news out let that trump s message was insensitive. he compared to eating a watermelon and saying, i love african-americans. moving on, actor bryan cranston says he strongly disagrees with donald trump s policies, but he did admit that about the likely republican nominee. i believe donald trump loves this country. i truly believe that, and i know he does. it s just that his approach to how to remedy america s problems differ greatly from what i think should happen. bryan cranston stars as former president lyndon b. johnson in the upcoming hbo drama all the way but he s probably best known for his role as a high school math teacher turned drug kingpin in breaking bad, walter white. never could watch that. best show on television. ruined me for tv for life. you were ruined way before that. moving on now, a virginia woman is voicing her political opinions from beyond the grave. mary ann nolan s obit wear published monday states when faced with a choice of either donald trump or hillary clinton, she choice to path into the eternal love of god. in case you didn t work it out, death. nolan s husband says the obituary was meant as a joke and a way to continue on with his wife s sense of humor. a lot of people feel the same way, i think. all right. well, that s all we have time for this hour. i m isha sesay. and i m john vause. for our viewers in the united states, a lot more election coverage next in early start . for those of you watching internationally, cnn newsroom with max foster starts after the break. approaching medicare eligibility? 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good morning and welcome to early start. so nice to see you. it s wednesday, may 18th. it is 4:00 a.m. in the east. breaking news this morning, war brewing in the democratic race for president. hillary clinton barely edging past bernie sanders to win victory in the kentucky primary. sanders takes oregon by aid