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examples? >> the notification you get, there's a reason they come at a certain time, the words that are chosen. every character of that has tested for you and your personality type. >> there a reason you're here tonight? are you repenting to your sins? >> it's a good way to think about it. i see familiar faces. we were all the 29-year-olds alps super-gung ho. i see the same reflectiveness. now that we have connected the world, we probably could do better. i got them reaching for their phone 120 times a day, like just with my app. and we all high-five each other, and then go, wait a minute, are we doing the right thing? >> how far have we gone? is it possible to pull back? the question that took me to sherry turkel. she's been studying or complicated relationship about technology for decades. these a moment of reckoning. maybe i'm being dramatic.
other products and i believed against all reason that owning an iphone made me part of something better. and when it was in my pocket, for every idle moment, my hand was drawn to it, like frodo's hand to the ring. >> everyone has their personal experiences with these products. sherry turkel, the author of "reclaiming conversation: the power of talk in a digital age," she appears in the film and she's joining us right now from new york. good to see you. >> pleasure. >> so what was your sense of the relationship people had with steve jobs? was it, you know, the product? was something about him, you know, his ingenuity, his invention? >> well, i think it's an extraordinary combination of people feeling a connection with the product, where they felt they were touching him. and really not caring if he was a nice guy or a bastard. what they cared about is that he understood something about them,
so this is a guy who wanted to be on his team, who wanted to keep a kind of parallel life going, and his parallel life was taking place online. so i think he's a perfect case of somebody who would lead a parallel life online. >> our thanks to peter bergen and sherry turkel for that conversation. air travelers may get a break soon as congress steps in to try and stop major delays at the nation's airports. if you're traveling, what you need to know next. [ female announcer ] what if the next big thing, isn't a thing at all?
instructions to create one are widely available on the internet. one of the devices found between police and the two suspects is a metal elbow pipe bomb. it was very similar to the design from an al qaeda online magazine called "inspire." now authorities now question if the web was the brother's sole recruiter in becoming radicalized. is that even possible? we're going to have that discussion with two experts, cnn's national security analyst peter bergen and i'm joined by m.i.t. professor of social studies of science and technology, sherry turkel, thank you for being here. sherry, it is possible to be radicalized online. we've seen it happen before. >> yes. >> we also know it is more rare often when we see radicalization if that is the case among these two brothers it often requires face-to-face contact. what is your assessment on how prevalent online, solely online
your thoughts on that, sherry? >> my thought is that when you think of our focus, only a few years ago, did bill clinton go to the soviet union as though that contamination physically would make a difference in what his sensibility was. now we have to think in terms of what do people see online and really take that as where they change their minds and i think that is a way that we have to start to think and take that really seriously. it isn't physical contamination body to body. it's where your head is and the internet is where people -- >> and the core of the freedoms of american people and the country to read online anything you would like, be involved in those forums. >> that's where we immediate to think differently. >> sherry turkle thank you, and peter bergen, very interesting discussion this morning, thank you both. will defending boston bombing suspect dzhokhar tsarnaev, up next his all-star