consequence of that would be a firmer, more economically damaging lockdown in the future and as a trained economist, the second round impact of a decision is what economics is all about and i can get them to see, it was deeply frustrating, it was against the economic interest and as well as against the health interest to avoid the action that was necessary. the prime minister saw it as both, and he felt very keenly, the instincts on both sides. in he felt very keenly, the instincts on both sides.— he felt very keenly, the instincts on both sides. , ., ., on both sides. in your book, for the 20 26th of — on both sides. in your book, for the 20 26th of august, _ on both sides. in your book, for the 20 26th of august, it _ on both sides. in your book, for the 20 26th of august, it reports - on both sides. in your book, for the 20 26th of august, it reports to - on both sides. in your book, for the 20 26th of august, it reports to be | 20 26th of august, it reports to be a diary— 20 26th of august, it reports to be a diary entry— 20 26th of august, it reports to be a diary entry but— 20 26th of august, it reports to be a diary entry but we _ 20 26th of august, it reports to be a diary entry but we now— 20 26th of august, it reports to be a diary entry but we now know - 20 26th of august, it reports to be i a diary entry but we now know these are hot— a diary entry but we now know these are hot diery— a diary entry but we now know these are not diary entries. _ a diary entry but we now know these are not diary entries. [— a diary entry but we now know these are not diary entries.— are not diary entries. i was clear when i published _ are not diary entries. i was clear when i published it. _ are not diary entries. i was clear when i published it. from - are not diary entries. i was clear when i published it. from all. are not diary entries. i was clear| when i published it. from all our efforts to avoid _ when i published it. from all our efforts to avoid chaotic - when i published it. from all our efforts to avoid chaotic lurching, i efforts to avoid chaotic lurching, the prime — efforts to avoid chaotic lurching, the prime minister— efforts to avoid chaotic lurching, the prime minister has - efforts to avoid chaotic lurching, the prime minister has veered . efforts to avoid chaotic lurching, l the prime minister has veered off. do you _ the prime minister has veered off. do you recall — the prime minister has veered off. do you recall writing _ the prime minister has veered off. do you recall writing that - the prime minister has veered off. do you recall writing that in - the prime minister has veered off. do you recall writing that in your. do you recall writing that in your book? _ do you recall writing that in your book? [— do you recall writing that in your book? ., do you recall writing that in your book? o so do you recall writing that in your book?- so your— do you recall writing that in your book? ido. so your answer- do you recall writing that in your book? i do. so your answer to l do you recall writing that in your. book? i do. so your answer to the ruestion book? i do. so your answer to the question i — book? i do. so your answer to the question i put— book? i do. so your answer to the question i put which _ book?“ so your answer to the question i put which was - book?“ so your answer to the question i put which was that - book?“ so your answer to the question i put which was that the i question i put which was that the prime _ question i put which was that the prime minister— question i put which was that the prime minister take _ question i put which was that the prime minister take a _ question i put which was that the prime minister take a consistent| prime minister take a consistent line is— prime minister take a consistent line is not— prime minister take a consistent line is not that _ prime minister take a consistent line is not that he _ prime minister take a consistent line is not that he was _ prime minister take a consistent line is not that he was consciousl prime minister take a consistent. line is not that he was conscious of the debate — line is not that he was conscious of the debate both— line is not that he was conscious of the debate both sides, _ line is not that he was conscious of the debate both sides, but - line is not that he was conscious of the debate both sides, but that- line is not that he was conscious of| the debate both sides, but that you used your— the debate both sides, but that you used your efforts _ the debate both sides, but that you used your efforts as _ the debate both sides, but that you used your efforts as well— the debate both sides, but that you used your efforts as well as - the debate both sides, but that you used your efforts as well as the - used your efforts as well as the efforts— used your efforts as well as the efforts of— used your efforts as well as the efforts of others _ used your efforts as well as the efforts of others to _ used your efforts as well as the efforts of others to avoid - used your efforts as well as the l efforts of others to avoid chaotic turching — efforts of others to avoid chaotic turching on— efforts of others to avoid chaotic lurching on his _ efforts of others to avoid chaotic lurching on his part— efforts of others to avoid chaotic lurching on his part and - efforts of others to avoid chaotic lurching on his part and the - efforts of others to avoid chaotic| lurching on his part and the clear impression — lurching on his part and the clear impression you _ lurching on his part and the clear impression you give _ lurching on his part and the clear impression you give in _ lurching on his part and the clear impression you give in your - lurching on his part and the clear impression you give in your owni impression you give in your own book, _ impression you give in your own book. mr— impression you give in your own book, mr hancock, _ impression you give in your own book, mr hancock, is _ impression you give in your own book, mr hancock, is that - impression you give in your own book, mr hancock, is that yet . impression you give in your own - book, mr hancock, is that yet again he had _ book, mr hancock, is that yet again he had veered — book, mr hancock, is that yet again he had veered off. _ book, mr hancock, is that yet again he had veered off.— he had veered off. what period are we talkin: he had veered off. what period are we talking about? _ he had veered off. what period are we talking about? 26th _ he had veered off. what period are we talking about? 