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Anderson Cooper 360-20140221-04:02:00

wanting to shoot everybody. i think that he made bad decisions. >> you still think he's guilty of murder, though. >> yes. i really think he's guilty of murder, but not guilty as charged. >> first degree. you don't think he's guilty of first degree? >> i think he's guilty of second degree. i was convinced. i was honestly convinced that he was in self-defense until he chased the car down and started shooting it more. that's where my decision-making process comes, well, even if initially you didn't have an opportunity to take yourself out of the situation, to stop, running behind a car and shooting more, that's where you completely push your limits. >> which person, which witness made the biggest impact for you? >> actually rhonda rouer. you could tell she was nervous, she was shaking, she was trembling. like she could hardly move.

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Anderson Cooper 360-20140221-04:09:00

testimony when ms. rouer testified, he never said there was a weapon in the car. no gun, no stick, bottle, anything. and he drove to the hotel, ate pizza, drove back to his home the next day. not one time did he say there was a weapon. and who would do that? if somebody threatened you with a shotgun, you would tell the closest person to you, they threatened me with a shotgun. never said one word. never dialed 911. that doesn't sound like a good person. >> one thing the jury did not hear are these audio recordings of michael dunn in the jail prior to the trial. i want to play two things that he said and get your reaction to them. >> i was thinking about that today. i was like, i'm the [ mute ] victim here. i was the one who was victimized. i mean, i don't know how else to put it. it's like they attacked me. i'm the victim. >> right.

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Anderson Cooper 360-20140221-01:03:00

>> actually rhonda rouer. you could tell she was nervous, she was shaking, she was trembling. like she could hardly move. but yet she still got up there and told the truth. >> what was it like inside that deliberation room? >> it was wild. >> wild as -- >> like it was shotting. -- shouting and yelling. >> did you take an initial vote in terms of where everybody stood? >> we did the next day. everybody had different -- >> everybody was all over the place. how many people were on each side? >> initially by friday it was two and ten. we started off saturday morning with a prayer. we all did. >> with a prayer. >> yes. >> what did you pray for? >> we just prayed that everybody had a peace of mind, everybody was open. >> how difficult was it for you to come back into that courtroom knowing that jordan davis's parents were there and that you couldn't agree on a charge related to his death? >> it was hard. we were confident and cool with

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Anderson Cooper 360-20140221-01:09:00

>> when you heard that, ron, what did you think? >> right. and if she thought he was a nice guy, that tells me she wasn't paying attention to the testimony when ms. rouer testified, he never said there was a weapon in the car. no gun, no stick, bottle, anything. and he drove to the hotel, ate pizza, drove back to his home the next day. not one time did he say there was a weapon. and who would do that? if somebody threatened you with a shotgun, you would tell the closest person to you, they threatened me with a shotgun. never said one word. never died 911. that doesn't sound like a good person. >> one thing the jury did not hear are these audio recordings of michael dunn in the jail prior to the trial. i want to play two things that he said and get your reaction to them. >> i was thinking about that today. i was like, i'm the [ mute ] victim here. i was the one who was victimized. i mean, i don't know how else to

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20140216:15:15:00

say? >> i hate that thug music. >> and what was your response to the defendant? >> i said, yes, i know. >> that was rhonda rouer, the girlfriend of michael dunn, testifying to the opinion of the, quote, thug music playing in the car where jordan davis was sitting with his friends. and this was dunn's attorney, cory thohla making his argument. >> you know who didn't duck? jordan davis. you know why he didn't duck? because he was getting out of the car with a weapon, after telling michael dunn, you're dead [ bleep ]. this is going down now. you have four men against one. >> those are some of the moments during the trial, when racial overtones may have seemed readily apparent in a case where a white man was accused of killing an frafrican-american teen. and yet the question of race was

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20140213:23:12:00

next day. she said he never mentioned a gun. obviously you saw on the tape, he said he mentioned it multiple times. how important is this to a jury? >> i think this was a pivotal point in the trial, and i'm sure that this is something that is being discussed behind closed doors in that jury room, because rhonda rouer came up and said he never, ever mentioned a gun. and if there was a gun pointed at you and you are afraid for your life, and your fiancee comes back and gets in the car with you seconds later, one of the first things you're going to say at some point that night, i just had a gun pointed at me and i had to shoot and i had to save my own life. the only reasonable explanation for him not telling his fiancee that is because it never happened. he didn't forget. he wasn't under stress. the gun just didn't exist. >> well, the jury is about to break for dinner. but you guys are not. y'all are going to hang around in case we need to get back. ken padowitz, faith, thank you both for your time. ahead, what the michael dunn trial means for stand your ground.

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20140213:23:11:00

to tell the jury the term you used to describe the weapon? >> i don't know what i said, but i told her that they had a weapon, they threatened my life, and they were -- they -- he advanced upon me. >> how did you describe the weapon? did you say he had a sword? did you say they had a machete? >> gun. >> a gun. you used the word gun with rhonda rouer? when? >> multitypical times. >> did the defendant ever tell you he saw a gun in that red suv? >>. no. >> did the defendant ever tell you he saw a weapon of any kind in that suv? >> no. >> there is no mention of a stick? >> no. >> there is no mention of a shotgun? >> no. >> there was no mention of a barrel? >> no. >> there was no mention of a lead pipe? >> no. >> now, this is his girlfriend. she was there. she was inside the gas station when he shot the kid. she immediately came out, left with him, stayed with him the

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Anderson Cooper 360-20140212-01:12:00

rhonda rouer >> yes, i did. >> when? >> multiple times. >> so i mean that's pretty crucial, sunny. he says multiple times he said "gun" to his fiancee and she says he never said it. >> that's right. it goes to the heart of this case. for the jury to find that he acted in self-defense with this justifiable use of force, they have to believe that he saw a gun. now, if he really saw a gun and fired in self-defense, the minute he got into that car wouldn't he have said to his fiancee, oh, my gosh, someone just tried to kill me, they had a gun, a barrel of a shotgun pointed at me? well, he says he did say that but she said no, he never said it on the way to the hotel room. he never said it on the way back home. he just never said it. i have to agree with mark, which i never do, i really think that she was the pivotal witness, the star witness really for the prosecution in this case. >> also if you're concerned -- >> it's so perplexing, they

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