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The Rachel Maddow Show

subject to certain political pressures. i think that that's unavoidable and it's particularly unavoidable when you're an elected official. i think it's very hard to fly under the radar when you have a constituency upset about you. there are high-profile cases that have a greater weight than all of the things you were doing, that nobody even notices that you are doing in the office, so of course. but what we want is to minimize the political impact. there are various different -- and i'm sure you know this because of your investigation, but there are various different structural ways that you do that. fundamentally we rely on the character of prosecutors to be our backstop. i think people get upset and frustrated about that, but there just really isn't that much of a better way of doing it. it's imperfect -- >> but the power and weight and inertia of political pressure, you do have to build fire walls and protect your prosecutors and

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The Rachel Maddow Show

style outfits with assault rifles. that was columbus, ohio, this weekend. lakeland, florida, had neo-nazis outside a queer event flying a big swastika flag. neo-nazi holocaust survivors showed up this weekend as well. so when moore county, north carolina, was host this saturday to another one of these far right anti-gay, anti-trans protests and then just as a local drag show that they were protesting started up, someone shot up the power stations and cut power to the whole county. yes, understandably people locally immediately started asking the sheriff if that was the reason why, if there was a connection. now, the sheriff has said repeatedly that he has no idea if the attack on the power stations is linked to those anti-gay, anti-transprotests. there really is no indication either way. the sheriff says he has no idea about a motive of any kind. no suspects, nobody claiming any

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The Rachel Maddow Show

this is two electrical substations shot up with firearms, like in california in 2013 and like the neo-nazis just pled guilty to planning in ohio earlier this year. so this is major equipment. transformers at substations are often custom built equipment. they're big, they're complex, they are expensive. this is not a quick fix. it may yet be days in moore county, north carolina, before there is power. they have nobody in custody, nobody blaming responsibility, no word on any potential motive. apparently no suspects. in moore county this weekend it was two different substations. the two of them reportedly shot at and disabled by gunfire within about 45 minutes of each other on saturday night. now, the sheriff tonight was asked if those attacks were simultaneously or if they were sequence shal.

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The Rachel Maddow Show

advised people in the area that you're going to have to drive to the nearest fire station and ask for help in person because we have no other way for you to reach us. but cutting the fiber optic cables in those two places, that was only part of the attack. because less than 25 minutes after thefiber optic cables were cut, the shooting started, right near the place where they had cut the cables was an electrical power substation. now, electrical power, you know this, it travels long distance on really, really high voltage, high power lines. but then when the electrical power is going to be distributed to homes and businesses, it needs to be stepped down from that super high voltage that it's at for long distance transmission, has to get stepped down to the regular voltage that we all use when we plug something into the ball. a substation is where the power company puts its big transformers that either step

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The Rachel Maddow Show

to comment on that detail tonight. we also know authorities have described those substations being knocked out by gunfire and then there being a cascading effect down the line that knocked out power so much more widely. is that still our understanding? do we know anything further about how the attack was carried out? >> reporter: yeah, you know, part of what's been frustrating for reporters here on the ground, rachel, as we try to get some more of those details, we keep getting rebuffed. so here's what we do know. we know that these two substations were attacked by gunfire. that also a fence was broken down in the process. and every time we ask follow-up questions, officials use some of the very same words over and over again. they use words like scary and dangerous. they also use the word intentional. and they specifically consistently use the phrasing that this person knew what they were doing. and when i asked the sheriff and also the governor of north carolina today at a press conference what does the word intentional mean?

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The Rachel Maddow Show

our county, we're going to implement a curfew tonight starting at 9:00 p.m. and that's countywide, from 9:00 p.m. to 5:00 a.m. a countywide curfew, a county state of emergency. all schools closed, first for one day, now tomorrow for a second day. emergency shelters opened up for people to try to keep warm all powered by generators. the whole county trying to get by on generator power. power out for what they call 45,000 customers. customers in this case means 45,000 homes and businesses. altogether we're talking about over 100,000 people. well, it was initially 45,000 customers, 45,000 homes and businesses. it's now down to 33,000 homes and businesses. but that's still tens of thousands of americans tonight with zero power, zero. and this isn't like lines down in a storm that you go out and rewire the lines and put them back up.

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county. we're not going to let this hold us back. i can promise you to the perpetrators out there, we will find you. shortly after 7:00 p.m., power outages began here in the carthage area. shortly thereafter, the outages would spread to the greater majority of central and southern moore county. upon the arrival of the power crews and our deputies, extensive damage was found at their substations. the evidence at the scene indicated that the -- showed that the firearm had been used to disable the equipment. we have formed a plan for the night and the next few nights that this may -- that we may be out of power. it's a very serious situation. so we've come to the agreement the best to protect our citizens and to protect the businesses of

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The Rachel Maddow Show

substations and, quote, an article regarding the sabotage of a power substation in california. so the california attack on that power substation was in 2013. still unsolved. this year we get neo-nazis trying to set off a race war planning what appears to have been a copy-cat attack, copying what happened in california. also to the extent that they're also planning on using high-powered rifles to shoot up electrical substations and try to knock out the power. the guilty pleas to the plot that was uncovered by federal prosecutors, those guilty pleas were earlier this year in federal court in ohio. and now this weekend, here we are again. moore county, north carolina. >> i promise you, we're going to get through this and we're going to get through it together. moore county is very strong. we're very united here in moore

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The Rachel Maddow Show

rifles that would penetrate the electrical transformers. members of the group estimated that would cost the government millions of dollars to recover. in addition, the defendants believed that time associated with replacing the substations would cause confusion and unrest for americans in the region. there were also conversations about how the possibility of the power being out for many months could cause a race war. initially without power across the country, they hoped it could cause the next great depression. people wouldn't show up to work, the economy would crash and there would be a ripe opportunity for potential white leaders to rise up. that plea agreement, unsealed by the government earlier this year, explains how these young men decided they would need to cause a big explosion as a distraction. they wanted to set off some kind of big explosion that would tie up the police and distract police from what they were going to do to the power substations, which is something, again, that they hoped would cause millions of dollars of damage and something that would take months

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february of this year. february 2022. three men, one from ohio, one in wisconsin, one from indiana and texas pled guilty to a plot to do much the same thing, inspired by white supremacist ideology. department of justice press release, three men plead guilty to conspiring material support to a plot to attack power grids in the united states. domestic terrorism plot was in furtherance of white supremacist ideology. and the plea agreement in that case from earlier this year spells it out. it says in the fall of 2019, two young men, one age 20, one age 24, met in an online forum. one suggested to the other that they hatch a plan to take out electrical power substations in various parts of the country to try to set off civil unrest and to hopefully try to set off a race war in the united states. this is from the plea agreement. quote, the plan was to attack the substations with powerful

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