26th of- he had veered off. what period are we talking about? 26th of august. | we talking about? 26th of august. late august _ we talking about? 26th of august. late august was _ we talking about? 26th of august. late august was frustrating - we talking about? 26th of august. l late august was frustrating because in july, the late august was frustrating because injuly, the prime minister was actually concerned that there was a second wave and it was reflected in the various communications and then came back from holiday and was much more concerned with are not locking down and i found that a problem. they are your words. chaotic, turchind _ they are your words. chaotic, lurching. that's— they are your words. chaotic, lurching. that's not— they are your words. chaotic, lurching. that's not entirely. lurching. that's not entirely similar— lurching. that's not entirely similar to _ lurching. that's not entirely similar to suggesting - lurching. that's not entirely similar to suggesting that l lurching. that's not entirelyl similar to suggesting that he lurching. that's not entirely- similar to suggesting that he was reasonably— similar to suggesting that he was reasonably and _ similar to suggesting that he was reasonably and sensibly- similar to suggesting that he was reasonably and sensibly taking i similar to suggesting that he was reasonably and sensibly taking a i reasonably and sensibly taking a different — reasonably and sensibly taking a different view _ reasonably and sensibly taking a different view in _ reasonably and sensibly taking a different view in light _ reasonably and sensibly taking a different view in light of - reasonably and sensibly taking a different view in light of new- different view in light of new information— different view in light of new information or— different view in light of new information or scientific- different view in light of new. information or scientific advice. different view in light of new- information or scientific advice. is it? ., ' , ., it? there are different degrees of diloma it? there are different degrees of diplomacy with — it? there are different degrees of diplomacy with which _ it? there are different degrees of diplomacy with which you - it? there are different degrees of diplomacy with which you can - it? there are different degrees of. diplomacy with which you can answer to the same question. in september, as ou to the same question. in september, as you have — to the same question. in september, as you have indicated _ to the same question. in september, as you have indicated and _ to the same question. in september, as you have indicated and as - to the same question. in september, as you have indicated and as your. as you have indicated and as your statement — as you have indicated and as your statement makes _ as you have indicated and as your statement makes plain, - as you have indicated and as your statement makes plain, the - as you have indicated and as your statement makes plain, the data| statement makes plain, the data shows _ statement makes plain, the data shows that — statement makes plain, the data shows that infection _ statement makes plain, the data shows that infection rates - statement makes plain, the data shows that infection rates were i shows that infection rates were going _ shows that infection rates were going up— shows that infection rates were going up and _ shows that infection rates were going up and in— shows that infection rates were going up and in a— shows that infection rates were going up and in a very- shows that infection rates were going up and in a very broad i shows that infection rates were - going up and in a very broad sense, the country— going up and in a very broad sense, the country was _ going up and in a very broad sense, the country was faced _ going up and in a very broad sense, the country was faced with - going up and in a very broad sense, the country was faced with a - the country was faced with a scenario— the country was faced with a scenario similar— the country was faced with a scenario similar to— the country was faced with a scenario similar to that - the country was faced with a i scenario similar to that facing the country was faced with a - scenario similar to that facing the end of— scenario similar to that facing the end of february, _ scenario similar to that facing the end of february, that's _ scenario similar to that facing the end of february, that's what - scenario similar to that facing the end of february, that's what youi end of february, that's what you suggest — end of february, that's what you suggest in — end of february, that's what you suggest in your— end of february, that's what you suggest in your statement. - end of february, that's what you suggest in your statement. yes.�* suggest in your statement. yes. actuall , suggest in your statement. yes. actually, case — suggest in your statement. yes. actually, case rates _ suggest in your statement. yes. actually, case rates were - suggest in your statement.“ actually, case rates were higher than at the end of february. that was our than at the end of february. that was your assessment, _ than at the end of february. that was your assessment, you said similar— was your assessment, you said similar to — was your assessment, you said similar to the _ was your assessment, you said similar to the end _ was your assessment, you said similar to the end of— was your assessment, you said similar to the end of february. was your assessment, you said . similar to the end of february full stop what. — similar to the end of february full stop what. in— similar to the end of february full stop what, in general— similar to the end of february full stop what, in general terms, - similar to the end of february full stop what, in general terms, as l stop what, in general terms, as secretary— stop what, in general terms, as secretary of _ stop what, in general terms, as secretary of state, _ stop what, in general terms, as secretary of state, was - stop what, in general terms, as secretary of state, was your. secretary of state, was your position _ secretary of state, was your position in _ secretary of state, was your position in september? - secretary of state, was youri position in september? were secretary of state, was your- position in september? were you arguing _ position in september? were you arguing for. — position in september? were you arguing for. at— position in september? were you arguing for, at that _ position in september? were you arguing for, at that early - position in september? were you