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ukraine will make the alliance stronger. president biden scheduled to meet with president zelenskyy wednesday in the duenas. in an interview with fareed zakaria, president biden said this. >> i don't think there is unanimity in nato about whether or not to bring ukraine into the nato family now. at this moment, in the middle of a war. for example, if you did that then you know, i mean what i say we are determined to commit every inch of territory that is nato territory and it's a commitment we've all made no matter what. if the war is going on and we are all in the war you know? we are at war with russia, if that's the case. >> joining us now is ben rhodes, former deputy national security adviser to president obama, and msnbc political analyst. he is the author of after the fall the rise of authoritarianism in the world we've made.
on defence and economic priorities. separately, the us state department said washington would go ahead with the sale of f—16 fighter jets to turkey. earlier, i discussed all this with evelyn farkas, former deputy assistant secretary of defence for russia, ukraine, and eurasia — and ian brzezinski, former deputy secretary of defence for europe and nato policy. what did you make of the rift we saw in vilnius on tuesday? i do not think it is a big rift nato, there is an exaggeration of that, so far and we still have another eight to go the summit has been successful for the alliance, it has got swing over the hurdle to become the next nato member the 32nd member, that locks in the baltic sea it strengthens nato stop — mcsween. they are taking steps to reinforce the eastern frontier and demonstrating unanimity and support to help ukraine defeat the russian
sneak peek before their meeting, evelyn. i was curious to get your reaction to the president's comments with zelenskyy and just the demeanor of the two men? >> yeah, it's interesting, ana, because that was the first thing that really struck me was how candid and really real this conversation appeared to be. it didn't -- it wasn't scripted. president zelenskyy, first of all, i had commented on his english. he's really improved his english language capability from when ukraine was first invaded. obviously it's been a necessity for him, but both men really appeared to be speaking from the heart and from the head, you know, saying what they really felt and thought. it was a constructive conversation. they were both positive, which i think is the right way to approach this. the whole, you know, summit thus far has really been a resounding success for the united states and our nato allies, and it's been a huge success for ukraine as well. there was unanimity among the
and really looking forward to your membership. i don't think it's ready for membership in nato. there is not unanimity in nato whether or not to bring ukraine into the nato family now at this moment in the middle of a war. >> dana: that's a yes for sweden, a no for ukraine at least not now. how does zelensky go to his people and say let's figure out a way to get over this if he doesn't have a path to nato where they feel they would be protected in the future? >> it's a great question, dana. everybody agrees that ukraine should be a member. it's timing and process. most nato allies think they should be in and shouldn't be a difficult process. after all, ukraine is doing exactly what nato was established to do, which was to prevent russia from invading its neighbors and if it did to defeat russia and they're doing
future membership in nato. essentially the members of the alliance agreed to extend the invitation for ukraine to join the allies when conditions are met, and they are saying it's not immediate and will require unanimity among the allies and the meeting of certain conditions, which is an illusion to the requirements for ukraine to lean towards good measures and this appears to be the compromise they reached here to extend this invitation when the allies agree and they met certain requirements. >> evelyn, i just want your reaction to that. just thinking about now that
membership, telling cnn the war with russia must end first. i don't think there is unanimity in nato about whether or not to bring ukraine into the nato family now, at this moment, in the middle of a war. i think we can work it out, but i think we can work it out, but i think we can work it out, but i think it is premature to call for a vote now, because there are other qualifications that need to be met including democratisation of some of those issues. live now to the bbc�*s tom brada in london. good to see you. tom, the president touched down a couple of hours ago. what can we expect from the visit? so, this is not a fully fledged state visit from the president. in fact, it is a very fleeting visit but he is hoping to cram quite a lot in. i would like to point out where we are exactly.
with russia must end first. i don't think there is unanimity in nato about whether or not to bring ukraine into the nato family now, at this moment, in the middle of a war. i think we can work it out, but i think it is premature to call for a vote now, because there are other qualifications that need to be met including democratisation of some of those issues. live now to the bbc�*s tom brada in london. tom, the us president touched down a couple of hours ago. what can we expect from the visit? so, this is not a fully fledged a state visit. in fact, it is only a fleeting one but president biden will be hoping to cram a lot into a short
ukraine, that was to break nato. he was confident in my view, and many in the intelligence community, he was confident he could break nato. holding nato is critical. i don't think there's unanimity in nato about whether or not to bring ukraine into the nato family now. at this moment. in the middle of a war. for example, if you did th, you know, and i mean what i say, we're detd to commit every inch of tritory that is nato territory. as atment that we've all made no matter what. if the war is going on, then we're all in the war, you know, we're at war with russia if that were the case. >> cnn's clare sebastian live for us in london. clare, on this issue of ukraine, of course we know where it is with cnn's erin barnett.
world, i'm bianca nobilo live from london. our max foster is out on assignment, just ahead on "cnn newsroom." >> the president is hoping the nato alliance can more demonstrate the unity with ukraine. >> i don't think there's unanimity in nato about whether or not to bring ukraine into the nato family now. it's up to my knees! >> i know. >> this is a 1 in 1,000-year rainfall for that spot. spending is a top priority for congress when they return this week. >> hopefully, we can have a bipartisan agreement and the that avoids the shutdown. live from london, this is "cnn newsroom" with max foster and bianca nobilo. it is monday, july the 10th. 4:00 a.m. in washington, 9:00 a.m. here in london where u.s. president joe biden is expected today at 10 downing street to
here's abc's foreign correspondent james longman in ukraine. >> reporter: tonight, president biden arriving in london ahead of that nato summit in lithuania after saying he does not currently support ukraine joining the alliance. >> i don't think it's ready for membership in nato. i don't think there's unanimity in nato about whether or not to bring ukraine into the nato family now at this moment in the middle of a war. >> reporter: and despite growing international criticism, the biden administration is tonight defending its controversial decision to provide ukraine with cluster munitions. >> we are trying to ramp up our production of the kind of artillery shells that they're using most, but that production rate is still not where we want it to be, so we're going to see these additional artillery shells that have cluster bomblets in them to help bridge the gap as we ramp up production. >> reporter: and ukraine says it needs that help now. its counteroffensive is grinding on in the east but moving slower