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it's not a manhood issue. this is a national security issue. don't let your pride get ahead of wise policy here. >> this is a guy who worked in very key positions in national security under president bush and president obama. what do you make of that? >> this administration has been very interesting. i don't think you can fault the administration for trying to change the game when it comes to north korea. three successive strags that have come before this one tried all sorts of carrots and sticks, all sorts of diplomatic efforts, none of which has worked. and it's one of the reasons why we're now in the position that we're in. >> what hayden is saying -- >> right. >> he's worried about pride get nth w ing in the way here. is it a legitimate concern? >> of course it is. with president trump there's always the issue of who is the alpha male. that seems important to him. with the administration, it seems to be anyway sense -- like a two-headed operation here.
not want the report to come out. >> all right. joining us now from washington, republican kate obenshain, from tucson, arizona, kirsten powers, the democrat and fox news analyst. so, i understand what hayden is saying about getting emotional over alleged torture, kirsten. i don't think it applies just to women. i think a lot of men get emotional, too. and if you do get emotional about it, you can't really file an accurate, unbiased report, can you? >> well, where is the evidence that she is emotional? she has an opinion on it. that doesn't mean it's emotional. he is ascribing, you know, her intentions or whatever is coming from behind her view as to being emotional. i'm sorry, bill, i don't see him. i would not see him saying that about a male in her exact same position. i just don't think that he would say that. >> all right. well, i don't know mr. hayden so i don't know whether he would or would not. this is a david ignatius column, kate, who basically
not want the report to come out. >> all right. joining us now from washington, republican kate obenshain, from tucson, arizona, kirsten powers, the democrat and fox news analyst. so, i understand what hayden is saying about getting emotional over alleged torture, kirsten. i don't think it applies just to women. i think a lot of men get emotional, too. and if you do get emotional about it, you can't really file an accurate, unbiased report, can you? >> well, where is the evidence that she is emotional? she has an opinion on it. that doesn't mean it's emotional. he is ascribing, you know, her intentions or whatever is coming from behind her view as to being emotional. i'm sorry, bill, i don't see him. i would not see him saying that about a male in her exact same position. i just don't think that he would say that. >> all right. well, i don't know mr. hayden so i don't know whether he would or would not. this is a david ignatius column, kate, who basically
he supports the president. after an hour and a half he didn't like what he was saying about the president, what hayden was saying about the president. so he said he was a little bit fed up and started tweeting. hayden pushed back saying he wasn't criticizing the president but matsy in an interview just a short time ago said this about that. >> there was a very direct criticism he made which is he joked about the president insisting on using a blackberry after he came into office. he was implying that the administration should have known we're eavesdropping on all these foreign leaders because we told him this blackberry device is not secure. we're going to try to protect your communications. so the comments about the black berrill were the most clear thing to me. >> and matzzie said to me that he felt hayden's comments were undignified and inappropriate. those were the words he used. he believes hayden was borrow aring on decades of his own credibility in order to bash the
leaders, and their contact information came from another u.s. government official. president obama assured angela merkel early this week, ironically over the phone that the u.s. was not currently monitoring her calls. merkel said soothing words would not be enough that true change was necessary. this is unbelievable. u.s. officials are alerting other countries and intelligence services details of their secret cooperation with the u.s. have been obtained by snowden. meanwhile a former nsa head found himself being monitored on the phone in public. michael hayden was loudly bashing the obama administration in an interview on background while on the acela. has that ever happened to you? tom massy tweeted much of what hayden was saying including he asked to be referred to as a former senior administration
killing. if they really believe that none of this was, it was all illegal, they don't they do what hayden suggested and throw away the evidence and intel stream? >> brian: enhanced interrogation, you have to give it to the experts. the c.i.a. doesn't get up in the morning and think let's torture somebody today. no, you know what their goal is? to make sure none of us die. we don't to explode or plains going through buildings. they got on the line and said am i allowed to do this? they are. they did it. >> eric: john yew is tremendous. great guest. >> brian: he cannot be out debated on this. they piece it together to take down major guy after major guy. >> bob: the best interrogators in the f.b.i. who will say to you that water boarding is a lousy form of getting intelligence. you can't trust it.
killing. if they really believe that none of this was, it was all illegal, they don't they do what hayden suggested and throw away the evidence and intel stream? >> brian: enhanced interrogation, you have to give it to the experts. the c.i.a. doesn't get up in the morning and think let's torture somebody today. no, you know what their goal is? to make sure none of us die. we don't to explode or plains going through buildings. they got on the line and said am i allowed to do this? they are. they did it. >> eric: john yew is tremendous. great guest. >> brian: he cannot be out debated on this. they piece it together to take down major guy after major guy. >> bob: the best interrogators in the f.b.i. who will say to you that water boarding is a lousy form of getting intelligence. you can't trust it.