arguing for, at that early stage, i arguing for, at that early stage, circuit— arguing for, at that early stage, circuit breaker, _ arguing for, at that early stage, circuit breaker, which _ arguing for, at that early stage, circuit breaker, which is - arguing for, at that early stage, circuit breaker, which is a - arguing for, at that early stage, circuit breaker, which is a short| circuit breaker, which is a short lockdown, _ circuit breaker, which is a short lockdown, if— circuit breaker, which is a short lockdown, if you _ circuit breaker, which is a short lockdown, if you like. - circuit breaker, which is a short lockdown, if you like. 0r- circuit breaker, which is a short lockdown, if you like. or a - circuit breaker, which is a short. lockdown, if you like. or a longer national— lockdown, if you like. or a longer national lockdown? _ lockdown, if you like. or a longer national lockdown? where - lockdown, if you like. or a longer national lockdown? where you i lockdown, if you like. or a longer- national lockdown? where you calling for better— national lockdown? where you calling for better implementation _ national lockdown? where you calling for better implementation of- national lockdown? where you calling for better implementation of local - for better implementation of local restrictions— for better implementation of local restrictions or— for better implementation of local restrictions or perhaps _ for better implementation of local restrictions or perhaps beefed - for better implementation of local restrictions or perhaps beefed upi restrictions or perhaps beefed up rules— restrictions or perhaps beefed up rules of— restrictions or perhaps beefed up rules of six. _ restrictions or perhaps beefed up rules of six, or— restrictions or perhaps beefed up rules of six, or whatever- restrictions or perhaps beefed up rules of six, or whatever to - restrictions or perhaps beefed up| rules of six, or whatever to about what _ rules of six, or whatever to about what was — rules of six, or whatever to about what was your _ rules of six, or whatever to about what was your position? - rules of six, or whatever to about what was your position? my - rules of six, or whatever to about what was your position? my position was to argue — what was your position? my position was to argue for _ what was your position? my position was to argue for stronger _ what was your position? my position was to argue for stronger lockdown l was to argue for stronger lockdown is and a tier system with a stronger top tier and ifirst is and a tier system with a stronger top tier and i first put that forward at the end of august, to my own team, we worked it up and took it in the middle of september and it was very frustrating that it took a month to get a policy in place. it was even more frustrating that the top tier was not enough to get set below one. and therefore it wasn't effective for the task. —— r below one. where national measures like the raw sex will propose, i was enthusiastic. —— rule of six. infill enthusiastic. -- rule of six. will aet into enthusiastic. -- rule of six. will get into the _ enthusiastic. -- rule of six. will get into the detail, _ enthusiastic. —— rule of six. will get into the detail, spy ammo, on the 16th _ get into the detail, spy ammo, on the 16th september, _ get into the detail, spy ammo, on the 16th september, mated - get into the detail, spy ammo, on the 16th september, mated a - get into the detail, spy ammo, on - the 16th september, mated a planned circuit— the 16th september, mated a planned circuit breaker. _ the16th september, mated a planned circuit breaker. [— the 16th september, mated a planned circuit breaker.— circuit breaker. i didn't answer on the circuit — circuit breaker. i didn't answer on the circuit breaker. _ circuit breaker. i didn't answer on the circuit breaker. on _ circuit breaker. i didn't answer on the circuit breaker. on the - circuit breaker. i didn't answer on the circuit breaker. on the 17th i the circuit breaker. on the 17th september. — the circuit breaker. on the 17th september, sage _ the circuit breaker. on the 17th september, sage recommends the circuit breaker. on the 17th i september, sage recommends a the circuit breaker. on the 17th - september, sage recommends a circuit breaker— september, sage recommends a circuit breaker and _ september, sage recommends a circuit breaker and you — september, sage recommends a circuit breaker and you will— september, sage recommends a circuit breaker and you will recall— september, sage recommends a circuit breaker and you will recall that - september, sage recommends a circuit breaker and you will recall that the - breaker and you will recall that the covid _ breaker and you will recall that the covid task— breaker and you will recall that the covid task force _ breaker and you will recall that the covid task force on _ breaker and you will recall that the covid task force on the _ breaker and you will recall that the covid task force on the 19th - covid task force on the 19th september, _ covid task force on the 19th september, i'm— covid task force on the 19th september, i'm sure - covid task force on the 19th september, i'm sure you i covid task force on the 19th. september, i'm sure you will remember, _ september, i'm sure you will remember, was— september, i'm sure you will remember, was put - september, i'm sure you will remember, was put forward i september, i'm sure you will. remember, was put forward the september, i'm sure you will- remember, was put forward the prime minister. _ remember, was put forward the prime minister. a _ remember, was put forward the prime minister, a number— remember, was put forward the prime minister, a number of— remember, was put forward the prime minister, a number of different- minister, a number of different measures. _ minister, a number of different measures, package _ minister, a number of different measures, package a, - minister, a number of differenti measures, package a, package minister, a number of different. measures, package a, package b, package— measures, package a, package b, package c— measures, package a, package b, package c and _ measures, package a, package b, package c and a _ measures, package a, package b, package c and a circuit _ measures, package a, package b, package c and a circuit breaker. . package c and a circuit breaker. where — package c and a circuit breaker. where were _ package c and a circuit breaker. where were you _ package c and a circuit breaker. where were you between - package c and a circuit brea